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Post by andi9899 on Mar 6, 2023 15:14:04 GMT -5
Parents didn't want their children exposed to this inappropriate person....... that's the point and they didn't get a choice. That's why the program has been suspended. This is someone forcing an agenda on to vulnerable children..... in a School. As an educator, I'm aware of requests from all sorts of people want to get in to Schools to indoctrinate. The answer is invariably no, we stick to the curriculum. So what went wrong here I don't even know. I'll admit that I didn't read the article because it was behind a paywall. What agenda is being forced on kids from drag queens reading age appropriate books? By that logic, we should ban all make believe characters. After all, a drag queen is just that, a fictional character. It's no different than someone dressing as a clown or a cartoon character. Schools should also not have mascots if we want to ban all characters. What sense would that make?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 6, 2023 15:29:08 GMT -5
Isn't that happening on all sides?
I'm right and everyone who doesn't agree..... is wrong.
In heated discussions one side automatically assumes the other side is stupid ...... but its not true. People have their own reasons for forming the opinions they do.
If no-one is prepared to listen, then you have a problem.
[/quote] no Social Studies? no humanities? no cultural studies?
what narrow people we are becoming.
how small. how unfortunate.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 6, 2023 15:49:37 GMT -5
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 7, 2023 10:48:22 GMT -5
I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I'm just a good person and try to respect and accept everyone for who they are. My daughter is gay and has been to pride many times. I wanted to go with her last year, but I got the rona so I couldn't go. My grandbaby went with them and I approved. He's being taught to accept all people even if they are different than he is. Something others including yourself could stand to learn about. So let me ask you this, because you seem to be an intolerant person. What does who another person loves have to do with you? What does the way someone else dresses have to do with you? What does the way another person identifies have to do with you? You seem really bent on judging people and who they are. Maybe if you don't agree with another person's choices, you could just mind your business. Who is pushing an agenda? Seems like you are.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 7, 2023 12:05:46 GMT -5
You seem to have gone for the personal attack rather than discuss the issues. I'm a good person too ...... certainly not intolerant. and I go and spend time with drag queens every week. Just pointing out that they are adult entertainers (which I love in the right setting) ..... but they are not best fitted for Schools.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 7, 2023 12:25:10 GMT -5
You seem to have gone for the personal attack rather than discuss the issues. I'm a good person too ...... certainly not intolerant. and I go and spend time with drag queens every week. Just pointing out that they are adult entertainers (which I love in the right setting) ..... but they are not best fitted for Schools. How am I attacking you? I simply asked you what another person does or believes has to do with you. I also asked you how a drag queen reading an appropriate book to a child was bad. You didn't answer. You instead suggested that I exposed my children (who are grown BTW) to things to prove a point. Again, I ask. How is the drag queen any different than say a woman dressed as a princess? Because it's really the same thing.
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Post by azucena on Mar 7, 2023 12:30:48 GMT -5
You seem to have gone for the personal attack rather than discuss the issues. I'm a good person too ...... certainly not intolerant. and I go and spend time with drag queens every week. Just pointing out that they are adult entertainers (which I love in the right setting) ..... but they are not best fitted for Schools. Every week? I find that hard to believe.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 7, 2023 12:43:00 GMT -5
Drag bingo is on at my local... every week.
I have answered this already. Its not princesses, the themes (jokes/sketches/skits)... are adult in nature.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 7, 2023 12:59:06 GMT -5
Drag bingo is on at my local... every week. I have answered this already. Its not princesses, the themes (jokes/sketches/skits)... are adult in nature. How so? Are the kids being taken to a bar to hear the queen read the book? How exactly are drag queens adult in nature? How are they different from any other character? At the end of the day, they are just playing a character. How is a drag queen reading an age appropriate book to a child wrong? It's not.
