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Post by Opti on Mar 5, 2023 8:43:02 GMT -5
Because they are adult entertainers purporting adult themes? Or they were last time I saw a drag show. We have had a bit of trouble with drag queens being invited in to school for childrens story time ....... and the sessions being inappropriate. I guess the School leaders thought they were being "all inclusive" .... but with this freedom comes responsibility. and adult entertainers don't belong in Schools. I'd like to understand what about the sessions were inappropriate in your opinion. I was thinking that major league cheerleaders in the NFL dress sexy and are seen by children on TV and sometimes in person. What makes drag shows or drag story hour worse? From the Superbowl, pic of Kansas City Chiefs cheerleaders.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 5, 2023 9:33:20 GMT -5
If this is a response to drag queen story hour in libraries and schools it is an example of extreme overreach and misrepresentation of intent. They did not ban drag queen story hour in schools and libraries, they banned drag queens everywhere a child might be, and banned gay pride parades entirely. It is like they a children afraid they might get cooties from another kid in class. "... banned gay pride parades entirely"? It does?: wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=SB0003&ga=113
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Post by Opti on Mar 5, 2023 9:38:48 GMT -5
Not a subscriber so all I could see was the comment about 73 genders. I haven't been to a drag show but I don't believe there are discussions about 73 genders there. There are always inappropriate people because people in general can be inappropriate and run roughshod over boundaries. So that performer should be banned from appearing in schools. They don't ban teachers when a teacher becomes sexually involved with a student. The teacher is fired and charged with laws they have broken. Not sure why this needs to be different.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 5, 2023 9:51:23 GMT -5
It's behind a pay wall, so you may want to post a different link if you want people to read it. Also, you know gender is fluid, right? Not everyone fits into a box although you sound like some of the ignorant people who think they should. If a parent wants their child exposed to all kinds of people, that is their right. If they don't, that is also their right. We all have the right to believe what we believe. We don't have the right to impose our beliefs onto others and take their rights away. Do better.
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Post by Opti on Mar 5, 2023 9:57:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure where you see politics in all this. If someone's opinion is that 73 genders exist is political, so is the opinion that there are two genders a political statement. Therefore it is already political if that is part of your argument. The anal sex thing is inappropriate to me but not political, but I'm not a conservative in England.
If the performer started telling them to vote Labour Party that would be political and inappropriate, but again, real simple fix. Ban the performer.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 5, 2023 10:24:40 GMT -5
It's behind a pay wall, so you may want to post a different link if you want people to read it. Also, you know gender is fluid, right? Not everyone fits into a box although you sound like some of the ignorant people who think they should. If a parent wants their child exposed to all kinds of people, that is their right. If they don't, that is also their right. We all have the right to believe what we believe. We don't have the right to impose our beliefs onto others and take their rights away. Do better. FWIW, a person who claims there are 73 genders is also putting people into boxes, a lot of boxes but boxes none-the-less.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 5, 2023 11:22:59 GMT -5
Sorry, the telegraph has a good article ..... didn't realise you couldn't see it www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11800751/Sex-education-suspended-Isle-Man-school-drag-queen-tells-pupil-73-genders.htmlHere is a slightly less good article on the same thing. I have..... and we go weekly to drag bingo...... Its good fun but not for kids. Its a good point......... but why set yourself up for this in the first place? What is the agenda here? This is what I mean about it being political. We have all managed to be educated without drag queens or any other adult entertainers coming in to our Schools ......... and still grown up reasonably well balanced. So who is pushing this and why?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 5, 2023 11:32:32 GMT -5
Parents didn't want their children exposed to this inappropriate person....... that's the point
and they didn't get a choice.
That's why the program has been suspended.
This is someone forcing an agenda on to vulnerable children..... in a School.
As an educator, I'm aware of requests from all sorts of people want to get in to Schools to indoctrinate.
