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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2023 18:12:05 GMT -5
As a senior in high school the governor dressed up as a woman but he was not in a drag show. But since he did dress up as a woman in high school he should then have zero problems with high school students dressing up in the gender of their choice. Tennessee governor to ban drag shows – despite photo of him dressed in drag
Bill Lee says he will sign law criminalizing drag performances despite emergence of picture from 1977 high school yearbook Tennessee’s governor, Bill Lee, is facing accusations of hypocrisy after a photo of him dressed in drag went viral days after the politician confirmed that he would sign legislation criminalizing drag performances. Lee, a Republican, announced on Monday that he plans to sign a bill passed previously by his state’s legislature that prohibits drag in public and in front of children. Lee also said he would sign a bill that bans gender-affirming care for Tennessee minors. That announcement came two days after a picture of Lee dressed in drag during his high school days went viral on Reddit. In the 1977 picture, a young Lee wears a wig, a cheerleader’s uniform and a pearl necklace. The high school yearbook photo is captioned: “Hard Luck Woman”. The Reddit user who created the original post noted that they were motivated to share it given the governor’s hypocrisy, according to NBC News. “I’m sure [the bill] will be signed but, the hypocrisy needs to be poked at before they come after Play in Nashville or even Rocky Horror at Belcourt twice a year,” wrote the user, referring to a Nashville nightclub and the musical The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Lee has not confirmed that the newly seen photo is of him. But Lee’s office has responded to questions about whether it is hypocritical to sign legislation banning drag performances when the governor has dressed in drag himself. In a statement to the Daily Beast, Lee’s office said that “lighthearted school traditions” as seen in the yearbook photo should not be “conflated” with what the bill is banning. A spokesperson claimed that the comparison was “dishonest and disrespectful to Tennessee families” without elaborating on how that was so. In a press conference on Monday, Lee was asked if he remembered “dressing in drag in 1977” and if drag was “only illegal when gay people do it”. Rest of article here: Tennessee governor to ban drag shows – despite photo of him dressed in drag
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 1, 2023 18:44:06 GMT -5
Republicans have no shame. The pandering is just unconscionable. I guess old playwrights in Greece would not have their plays shown since all the actors were men
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 1, 2023 19:56:13 GMT -5
I was intrigued by the bill itself. How do you word such a law? This link gives some clarity in what the law would do. Appears to present major legal headaches to use in real world situations except for harassment purposes.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Mar 1, 2023 20:06:11 GMT -5
Chris Todd, who I should probably know who he is, but I don’t, sponsored the bill, and made a FB post about how he celebrated it, by going to what was apparently a drag show. The comments under the post are hilarious, calling out the hypocrisy and stupidity of him even making the post.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 1, 2023 20:20:10 GMT -5
The bill doesn't ban drag shows.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2023 22:29:28 GMT -5
The bill doesn't ban drag shows. Bans people in drag in public places including libraries, public parks and probably participating in indoor and outdoor annual Pride Day events including the Pride parade if children under 18 are present. Cannot have a drag show or people in drag in any of the establishments on Memphis' entertainment district Beale Street because parents may be walking around and into bars and restaurants with their underage children day or night.
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Post by toomuchreality on Mar 1, 2023 22:48:57 GMT -5
Oh, brother. 🙄🙄🙄 This guy sounds desperate!