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Post by swamp on Mar 7, 2023 15:08:10 GMT -5
Drag bingo is on at my local... every week. I have answered this already. Its not princesses, the themes (jokes/sketches/skits)... are adult in nature. Yes, the adult show is adult themed. The drag queen book reading is geared towards kids.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 7, 2023 16:52:30 GMT -5
Because they are adult entertainers purporting adult themes? Or they were last time I saw a drag show. We have had a bit of trouble with drag queens being invited in to school for childrens story time ....... and the sessions being inappropriate. I guess the School leaders thought they were being "all inclusive" .... but with this freedom comes responsibility. and adult entertainers don't belong in Schools.I do kind of agree with you.... Kids get to see and hear and experience enough adult crap at home (via their parents, the media they see/consume, their relatives, their friends, the other people in their community). BUT, I'm thinking schools have some say over what is presented to their classrooms - and that the people doing the presenting tailor their presentation/performance to their audience (aka school aged children). I'm pretty sure schools (or public libraries) often have guest speakers - be they local "heros" - business people or athletes or artists. I'm sure these guests provide content to match their audience. For example: I'm guessing if Bob Saget (rest his soul) was talking to a roomful of 3rd graders he would NOT be telling adult jokes (and believe me the man's "comedy" made my skin crawl it was so offensive (sexually) ). I'm guessing the community would have Loved to have him at their school ... his TV show was very popular and supposedly "family friendly". Oh wait... by "adult entertainer" did you mean sex workers? I don't think Drag Queens fall into that category... (FWIW: a trip to the Firehouse to see the trucks and the firemen and to learn about the stuff at the firehouse and fire safety - it usually DOESN"T include any info or stories about the actual unpleasant and awful stuff firemen have to deal with. Like removing a body that has been decomposing for a couple of weeks or finding the remains of occupants of a house fire.... and those are the, um, nicer things.... )
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 9, 2023 11:49:27 GMT -5
Good point. Kiddie beauty pageants.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 9, 2023 13:51:15 GMT -5
Isn't that happening on all sides? I'm right and everyone who doesn't agree..... is wrong. In heated discussions one side automatically assumes the other side is stupid ...... but its not true. People have their own reasons for forming the opinions they do. If no-one is prepared to listen, then you have a problem. no Social Studies? no humanities? no cultural studies? what narrow people we are becoming. how small. how unfortunate.what do you mean "nope"? no social studies, no humanities, no cultural studies?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 9, 2023 13:52:35 GMT -5
Drag bingo is on at my local... every week. I have answered this already. Its not princesses, the themes (jokes/sketches/skits)... are adult in nature. Yes, the adult show is adult themed. The drag queen book reading is geared towards kids. and i am sure it is FABULOUS!
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 10, 2023 21:42:46 GMT -5
Kiddie beauty contests should be banned.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 11, 2023 10:08:30 GMT -5
HOw are they defining "dressed in drag"? Does this mean a transwoman is breaking the law if she's going to work in her typical appropriate for the office wardrobe? Men in drag (to me) are usually wearing exaggerated female makeup and clothing. Not everyday women's busines or work clothes. I'm betting that the definition of drag will include Trans women dressed for work and gay guys who wear their jeans too tight
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 11, 2023 10:13:31 GMT -5
Sorry, the telegraph has a good article ..... didn't realise you couldn't see it www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11800751/Sex-education-suspended-Isle-Man-school-drag-queen-tells-pupil-73-genders.htmlHere is a slightly less good article on the same thing. I have..... and we go weekly to drag bingo...... Its good fun but not for kids. Its a good point......... but why set yourself up for this in the first place? What is the agenda here? This is what I mean about it being political. We have all managed to be educated without drag queens or any other adult entertainers coming in to our Schools ......... and still grown up reasonably well balanced. So who is pushing this and why? If you grew up thinking drag queens are evil I would challenge the idea that you grew up well balanced.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 11, 2023 10:17:37 GMT -5
You seem to have gone for the personal attack rather than discuss the issues. I'm a good person too ...... certainly not intolerant. and I go and spend time with drag queens every week. Just pointing out that they are adult entertainers (which I love in the right setting) ..... but they are not best fitted for Schools. In night clubs they are adult entertainment. In the classroom they are flamboyant individuals reading children's books.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 12, 2023 2:55:17 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda.
