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Post by grumpyhermit on Mar 17, 2023 15:15:54 GMT -5
They learn about it in an age appropriate way when they are mature enough to understand the concepts and not because someone forces their sexuality on the rest of the population...... who maybe, don't want it in their kids faces.Be People existing as their authentic selves is not "forcing their sexuality on the rest of the population". If you need your kid so sheltered from the reality that gay people exist, and proudly, stay home. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO GO TO A PRIDE PARADE. Frankly, with your attitude, I'm not sure why you ever went to one in the first place. It's attitudes like this that is exactly WHY pride is so overt. All gay people have to do to "force their sexuality" on the rest of the population is exist. The argument that if they would just 'tone it down' well then people wouldn't care so much, is utter bullshit.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 15:22:48 GMT -5
Topless means nothing to me, I'm a EuropeanHomophobe and transphobe now is it? As well as someone with a bondage secret, miserable .... and all the other little barbs you have thrown at me in the pretence of furthering discussion. Anyone else with a reasonable ability to communicate out there? .......... hellloooo ooooo ooooo you don't see any irony at all in this comment? I know! It's like "um, HELLO!" Fully grown men in dresses are disgusting. Topless ladies, that's not a big deal at all. WTF?!
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 15:24:40 GMT -5
There is no venue ... it just means "in public" ........ as opposed to "in private" Venue Noun The place where something happens, especially an organized event such as a concert, conference, or sports event. "the river could soon be the venue for a powerboat world championship event"
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 15:42:17 GMT -5
i never want to see another argument involving a voluntary activity that includes the word FORCED. but unfortunately, i will have them FORCED upon me for the remainder of my life.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Mar 17, 2023 16:00:12 GMT -5
They learn about it in an age appropriate way when they are mature enough to understand the concepts and not because someone forces their sexuality on the rest of the population...... who maybe, don't want it in their kids faces.Be People existing as their authentic selves is not "forcing their sexuality on the rest of the population". If you need your kid so sheltered from the reality that gay people exist, and proudly, stay home. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO GO TO A PRIDE PARADE. Frankly, with your attitude, I'm not sure why you ever went to one in the first place. It's attitudes like this that is exactly WHY pride is so overt. All gay people have to do to "force their sexuality" on the rest of the population is exist. The argument that if they would just 'tone it down' well then people wouldn't care so much, is utter bullshit. Exactly. As the mom of a gay son that is one of the most caring, accepting people you will ever meet, it pains me to read these posts sometimes. I mean cuts my heart out kind of pain thinking about the hatred some people have towards him that have never even had the pleasure to meet him.
Heterosexuality is "forced" on us ALL THE TIME. TV, movies, advertisements...it's everywhere. Telling people who think or feel differently to hide that is telling them there is something wrong with them that they need to hide. There is nothing wrong with my son.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 17, 2023 16:01:26 GMT -5
They learn about it in an age appropriate way when they are mature enough to understand the concepts and not because someone forces their sexuality on the rest of the population...... who maybe, don't want it in their kids faces. Do you get that by banning the behaviour you don't like you are forcing your sexuality on the rest of the population?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 17, 2023 16:06:09 GMT -5
Not to mention hetero women wear stuff that signals our sexuality all the freaking time. Such as high heels. Those aren't designed to be good walking shoes they are meant to acceunate my butt. Underwire push up bras, make-up, tight jeans/tops. But we don't think anything of it because we take it for granted. No one thinks twice about the actual intention of high heels anymore. At one point showing my freaking ankle would have been considered the height of indecency but nobody thinks twice now about me wearing shorts. Men go topless all over the place. That was illegal till the late 1940s because it was considered too sexual in nature. I don't see men being wrangled into tops at the beach anymore do you? If everyone walked around in a dog BDSM mask eventually nobody would think twice of it either. So why should it bother me or offend me now? No one is asking me to wear it. It's something that person likes to wear and it's their business. That is EXACTLY what I would tell my kids too if they saw someone and asked about it. We have so many hang ups with the human body/sex in the Western world. There are things I am far more concerned about in that arena that deserve focus. Like online incel culture and sex trafficking. The guy wearing a dog mask at pride parade is minding his own beeswax. The drag queen at the library is helping to promote literacy. The transgender woman just has to pee. The kid just wants to play sports like his/her peers. WTF are we focusing our energy on them?
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2023 16:07:32 GMT -5
People existing as their authentic selves is not "forcing their sexuality on the rest of the population". If you need your kid so sheltered from the reality that gay people exist, and proudly, stay home. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO GO TO A PRIDE PARADE. Frankly, with your attitude, I'm not sure why you ever went to one in the first place. It's attitudes like this that is exactly WHY pride is so overt. All gay people have to do to "force their sexuality" on the rest of the population is exist. The argument that if they would just 'tone it down' well then people wouldn't care so much, is utter bullshit. Exactly. As the mom of a gay son that is one of the most caring, accepting people you will ever meet, it pains me to read these posts sometimes. I mean cuts my heart out kind of pain thinking about the hatred some people have towards him that have never even had the pleasure to meet him.
