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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 13, 2023 16:08:56 GMT -5
Yes many times....... I've seen it too How do you begin to explain gimp masks, leather and chains with (their arses hanging out) to innocent kids Why would you even do that? We all like sparkles, rainbows and glamour but this stuff is alienating to a lot of people. Kind of shot themselves in the foot is the organisers want this to be family friendly. Up to now, there have been zero suprises at gay pride parades. Parents who bring their children know exactly what they and their kids will see pass by.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 13, 2023 18:01:09 GMT -5
... How do you begin to explain gimp masks, leather and chains with (their arses hanging out) to innocent kids To innocent kids? "It is a silly adult dress-up game."
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 13, 2023 19:07:10 GMT -5
Yes many times....... I've seen it too How do you begin to explain gimp masks, leather and chains with (their arses hanging out) to innocent kids Why would you even do that? We all like sparkles, rainbows and glamour but this stuff is alienating to a lot of people. Kind of shot themselves in the foot is the organisers want this to be family friendly. You explain it by people liking to dress up. Do you go into a tizzy if your kids see asses at the beach? Asses aren't special....we ll have one. Our Premiers and Prime Ministers go to Pride parades. They even bring their kids. If you fid it upsetting, don't go. Evidently, millions of people are fine with parades all over the world. Like I said, our parades are littered with children and they even have their own floats.
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Post by swamp on Mar 13, 2023 19:24:06 GMT -5
Yes many times....... I've seen it too How do you begin to explain gimp masks, leather and chains with (their arses hanging out) to innocent kids Why would you even do that? We all like sparkles, rainbows and glamour but this stuff is alienating to a lot of people. Kind of shot themselves in the foot is the organisers want this to be family friendly. You explain them by saying, “they like to wear that stuff, the same way you like to wear sweatpants.” you’re welcome.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 13, 2023 23:00:29 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda. Nowhere did I ever say that drag queens are evil. I like going to the shows. I'm concerned about the adult entertainment side I'm concerned that the addition of kink and fetish to pride marches makes it less family friendly and I'm concerned that when a drag queen was invited into School it went very badly. All of which are valid points. and I'm a teacher ........ and am going to protect kids with my last breathe. Yes kiddie beauty contests should be banned..... but that's kind of deflecting There seems to be documentation of one time a single drag queen was inappropriate- but is that isolated or representative? I am sure we could all find a single example of something horrific, but agree that we don’t need to punish the entire community. Unless I am missing vast amounts of evidence that drag queens are often doing inappropriate stuff, it seems like an overreaction. Basically, we are back to the one bad apple theory. Not all cops are racist murderers, but we have more than a handful of examples, but we can’t convince society that we need drastic, comprehensive changes to police departments. We have literally hundreds of thousands of examples of religious leaders being sexually abusive, but we haven’t made taking children to church illegal. Why is a single (or maybe you have more documented incidences for me) isolated shitty drag queen become the catalyst for a huge, drastic sweeping removal of freedoms and rights? Why not just a little law that has a child advocate present at any drag queen story hour and they can shut down any anal-sex talk. Why not define what is inappropriate for drag queens to say? Why not a law that children can only attend story time at the library with a parent (or legal guardian) and that parent can yank that kid if it is something inappropriate? Why do we have to go all the way declaring any drag queen ever akin to porn and strippers?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2023 0:45:02 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda. Nowhere did I ever say that drag queens are evil. I like going to the shows. I'm concerned about the adult entertainment side I'm concerned that the addition of kink and fetish to pride marches makes it less family friendly and I'm concerned that when a drag queen was invited into School it went very badly. All of which are valid points. and I'm a teacher ........ and am going to protect kids with my last breathe. Yes kiddie beauty contests should be banned..... but that's kind of deflecting There seems to be documentation of one time a single drag queen was inappropriate- but is that isolated or representative? I am sure we could all find a single example of something horrific, but agree that we don’t need to punish the entire community. Unless I am missing vast amounts of evidence that drag queens are often doing inappropriate stuff, it seems like an overreaction. Basically, we are back to the one bad apple theory. Not all cops are racist murderers, but we have more than a handful of examples, but we can’t convince society that we need drastic, comprehensive changes to police departments. We have literally hundreds of thousands of examples of religious leaders being sexually abusive, but we haven’t made taking children to church illegal. Why is a single (or maybe you have more documented incidences for me) isolated shitty drag queen become the catalyst for a huge, drastic sweeping removal of freedoms and rights? Why not just a little law that has a child advocate present at any drag queen story hour and they can shut down any anal-sex talk. Why not define what is inappropriate for drag queens to say? Why not a law that children can only attend story time at the library with a parent (or legal guardian) and that parent can yank that kid if it is something inappropriate? Why do we have to go all the way declaring any drag queen ever akin to porn and strippers? Because it is a Republican thing and they want to be elected/reelected.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 14, 2023 12:13:25 GMT -5
We teach kids about the birds and the bees ... and give them some skills to be able to make good choices with relationships as they grow in to maturity.