Nowhere did I ever say that drag queens are evil. I like going to the shows.
I'm concerned about the adult entertainment side
I'm concerned that the addition of kink and fetish to pride marches makes it less family friendly
and I'm concerned that when a drag queen was invited into School it went very badly.
All of which are valid points.
and I'm a teacher ........ and am going to protect kids with my last breathe.
Yes kiddie beauty contests should be banned..... but that's kind of deflecting
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 12, 2023 9:40:59 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda. Nowhere did I ever say that drag queens are evil. I like going to the shows. I'm concerned about the adult entertainment side I'm concerned that the addition of kink and fetish to pride marches makes it less family friendly and I'm concerned that when a drag queen was invited into School it went very badly. All of which are valid points. and I'm a teacher ........ and am going to protect kids with my last breathe. Yes kiddie beauty contests should be banned..... but that's kind of deflecting It's not defecting. It's parents of young girls dressing them up as twenty a year olds to win prizes. The parents are grooming their own daughters. And there is no national conservative outrage over it.
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Post by saveinla on Mar 12, 2023 9:55:48 GMT -5
I saw this meme yesterday and thought of this thread.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 12, 2023 10:02:43 GMT -5
Yep here’s your Lt Gov. Tenn - trying to apologize for liking and commenting on a gay young man’s social media account (where the young man is often nearly naked). www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162469186/tennessee-lt-gov-randy-mcnally-lgbtq-gay-commenting-instagram-photosReminds me of that state politician who was caught paying off a GF’s abortion while he was running his mouth about making abortions illegal (DeWitt? DeWinter?) GOP motto: doesn’t matter what you do IRL as long as you pretend to be a Christian man in front of your constituents.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 13, 2023 13:09:25 GMT -5
Parents didn't want their children exposed to this inappropriate person....... that's the point and they didn't get a choice. That's why the program has been suspended. This is someone forcing an agenda on to vulnerable children..... in a School. As an educator, I'm aware of requests from all sorts of people want to get in to Schools to indoctrinate.The answer is invariably no, we stick to the curriculum. So what went wrong here I don't even know. This is interesting - because a big part of any education systems is to indoctrinate children with societal and cultural norms. Indocrination IS part of the Curriculum. (Do you not think the school text books chosen to teach from are not biased in some way ) I get it - Drag Queens are entertainers and generally entertain adult audiences. I remember going to a Las Vegas show with drag queens impersonating famous singers and actresses from Cher and Dolly Parton and Marilyn Monroe to Michael Jackson (there were some other male actors represented but I can't remember who they were...). The show itself wasn't particularly sexy or vulgar - it was just "bigger than life" with lighting and costuming and singing and dancing. I don't think Drag Queens are selling "sex" anymore than typical Pop singers (all the genres of music) are on stage. There's a lot of crotch grabbing these days... I'm guessing Miley Cyrus could read books to children in a public school/library - but a Drag Queen can't? I'm not gay and so far Miley Cyrus hasn't made me want to have sex with her. FWIW: by the time the kids are in HS they will probably be exposed to Drag Queens in one way or another. Maybe a little indoctrination that they are entertainers and mostly benign as far as entertainers go would be a good thing. It might help them "humanize" them when faced with any future "dehumanization" they run into. Cause, you know, even drag queens were little kids once, someone loves them (mom, dad, sibling, friends, other relatives, their pet) And they love and care for someone else themselves (mom, dad, sibling, friends, other relatives, their pet). They have a lot of the same life experiences as everyone else. They are human just like everyone else. Maybe that's the indoctrination part of it... to show that even a Drag Queen is human and has a "family" and has a life filled with everyday stuff and everyday people and that they too can be kind and compassionate.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 13, 2023 13:29:21 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda. Nowhere did I ever say that drag queens are evil. I like going to the shows. I'm concerned about the adult entertainment side I'm concerned that the addition of kink and fetish to pride marches makes it less family friendly and I'm concerned that when a drag queen was invited into School it went very badly. All of which are valid points. and I'm a teacher ........ and am going to protect kids with my last breathe. Yes kiddie beauty contests should be banned..... but that's kind of deflecting Have you every been to pride? I'm going to bet the answer I no. And why should we ban all drag queens because of one bad one? If that were true, we wouldn't have any police officers either. If you want to protect kids, ban churches.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 13, 2023 14:41:57 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda. Nowhere did I ever say that drag queens are evil. I like going to the shows. I'm concerned about the adult entertainment side I'm concerned that the addition of kink and fetish to pride marches makes it less family friendly