Heterosexuality is "forced" on us ALL THE TIME. TV, movies, advertisements...it's everywhere. Telling people who think or feel differently to hide that is telling them there is something wrong with them that they need to hide. There is nothing wrong with my son. the is for the italic, and it needs to be repeated until the bullheaded resistants finally acknowledge it. your first paragraph breaks my heart. you always speak so highly of your ODS and his character, except when he's left important documents in your car after you've gotten back home from the college run.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 17, 2023 16:09:30 GMT -5
you don't see any irony at all in this comment? I know! It's like "um, HELLO!" Fully grown men in dresses are disgusting. Topless ladies, that's not a big deal at all. WTF?! Well, as a purely personal observation, I would (generally) rather look at topless ladies than men in dresses too. I would classify the latter as disinterest rather than disgust, but still....
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 17, 2023 16:10:14 GMT -5
I know! It's like "um, HELLO!" Fully grown men in dresses are disgusting. Topless ladies, that's not a big deal at all. WTF?! Well, as a purely personal observation, I would (generally) rather look at topless ladies than men in dresses too. I would classify the latter as disinterest rather than disgust, but still.... IDK Rupaul in a dress is pretty dang hot. He's good looking as a man too. It isn't fair I can barely look that good as one gender.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2023 16:12:12 GMT -5
Well, as a purely personal observation, I would (generally) rather look at topless ladies than men in dresses too. I would classify the latter as disinterest rather than disgust, but still.... IDK Rupaul in a dress is pretty dang hot. He's good looking as a man too. It isn't fair I can barely look that good as one gender. ikr??
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Post by tallguy on Mar 17, 2023 16:18:12 GMT -5
Well, as a purely personal observation, I would (generally) rather look at topless ladies than men in dresses too. I would classify the latter as disinterest rather than disgust, but still.... IDK Rupaul in a dress is pretty dang hot. He's good looking as a man too. It isn't fair I can barely look that good as one gender. Wouldn't do anything for me. Truth be told, though, there are a lot of topless women who wouldn't do anything for me either. Fortunately, it is another of those things that I don't have to look at if I don't want to. So many things like that, aren't there?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 16:37:47 GMT -5
white English speaking male rich
if you are not ALL of those four things, you have probably experienced some disadvantages.
and MANY of those that have all four want it to stay that way.
weirdly, some who are NOT all four of those things that want it that way, too.
i have a lot of trouble understanding that.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2023 16:39:14 GMT -5
white English speaking male rich if you are not ALL of those four things, you have probably experienced some disadvantages. and MANY of those that have all four want it to stay that way. weirdly, some who are NOT all four of those things that want it that way, too.
i have a lot of trouble understanding that. same. and I've tried to contort my thoughts to absorb the mental gymnastics these people perform. I just can't get there.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 17, 2023 17:32:28 GMT -5
white English speaking male rich if you are not ALL of those four things, you have probably experienced some disadvantages. and MANY of those that have all four want it to stay that way. weirdly, some who are NOT all four of those things that want it that way, too. i have a lot of trouble understanding that. Because people can be convinced that two out of three ain't bad especially if they are promised that others will get even less.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Mar 17, 2023 19:04:57 GMT -5
People existing as their authentic selves is not "forcing their sexuality on the rest of the population". If you need your kid so sheltered from the reality that gay people exist, and proudly, stay home. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO GO TO A PRIDE PARADE. Frankly, with your attitude, I'm not sure why you ever went to one in the first place. It's attitudes like this that is exactly WHY pride is so overt. All gay people have to do to "force their sexuality" on the rest of the population is exist. The argument that if they would just 'tone it down' well then people wouldn't care so much, is utter bullshit. Exactly. As the mom of a gay son that is one of the most caring, accepting people you will ever meet, it pains me to read these posts sometimes. I mean cuts my heart out kind of pain thinking about the hatred some people have towards him that have never even had the pleasure to meet him.
Heterosexuality is "forced" on us ALL THE TIME. TV, movies, advertisements...it's everywhere. Telling people who think or feel differently to hide that is telling them there is something wrong with them that they need to hide. There is nothing wrong with my son.
There absolutely is not. I get extremely irritated when people drag out the "forcing" bullshit. They may try to frame it around something flamboyant like pride, but it never stops there. If you concede that ground it will always been the next thing, like simple PDAs, holding hands, or you know existing. I especially don't have the time or patience for it when we have states actively ramping up legislation against LGBTQ+ people. Pride doesn't exist to make gay people palatable for straights. Could frankly not care less what they think of it. It's to foster community and acceptance for a group of people that has been historically shunned, mistreated, and made to feel like there was something wrong with them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2023 19:38:25 GMT -5
Exactly. As the mom of a gay son that is one of the most caring, accepting people you will ever meet, it pains me to read these posts sometimes. I mean cuts my heart out kind of pain thinking about the hatred some people have towards him that have never even had the pleasure to meet him.