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Post by Tiny on Mar 1, 2023 23:39:19 GMT -5
HOw are they defining "dressed in drag"? Does this mean a transwoman is breaking the law if she's going to work in her typical appropriate for the office wardrobe?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 1, 2023 23:43:59 GMT -5
The bill doesn't ban drag shows. Bans people in drag in public places including libraries, public parks and probably participating in indoor and outdoor annual Pride Day events including the Pride parade if children under 18 are present. Cannot have a drag show or people in drag in any of the establishments on Memphis' entertainment district Beale Street because parents may be walking around and into bars and restaurants with their underage children day or night. Can't find anything that supports this reading of the law.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2023 23:45:06 GMT -5
HOw are they defining "dressed in drag"? Does this mean a transwoman is breaking the law if she's going to work in her typical appropriate for the office wardrobe? Men in drag (to me) are usually wearing exaggerated female makeup and clothing. Not everyday women's busines or work clothes.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2023 23:46:26 GMT -5
Bans people in drag in public places including libraries, public parks and probably participating in indoor and outdoor annual Pride Day events including the Pride parade if children under 18 are present. Cannot have a drag show or people in drag in any of the establishments on Memphis' entertainment district Beale Street because parents may be walking around and into bars and restaurants with their underage children day or night. Can't find anything that supports this reading of the law. Whatever, bills. Maybe if you actually lived here like I do you would be better informed. Discussion between you and me is over.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 2, 2023 0:12:01 GMT -5
Can't find anything that supports this reading of the law. Whatever, bills. Maybe if you actually lived here like I do you would be better informed. Discussion between you and me is over. True, I don't live there. I was however able to provide a link to the local Nashville Tennessean.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 2, 2023 12:45:37 GMT -5
What is the problem with kids seeing drag shows? Kids below a certain age won’t realize they are men. Kids over a certain age will figure out they are men and think they are clowns or Disney characters dressing up for fun. The one kid out of hundreds who sees men dressed as women and wants to dress like that too was going to have cross dressing thoughts sooner or later, probably just from looking at fashion magazines.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 2, 2023 12:57:42 GMT -5
I guess I’m especially sensitive to this topic because my homophobic father in law had regular freak outs that I would turn my son gay. As a toddler I bought him a colorful purple romper- and he got pinched with scissors at day care and was afraid of getting his hair cut for a while (plus he was a really pretty baby) and strangers mistook him for a girl. When we went to Disney when he was four he wanted a princess doll and I bought it for him. At preschool he wanted to take ballet lessons and I let him. All of this was going to make him gay. I got tired of the constant drama.
I kind of wish he had decided to be gay, just to discombobulate grandpa- but he dated his way through our church youth group, much to grandpa’s delight.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 2, 2023 14:00:41 GMT -5
It seems like banning them all together would be a first amendment issue - art and all that.
I am not sure how the practicality of limiting the venue works, but it must because there is plenty out there I understand why kids should maybe not be consuming it. Melania Trump’s nude photos are the top of my list.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 2, 2023 15:52:15 GMT -5
HOw are they defining "dressed in drag"? Does this mean a transwoman is breaking the law if she's going to work in her typical appropriate for the office wardrobe? Men in drag (to me) are usually wearing exaggerated female makeup and clothing. Not everyday women's busines or work clothes. I agree with you. Men in drag imply a "performance" of some sort - which typically includes exaggerated female make up and clothing. I'm guessing that's were any 'teeth' in the bill will be - in how dressed in drag is defined. I can't believe American state governments are wasting so much time and effort and Tax Payer money on this kind of stuff. Why do our elected politicians have so much time on their hands? Don't they have real work to do?? I wish I got paid to screw around at work.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 2, 2023 16:17:54 GMT -5
They do it because the real work is hard and will disappoint some of their base. This way, they can rilke up the base, make it look like they do something, and do not have to do the hard work to actually improve the life of their constituents. Right now, republicans would rather screw someone else than actually help anyone.
It gets back to the "tell the lowliest white man he is better than the highest black man, and he will follow you anywhere".
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 2, 2023 17:09:55 GMT -5
This is all based on pure hate. What is the difference between a child seeing a drag show and seeing a woman dressed as a princess? There isn't one, it's just a character. Little kids aren't capable of hate, it's learned at home from the adults surrounded them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2023 18:10:34 GMT -5
Men in drag (to me) are usually wearing exaggerated female makeup and clothing. Not everyday women's busines or work clothes. I agree with you. Men in drag imply a "performance" of some sort - which typically includes exaggerated female make up and clothing. I'm guessing that's were any 'teeth' in the bill will be - in how dressed in drag is defined. I can't believe American state governments are wasting so much time and effort and Tax Payer money on this kind of stuff. Why do our elected politicians have so much time on their hands? Don't they have real work to do?? I wish I got paid to screw around at work. Future votes.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2023 18:49:31 GMT -5