and I'm concerned that when a drag queen was invited into School it went very badly. All of which are valid points. and I'm a teacher ........ and am going to protect kids with my last breathe. Yes kiddie beauty contests should be banned..... but that's kind of deflecting Lots of fetish and kink at Montreal Pride. People still bring their kids. Lots of kids. If you don't like it, don't bring YOUR kids.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Mar 13, 2023 14:46:30 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda. Nowhere did I ever say that drag queens are evil. I like going to the shows. I'm concerned about the adult entertainment side I'm concerned that the addition of kink and fetish to pride marches makes it less family friendly and I'm concerned that when a drag queen was invited into School it went very badly. All of which are valid points. and I'm a teacher ........ and am going to protect kids with my last breathe. Yes kiddie beauty contests should be banned..... but that's kind of deflecting Have you every been to pride? I'm going to bet the answer I no. And why should we ban all drag queens because of one bad one? If that were true, we wouldn't have any police officers either. If you want to protect kids, ban churches. Hell yeah! I don't recall massive outrage and a flurry of laws being passed in regard to church leaders (regardless of denomination) and their sexual interaction with children. IMO that is a far, far worse offense than drag story time.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 13, 2023 15:08:28 GMT -5
Yes many times....... I've seen it too How do you begin to explain gimp masks, leather and chains with (their arses hanging out) to innocent kids Why would you even do that? We all like sparkles, rainbows and glamour but this stuff is alienating to a lot of people. Kind of shot themselves in the foot is the organisers want this to be family friendly.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 13, 2023 15:49:03 GMT -5
Have you every been to pride? I'm going to bet the answer I no. And why should we ban all drag queens because of one bad one? If that were true, we wouldn't have any police officers either. If you want to protect kids, ban churches. Hell yeah! I don't recall massive outrage and a flurry of laws being passed in regard to church leaders (regardless of denomination) and their sexual interaction with children. IMO that is a far, far worse offense than drag story time. Heck, I never saw any outrage or a flurry of laws being passed in regard to the anti abortionists lining a busy surburban street holding up HUGE gory pictures/signs of what I guess were aborted feotuses? Or HUGE images of photoshopped newborns cut up like chickens. Thousands of vehicles went past this. Some even got stopped by stop light and got an eyeful of similiar disturbing images that were at eye level for those in cars. I guess only adults ride in cars and look out the windows. I've seen this kind of stuff MANY times over the decades. I do remember there being some complaint about this because parents had school aged children in their vehicles and had to cope with trying to explain this to their children.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 13, 2023 15:57:33 GMT -5
How do you begin to explain gimp masks, leather and chains with (their arses hanging out) to innocent kids The same way you explain domestic violence, inappropriate touching, not to pick up syringes in the park or from the sidewalk, how to choose WHICH adult to look to for help (when hurt or lost or at school), how to be nice to the kid in school who has a parent with mental health issues or an addiction, where babies come from, death (when a relative, or parent, or school friend dies), and well you get the idea... You have to explain all sorts of unpleasant "life" things to children that's part of being a parent. That's part of a child "growing up". (please tell me you are not my parents - who's explanation for anything uncomfortable was "why would you ask me that? " or "stop being funny" or "be quiet!" or "don't make me slap you into next week". Because while that "preserves innocence" it doesn't really create an environment where one's parents are useful for anything more than a "roof over your head and food on the table". )
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