Heterosexuality is "forced" on us ALL THE TIME. TV, movies, advertisements...it's everywhere. Telling people who think or feel differently to hide that is telling them there is something wrong with them that they need to hide. There is nothing wrong with my son.
There absolutely is not. I get extremely irritated when people drag out the "forcing" bullshit. They may try to frame it around something flamboyant like pride, but it never stops there. If you concede that ground it will always been the next thing, like simple PDAs, holding hands, or you know existing. I especially don't have the time or patience for it when we have states actively ramping up legislation against LGBTQ+ people. Pride doesn't exist to make gay people palatable for straights. Could frankly not care less what they think of it. It's to foster community and acceptance for a group of people that has been historically shunned, mistreated, and made to feel like there was something wrong with them.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 17, 2023 20:49:00 GMT -5
white English speaking male rich if you are not ALL of those four things, you have probably experienced some disadvantages. and MANY of those that have all four want it to stay that way. weirdly, some who are NOT all four of those things that want it that way, too. i have a lot of trouble understanding that. But if you are one or more of those things you have experienced some advantages. Life might be hard but they don't trust it won't get harder.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 18, 2023 10:44:29 GMT -5
i probably should have added attractive to that list.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 18, 2023 15:42:10 GMT -5
Ok lets respond to some of these points.
Topless means nothing to me, I'm a European
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 18, 2023 16:00:45 GMT -5
[/b] I haven't said anything about "sheltering kids from the reality that gay people exist"....... Where did that come from? and your " Frankly with your attitude" is because you have chosen to misrepresent me to suit your own agenda. You seem to have become a bit animated all of a sudden Anyway, I have already answered this. Never said there was. No 1. I never mentioned anything about banning and 2. I don't force my sexuality on anyone (perish the thought) So this makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 18, 2023 16:12:21 GMT -5
Thats interesting
(and I do agree with the part about being historically shunned and mistreated)
but if gays "couldn't care less about about what straights think of them"......... why put it in the public arena? why would it even matter
If the above is not true, and they want acceptance ...... then why would they include X rated content which they know would alienate sections of the audience.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 18, 2023 16:14:07 GMT -5
first of all, you are still amusingly using the word forced. stop it.
second of all, the same could be said of heterosexuality, except it is not just an exposure at a public event. it is literally inescapable. i cannot leave my home without seeing heterosexuality literally everywhere.
do i complain? no. that would be silly. but it seems like a pretty silly thread, so maybe i will start.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 18, 2023 16:17:05 GMT -5
You are right, it is a pretty silly thread.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 18, 2023 16:18:19 GMT -5
Thats interesting (and I do agree with the part about being historically shunned and mistreated) but if gays "couldn't care less about about what straights think of them"......... why put it in the public arena? why would it even matterIf the above is not true, and they want acceptance ...... then why would they include X rated content which they know would alienate sections of the audience. seemed like a rhetorical question, but i will give it a shot. 1) to show that they are not afraid of getting their asses kicked. 2) to have solidarity with OTHER gay people. 3) to assert their rights as free citizens. i can think of a bunch more, but they are largely related to those three. to illustrate how you are asking the wrong question, let me paraphrase it: but if military personnel "couldn't care less about about what pacifists think of them"......... why put it in the public arena? why would it even matter?see how dumb that sounds?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 18, 2023 16:24:52 GMT -5
I just cant help thinking that the day we don't have pride parades will be the day we have equality because people won't feel disaffected.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 18, 2023 16:36:14 GMT -5
I just cant help thinking that the day we don't have pride parades will be the day we have equality because people won't feel disaffected. on that day, this board will fall silent.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 18, 2023 16:54:32 GMT -5
I just cant help thinking that the day we don't have pride parades will be the day we have equalitybecause people won't feel disaffected. You have it backwards. If there WAS (and had been) equality there would be no need for PRIDE parades. Nobody would care, and nobody would have to openly assert their right to be different. It is BECAUSE OF previous bigotry and discrimination that PRIDE parades exist today. The reason that heterosexuals don't have their own parades is because they have never been debased by society because of who or what they are. Straight people have never suffered society's disapprobation. Others of many different stripes have. That is society's problem, and society needs to get over it.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 18, 2023 17:05:05 GMT -5
I probably wrote it badly...... but the sentiment is the same as yours.
We won't have Pride Parades because there will be no need. People will have equality and won't feel disaffected
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 18, 2023 17:14:11 GMT -5
Government is talking about banning drag shows. Tennessee passed the law, that is why the thread was started. I am just pointing out that there is cross dressing/ drag in many forms of entertainment, including entertainment aimed at children. If drag queens who are reading to people isn’t ok, why is all that I posted. If the government can ban drag shows put on by private businesses, where does it stop.
I see things in public all the time that offends me. I think protests with images of aborted fetuses and anti-abortion workers dressed as healthcare workers while having no medical license to be offensive, but our government has said that is ok. This is what living in a multicultural society is like. Your discomfit over public displays of the sort you continue to rail against is your problem. Unless it is against obscenity law, we are required to tolerate it in a free society. Don’t like it, live somewhere else
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