We don't teach them about bondage.
Let them be kids, for heavens sake, where all they have to think about is cotton candy and barbie dolls.
So no, I have been to pride myself but would not be taking children.
As for it being a Republican viewpoint, I wouldn't know anything about that. Both our main parties are to the left of the US ones so it wouldn't apply in my case
I think its just common sense. tbh
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 14, 2023 12:43:05 GMT -5
Yes many times....... I've seen it too How do you begin to explain gimp masks, leather and chains with (their arses hanging out) to innocent kids Why would you even do that? We all like sparkles, rainbows and glamour but this stuff is alienating to a lot of people. Kind of shot themselves in the foot is the organisers want this to be family friendly. You explain them by saying, “they like to wear that stuff, the same way you like to wear sweatpants.” you’re welcome. No you explain it as "You know that one time you heard daddy yelling "banana" in the bedroom? Let's talk about safety words."
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 14, 2023 12:45:29 GMT -5
We teach kids about the birds and the bees ... and give them some skills to be able to make good choices with relationships as they grow in to maturity. We don't teach them about bondage. Let them be kids, for heavens sake, where all they have to think about is cotton candy and barbie dolls. So no, I have been to pride myself but would not be taking children. As for it being a Republican viewpoint, I wouldn't know anything about that. Both our main parties are to the left of the US ones so it wouldn't apply in my case I think its just common sense. tbh Little kids don't even know what bondage is. You would have to teach it to them. I bet if I ask my 3 yo (4 yo tomorrow ❤️) grandbaby what that is and pointed to a harness, he'd probably say a belt or some other article of clothing. Your argument is really just semantics. Can't part of what we teach them about being good people be about accepting those that may be different than they are? I find accepting people to be decent humans which is really the goal, right? Also, I hate to break it to you, but the world is not all cotton candy and barbie dolls. It's quite the opposite. We need to be teaching them how to handle real life. On an age appropriate level of course. You say you've been to pride but would never take a child. That's your right. You have a right to believe what you believe. So do I. I would take my child to pride. As a parent, that's my right. If you don't like it, mind your business.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 14, 2023 13:23:32 GMT -5
We teach kids about the birds and the bees ... and give them some skills to be able to make good choices with relationships as they grow in to maturity. We don't teach them about bondage. Let them be kids, for heavens sake, where all they have to think about is cotton candy and barbie dolls. So no, I have been to pride myself but would not be taking children. As for it being a Republican viewpoint, I wouldn't know anything about that. Both our main parties are to the left of the US ones so it wouldn't apply in my case I think its just common sense. tbh Drag Queens at Story Hour don't teach kids about bondage. If you're talking about Pride Parades, and these things offend your delicate sensibilities, DON'T GO, and don't bring your kids.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 14, 2023 13:27:01 GMT -5
How do you explain leather and chains? "They're playing dress-up!"
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Post by grumpyhermit on Mar 14, 2023 13:34:26 GMT -5
It sounds like there was ONE incident with a particular drag queen that is triggering this reaction.
In general I would tend to agree, that it may not be a good idea to invite a drag queen to school, if only because there is a good chance some of the parents would freak out. While I disagree with the notion that drag queens are sexual deviants that need to be kept from children, if a parent doesn't want to expose their children to them, that's their right.
I still think these types of events should be available via public venues for people that want to opt in. Banning them wholesale is bullshit.
