Why don't voters like Joe Biden?

[Tiny]

Biden’s unpopularity could give Trump his shot at reclaiming power
www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/joe-biden-2024-reelection-donald-trump

Why do people not like him as president? 

The only Con  seems to be his age.   Which I guess implies that it is also his running mate (Vice President) that is also a Con. 

Here's the Pros from the article: 

The CNN poll and other snapshots of public opinion will come as a gut punch for a White House that has had an industrious term by comparison with recent administrations. Biden passed the kind of sweeping bipartisan infrastructure law that had eluded many predecessors. He took office amid the worst public health crisis in 100 years, which had been botched by Trump, and helped nurture an economic recovery. With the republic reeling after the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, he sought to stabilize the country’s democracy. Biden has sought to unleash an industrial reawakening, has lifted millions of kids out of poverty and is seeking to broaden access to health care and some key prescription drugs. And he has revived the Western alliance in mustering support for Ukraine after Russia’s invasion in the most striking display of transatlantic leadership since President George H.W. Bush at the end of the Cold War.



Yet he’s not getting credit for much of it, despite efforts to parlay historic jobs data and a dip in inflation as a great success.

[billisonboard]

Posted this elsewhere and then saw this thread had been started so am moving it (as written originally)

Biden’s unpopularity could give Trump his shot at reclaiming power

I am starting to think, fair or unfair, that Joe is going to have to take one for the team and not run again. There is the whole lame duck issue that made sense that he didn't want to get out too soon but time is running out for others to get in. I have to believe that there are conversations being had. I hope the Democrats can align behind someone else with as little blood as possible. It will be tricky with Harris. Not seeing her as the general election winning choice but will be tough to deny her the nomination. Who else? 

As always, the overriding factor is that Trump must not be back in the White House. What is the best course of action to prevent that?  for certain. Just know it has to be found and taken. 

[billisonboard]

My step-family is very Republican. My twenty year old granddaughter is as much a black sheep as there is but only dangles her toes on the dark side. She indicated she didn't like Trump but that she did like lower gas prices. I see that as typical simplistic self interest thinking. The pros presented in the OP might be good, "but what do they really do for me in my daily life?" (I didn't attempt to explain the complexity of gas prices. Experience has shown me eyes just glaze over when I do too much talking with any of that group.)

[mollyanna58]

I would prefer a younger candidate than Biden. However, if that is what people are holding against him, Trump is only 2 years younger.

[billisonboard]

Sept 7, 2023 10:44:54 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I would prefer a younger candidate than Biden. However, if that is what people are holding against him, Trump is only 2 years younger.

That logically makes sense but I "see" more of an age difference than that when I look at them. I think Trump's ego causes him to take actions to appear younger that Biden's doesn't. Perception is Reality.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 7, 2023 11:07:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 7, 2023 10:44:54 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I would prefer a younger candidate than Biden. However, if that is what people are holding against him, Trump is only 2 years younger.

That logically makes sense but I "see" more of an age difference than that when I look at them. I think Trump's ego causes him to take actions to appear younger that Biden's doesn't. Perception is Reality.

Like Clairol 8A medium ash blonde?

[Spellbound454]

You guys certainly like your elder statesmen.

[busymom]

Sept 7, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

You guys certainly like your elder statesmen.

   Actually, the elder statesmen are kind of like Velcro.  It's hard to convince them when it's time to retire & let the next generation take the helm.  But don't underestimate Biden, as in spite of his age, he's crazy like a fox.  

[djAdvocate]

Sept 7, 2023 10:44:54 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I would prefer a younger candidate than Biden. However, if that is what people are holding against him, Trump is only 2 years younger.

according to the actuarial tables, Biden will outlive Trump.

someone other than me should be saying that.  LOUDLY.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 7, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

You guys certainly like your elder statesmen.

not really.  of the five presidents that won in the last (32) years, the first three were in their 40's.

if you mean congress, yes- but only because of people that park there.

the most praised Republican of recent times left office at age 81.

i don't think it means a hill of beans that Biden is as old as he is, if he runs against Trump.  i think Trump is LIKELY to be running from prison.

