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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2024 14:28:14 GMT -5
i am watching a 5 part HBO series on OJ Simpson right now.
i encourage everyone here to watch it. i remember my reaction to that trial- that everyone felt it was a miscarriage of justice. but this is a case that was determined by getting the best possible jury for the defendant. but the inherent bias among OJ's supporters** was a serious problem that was not addressed by the prosecution. we shall hope that in THIS case, that is properly addressed.
fortunately, that will NOT be the case in Trump's trial. as much as i dislike the bias of a couple of the jurors, the best that Trump can hope for is a hung jury. and i would contend, based on the defense so far, that is PRECISELY what they are shooting for.
**the reason i encourage everyone here to watch it is that the biases present in this trial are very similar to MAGA. you will see what i mean if/when you watch it. celebrity does something to the mind of the public. it makes them incapable, in many cases, of finding fault in a person, no matter what their misconduct.
then there is Bill Cosby.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2024 13:11:06 GMT -5
thought experiment for everyone:
if a politician can ONLY be tried by those of his own party, what kind of a result do you think one could expect?
i would not expect a prosecution OR a defense to be impartial to the accused. on the contrary. i would expect them to be extremely biased. that leaves the jury and the judge.
Trump is doing his best to make Merchant seem like a flaming lib, but he pretty clearly isn't. in fact, he is far too conservative for my tastes, which probably means he has it about right.
likewise for the jury. there are at least a couple of Trump fans on it, as given by their media diet(s). and since Trump only needs ONE to stand up for him, i would say that he has the advantage, there, as well.
finally, this is the least solid of the four cases.
so, if there is some vast Democratic conspiracy to repel the electorate, this is probably the worst outcome that they could have had: the SCOTUS is debating a bunch of questions that have about as much legitimacy as the Chinese Government, and the best that the four "Democrat" judges could do to reign in Trump is fine him $9000.
on that basis, i am not sure how you expect me to take that argument seriously.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2024 12:42:29 GMT -5
first of all, that post is not about what he DID. it is about what he will DO. second of all, you already stated that you will leave what he DID up to the courts. i took you at your word. as to the rest of the statement, i am even more horrified than i was with your original post. i think it best we end that part of the discussion for now, while i still appreciate you as a person. I will leave it up to the courts that's doesn't mean I think he should even be there. All this is a sham just to stop him from becoming president again. I read your post of globalism I find all that kum by ya stuff sickening. you have asserted otherwise, previously. even on this thread. you have stated it makes him MORE likely to become president. and that might be true. i might also point out that this would require far more coordination among democrats than they have. they are not as clever or powerful as that, scgal. in fact, they are a bunch of kutzs. globalism is not kum-bay-yah for me. it is a logical conclusion. we have global problems. there are only two ways to solve them: 1) take over everything 2) work with others. agree or disagree?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2024 12:34:41 GMT -5
i will take COPJ again.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2024 12:31:13 GMT -5
what the actual hell, guys. you would celebrate a guy circumventing the constitution and the rule of law? it is not CONSERVATIVE to wish for the destruction of our democratic institutions. it is something else. you can't be serious. you HAVE to be trolling. or not reading. which is it? you guys, and probably 30M other Americans, are really scaring me. They believe the constitution only protects them. They don’t care if others are impacted negatively. Anyone or anything they are against is fair game, the constitution be damned this reminds me of contract law between averse parties. i have done that before. it usually requires a mediator.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2024 12:26:20 GMT -5
disclosure:
i think that nationalism had a place until about 100 years ago, when we developed ICBMs and started impacting the entire world. since then, i have concluded that the only way we survive as a species is to work together GLOBALLY to solve problems.
i am not even a trans-nationalist. i think that alliances between a FEW nations are no better than one. i am a globalist.
does that mean i don't care about immigration? of course not. i have stated my position on the board. it gives SOME businesses unfair advantage over others. those business should be fined to the extent they benefit. that would pay for the "cost of immigration", which is about $50B per year. if there are 11M "illegals", that means that we should fine every business at least $5,000 per violation for hiring them. i am very confident that would take care of the problem.