The answer is invariably no, we stick to the curriculum. So what went wrong here I don't even know.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 5, 2023 14:21:41 GMT -5
i can't see why not, candidly. why do we want to shelter our kids from reality? it is not like these men and women are f(*king them or anything.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 5, 2023 14:23:00 GMT -5
Parents didn't want their children exposed to this inappropriate person....... that's the point and they didn't get a choice. That's why the program has been suspended. This is someone forcing an agenda on to vulnerable children..... in a School. As an educator, I'm aware of requests from all sorts of people want to get in to Schools to indoctrinate.The answer is invariably no, we stick to the curriculum. So what went wrong here I don't even know. indoctrinate? why that? why not warn? seriously. hiding shit from kids is not healthy, imo. they should be exposed and EDUCATED. that is what schools used to do, right? what do they do now, if not teach?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 5, 2023 14:53:51 GMT -5
Parents didn't want their children exposed to this inappropriate person....... that's the point and they didn't get a choice. That's why the program has been suspended. This is someone forcing an agenda on to vulnerable children..... in a School. As an educator, I'm aware of requests from all sorts of people want to get in to Schools to indoctrinate.The answer is invariably no, we stick to the curriculum. So what went wrong here I don't even know. indoctrinate? why that? why not warn? seriously. hiding shit from kids is not healthy, imo. they should be exposed and EDUCATED. that is what schools used to do, right? what do they do now, if not teach? I have a few books on my shelf back from a time when the curriculum itself was indoctrination delivered by the teachers. Teaching as a Subversive Activity is a noteworthy one.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 5, 2023 15:38:35 GMT -5
There is a full curriculum to teach. English/Maths/Science/Geography/History/Languages etc ... and exams to pass.
Anything else you may teach would be part of a written program......ie..... Currently doing:- online safety, bullying and well-being.
You would have the opportunity to go off script, I suppose,....but you would be risking your career as soon as the kids went home and told their parents..... and if it was really bad you could be struck off. but School has a broad and balanced curriculum which will be seen by the inspectors.
In any case, if teachers were to teach their own political beliefs....... Who is to say they are right. Who is to say that anyone's political beliefs are the right ones. We all have our own interpretations and that's the nature of democracy.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 5, 2023 16:08:44 GMT -5
There is a full curriculum to teach. English/Maths/Science/Geography/History/Languages etc ... and exams to pass. Anything else you may teach would be part of a written program......ie..... Currently doing:- online safety, bullying and well-being. You would have the opportunity to go off script, I suppose,....but you would be risking your career as soon as the kids went home and told their parents..... and if it was really bad you could be struck off. but School has a broad and balanced curriculum which will be seen by the inspectors. In any case, if teachers were to teach their own political beliefs....... Who is to say they are right. Who is to say that anyone's political beliefs are the right ones. We all have our own interpretations and that's the nature of democracy. Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich is a great look at how we need to do away with schooling, which is what you are describing, and instead educate students.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 5, 2023 17:07:57 GMT -5
Went to a local production of Spamalot Friday. Had the upcoming new July law about people performing in drag been in affect, the show would have been shut down because there were a couple of early teens there with their parents. They were not of age.
One male performer was dressed as a woman for part of the musical.
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Post by Opti on Mar 5, 2023 17:11:53 GMT -5
Went to a local production of Spamalot Friday. Had the upcoming new July law about people performing in drag been in affect, the show would have been shut down because there were a couple of early teens there with their parents. They were not of age. One male performer was dressed as a woman for part of the musical. I'm wondering how this is going to work. Flip Wilson had Geraldine as a regular character back in the 1970s. Monty Python used to dress up as women in their skits but not sexy women. I think the governor wants to target sexily dressed drag queens but did not put enough thought into crafting the bill. Did you enjoy Spamalot?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 5, 2023 17:18:47 GMT -5
Went to a local production of Spamalot Friday. Had the upcoming new July law about people performing in drag been in affect, the show would have been shut down because there were a couple of early teens there with their parents. They were not of age. One male performer was dressed as a woman for part of the musical. I'm wondering how this is going to work. Flip Wilson had Geraldine as a regular character back in the 1970s. Monty Python used to dress up as women in their skits but not sexy women. I think the governor wants to target sexily dressed drag queens but did not put enough thought into crafting the bill. Did you enjoy Spamalot? I did enjoy it. The law is somewhat vaguely written which leaves it open to individual interpretation and possible prosecution. In past Pride Day parades in Memphis, drag queens were always part of it. Now the drag queens wondrrer if they can even participate in the parade because children will be at the parade with their parents who supports the gay community here.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Mar 5, 2023 17:57:23 GMT -5
We have an annual race supporting Hospice where men dress in drag and high heels.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 5, 2023 18:05:49 GMT -5
There is a full curriculum to teach. English/Maths/Science/Geography/History/Languages etc ... and exams to pass.. no Social Studies? no humanities? no cultural studies? what narrow people we are becoming. how small. how unfortunate.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 5, 2023 18:07:06 GMT -5