Regarding pride, bring your kid or don't, I don't care. However, I disagree with the idea that pride should be sanitized for family friendly engagement. It was born out of a protest movement, the fact that it is in your face is part of the point of it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 14, 2023 19:03:13 GMT -5
I don't know about there, but here, all the drag queen story hours need parental permission. If you don't want your child exposed to that. don't sign the permission slip. Then listen to all the whining. "The other kids went and had so much fun! Why couldn't I go?" That will be more difficult to explain than explaining a dtag queen. 'Because I said so!?"
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 14, 2023 19:38:47 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda. Nowhere did I ever say that drag queens are evil. I like going to the shows. I'm concerned about the adult entertainment side I'm concerned that the addition of kink and fetish to pride marches makes it less family friendly and I'm concerned that when a drag queen was invited into School it went very badly. All of which are valid points. and I'm a teacher ........ and am going to protect kids with my last breathe. Yes kiddie beauty contests should be banned..... but that's kind of deflecting As others have said, it's the selective banning of all drag queens because you don't like what one did. Not all drag queens do vulgar shows. So make that part of the requirement to do shows in schools, no sexual vulgarity. As someone else mentioned I don't see an outrage to ban Priests from being around kids. And it has been proven that a large number of priests molested children, not just one that did a show you apparently disapprove of. You are practicing selective outrage. It's like I read on a FB meme the other day, in all the years To Catch a Predatory has been on they have caught hundreds of businessmen, doctors, mechanics etc but not one Drag Queen. Honestly I don't really care if Drag Queens read books to kids or not. But I'm really disgusted by your hypocrisy.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 14, 2023 19:48:41 GMT -5
Another personal attack by someone who doesn't read my posts ........... and misrepresents me to suit their own their own agenda. You did say "We have all managed to be educated without drag queens or any other adult entertainers coming in to our Schools ......... and still grown up reasonably well balanced." I stand by challenging the idea that you grew up to be well balanced. If you don't want your character to be commented on I recommend you don't use it to try to prove your argument. That makes it fair game. Honestly the more I read of your views here the more concerned I am with you indoctrinating children than any guests the school invites in.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 14, 2023 19:52:39 GMT -5
There have actually been more cases, MANY more cases, of teachers molesting children than Drag Queens molesting children.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 14, 2023 20:26:00 GMT -5
Given that so many kids grow up with parents who are either too busy or too dysfunctional even to do a good job of parenting (not to mention spending time reading), and given also that the demands on teachers or librarians are generally higher than they should be to effectively handle so many children, shouldn't we celebrate when just about ANYBODY wants to come in and read to kids? If they can make it entertaining too...so much the better.
And yes, the selective outrage based solely on personal biases is tiresome....
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 15, 2023 17:49:17 GMT -5
i certainly have made no personal attacks, here.
though it HAS caused me to question the priorities of the British School System.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 15, 2023 17:55:12 GMT -5
Nobody has made any personal attacks. She just keeps calling "personal attack" when the fault in her logic is proven. Over and over.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 4:20:22 GMT -5
Really? " I would challenge the idea that you grew up well balanced.".......... so I'm not well balanced? ie a personal attack............ no, perfectly sane and sensible here. " the more concerned I am with you indoctrinating children" ......... so I'm indoctrinating children? ie a personal attack...... just because I raised a few issues with children being around bondage and fetish? Unbelievable. On the contrary I have to wonder why you think its OK? " though it HAS caused me to question the priorities of the British School System."....... Really?........ What about the US education system? You don't have a point of moral superiority here on which to stand. " priests molested children,"......... Never said they didn't, another deflection though. " But I'm really disgusted by your hypocrisy."......... Really?........... Im not the one being hypocritcal, I'm saying don't over sexualise kids let them grow up. I would have thought that the position of a responsible adult. ie Don't have children around bondage and try and pretend that its "dress up".. to lie about it...........What complete nonsense! That picture Welts put up, will the small girl holding the lead of someone in full bondage "puppy" attire ... (where he crawls along the floor) is a concern..... and if it isn't I'm wondering why you would think it OK They are demonstrating a different type of sexuality... and personally, I don't care what people do in privacy ............... but why do kids need to see sexuality at all? So desperate to be seen as Liberal and Diverse ... that you would ignore something that staring you right in the face. (Oh we are going out today kids, but instead of the park we are going to see some Bondage)