i don't want a lecture from you about nationalism, and i won't lecture you about globalism. i will however add one last comment:
i find nationalism terrifying. i am sure you feel the same way about globalism. that is not very hopeful, and does not make for good discussion.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 4, 2024 12:19:29 GMT -5
what the actual hell, guys. you would celebrate a guy circumventing the constitution and the rule of law? it is not CONSERVATIVE to wish for the destruction of our democratic institutions. it is something else. you can't be serious. you HAVE to be trolling. or not reading. which is it? you guys, and probably 30M other Americans, are really scaring me. The rub is he did not circumvent the constitution or the rule of law. I'm sure after these last 4 years there is going to be millions more. I don't want Trump there because I don't think he can get enough of it done but that is what we need a true nationalist president. One that will start to reshape this country the way it was intended to be. USA number 1. No exceptions first of all, that post is not about what he DID. it is about what he will DO. second of all, you already stated that you will leave what he DID up to the courts. i took you at your word. as to the rest of the statement, i am even more horrified than i was with your original post. i think it best we end that part of the discussion for now, while i still appreciate you as a person.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 3, 2024 16:24:40 GMT -5
If he could get it all done it would be wonderful. This country will be where it should have been all along. Amen scgal. As the only other conservative on this board my sentiments exactly. what the actual hell, guys. you would celebrate a guy circumventing the constitution and the rule of law? it is not CONSERVATIVE to wish for the destruction of our democratic institutions. it is something else. you can't be serious. you HAVE to be trolling. or not reading. which is it? you guys, and probably 30M other Americans, are really scaring me.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 3, 2024 16:19:08 GMT -5
His cult won't care. Trump will just whine about it and use it as a fundraising opportunity. Idiots will send him much more than that minor fine. The trial is just making a martyr out of him to his diehard fans. again, i don't care. his diehard fans are not the portion of the electorate that matter to me. they are immovable.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 3, 2024 16:16:54 GMT -5
i would not save MAGA Mike, unless he agrees to certify the election. maybe even then. he is a treat to the republic.
question: why would it NOT be easier for Democrats to scalp off a pair of Republicans than for Republicans to scalp off over a dozen Democrats?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 3, 2024 16:14:14 GMT -5
speaking personally, in manufacturing, we can't have people working from home. service industry? i could not really say.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2024 17:50:26 GMT -5
i don't give a fuck about his cult. what i care about is those that are along for the ride, but are far more lucid. they will care. They should care - but a lot of the go-along to get-along people won’t. that's not what they are saying. but maybe they are liars, like the guy they voted for.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 2, 2024 12:10:26 GMT -5
Apparently, trump has now been convicted of criminal contempt of court by the judge. The $9,000 is the fine for the criminal contempt of court conviction. First time a president, past or present, has been convicted of a crime. His cult won't care. Trump will just whine about it and use it as a fundraising opportunity. Idiots will send him much more than that minor fine. i don't give a fuck about his cult. what i care about is those that are along for the ride, but are far more lucid. they will care.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 30, 2024 10:51:51 GMT -5
My husband reiterated the news story to me, and then told me that he didn’t think shooting a dog because he wasn’t a good hunter was a big deal. We spent a couple grand a few years back to save a stray kitten - on the behest of my husband. Ya, but….. He told me his thoughts about shooting a dog were theoretical, and he might change his mind if the dog were real. listen. i hate dogs. ok? hate. i was bit in the face when i was 4 years old. it left me with lifetime trauma and fear of dogs. in 2015 i had an epiphany about this. i realized that dogs, people, all creatures really, sometimes don't recognize, due to their trauma, the difference between playful and aggressive and dangerous. and since that time, my feelings about dogs and other creatures has shifted dramatically. i now realize that if you just give animals (people are animals too) enough room, they are fine with you, for the most part. they don't give one actual fuck. as soon as you get inside their comfort zone, however, all bets are off. you can get trampled by a moose, for example. a cat might bite you. a dog might snarl. i could no more shoot a dog in the face than i could shoot a human, now. but i was not always that way.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 30, 2024 9:39:25 GMT -5