[billisonboard]

Sept 7, 2023 11:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 7, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

You guys certainly like your elder statesmen.

not really.  of the five presidents that won in the last (32) years, the first three were in their 40's.

if you mean congress, yes- but only because of people that park there.

the most praised Republican of recent times left office at age 81.

i don't think it means a hill of beans that Biden is as old as he is, if he runs against Trump.  i think Trump is LIKELY to be running from prison.

First there has to be the trial and conviction. I see it as unlikely that a judge would go straight to sentencing or lock Trump up awaiting sentencing. Then time to file briefs and schedule a sentencing hearing. Unless the judge tells Trump ahead of time to get his affairs in order and bring his toothbrush to the hearing, I see it unlikely that the judge would order Trump immediately into custody. Then there is the possibility that a judge rules Trump can be out pending appeal. With all that, while possible, I don't see it as likely he will be in prison by Election Day 2024.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 7, 2023 11:07:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 7, 2023 10:44:54 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I would prefer a younger candidate than Biden. However, if that is what people are holding against him, Trump is only 2 years younger.

That logically makes sense but I "see" more of an age difference than that when I look at them. I think Trump's ego causes him to take actions to appear younger that Biden's doesn't. Perception is Reality.

Biden can ride a bicycle. Trump can barely walk a golf course. Biden is likely to be physiologically younger than Trump. Functional status matters far more than age. If trump is the nominee, I would use that as a counter any time Biden’s age is mentioned.

[dondubble]

Sept 7, 2023 13:06:20 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 7, 2023 11:07:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

That logically makes sense but I "see" more of an age difference than that when I look at them. I think Trump's ego causes him to take actions to appear younger that Biden's doesn't. Perception is Reality.

Biden can ride a bicycle. Trump can barely walk a golf course. Biden is likely to be physiologically younger than Trump. Functional status matters far more than age. If trump is the nominee, I would use that as a counter any time Biden’s age is mentioned.

Trump can not walk a golf course and even drives his cart onto the greens. Plus he is a massive cheater none of which makes his penis bigger. And as a 6’4” and 212 lb. man I just about spit up over his Fulton County numbers. Flat footed he may go 6’1”. He is easily north of 275.

[scgal]

Sept 7, 2023 11:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 7, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

You guys certainly like your elder statesmen.

not really.  of the five presidents that won in the last (32) years, the first three were in their 40's.

if you mean congress, yes- but only because of people that park there.

the most praised Republican of recent times left office at age 81.

i don't think it means a hill of beans that Biden is as old as he is, if he runs against Trump.  i think Trump is LIKELY to be running from prison.

There is probably a 50 50 chance of a conviction and at that no chance of jail time. He shouldn't run and hopefully not win. Biden on the other hand besides being a democrat with policies that suck his health is terrible too. The guy is a complete babbling idiot, dems cannot hide behind his speech impediment any more. He walks around in circles not knowing where he is at, babbles on not know what he is saying, hell the poor old fool fell off a bike. He is in bad shape and should not be making any decisions regarding the country. If anyone thinks this inept old man is competent should get their head examined.

[minnesotapaintlady]

I wish neither one of them was running.  I cannot believe neither party can come up with better candidates.

[billisonboard]

Sept 7, 2023 13:06:20 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 7, 2023 11:07:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

That logically makes sense but I "see" more of an age difference than that when I look at them. I think Trump's ego causes him to take actions to appear younger that Biden's doesn't. Perception is Reality.

Biden can ride a bicycle. Trump can barely walk a golf course. Biden is likely to be physiologically younger than Trump. Functional status matters far more than age. If trump is the nominee, I would use that as a counter any time Biden’s age is mentioned.

