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Post by chiver78 on Sept 21, 2023 18:42:26 GMT -5
Again. HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED OR DETAINED! He absolutely should have been detained. Then once he was uncooperative he should have been arrested. Should he have been killed NO. why should he have been detained and not simply questioned? serious question, with what the officers have testified that they knew at the time. wow. |
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Sept 21, 2023 19:31:51 GMT -5
Again. HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED OR DETAINED! He absolutely should have been detained. Then once he was uncooperative he should have been arrested. Should he have been killed NO. Here’s the thing about police brutality and racism….. a POC can be fully cooperative and still be killed. I have watched numerous videos of white men running from police, jumping in the officers cars and trying to run them over, and doing all sorts of crazy things, and not 1 shot was fired while the police officers ran around trying to catch them. Meanwhile, I had to teach my son how to appear to be as non threatening as possible if he ever had to interact with the police. My son got pulled over for speeding, in the middle of nowhere late at night, somewhere in Texas, on his way back home after visiting me, and he called me and woke me up, because he was nervous. My son is not afraid of much, but he’s a Black man, and he knew that was a potentially bad situation even though his only crime was speeding, so he called me in the middle of the night, so I could stay on the phone and hear everything that happened while the police searched his luggage and every crook and nanny in his car. I agree 100% that not all LEO are racists, or even just assholes, but how is it okay that my son has seen enough and knows enough, to be fearful that getting pulled over for speeding could’ve cost him his life, just because he is Black. That is not paranoia, that fear is rooted in things that have happened to people that look like him, just because they had the same skin color. It only takes one racist to end a life and traumatize a family and community. I am a black woman born and bred in the south, I have lots of true stories I can tell. And I can also say that it is FACT that cooperating does not necessarily mean that you will live to see another day. And tell me, do you really think a person can really be still, in the name of “cooperation” if they are struggling just to breathe? I’m not a biology student, or a medical doctor, but I do know that the survival instinct is very strong, so I can imagine it’s near impossible to be still when a person’s body is struggling to try to get air to breathe to stay alive. TF?! |
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 21, 2023 21:16:07 GMT -5
Again. HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED OR DETAINED! He absolutely should have been detained. Then once he was uncooperative he should have been arrested. Should he have been killed NO. No, he shouldn't have been. He was not found to have committed any crime. The punishment for passing fake bills should have been a citation and fine. How does one go from written citation to dead? Make that make sense. The officer never should have drawn his weapon. He should have asked him to step out of the car and talk, not point a gun to his face screaming at him. Actually, even though he had him at gunpoint, George was calmly talking to him for a while afterwards and gave him his information. Why could he not have walked him to the store and looked at the bill in question? He was cooperating. If the bill was found to be fake, then we may have had a problem. He didn't do that. He instead called for backup and tried to detain him. He never once tried to calmly handle the situation. I watched that encounter over and over again. George told him that he was scared of the police. Do you think they cared? No, because he's dead. He died being scared and calling for his mother. It all played out on TV and the internet. It never should have happened and the fact that you are trying to rationalize it is disgusting. |
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 21, 2023 21:27:54 GMT -5
He absolutely should have been detained. Then once he was uncooperative he should have been arrested. Should he have been killed NO. Here’s the thing about police brutality and racism….. a POC can be fully cooperative and still be killed. I have watched numerous videos of white men running from police, jumping in the officers cars and trying to run them over, and doing all sorts of crazy things, and not 1 shot was fired while the police officers ran around trying to catch them. Meanwhile, I had to teach my son how to appear to be as non threatening as possible if he ever had to interact with the police. My son got pulled over for speeding, in the middle of nowhere late at night, somewhere in Texas, on his way back home after visiting me, and he called me and woke me up, because he was nervous. My son is not afraid of much, but he’s a Black man, and he knew that was a potentially bad situation even though his only crime was speeding, so he called me in the middle of the night, so I could stay on the phone and hear everything that happened while the police searched his luggage and every crook and nanny in his car. I agree 100% that not all LEO