i want to take a moment to point out that we are talking about these protests EXACTLY the way we talked about the VietNam war during the time they happened. by the time i was in high school, we had a slightly different perspective on those protests.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 30, 2024 9:24:56 GMT -5
There would be some irony if the judges who decided it was constitutional for a President to kill people, were then killed for deciding that. 🤔 My understanding is they will send it back down to the lower court. Then, I believe there will not be a final ruling in this case until after the election, so that if Biden tried to take advantage of such a ruling, they could turn around and say it is unconstitutional. my understanding is that they are going to dither away the next two months pretending to discuss it, and THEN send it to the lower court. they are very conscious of what they are doing. they are killing the case for Trump. it is disgusting. every American should be ashamed.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 30, 2024 9:22:00 GMT -5
Trump fined $9000 for violating gag order. Want to bet we see a storm of social media posts that will require another contempt hearing? Maybe he can get to $100k maybe he can get to 100 hours!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 30, 2024 9:20:40 GMT -5
I did search and found that one but it wasn't (old school) "above the fold", not even front page news. A bunch of snot nosed college kids have knocked Trump from the headlines and can't imagine he is happy about it. He's not. Trump says 4 words about anti-Israel protests on college campuses as arrests skyrocketFormer President Trump's post came as the number of students and antisemitic agitators arrested has approached 900 since April 18 "Stop the protests now!!!" Trump said in an all-caps post. linkIn another article I read, trump said the war between Israel and HAMAS/Gaza would never have occurred if he was president. Never says how he would have prevented it. Much like his promise of good health care replacement and Mexico paying for the border wall. Never materialized when he was in office. really? he was in a position to stop October 7th? that makes him responsible for it, doesn't it?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 19:29:16 GMT -5
That is it exactly not so sure. if it is true, then this election year will be nervewrackingly close. if it is NOT TRUE, it will be a blowout. i know it is hard to think about the future. so much is unpredictable in life. but imagine a world where "presidential candidate" and "convicted felon" are in the same sentence. imagine a world where people get to talk about the verdict, and how it was arrived at, and why. imagine a world where the caustic truth erodes away at the golden idol. that is what 2024 looks like, in my crystal ball. the great thing about the court system is that EVENTUALLY it gets it right. whether that happens in time remains to be seen.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 19:13:18 GMT -5
surprised by that. copper equities had a VERY bad opening this week. when i looked this AM, they were down nearly 2% (after being briefly up 1%). and that all happened in the first hour!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 13:34:18 GMT -5
again, not my point. mine was more general. you can't be against regulating ARMS in this country, and agree with the current policy. THAT is my point. I see it as if I can afford to buy it I can have it. Including a rocket launcher, bazooka, anything that fires a projectile. Now if you want to regulate on where I can use it fine, but as far as owning it, it all falls under the 2a. consistent position. thank you!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 13:32:54 GMT -5
As I said above, I would side with Biden if the roles were reversed and faced malicious prosecution. If it’s so easy to create a malicious prosecution case that they have so many against Trump, why hasn’t the GOP been able to fabricate a case against Biden or Hunter and the criminal Biden syndicate? Not a single one? And how is it Georgia, usually a very red state, allow a case against Trump, if these are so easy to manipulate? There has to be a majority GOP slant in their state DOJ. And why did usually red Arizona file cases against the fake Trump electors, but not against all the hundreds of thousands of fake votes the Dems must have cast in 2020? trump has lost in court something like 65 times in the last four years, and won ONCE. which is most likely: a) that the entire deep state is rigged against him OR b) that he is a fucking loser, and a criminal? when will the Kool-Aid community switch to water?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 9:36:48 GMT -5