In other Tennessee Republican government news... Shock as Tennessee Republican suggests lynching-style hangings as execution methodA Tennessee legislator has apologised after suggesting hanging people from trees as a potential method for state executions, in comments interpreted by some as a call to state-sanctioned lynchings. On Tuesday, the state’s House Criminal Justice Committee was debating a bill to add the firing squad to Tennessee’s existing methods of execution, lethal injection and electrocution. “Could I put an amendment on that that would include hanging on a tree, also?” representative Paul Sherrell said, before calling the firing squad bill a “very good idea.” To critics, the comments were a shocking reference to Tennessee and the South at large’s long history of lynching violence against Black people. There were at least 236 lynchings in Tennessee between 1877 and 1950, according to the Equal Justice Initiative. As The Daily Beast notes, that includes in Mr Sherrell’s hometown of Sparta, where a runaway enslaved person was once dragged from prison and hanged in a local cemetery. "My exaggerated comments were intended to convey my belief that for the cruelest and most heinous crimes, a just society requires the death penalty in kind," Mr Sherrell said in a statement on Wednesday. "Although a victim’s family cannot be restored when an execution is carried out, a lesser punishment undermines the value we place on protecting life." "I sincerely apologize to anyone who may have been hurt or offended," he added. Tennessee, like most states which still use lethal injection for capital punishment, has struggled to source lethal injection drugs and carry out executions without problems. Last April, Tennessee governor Bill Lee ordered a review of the state’s lethal injection protocol, after state records revealed officials failed to test execution drugs until right before the planned execution of Oscar Franklin Smith, which was called off at the last minute. An investigation from The Tennessean revealed that even after the scrutiny of the state’s process, officials have still failed to follow protocols. As The Independent has reported, lynching and the death penalty share a long, racist history, particularly in the US South. Lynchings sometimes occurred with the tacit or explicit approval of law enforcement, or took place in front of government buildings. Early backers of the death penalty suggested capital punishment might be a way to satiate racist mobs calling for violence in a more controlled way, while Black people in the US spent years facing the death penalty for certain crimes that would only earn white people stints in jail. Even once lynchings waned, capital punishment continued to fall disproportionately on Black people, especially those accused of killing white people. “From its inception, in this country, the death penalty and racism were inseparable,” Elisabeth Semel, a law professor who heads University of California Berkeley’s Death Penalty Clinic, told The Independent. “That history is defining. It just is defining.” Bryan Stevenson, the renowned capital defense attorney and Equal Justice Initiative founder, has called the death penalty the “stepchild of lynching”.The Independent and the nonprofit Responsible Business Initiative for Justice (RBIJ) have launched a joint campaign calling for an end to the death penalty in the US. The RBIJ has attracted more than 150 well-known signatories to their Business Leaders Declaration Against the Death Penalty - with The Independent as the latest on the list. We join high-profile executives like Ariana Huffington, Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg, and Virgin Group founder Sir Richard Branson as part of this initiative and are making a pledge to highlight the injustices of the death penalty in our coverage. Shock as Tennessee Republican suggests lynching-style hangings as execution method
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Post by Opti on Mar 2, 2023 19:03:42 GMT -5
When Vanity Fair published this, it hadn't been signed into law yet. Tennessee governor Bill Lee announced on Monday that he will sign a bill banning drag show performances within 1,000 feet of public parks, schools, or places of worship. If the bill becomes law, first-time violators could face fines of up to $2,500 and up to a year in prison; any further offense would be classified as a felony that is punishable by up to six years in prison.www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/bill-lee-tennessee-drag-showsThis is interesting because it seems to affect businesses not even open to minors if they are located within .2 miles of the listed public places.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Mar 2, 2023 21:18:26 GMT -5
I live in a tiny blue corner of a red state. It’d does not make me happy be judged the same as all the other residents of the state, who I don’t agree with.
I mention that because in the comments under Chris Todd’s FB post that I mentioned earlier, people said they should boycott and not spend any money in the state of Tennessee because of the bullshit. I understand the idea, but I’m still like “Wait a minute, ALL of us aren’t like that,” But I guess I can’t get too upset about it, given how I feel about the state of Mississippi and me thinking that there are probably only 2 or 3 people in the state that are good people and not racist assholes.
As much as I feel how I feel about Mississippi, and it being imo the worst of the worst, I am not all that impressed with Tennessee either.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 2, 2023 22:45:28 GMT -5
This is all based on pure hate. What is the difference between a child seeing a drag show and seeing a woman dressed as a princess? There isn't one, it's just a character. Little kids aren't capable of hate, it's learned at home from the adults surrounded them. I wouldn't know but based on all the nonsense being spouted my DDIL and DS2 must have turned both my grandsons gay as they both liked to dress up as princesses and their parents let them. They especially like Elsa from Frozen and oma bought an Elsa wig upon request. Now whether they are gay or not time will tell but (1) who cares, (2) Elsa clothes or not they are and always will be perfect as they are, and (3) WHO CARES
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Post by toomuchreality on Mar 3, 2023 0:18:39 GMT -5
I will always be grateful that my parents never talked about racial stuff in front of their kids, or any kids, that I know of.