It is a great counter argument however "matters more to whom?" is a question to ask. "Functional status" has five syllables, "age" has one. Describing a person's functional status takes many words. Stating a person's age takes a number.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 7, 2023 13:17:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 7, 2023 11:59:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

not really.  of the five presidents that won in the last (32) years, the first three were in their 40's.

if you mean congress, yes- but only because of people that park there.

the most praised Republican of recent times left office at age 81.

i don't think it means a hill of beans that Biden is as old as he is, if he runs against Trump.  i think Trump is LIKELY to be running from prison.

There is probably a 50 50 chance of a conviction and at that no chance of jail time. He shouldn't run and hopefully not win. Biden on the other hand besides being a democrat with policies that suck his health is terrible too. The guy is a complete babbling idiot, dems cannot hide behind his speech impediment any more. He walks around in circles not knowing where he is at, babbles on not know what he is saying, hell the poor old fool fell off a bike. He is in bad shape and should not be making any decisions regarding the country. If anyone thinks this inept old man is competent should get their head examined.

Again proving you know nothing about medicine. People fall off bicycles all the time, even young people. Does that make them poor physical specimens? You supported Trump, if you think he isn’t a babbling idiot, then you clearly are.

Walking speed is a predictor of mortality. Being able to ride a bicycle requires better fitness and strength. Try again

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 7, 2023 13:39:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 7, 2023 13:06:20 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Biden can ride a bicycle. Trump can barely walk a golf course. Biden is likely to be physiologically younger than Trump. Functional status matters far more than age. If trump is the nominee, I would use that as a counter any time Biden’s age is mentioned.

It is a great counter argument however "matters more to whom?" is a question to ask. "Functional status" has five syllables, "age" has one. Describing a person's functional status takes many words. Stating a person's age takes a number.

Just show joe riding a bike juxtaposed to trump having to ride a golf cart when the rest of the g8 walked uphill in Sicily. Then ask who appears healthier. Easy and doesn’t require big words that typical voters can’t understand

[billisonboard]

Sept 7, 2023 13:22:53 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I wish neither one of them was running.  I cannot believe neither party can come up with better candidates.

Not sure exactly how to define "better candidates". I would argue that the GOP has a number of better choices running. It is up to the voters to stop saying they will vote for Trump and back someone else. I found a poll Here that asked, "if not Biden, who?" and Harris lead with an uninspiring 22%. Non-spring chickens Hillary and Bennie were at 15 and 12. Newsom was the only other in double figures. Granted things could change if the poll was for reals but still doesn't suggest that Democrats are strongly ready to get behind someone else. I am reminded of Pogo:

[minnesotapaintlady]

Sept 7, 2023 14:06:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 7, 2023 13:22:53 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I wish neither one of them was running.  I cannot believe neither party can come up with better candidates.

Not sure exactly how to define "better candidates". I would argue that the GOP has a number of better choices running. It is up to the voters to stop saying they will vote for Trump and back someone else. I found a poll Here that asked, "if not Biden, who?" and Harris lead with an uninspiring 22%. Non-spring chickens Hillary and Bennie were at 15 and 12. Newsom was the only other in double figures. Granted things could change if the poll was for reals but still doesn't suggest that Democrats are strongly ready to get behind someone else. I am reminded of Pogo:

My dream would be Dems and Republicans got together and agreed to toss both Biden and Trump and move on.  Does anyone really want that rematch and the shitshow it would become?  I know I don't. 

[scgal]

Sept 7, 2023 14:01:29 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 7, 2023 13:17:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

There is probably a 50 50 chance of a conviction and at that no chance of jail time. He shouldn't run and hopefully not win. Biden on the other hand besides being a democrat with policies that suck his health is terrible too. The guy is a complete babbling idiot, dems cannot hide behind his speech impediment any more. He walks around in circles not knowing where he is at, babbles on not know what he is saying, hell the poor old fool fell off a bike. He is in bad shape and should not be making any decisions regarding the country. If anyone thinks this inept old man is competent should get their head examined.

