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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 10:59:18 GMT -5
I don't.... because I have no idea what IRL means. The difference is that this is the public arena, smack bang in the middle of our Towns and Cities. Its not someone's living room or private garden. The public arena is everyone's business because they organisers have chosen to make it so. In Real Life. If something is being done smack bang in the middle of your town or city and you don't like it, go elsewhere. Come back when it's over. The rest of it I can't read within my post because of the weird way your posts appear. Instead of quoting directly, you somehow take snippets of what someone else said about post around it.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 11:43:11 GMT -5
Why should I? I live here I pay my taxes.
If someone wants to corrupt my kids ........ it they who can go elsewhere.
As it happens.... I don't live near the parade route but surely you get the point from the locals who do. The organisers have chosen to go in to the public arena.
It saves space and time..... gets to the point more quickly and If its someone else's opinion, I'll link.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 11:46:20 GMT -5
Rude much.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 11:50:23 GMT -5
Yeah well..... the guy in the leather dog outfit..... is not Scooby Doo ....Thats BDSM folks!
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2023 11:50:32 GMT -5
calling it like I see it. guess you didn't actually block me, then.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 11:52:41 GMT -5
Guess I forgot.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2023 12:01:29 GMT -5
Why should I? I live here I pay my taxes. If someone wants to corrupt my kids ........ it they who can go elsewhere.As it happens.... I don't live near the parade route but surely you get the point from the locals who do. The organisers have chosen to go in to the public arena. It saves space and time..... gets to the point more quickly and If its someone else's opinion, I'll link. so there's this thing about public spaces, they are for everyone. if you're offended by something, you are free to avoid whatever offends you. bans, censorship, etc are nothing but imposing your own viewpoints to limit others' free expression.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 17, 2023 12:30:06 GMT -5
We have Carribbean carnivals here, not sure if you have the same..... Its bright and colourful with music and floats, a lovely family day out..... and nothing that would cause a parent concern about content, so it can be done. Then there's the Mayors parades and various cultural parades. Lots of things to choose from for kids. We have that here, bright and colourful with music and floats and some women go completely topless. Would you take your kids?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 12:32:10 GMT -5
Why should I? I live here I pay my taxes. If someone wants to corrupt my kids ........ it they who can go elsewhere. As it happens.... I don't live near the parade route but surely you get the point from the locals who do. The organisers have chosen to go in to the public arena. It saves space and time..... gets to the point more quickly and If its someone else's opinion, I'll link. i would gamble that military marching in parades has way more influence than gays. should we ban them, too? should they "go elsewhere". i am not being silly, here. i am FERVENTLY anti-war.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 12:35:27 GMT -5
We teach kids about the birds and the bees ... and give them some skills to be able to make good choices with relationships as they grow in to maturity. We don't teach them about bondage. no, you are right. we don't. and because of that, they end up finding out about it through friends and the internet, and some of them end up dead in strangulation sex. which is better?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 12:37:42 GMT -5
So desperate to be seen as Liberal and Diverse ... that you would ignore something that staring you right in the face. i don't know more than a couple of people who even IDENTIFY as liberal on this board, let alone are desperate to be seen that way. oh, and that is ad hominem, btw. you are speaking to the person rather than the subject.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 12:44:50 GMT -5
Does one persons "free expression" trump someone else's basic human right to not see that free expression?
(Guess its moot anyway because we have public decency laws)
You can't just choose sides and then pick out the legislation to suit,
with human rights goes others peoples human rights,
There are consequences in a public arena.