are racists, or even just assholes, but how is it okay that my son has seen enough and knows enough, to be fearful that getting pulled over for speeding could’ve cost him his life, just because he is Black. That is not paranoia, that fear is rooted in things that have happened to people that look like him, just because they had the same skin color. It only takes one racist to end a life and traumatize a family and community. I am a black woman born and bred in the south, I have lots of true stories I can tell. And I can also say that it is FACT that cooperating does not necessarily mean that you will live to see another day. And tell me, do you really think a person can really be still, in the name of “cooperation” if they are struggling just to breathe? I’m not a biology student, or a medical doctor, but I do know that the survival instinct is very strong, so I can imagine it’s near impossible to be still when a person’s body is struggling to try to get air to breathe to stay alive. TF?! EXACTLY! I've been pulled over for driving around in a white neighborhood at night before. The police literally told me that they pulled me over because the tag on my car wasn't from the county I was in. I did nothing wrong. I had to submit to a field sobriety test and my car was searched. For what?! My crime was driving while brown at night. My nephew is a large brown man. He's been followed by police for being brown in public. He has be taught how to behave in front of a police officer. He's been told that his white friends may pop off but that was not something he's allowed to do. If you are treated unfairly, we can litigate that later. His job is to survive and come home. We can always get a lawyer for the other stuff. There is/was a poster here that has a black sone and a white one. She said she had the same talk with her black son, but not with the white one because she never thought to. It was a long time ago, so I don’t remember the SN. That in and of itself is fucked up. |
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 22, 2023 6:15:38 GMT -5
He absolutely should have been detained. Then once he was uncooperative he should have been arrested. Should he have been killed NO. No, he shouldn't have been. He was not found to have committed any crime. The punishment for passing fake bills should have been a citation and fine. How does one go from written citation to dead? Make that make sense. The officer never should have drawn his weapon. He should have asked him to step out of the car and talk, not point a gun to his face screaming at him. Actually, even though he had him at gunpoint, George was calmly talking to him for a while afterwards and gave him his information. Why could he not have walked him to the store and looked at the bill in question? He was cooperating. If the bill was found to be fake, then we may have had a problem. He didn't do that. He instead called for backup and tried to detain him. He never once tried to calmly handle the situation. I watched that encounter over and over again. George told him that he was scared of the police. Do you think they cared? No, because he's dead. He died being scared and calling for his mother. It all played out on TV and the internet. It never should have happened and the fact that you are trying to rationalize it is disgusting. The smug look on Chauvin's face while he had Floyd down and knew he was being videoed should be telling to anyone that systemic racism is alive and well. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2023 10:22:01 GMT -5
No, he shouldn't have been. He was not found to have committed any crime. The punishment for passing fake bills should have been a citation and fine. How does one go from written citation to dead? Make that make sense. The officer never should have drawn his weapon. He should have asked him to step out of the car and talk, not point a gun to his face screaming at him. Actually, even though he had him at gunpoint, George was calmly talking to him for a while afterwards and gave him his information. Why could he not have walked him to the store and looked at the bill in question? He was cooperating. If the bill was found to be fake, then we may have had a problem. He didn't do that. He instead called for backup and tried to detain him. He never once tried to calmly handle the situation. I watched that encounter over and over again. George told him that he was scared of the police. Do you think they cared? No, because he's dead. He died being scared and calling for his mother. It all played out on TV and the internet. It never should have happened and the fact that you are trying to rationalize it is disgusting. The smug look on Chauvin's face while he had Floyd down and knew he was being videoed should be telling to anyone that systemic racism is alive and well. it was the other two cops standing there watching him kill that man that got me. |
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Post by moon/Laura on Sept 22, 2023 10:33:51 GMT -5
It's so upsetting to hear these stories of "living while Black", yet it's important to hear them as well. But the really sad thing is that people like scgal refuse to understand that this really does happen. They claim to be 'color blind'  when all they really are is just plain old blind - to reality. Their extra strength white privilege prevents them from acknowledging the truth. The rest of us, while also privileged, try our best to acknowledge that there's still (and maybe always will be) a huge problem.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Sept 22, 2023 12:05:58 GMT -5