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 4:46:46 GMT -5
We have Carribbean carnivals here, not sure if you have the same..... Its bright and colourful with music and floats, a lovely family day out..... and nothing that would cause a parent concern about content, so it can be done. Then there's the Mayors parades and various cultural parades. Lots of things to choose from for kids.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 7:47:19 GMT -5
Really? " I would challenge the idea that you grew up well balanced.".......... so I'm not well balanced? ie a personal attack............ no, perfectly sane and sensible here. " the more concerned I am with you indoctrinating children" ......... so I'm indoctrinating children? ie a personal attack...... just because I raised a few issues with children being around bondage and fetish? Unbelievable. On the contrary I have to wonder why you think its OK? " though it HAS caused me to question the priorities of the British School System."....... Really?........ What about the US education system? You don't have a point of moral superiority here on which to stand. " priests molested children,"......... Never said they didn't, another deflection though. " But I'm really disgusted by your hypocrisy."......... Really?........... Im not the one being hypocritcal, I'm saying don't over sexualise kids let them grow up. I would have thought that the position of a responsible adult. ie Don't have children around bondage and try and pretend that its "dress up".. to lie about it...........What complete nonsense! That picture Welts put up, will the small girl holding the lead of someone in full bondage "puppy" attire ... (where he crawls along the floor) is a concern..... and if it isn't I'm wondering why you would think it OK They are demonstrating a different type of sexuality... and personally, I don't care what people do in privacy ............... but why do kids need to see sexuality at all? So desperate to be seen as Liberal and Diverse ... that you would ignore something that staring you right in the face. (Oh we are going out today kids, but instead of the park we are going to see some Bondage) Keep in mind d that I post from my phone, so I'll address it paragraph at a time. If I have to scroll up and down to read, so do you. As a person that grew up not well balanced, I don't see it as a personal attack. I was raised by people like you. I went to catholic school and attended church 3 times per week. I was taught hos to be a good Christian... Unless that person was different than the black and white version of what "Christian" meant. Doesn't mean you can't grow as a person. I have. You have to be willing to educate yourself and understand that you will not always agree with others and that's ok. You would have to be willing to open your mind however. You are indoctrinating children. Isn't that what teaching is? You're indoctrinating them with curriculum and teaching them the good, and and the ugly about history of the world aren't you? You seem to have an obsession with bondage. I'm wondering if it's not because of some kinks you just don't want to talk about. It would be OK, but I think thou doth protest a little too much. Just saying. I don't judge people do in their homes. I don't think anyone has stated that the US doesn't have flaws in education, particularly in red states. I can't speak for others, but I have my own set of morals. Doesn't make me superior to anyone. It also doesn't make them superior to me either. You are being a hypocrite. You say you go to drag shows often and pride, however it is not for children. That's your opinion. Don't take your children. I believe the opposite. You don't get to force your beliefs on me nor can I force mine on you. You are however attempting to do so..I call that hypocrisy. Bondage really is dress up and nothing more. Since you seem to be obsessed with it I ask you this. How is it different than any other costume? If the same man were wearing a fuzzy dog costume in that picture, would you be equally as outraged? I think not. A child does not know what bondage is, you would have to tell them. If you explain it is a sexual thing, that would be you sexualising children. Again, I can't speak for others, but I'm not desperate to be seen as anything. I do believe in inclusiveness in the world. When I go to pride or see a gay couple, all I see is people loving each other and celebrating that all are different. They should have that right whether you agree or not. They are just as human as you and I are. They just love differently and that's ok. Stop trying to push your narrow minded values on other people. If you don't like something, remember that it doesn't have anything to do with you and move on.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 7:51:14 GMT -5
We have Carribbean carnivals here, not sure if you have the same..... Its bright and colourful with music and floats, a lovely family day out..... and nothing that would cause a parent concern about content, so it can be done. Then there's the Mayors parades and various cultural parades. Lots of things to choose from for kids. You were saying... www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR7CSvNe/
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 8:20:20 GMT -5