Went to a local production of Spamalot Friday. Had the upcoming new July law about people performing in drag been in affect, the show would have been shut down because there were a couple of early teens there with their parents. They were not of age. One male performer was dressed as a woman for part of the musical. during Shakespeare's time, all female roles were covered by men. we seemed to have survived it OK.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 5, 2023 18:39:10 GMT -5
Went to a local production of Spamalot Friday. Had the upcoming new July law about people performing in drag been in affect, the show would have been shut down because there were a couple of early teens there with their parents. They were not of age. One male performer was dressed as a woman for part of the musical. during Shakespeare's time, all female roles were covered by men. we seemed to have survived it OK. Shakespeare didn't live in Tennessee, home of the Scopes Monkey Trial and more, much more.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 5, 2023 19:53:58 GMT -5
I'm wondering how this is going to work. Flip Wilson had Geraldine as a regular character back in the 1970s. Monty Python used to dress up as women in their skits but not sexy women. I think the governor wants to target sexily dressed drag queens but did not put enough thought into crafting the bill. Did you enjoy Spamalot? I did enjoy it. The law is somewhat vaguely written which leaves it open to individual interpretation and possible prosecution. In past Pride Day parades in Memphis, drag queens were always part of it. Now the drag queens wondrrer if they can even participate in the parade because children will be at the parade with their parents who supports the gay community here. I think a huge turnout both in the parade and along the route of males in traditionally female attire is what is called for this year. And there will be the need for individuals to risk being arrested:
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 5, 2023 23:38:16 GMT -5
I did enjoy it. The law is somewhat vaguely written which leaves it open to individual interpretation and possible prosecution. In past Pride Day parades in Memphis, drag queens were always part of it. Now the drag queens wondrrer if they can even participate in the parade because children will be at the parade with their parents who supports the gay community here. I think a huge turnout both in the parade and along the route of males in traditionally female attire is what is called for this year. And there will be the need for individuals to risk being arrested: I don't see that as a problem (individuals willing to be arrested) in Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville and Chattanooga and a few other smaller cities.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 6, 2023 0:11:08 GMT -5
Well, wouldn't surprise me if Indiana follows that nonsense. Pence tried to get a bunch of laws passed here and some did about gays. Several big corporations that were set to come to Indiana decided not to, several of their wheels were gay, said they didn't need that. We lost a lot under him, he would not have gotten re elected. We have a lot of problems here with christian groups, and all kinds of gun groups.
We are hurting as a country and I don't see it getting better. Why can't people live and let live? People trying to jam their beliefs down each others throats.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 6, 2023 0:19:25 GMT -5
I did enjoy it. The law is somewhat vaguely written which leaves it open to individual interpretation and possible prosecution. In past Pride Day parades in Memphis, drag queens were always part of it. Now the drag queens wondrrer if they can even participate in the parade because children will be at the parade with their parents who supports the gay community here. I think a huge turnout both in the parade and along the route of males in traditionally female attire is what is called for this year. And there will be the need for individuals to risk being arrested: And I was right (at least for Memphis). Memphis drag queens say they will not comply with new billMEMPHIS, Tenn. (WMC) - Memphis drag queens announce they will not comply with Tennessee’s new bill targeting “male or female” impersonators, at first Rainbow Brunch since bill was signed into law. “If they tell me I can no longer march in pride, I will not comply,” said Bella DuBalle. “If they tell me I can not go out in public as my nonbinary, authentic self--I will not comply.” DuBalle said they will not comply if they’re told not to allow minors into their shows, either. Because the shows are not sexual in any way—or what the bill describes as “prurient.” Tennessee State Senate Minority Leader Raumesh Akbari told Action News 5 she’s been to Atomic Rose’s drag brunch a few times, and never seen anything she deemed inappropriate to children. “I thoroughly enjoyed it,” Akbari said. “It was really a fun source of entertainment and a diverse place for people to gather.” DuBalle also laid into Tennessee Governor Bill Lee at Sunday’s Rainbow Brunch by stating the form of entertainment will not be erased. “We have been doing public drag in Tennessee for 50 years,” DuBalle told the crowd of all ages. “We are not going anywhere.” Governor Lee has repeatedly said the bill is to protect kids. “Sexualized entertainment in front of children and obscenity for children is something that doesn’t have a place in Tennessee,” Governor Lee said at an event in Memphis Wednesday. Action News 5 emailed the governor’s office multiple times to ask if drag entertainers have been charged with harming minors in Tennessee. He was not gotten back to us yet. The bill is scheduled to go into effect on April 1. DuBalle said they plan to have a large, public drag show that day in spite of it. Memphis drag queens say they will not comply with new bill
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 6, 2023 0:22:31 GMT -5
Well, wouldn't surprise me if Indiana follows that nonsense. Pence tried to get a bunch of laws passed here and some did about gays. Several big corporations that were set to come to Indiana decided not to, several of their wheels were gay, said they didn't need that. We lost a lot under him, he would not have gotten re elected. We have a lot of problems here with christian groups, and all kinds of gun groups. We are hurting as a country and I don't see it getting better. Why can't people live and let live? People trying to jam their beliefs down each others throats. If I remember correctly, pence's approval rating as governor was in the 40%-ish range when Trump tapped him for his vice president.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 6, 2023 1:21:16 GMT -5
What we need to do is find the women who have some traditionally male qualities - broad shoulders, etc, and get drag queens to use their powers to put those women in drag and go into public. If they get arrested, then we can demand Tammy Faye Baker style Christian women get arrested also.