He absolutely should have been detained. Then once he was uncooperative he should have been arrested. Should he have been killed NO. No, he shouldn't have been. He was not found to have committed any crime. The punishment for passing fake bills should have been a citation and fine. How does one go from written citation to dead? Make that make sense. The officer never should have drawn his weapon. He should have asked him to step out of the car and talk, not point a gun to his face screaming at him. Actually, even though he had him at gunpoint, George was calmly talking to him for a while afterwards and gave him his information. Why could he not have walked him to the store and looked at the bill in question? He was cooperating. If the bill was found to be fake, then we may have had a problem. He didn't do that. He instead called for backup and tried to detain him. He never once tried to calmly handle the situation. I watched that encounter over and over again. George told him that he was scared of the police. Do you think they cared? No, because he's dead. He died being scared and calling for his mother. It all played out on TV and the internet. It never should have happened and the fact that you are trying to rationalize it is disgusting. I still have not watched it. Not once. I can’t. |
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Sept 22, 2023 12:34:41 GMT -5
It's so upsetting to hear these stories of "living while Black", yet it's important to hear them as well. But the really sad thing is that people like scgal refuse to understand that this really does happen. They claim to be 'color blind' when all they really are is just plain old blind - to reality. Their extra strength white privilege prevents them from acknowledging the truth. The rest of us, while also privileged, try our best to acknowledge that there's still (and maybe always will be) a huge problem. I know a white man who has a son with a black woman. The white man, M works a regular job, but his family is wealthy. His family disowned him when his son was born. M is an only child. The only person that would fool with M was his Aunt, who had no children and even she still wouldn’t have anything to do with his black son. So M’s son got a new BMW when he was 16yo. The police pulled him over, searched his car, and even though they didn’t find anything, they handcuffed him and put him in a police car, saying they were taking him to jail. For what, nobody knows. A Black teenager driving an expensive car? He had already called his Mom, who had called M. Mom got there first, police were rude to her, and would not release the son. M arrived a few minutes later, told them he was the young man’s Dad, he wanted to know why his son was being detained and guess what happened…. They said it was a misunderstanding, let the son out of the police car, and get back in his car and drive off. I’ve known M for years, he’s told me himself how racist his family is and that his parents had disowned him. Besides that, and saying he was raised by a black nanny, he didn’t talk about his parents. He did talk about his Aunt though, because she kept a relationship with him. When his Aunt died a few years ago, she left him her fortune. M was a Trump lover, idk if he still is. We tried to tell him that he needed to really think about Trump and cronies, because he has a black son. Idk if the above incident opened his eyes some or not. He turned bright red when we were like “we tried to tell you”, when he told us what had happened with his son. M seems to get along well with Black men, and he is very clearly attracted to Black women. Personally, I think he’s confused and it’s a love/hate thing, so I don’t completely trust him. I Over the years, there have been some clues that make me think he doesn’t WANT to be a racist, but deep down inside, he is one to some degree. I do hope that incident with his son and the police made him really think about what it means for his son, who I do believe he loves, to be a black man in America, after seeing with his own eyes that if he hadn’t shown up with his white skin, his son would’ve gone to jail that day for some made up reason. |
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Post by moon/Laura on Sept 22, 2023 13:11:47 GMT -5
Sadly, I'm not even surprised at the outcome of that story, Pink.
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Post by bean29 on Sept 22, 2023 16:32:10 GMT -5
It's so upsetting to hear these stories of "living while Black", yet it's important to hear them as well. But the really sad thing is that people like scgal refuse to understand that this really does happen. They claim to be 'color blind' when all they really are is just plain old blind - to reality. Their extra strength white privilege prevents them from acknowledging the truth. The rest of us, while also privileged, try our best to acknowledge that there's still (and maybe always will be) a huge problem. I really think they (People like SCGal) are Gasligting us. They truly are Racist. |
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Post by moon/Laura on Sept 22, 2023 18:16:51 GMT -5
Or, if this is scgal's version of "not racist", I'd be horrified to know what IS, in her mind.....