That's a cheap shot. Just trying to explain the issues, which you don't seem to be aware of when stating its all about "princesses" ..... Actually its not. Yes Im an adult, I watch 18 registered films and see 18 registered shows without a second thought. Things that I wouldn't allow my children to see. This sounds naive. Yes I do too. Its not a binary issue ........... Its perfectly OK to find some things acceptable and others not. and being a Liberal doesn't mean that you lose your voice.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 8:42:18 GMT -5
That's a cheap shot. Just trying to explain the issues, which you don't seem to be aware of when stating its all about "princesses" ..... Actually its not. Yes Im an adult, I watch 18 registered films and see 18 registered shows without a second thought. Things that I wouldn't allow my children to see. This sounds naive. Yes I do too. Its not a binary issue ........... Its perfectly OK to find some things acceptable and others not. and being a Liberal doesn't mean that you lose your voice. Not cheap shot. I'm just saying that you are getting pretty worked up about what people are wearing. Why? There's this guy I know that I have ran into in public. The handful of times I've run into him happened to be at a gay bar or drag show. Before he even says hello, his first words have been "I'm not gay." OK? Neither am I, but I don’t feel the need to broadcast it to anyone. I'm quite comfortable in my own skin. I see something similar in your posts is all I'm saying. Drag queens are just like any other person dressing as any other character. If you don't see that, you need to perhaps talk to some. The only difference between them a day a Disney princess is that the person in the dress is a man. If you don't think children should see something, you have the right to believe that. Mind your business and do what you think is right. I'll do the same. You do not get to push your beliefs on others. Period. If you want to live in a black and white world, go right ahead. I chose to see all the colors around me. Also, nobody here is naive but you. You have thise very obtuse vision of things. That's fine, just keep it to yourself. Being liberal and conservative are both ok and honestly, we should all be willing to open our minds to the way others think. You choose not to. Fine, just mind your business then. You do you and I'll do me. Just don't expect me to adopt your beliefs as mine.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 8:58:58 GMT -5
You keep saying "mind your own business" but we are having a discussion on a discussion site. No discussion would ever be had if the only retort was mind your own business.
Yes not everyone who goes to gay bars is gay..... Not all gay people like the leather gear.
Again its a discussion site. We all have different points of view...... thats the whole premise.
My mind is open and I'm giving my opinion.
We don't agree ......... cest la vie.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2023 9:02:47 GMT -5
Nobody has made any personal attacks. She just keeps calling "personal attack" when the fault in her logic is proven. Over and over. I was curious to see how long it would take for her to go that route, actually. she's not going to have anyone to argue with if she keeps blocking everyone that she says is attacking her.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 10:03:33 GMT -5
You keep saying "mind your own business" but we are having a discussion on a discussion site. No discussion would ever be had if the only retort was mind your own business. Yes not everyone who goes to gay bars is gay..... Not all gay people like the leather gear. Again its a discussion site. We all have different points of view...... thats the whole premise. My mind is open and I'm giving my opinion. We don't agree ......... cest la vie. I'm talking about IRL and you know that. If not, let me clarify. You go somewhere and you see a drag queen story hour is happening and you disagree, don't go. You think children don't belong at pride, Don take yours. Do whatever you want. You don't get to tell me what I can and can't do with mine. You also don't get to decide who gets to be around my children and what they can and can't wear. That's for me to decide just is it is for you to decide when it comes to yours. That's what I mean by mind your business. Did you comprehend what I said about the person I was referring to? I understand that not all people who go to gay bars are gay. I'm going to some tomorrow. What I'm saying is that when people have secrets, they usually do a lot of trying to convince others that they don't. I wonder if that's why you are so adamant that you detest bondage. If you do some dressing up at home, it's OK. Just don't pass judgment on others because they do it in public. Your mind is not open. All you have done this whole time is try and push your beliefs on others. It's not acceptable.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 10:30:44 GMT -5
I don't.... because I have no idea what IRL means.
The difference is that this is the public arena, smack bang in the middle of our Towns and Cities. Its not someone's living room or private garden.
The public arena is everyone's business because they organisers have chosen to make it so.
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Post by swamp on Mar 17, 2023 10:44:14 GMT -5
Furries are a whole different sexual kink.
I don't see anyone wanting to ban fuzzy animal outfits.
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