I don’t understand parents who don’t want to expose their kids to different people. Those kids will eventually go out into the world and they will have no coping skills. I tried to expose my kids to as much as I could, so I could be there to talk to them. It ended up that they didn’t care if people were different, so there wasn’t a whole lot of talking to do. As long as they understood the concept, they were cool.
I have told this story before, when my kids were between 3 and 6 (I guess) we got stuck in traffic leaving pride while we were out doing something else. There were a couple drag queens on a float and they started waving to my kids, and my kids were so excited. She was so sparkly and joyous - like a cartoon unicorn or (as I often call them) human disco balls. It was exciting. I often think I should go down to the pride parade just to see them again. (Pride is held less than a mile from my house.)
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Post by countrygirl2 on Mar 6, 2023 13:29:45 GMT -5
It's been a long time but I and others went to a drag show on Printers Alley in Nashville. I had the time of my life at that, it was awesome. I didn't know some men could end up that beautiful. It had to be really controversial then as this was in the 70's.
My husband worried about our kids getting exposed to drugs and stuff when we moved to the city. I did not, like others, they needed to learn to live with everyone. And drugs are worse here than some cities. They finally after the 10 years I've been here were able to get 2 druggies sentenced to 40 and 30 years respectively just a couple weeks back. They got them on other charges, I'm sure they worked on it for years. But we are rural and it was hard to get it done. So don't tell me about the problems in cities. I'm betting some of these very religious kids were going there.
Best thing we did, my kids are color blind. My son served in the military for 10 years. He had a Korean wife and now a Russian wife, he has a Puerto Rican BIL and friends from everywhere, all ethnic back grounds. He works for the DOD now, so it's that way for him. We all live in this world, we are all people, we all have different beliefs, we need to get closer instead of getting further apart. The insulated community here I grew up in does have a bit more diversity but I think only because we just have a sprinkling of minorities. We have chinese, arab, hispanic, and Indian but most are store owners or restaurant owners and some black minorities here too. But I'm betting if a lot more moved in you would see that ugly hate rise up again. I hope not.
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Post by swamp on Mar 6, 2023 14:42:54 GMT -5
Can someone please tell me where Pat on SNL would fall under this law?
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Post by swamp on Mar 6, 2023 14:46:03 GMT -5
What we need to do is find the women who have some traditionally male qualities - broad shoulders, etc, and get drag queens to use their powers to put those women in drag and go into public. If they get arrested, then we can demand Tammy Faye Baker style Christian women get arrested also. I don’t understand parents who don’t want to expose their kids to different people. Those kids will eventually go out into the world and they will have no coping skills. I tried to expose my kids to as much as I could, so I could be there to talk to them. It ended up that they didn’t care if people were different, so there wasn’t a whole lot of talking to do. As long as they understood the concept, they were cool. I have told this story before, when my kids were between 3 and 6 (I guess) we got stuck in traffic leaving pride while we were out doing something else. There were a couple drag queens on a float and they started waving to my kids, and my kids were so excited. She was so sparkly and joyous - like a cartoon unicorn or (as I often call them) human disco balls. It was exciting. I often think I should go down to the pride parade just to see them again. (Pride is held less than a mile from my house.) I also did this. My kids are now basically cool with everyone. As long as you are nice to them, they don't give a rats patootie what you look like, what you wear, or who you sleep with. Well, scratch that. DD will judge the hell out of you for wearing unflattering or ugly clothes. She's 15. About 6 years ago I took my kids to Key West, so they would have been 10 and 9. They thought the drag queens were a hoot.
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