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 22, 2023 20:41:15 GMT -5
Hey. Whats the name of this thread?? Why has it suddenly became a thread on racism. Get back to the original thread.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 22, 2023 21:56:42 GMT -5
Hey. Whats the name of this thread?? Why has it suddenly became a thread on racism. Get back to the original thread. You wrote the below on the The Official 2024 Presidential Thread. Your comment has nothing to do with the 2024 election. As a veteran, I could not believe Biden could disrespect a Medal of Honor recipient at the award ceremony today like he did. He just wandered off before the service was over. The video I saw he looked unimpressed. Disgusting. He's confused old fool. Walked away like a old man with bladder control problems and running to the men's room.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Sept 22, 2023 22:47:03 GMT -5
Hey. Whats the name of this thread?? Why has it suddenly became a thread on racism. Get back to the original thread. You wrote the below on the The Official 2024 Presidential Thread. Your comment has nothing to do with the 2024 election. As a veteran, I could not believe Biden could disrespect a Medal of Honor recipient at the award ceremony today like he did. He just wandered off before the service was over. The video I saw he looked unimpressed. Disgusting. He's confused old fool. Walked away like a old man with bladder control problems and running to the men's room.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 22, 2023 22:53:59 GMT -5
You wrote the below on the The Official 2024 Presidential Thread. Your comment has nothing to do with the 2024 election. I know what I wrote. I don't like him because he's a doddering old fool. You really are clueless. Your comment I quoted above had nothing to do with the 2024 electjon. But here you are complaining about racism being discussed in a thread about biden. You did the exact same thing on a different thread that you are whining about here. You're as doddering as Biden and trump. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Sept 22, 2023 23:32:01 GMT -5
Hey. Whats the name of this thread?? Why has it suddenly became a thread on racism. Get back to the original thread. Racism is one of the reasons some voters don't like Biden. Kamala is his VP. See? It's totally on topic. |
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Post by laterbloomer on Sept 22, 2023 23:35:03 GMT -5
I experience racism every day of my life. Do you? I bet not since you are a white woman outside of America. Here we don't live in a fair society where everyone is equal. We also don't have equal opportunity here. Why? Because of the color of our skin. If you and I were walking on opposite sides of the street, people would cross to your side to walk on. Why? Because of what I look like. I'm treated like a criminal every day because my skin is more melanated than yours. It's a fact of life when you're a POC. You wouldn't know what that is like though. That is a bullshit victim mindset statement. So someone don't like walking on the same street as you big deal. You were not made to cross the street they did it is their problem. Not everyone is racist thou or you wouldn't be employed, and enjoy what every other person in america does. There are racist people that is a fact. Here is another fact they are allowed to be racist that is the price we pay to live in a free society. We have laws to help stop them from using their racist views to hinder your life. That is really the best anyone can do. If your looking for a total racist free society which would be great its not going to happen stop playing the victim. Would you be comfortable being treated like a black person? Having your kids treated the way black people are? |
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Post by Opti on Sept 23, 2023 0:33:08 GMT -5
I experience racism every day of my life. Do you? I bet not since you are a white woman outside of America. Here we don't live in a fair society where everyone is equal. We also don't have equal opportunity here. Why? Because of the color of our skin. If you and I were walking on opposite sides of the street, people would cross to your side to walk on. Why? Because of what I look like. I'm treated like a criminal every day because my skin is more melanated than yours. It's a fact of life when you're a POC. You wouldn't know what that is like though. That is a bullshit victim mindset statement. So someone don't like walking on the same street as you big deal. You were not made to cross the street they did it is their problem. Not everyone is racist thou or you wouldn't be employed, and enjoy what every other person in america does. There are racist people that is a fact. Here is another fact they are allowed to be racist that is the price we pay to live in a free society. We have laws to help stop them from using their racist views to hinder your life. That is really the best anyone can do. If your looking for a total racist free society which would be great its not going to happen stop playing the victim. We don't live in a free society. We live in America where freedom of speech is protected but enforced differently throughout the history of America. Do you think slaves were given the freedom of speech to diss their masters or whites in general while enslaved? Racism and slaveholding existed together in many years ago which did not stop plantation owners from using slave labor. Sexists and Racists employ those they think less of, just employing women or non whites does not make them upstanding citizens. Yes many black Americans are doing better than I am now economically. That does not mean racism does not still exist. I think you confuse that fact with the different day to day experience of many non-white people in America. If you are going to give racists a pass because of free speech, why are you not giving the same pass to POC for sharing their experiences of life in America? You don't live a life where people cross the street or avoid you simply because of how you look. So I think you don't get how wearing that can be. I hate the fact some men feel entitled to encroach on my space when I am at my job. Its more annoying when we are in periods of Covid. It gets old and I would guess andi notices it more and more on days it happens too much. That's human, not being a victim like you like to cast it as. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2023 5:48:27 GMT -5