not really. here is my point. the pro-gun community makes it seem like ARMS can't be regulated. but they can! they ARE, in fact. guns have to be tested to ensure they are not a liability to owners. you can't own, as an example, a bazooka, or a ballistic cannon, or nuclear arms. however, those are ALL arms, as i read the second amendment. so, these folks that make the case that the "government can't restrict arms" are forgetting about the fact that they can only own about 1% of all ARMS, already. so what does that statement even mean? we can't regulate the guns that are not already regulated? what about NEW guns that have been developed in the last 225 years? who gets to decide that? i just don't think the argument really works, but nobody bothers to debate it. they just IGNORE the fact that arms are already highly regulated. regulating them MORE is trivial, not "unconstitutional". They are highly regulated, and there are laws on the books. So what sense does it make to pass more legislation, when the legislation that is already in place is not followed? This is the problem I have. Let’s see what happens when the laws already on the books are followed. This guy’s gun should have been confiscated with the protective order. Why wasn’t it? Where is the breakdown in the system? again, not my point. mine was more general. you can't be against regulating ARMS in this country, and agree with the current policy. THAT is my point.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 1:15:16 GMT -5
as a second aside, i don't believe in good and evil. i believe in good-evil. we all operate on a continuum from the kindest most gentle person alive to Jeffrey Dahmer. i am sure that even the kindest person alive has flaws, and Dahmer probably has some redeeming qualities. not that i would care to examine either. it is not that important.
as i have said before, i am comfortable with the grey. regulating 99.1% of firearms is not terribly different than regulating 99%. sure, people will scream about it. why should i care?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 1:12:11 GMT -5
The absolutes. All or nothing. Good or bad. 🙄 reducio ad absurdum tests the LIMITS of a debate. i happen to think that it is a great technique. it is also logically valid. here is my point. the pro-gun community makes it seem like ARMS can't be regulated. but they can! they ARE, in fact. guns have to be tested to ensure they are not a liability to owners. you can't own, as an example, a bazooka, or a ballistic cannon, or nuclear arms. however, those are ALL arms, as i read the second amendment. so, these folks that make the case that the "government can't restrict arms" are forgetting about the fact that they can only own about 1% of all ARMS, already. so what does that statement even mean? we can't regulate the guns that are not already regulated? what about NEW guns that have been developed in the last 225 years? who gets to decide that? i just don't think the argument really works, but nobody bothers to debate it. they just IGNORE the fact that arms are already highly regulated. regulating them MORE is trivial, not "unconstitutional".
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 1:06:08 GMT -5
thought he was the Moose Whisperer.
ended up being the Moose Screamer.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 29, 2024 0:23:28 GMT -5
I should and I will, because it's my right and I can? Hmm i like the reducio ad absurdum argument on this. either i am permitted by the constitution to own ALL arms (it doesn't specify what kind in the constitution) or ALL arms must be regulated. there is no in-between. if you think it is the former, i want anti-aircraft missiles. i have the right to own them, by the constitution. if it is the latter, then anything i own must be approved by the government. period. this conversation gets stupid when we don't recognize the reality of it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2024 23:58:50 GMT -5
that tub of lard. he is so fucking out of shape, i could take him easily, even though he probably outweighs me by close to 75 lbs.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2024 15:33:02 GMT -5
congrats! they are only trailing NPR by 75% now! a whole 2M viewers a week, approximately 1.5% of the voting population!!! WOW!!!! (sarcasm off) FOX is the #1 among Cable News. that makes them the Keuffel & Esser of news media. if you don't know that name, look it up. You got me on that one. What does slide rules have to do with Fox News being #1 in cable news? cable news is going the way of wooden teeth and slide rules, rip. you know that, right?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 28, 2024 15:32:15 GMT -5
Cheer up Rip - if the Supreme Court sides with Trump and says it is legal for a President to do anything as long as it is for the good of the country - Biden can have Trump murdered and the Don won’t have any legal troubles - and neither will Biden. bingo!!!! give the woman a quepie doll!
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