Again proving you know nothing about medicine. People fall off bicycles all the time, even young people. Does that make them poor physical specimens? You supported Trump, if you think he isn’t a babbling idiot, then you clearly are.

Walking speed is a predictor of mortality. Being able to ride a bicycle requires better fitness and strength. Try again

Again proving you like to think you know but really don't. Falling off a bike does not mean you are in poor physical condition but in mid seventies it sure as hell doesn't mean you are. Yes I supported Trump against Hillary all the way and will still stand behind that. I didn't want him as the candidate against Biden but that is who I got to go with. Even with all his faults better than most dems. I don't want him to run now I'd rather see Desantis or Haley although I don't think Haley could pull it off. 

[billisonboard]

Sept 7, 2023 14:19:05 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sept 7, 2023 14:06:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Not sure exactly how to define "better candidates". I would argue that the GOP has a number of better choices running. It is up to the voters to stop saying they will vote for Trump and back someone else. I found a poll Here that asked, "if not Biden, who?" and Harris lead with an uninspiring 22%. Non-spring chickens Hillary and Bennie were at 15 and 12. Newsom was the only other in double figures. Granted things could change if the poll was for reals but still doesn't suggest that Democrats are strongly ready to get behind someone else. I am reminded of Pogo:

My dream would be Dems and Republicans got together and agreed to toss both Biden and Trump and move on.  Does anyone really want that rematch and the shitshow it would become?  I know I don't. 

Who do you mean specifically when you say "Dems and Republicans"? There is no mechanism for elected officials to do that which you dream. The Republican and Democratic National Committees do have some say in the nomination process but I think they would be hard-pressed to deny either candidate access to state primary ballots. They could manipulate delegate seating rules to make it more difficult for either to get the necessary votes to secure the nomination. But most of GOP people have their committee seats out of loyalty to Trump. And a power play within the Democratic Party by elites has never turned out well.

[scgal]

Sept 7, 2023 14:03:10 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 7, 2023 13:39:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It is a great counter argument however "matters more to whom?" is a question to ask. "Functional status" has five syllables, "age" has one. Describing a person's functional status takes many words. Stating a person's age takes a number.

Just show joe riding a bike juxtaposed to trump having to ride a golf cart when the rest of the g8 walked uphill in Sicily. Then ask who appears healthier. Easy and doesn’t require big words that typical voters can’t understand

looking at it all wrong. Trump would look at it like I'm the POUS why would I walk with other leaders they are beneath me. That is more like it

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 7, 2023 14:44:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 7, 2023 14:01:29 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Again proving you know nothing about medicine. People fall off bicycles all the time, even young people. Does that make them poor physical specimens? You supported Trump, if you think he isn’t a babbling idiot, then you clearly are.

Walking speed is a predictor of mortality. Being able to ride a bicycle requires better fitness and strength. Try again

Again proving you like to think you know but really don't. Falling off a bike does not mean you are in poor physical condition but in mid seventies it sure as hell doesn't mean you are. Yes I supported Trump against Hillary all the way and will still stand behind that. I didn't want him as the candidate against Biden but that is who I got to go with. Even with all his faults better than most dems. I don't want him to run now I'd rather see Desantis or Haley although I don't think Haley could pull it off. 

Your lack of knowledge about medicine is stunning. People fall all the time. They fall off curbs, on the stairs, while walking, in the shower, and all kinds of places. The number of falls and the circumstances surrounding them is what matters. How many times has Biden fallen? More than once?

We encourage people to stay active to maintain their health and fitness, regardless of age and medical diagnoses. Those that do have a lower chance of falling. If you understood anything about medicine you would know that. Why should I expect more.

You continue to defend Trump despite his flaunting of the constitution and his inciting an insurrection. You refuse to acknowledge the risks he poses to our government and his lawbreaking. The fact that you and your fellow conservatives can say with a straight face that Biden is more of a risk than re-electing is ludicrous, but that just goes hand and hand with the other absurd things you posyTrump

ETA: so you are now going to vote for trump.