You wrote the below on the The Official 2024 Presidential Thread. Your comment has nothing to do with the 2024 election. I know what I wrote. I don't like him because he's a doddering old fool. so was Reagan. but he was also pretty effective. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 23, 2023 6:33:57 GMT -5
You wrote the below on the The Official 2024 Presidential Thread. Your comment has nothing to do with the 2024 election. I know what I wrote. I don't like him because he's a doddering old fool. But you like and will vote for Trump, who will be older than Biden is now in 2028. Does that make Trump a “doddering old fool.” Or is that different because he is a Republican? If you think Trump is going to age better than Biden you an idiot. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2023 11:48:25 GMT -5
again, Biden will outlive Trump. mark my words.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 23, 2023 12:16:57 GMT -5
again, Biden will outlive Trump. mark my words. He most definitely will. Biden lives a healthy lifestyle and Don lives on fast food and booger sugar. I wonder what's going to happen to him when he goes to prison. I bet he's not there long before he withers away and dies. Especially if it's the Fulton County jail. |
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Post by scgal on Sept 25, 2023 6:42:50 GMT -5
That is a bullshit victim mindset statement. So someone don't like walking on the same street as you big deal. You were not made to cross the street they did it is their problem. Not everyone is racist thou or you wouldn't be employed, and enjoy what every other person in america does. There are racist people that is a fact. Here is another fact they are allowed to be racist that is the price we pay to live in a free society. We have laws to help stop them from using their racist views to hinder your life. That is really the best anyone can do. If your looking for a total racist free society which would be great its not going to happen stop playing the victim. We live in America where freedom of speech is protected but enforced differently throughout the history of America. Do you think slaves were given the freedom of speech to diss their masters or whites in general while enslaved? Racism and slaveholding existed together in many years ago which did not stop plantation owners from using slave labor. Sexists and Racists employ those they think less of, just employing women or non whites does not make them upstanding citizens. Yes many black Americans are doing better than I am now economically. That does not mean racism does not still exist. I think you confuse that fact with the different day to day experience of many non-white people in America. If you are going to give racists a pass because of free speech, why are you not giving the same pass to POC for sharing their experiences of life in America? You don't live a life where people cross the street or avoid you simply because of how you look. So I think you don't get how wearing that can be. I hate the fact some men feel entitled to encroach on my space when I am at my job. Its more annoying when we are in periods of Covid. It gets old and I would guess andi notices it more and more on days it happens too much. That's human, not being a victim like you like to cast it as. Sure we do. This is where so many people get it wrong. We live in a society where all men are created equal. It took a long time for the idea to actually mean ALL. Because of racism and discrimination our Country has laws that make this happen. Now with all that said to live a free society the same laws that protect poc, women etc...also give the right to someone or anyone to be a racist or to dislike someone for any reason. That is why I say if someone don't want to walk on the same street as a poc oh well that is the person is crossing issue but they have that right. You cannot have it one way without the other. |
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Post by scgal on Sept 25, 2023 6:48:20 GMT -5
again, Biden will outlive Trump. mark my words. He may but more than likely in a few short years Biden will be bed ridden being fed because he don't know what a spoon is used for. While Trump will be unable to stand having a pacemaker, on oxygen but running his business. In the event if all you guys are wrong and Biden does go first I will dig all this up and have a big laugh bringing it up in every post I can until I'm banned |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 25, 2023 7:26:06 GMT -5
Again, your ignorance is stunning. Trump is unlikely to be on oxygen, he doesn’t have lung disease. More importantly, the risk factors that predispose to heart disease also are the same risk factors for strikes. Trump has a famously poor diet and does not exercise. He also had a family history of dementia. I wouldn’t be so sure of what you wrote.
There is a whole industry that os able to make money betting on people’s health and life expectancy. Maybe you heard of it. It is called insurance. You seem to be woefully uninformed about the ability to predict health and mortality. Maybe you should listen to your betters. You may learn something
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