When I got old enough to hear about racial things at school (weekly reader), I didn't understand it because they (black people) were just people, the same as white people. The color of their skin didn't matter, any more than me having blonde hair and my sister having brown hair. That is still my belief.
And it's my belief about gays and drag shows too. People are people. Some behave better than others. Take the great orange man, for instance. He could do better, IMO.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 4, 2023 11:25:53 GMT -5
Tennessee governor signs drag show restrictions into lawNASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — “If I hadn’t been a girl, I’d have been a drag queen.” Dolly Parton has uttered those words famously and often. But if she really were a drag queen, one of Tennessee’s most famous daughters would likely be out of a job under legislation signed into law by Republican Gov. Bill Lee on Thursday. Lee signed off on the legislation without issuing a statement or a public ceremony. The bill goes into effect July 1. Across the country, conservative activists and politicians complain that drag contributes to the “sexualization” or “grooming” of children. Several states are considering restrictions, but none has acted as fast as Tennessee to ensure children are not exposed to drag. The efforts seek to extinguish popular “drag story hours” at which queens read to kids. Organizers of LGBTQ Pride events say they put a chill on their parades. And advocates note that the bills, pushed largely by Republicans, burden businesses in an un-Republican fashion. The protestations have arisen fairly suddenly around a form of entertainment that has long had a place on the mainstream American stage. Milton Berle, “Mr. Television” himself, was appearing in drag on the public airwaves as early as the 1950s on “Texaco Star Theater.” “RuPaul’s Drag Race” is a bona fide cultural phenomenon. Highly popular drag brunches bring revenue to restaurants. That such spectacles are now being portrayed as a danger to children boggles the minds of people who study, perform and appreciate drag. “Drag is not a threat to anyone. It makes no sense to be criminalizing or vilifying drag in 2023,” said Lawrence La Fountain-Stokes, a professor of culture and gender studies at the University of Michigan and author of “Translocas: The Politics of Puerto Rican Drag and Trans Performance.” “It is a space where people explore their identities,” said La Fountain-Stokes, who has done drag himself. “But it is also a place where people simply make a living. Drag is a job. Drag is a legitimate artistic expression that brings people together, that entertains, that allows certain individuals to explore who they are and allows all of us to have a very nice time. So it makes literally no sense for legislators, for people in government, to try to ban drag.” Drag does not typically involve nudity or stripping, which are more common in the separate art of burlesque. Explicitly sexual and profane language is common in drag performances, but such content is avoided when children are the target audience. At shows meant for adults, venues or performers generally warn beforehand about age-inappropriate content. The word “drag” does not appear in the Tennessee bill. Instead, it changes the definition of adult cabaret in Tennessee’s law to mean “adult-oriented performances that are harmful to minors.” It also says “male or female impersonators” now fall under adult cabaret among topless dancers, go-go dancers, exotic dancers and strippers. The bill then bans adult cabaret from public property or anywhere minors might be present. It threatens performers with a misdemeanor charge, or a felony if it’s a repeat offense. The bill has raised concerns that it could be used to target transgender people, but sponsors say that is not the intent. The Tennessee Pride Chamber, a business advocacy group, predicted that “selective surveillance and enforcement” will lead to court challenges and “massive expenses” as governments defend an unconstitutional law that will harm the state’s brand. “Tourism, which contributes significantly to our state’s growth and well-being, may well suffer from boycotts disproportionately affecting members of our community who work in Tennessee’s restaurants, arts, and hospitality industries,” chamber President Brian Rosman wrote in an email to The Associated Press. “Corporations will not continue to expand or relocate here if their employees — and their recruits — don’t feel safe or welcomed in Tennessee.” John Camp, a Pride organizer in Knoxville, said the event in Tennessee’s third-largest city will be somber this October — describing it as “more of a march than a celebration.” There were 100 drag performers last year, he said, but he is unsure how many can participate this year. Several other states, including Idaho, Kentucky, North Dakota, Montana and Oklahoma, are considering similar bans. And the Arkansas governor recently signed a bill that puts new restrictions on “adult-oriented” performances. It originally targeted drag shows but was scaled back following complaints of anti-LGBTQ discrimination. “I find it irresponsible to create a law based on a complete lack of understanding and determined willful misinterpretation of what drag actually is,” Montana state Rep. Connie Keogh said in February during floor debate. “It is part of the cultural fabric of the LGBTQ+ community and has been around for centuries.” Tennessee state Sen. Jack Johnson, the Republican sponsor, says his bill addresses “sexually suggestive drag shows” that are inappropriate for children. Months ago, organizers of a Pride festival in Jackson, west of Nashville, came under fire for hosting a drag show in a park. A legal complaint spearheaded by a Republican state representative sought