We measure physical activity in something called METS. Riding a bike, walking, and riding in a golf cart all get a number. So yes, being able to ride a bike means you are in better physical condition than someone who cannot, and the numbers back that up. Try again

[minnesotapaintlady]

Sept 7, 2023 14:50:07 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 7, 2023 14:19:05 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

My dream would be Dems and Republicans got together and agreed to toss both Biden and Trump and move on.  Does anyone really want that rematch and the shitshow it would become?  I know I don't. 

Who do you mean specifically when you say "Dems and Republicans"? There is no mechanism for elected officials to do that which you dream. The Republican and Democratic National Committees do have some say in the nomination process but I think they would be hard-pressed to deny either candidate access to state primary ballots. They could manipulate delegate seating rules to make it more difficult for either to get the necessary votes to secure the nomination. But most of GOP people have their committee seats out of loyalty to Trump. And a power play within the Democratic Party by elites has never turned out well.

I said it was a dream.  I know there is no practical way it would happen, but I'll bet if there was a country-wide vote that a lot of people feel the same way I do.  And it's not so much that I have a particular dislike of Biden personally.  But, I know the republican voters HATE him, and the thought of him being president again turns their stomachs as much as the thought of Trump being president sickens the dems (although to be honest, I'd actually rather see Trump back in there than Desantis).  

[scgal]

Sept 7, 2023 14:56:08 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 7, 2023 14:44:21 GMT -5 scgal said:

Again proving you like to think you know but really don't. Falling off a bike does not mean you are in poor physical condition but in mid seventies it sure as hell doesn't mean you are. Yes I supported Trump against Hillary all the way and will still stand behind that. I didn't want him as the candidate against Biden but that is who I got to go with. Even with all his faults better than most dems. I don't want him to run now I'd rather see Desantis or Haley although I don't think Haley could pull it off. 

Your lack of knowledge about medicine is stunning. People fall all the time. They fall off curbs, on the stairs, while walking, in the shower, and all kinds of places. The number of falls and the circumstances surrounding them is what matters. How many times has Biden fallen? More than once?

We encourage people to stay active to maintain their health and fitness, regardless of age and medical diagnoses. Those that do have a lower chance of falling. If you understood anything about medicine you would know that. Why should I expect more.

You continue to defend Trump despite his flaunting of the constitution and his inciting an insurrection. You refuse to acknowledge the risks he poses to our government and his lawbreaking. The fact that you and your fellow conservatives can say with a straight face that Biden is more of a risk than re-electing is ludicrous, but that just goes hand and hand with the other absurd things you posyTrump

ETA: so you are now going to vote for trump.

We measure physical activity in something called METS. Riding a bike, walking, and riding in a golf cart all get a number. So yes, being able to ride a bike means you are in better physical condition than someone who cannot, and the numbers back that up. Try again

Blah Blah Blah. Whatever they man is a walking ooops I mean a stumbling disaster. Just because you do not see Trump riding a bike does not mean he is in poor health. Your view is so bias it' you cannot have an accurate view anymore. Atleast I can say Trump would not be good for the country a second time around. You think Biden would actually be fit to lead again that is scary. With judgement like that maybe its time to retire before you hurt someone.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 7, 2023 15:06:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 7, 2023 14:56:08 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Your lack of knowledge about medicine is stunning. People fall all the time. They fall off curbs, on the stairs, while walking, in the shower, and all kinds of places. The number of falls and the circumstances surrounding them is what matters. How many times has Biden fallen? More than once?

We encourage people to stay active to maintain their health and fitness, regardless of age and medical diagnoses. Those that do have a lower chance of falling. If you understood anything about medicine you would know that. Why should I expect more.

You continue to defend Trump despite his flaunting of the constitution and his inciting an insurrection. You refuse to acknowledge the risks he poses to our government and his lawbreaking. The fact that you and your fellow conservatives can say with a straight face that Biden is more of a risk than re-electing is ludicrous, but that just goes hand and hand with the other absurd things you posyTrump

ETA: so you are now going to vote for trump.

We measure physical activity in something called METS. Riding a bike, walking, and riding in a golf cart all get a number. So yes, being able to ride a bike means you are in better physical condition than someone who cannot, and the numbers back that up. Try again

Blah Blah Blah. Whatever they man is a walking ooops I mean a stumbling disaster. Just because you do not see Trump riding a bike does not mean he is in poor health. Your view is so bias it' you cannot have an accurate view anymore. Atleast I can say Trump would not be good for the country a second time around. You think Biden would actually be fit to lead again that is scary. With judgement like that maybe its time to retire before you hurt someone.

Sure. Trump is an excellent physical specimen/s. Trump was unable to walk up a hill at the G8 in Sicily. He does not exercise. A 76 yo man who does not exercise is not in good physical condition. The rumors I have heard about what Trump’ calcium score in his coronary arteries would be very concerning for anyone, and puts you at a high risk of a heart attack or a stroke. Trump has a famously unhealthy diet and is known not to do any exercise other than golf. So yes, I can unequivocally say that Trump has a higher risk of dying in the next 4 years compared to Trump. There is a whole industry based on determining that risk. It is called insurance. So yes, it is easy to say

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 7, 2023 15:14:40 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 7, 2023 15:06:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Blah Blah Blah. Whatever they man is a walking ooops I mean a stumbling disaster. Just because you do not see Trump riding a bike does not mean he is in poor health. Your view is so bias it' you cannot have an accurate view anymore. Atleast I can say Trump would not be good for the country a second time around. You think Biden would actually be fit to lead again that is scary. With judgement like that maybe its time to retire before you hurt someone.

Sure. Trump is an excellent physical specimen/s. Trump was unable to walk up a hill at the G8 in Sicily. He does not exercise. A 76 yo man who does not exercise is not in good physical condition. The rumors I have heard about what Trump’ calcium score in his coronary arteries would be very concerning for anyone, and puts you at a high risk of a heart attack or a stroke. Trump has a famously unhealthy diet and is known not to do any exercise other than golf. So yes, I can unequivocally say that Trump has a higher risk of dying in the next 4 years compared to Trump. There is a whole industry based on determining that risk. It is called insurance. So yes, it is easy to say

Edited to add. I like how you show your maturity level. You sound like a 10 yo

[mollyanna58]

Sept 7, 2023 14:51:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 7, 2023 14:03:10 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Just show joe riding a bike juxtaposed to trump having to ride a golf cart when the rest of the g8 walked uphill in Sicily. Then ask who appears healthier. Easy and doesn’t require big words that typical voters can’t understand

looking at it all wrong. Trump would look at it like I'm the POUS why would I walk with other leaders they are beneath me. That is more like it

Yes, I am sure that is exactly how that vile person saw it. Congratulations on understanding the thought process of a worthless POS.  PS: you spelled POS wrong.

[billisonboard]

Sept 7, 2023 15:15:27 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 7, 2023 15:14:40 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sure. Trump is an excellent physical specimen/s. Trump was unable to walk up a hill at the G8 in Sicily. He does not exercise. A 76 yo man who does not exercise is not in good physical condition. The rumors I have heard about what Trump’ calcium score in his coronary arteries would be very concerning for anyone, and puts you at a high risk of a heart attack or a stroke. Trump has a famously unhealthy diet and is known not to do any exercise other than golf. So yes, I can unequivocally say that Trump has a higher risk of dying in the next 4 years compared to Trump. There is a whole industry based on determining that risk. It is called insurance. So yes, it is easy to say

Edited to add. I like how you show your maturity level. You sound like a 10 yo

I liked how you showed maturity in your first response but then, alas, ...