to prevent the show, but organizers reached a settlement to hold it indoors, with an age restriction. And in Chattanooga, false allegations of child abuse spread online after far-right activists posted video of a child feeling a female performer’s sequined costume. Online commentators falsely said the performer was male, and it has gone on to be used as a rationale to ban children from drag shows. “Rather than focus on actual policy issues facing Tennesseans, politicians would rather spend their time and effort misconstruing age-appropriate performances at a library to pass as many anti-LGBTQ+ bills as they can,” Sarah Warbelow, legal director for the Human Rights Campaign, said in a statement last week. At times, the vitriol has become violence. Protesters, some of them armed, threw rocks and smoke grenades at one another outside a drag event in Oregon last year. The Tennessee drag bill marks the second major proposal targeting LGBTQ people that lawmakers in the state have passed this year. Last week, lawmakers approved legislation that bans most gender-affirming care. Lee also signed that bill into law on Thursday. Lee was fielding questions Monday from reporters about the legislation and other LGBTQ bills when an activist asked him if he remembered “dressing up in drag in 1977.” He was presented with a photo that showed the governor as a high school senior dressed in women’s clothing that was published in the Franklin High School 1977 yearbook. The photo was first posted on Reddit over the weekend. Lee said it is “ridiculous” to compare the photo to “sexualized entertainment in front of children.” When asked for specific examples of inappropriate drag shows taking place in front of children, Lee did not cite any, only pointing to a nearby school building and saying he was concerned about protecting children. Tennessee governor signs drag show restrictions into law
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 4, 2023 11:50:11 GMT -5
I will always be grateful that my parents never talked about racial stuff in front of their kids, or any kids, that I know of. When I got old enough to hear about racial things at school (weekly reader), I didn't understand it because they (black people) were just people, the same as white people. The color of their skin didn't matter, any more than me having blonde hair and my sister having brown hair. That is still my belief. And it's my belief about gays and drag shows too. People are people. Some behave better than others. Take the great orange man, for instance. He could do better, IMO. They are the same - but in our society there is a difference. The obstacles they must overcome are large and constant. Teaching kids that they are “the same” isn’t a solution. It is how the conservatives justify not talking about the problems - “people are all the same, the black people are denying it - therefore THEY are racist” and boom - it is okay to ignore any inequities in the systems and culture of America.
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Post by toomuchreality on Mar 4, 2023 18:28:14 GMT -5
I will always be grateful that my parents never talked about racial stuff in front of their kids, or any kids, that I know of. When I got old enough to hear about racial things at school (weekly reader), I didn't understand it because they (black people) were just people, the same as white people. The color of their skin didn't matter, any more than me having blonde hair and my sister having brown hair. That is still my belief. And it's my belief about gays and drag shows too. People are people. Some behave better than others. Take the great orange man, for instance. He could do better, IMO. They are the same - but in our society there is a difference. The obstacles they must overcome are large and constant. Teaching kids that they are “the same” isn’t a solution. It is how the conservatives justify not talking about the problems - “people are all the same, the black people are denying it - therefore THEY are racist” and boom - it is okay to ignore any inequities in the systems and culture of America. No one had to teach me that people are the same. I had to figure out why some people didn't believe they were, based on color, sexual preference, or religion, etc. That's all I was saying. It's not a belief that I share.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 5, 2023 4:06:09 GMT -5
Because they are adult entertainers purporting adult themes?
Or they were last time I saw a drag show.
We have had a bit of trouble with drag queens being invited in to school for childrens story time ....... and the sessions being inappropriate.
I guess the School leaders thought they were being "all inclusive" .... but with this freedom comes responsibility.
and adult entertainers don't belong in Schools.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 5, 2023 4:13:57 GMT -5
I'll agree with this people ARE the same, they have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else in a free democracy..... and that's as it should be.
Its the opportunities that people get..... that aren't the same.
and unless you can make people feel that they have an equal stake in getting the good jobs and good positions..... there will be a feeling that a free democracy is for some people and not others.
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Post by bean29 on Mar 5, 2023 7:51:13 GMT -5
If this is a response to drag queen story hour in libraries and schools it is an example of extreme overreach and misrepresentation of intent. They did not ban drag queen story hour in schools and libraries, they banned drag queens everywhere a child might be, and banned gay pride parades entirely.
It is like they a children afraid they might get cooties from another kid in class.
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