Yes. Its nothing like the subject we are discussing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 12:46:22 GMT -5
sure
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 12:50:04 GMT -5
They learn about it in an age appropriate way when they are mature enough to understand the concepts
and not because someone forces their sexuality on the rest of the population...... who maybe, don't want it in their kids faces.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 13:12:39 GMT -5
Why should I? I live here I pay my taxes. If someone wants to corrupt my kids ........ it they who can go elsewhere. As it happens.... I don't live near the parade route but surely you get the point from the locals who do. The organisers have chosen to go in to the public arena. It saves space and time..... gets to the point more quickly and If its someone else's opinion, I'll link. If there is an event at a public arena, either they have a permit or it is being held on private property with the property owner's consent. They have a right to be there. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Or are you saying that only your opinion matters and forget the opinions of the hundreds or thousands of people at the event? Are you seriously that entitled?! It sure sounds like it. There are plenty of things that I don't like in my city. Guess what, I don't go to them. I still pay taxes here. How hard is it just to let other people be themselves? Just because you're miserable doesn't mean everyone else has to be.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 13:18:06 GMT -5
Does one persons "free expression" trump someone else's basic human right to not see that free expression? (Guess its moot anyway because we have public decency laws) You can't just choose sides and then pick out the legislation to suit, with human rights goes others peoples human rights, There are consequences in a public arena. Yes. Its nothing like the subject we are discussing. Whoa! Wait. So you would take your child on a topless cruise because that's ok, but a drag queen reading an age appropriate book to a child is disgusting? I think he have a homophobe or at the very least, a transphobe in our midst.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 13:19:51 GMT -5
They learn about it in an age appropriate way when they are mature enough to understand the concepts and not because someone forces their sexuality on the rest of the population...... who maybe, don't want it in their kids faces. How hard is it to understand that if you don't like something, you are free to not look?! Does anyone have a good name for a transphobe Karen? I need a new saying for my library.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 13:23:01 GMT -5
"Public Arena" doesn't mean an actual Arena..... it just means "in public" (as opposed to being in private)
So in a space where there are public citizens, be it a highway, room, street or whatever,
I think we are lost in translation.
I'm not miserable.
Very happy in fact.
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Post by tallguy on Mar 17, 2023 13:25:38 GMT -5
"Public Arena" doesn't mean an actual Arena..... it just means "in public" (as opposed to being in private) So in a space where there are public citizens, be it a highway, room, street or whatever, I think we are lost in translation. I'm not miserable. Very happy in fact. Blissful, even.
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 17, 2023 13:33:48 GMT -5
"Public Arena" doesn't mean an actual Arena..... it just means "in public" (as opposed to being in private) So in a space where there are public citizens, be it a highway, room, street or whatever, I think we are lost in translation. I'm not miserable. Very happy in fact. What does public arena mean then? Like a park or something? My previous statement stands. Regardless of the venue, a permit would have to be required for a public space. If the property is private, they would have to have the consent of the owner.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 13:38:14 GMT -5
Topless means nothing to me, I'm a European Homophobe and transphobe now is it? As well as someone with a bondage secret, miserable .... and all the other little barbs you have thrown at me in the pretence of furthering discussion. Anyone else with a reasonable ability to communicate out there? .......... hellloooo ooooo ooooo
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Mar 17, 2023 13:39:10 GMT -5
"Public Arena" doesn't mean an actual Arena..... it just means "in public" (as opposed to being in private) So in a space where there are public citizens, be it a highway, room, street or whatever, I think we are lost in translation. I'm not miserable. Very happy in fact. Blissful, even.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 13:40:41 GMT -5
There is no venue ... it just means "in public" ........ as opposed to "in private"
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Post by Spellbound454 on Mar 17, 2023 13:43:58 GMT -5
Oh well if thats it .... I'm off to walk the dogs.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 17, 2023 13:44:19 GMT -5
Topless means nothing to me, I'm a EuropeanHomophobe and transphobe now is it? As well as someone with a bondage secret, miserable .... and all the other little barbs you have thrown at me in the pretence of furthering discussion. Anyone else with a reasonable ability to communicate out there? .......... hellloooo ooooo ooooo you don't see any irony at all in this comment?
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Post by tallguy on Mar 17, 2023 13:55:27 GMT -5
Topless means nothing to me, I'm a European Homophobe and transphobe now is it? As well as someone with a bondage secret, miserable .... and all the other little barbs you have thrown at me in the pretence of furthering discussion. Anyone else with a reasonable ability to communicate out there? .......... hellloooo ooooo ooooo Sure, but I'm still waiting for a satisfactory (read: reasonable) response to the idea of, "If you don't like something, don't go." How difficult is that to understand? Children are not born bigoted, or racist, or afraid of diversity. It has to be learned, just as positive attributes have to be learned. Acceptance of difference is a positive attribute. If something is different from my outlook or worldview, I am compelled to decide first, "Does this really matter in any real way?" Most things don't, so I ignore them. The reason I can logically demand rights for myself is that I always act to ensure them for others. Without that, nobody's rights are guaranteed. And that includes the right to be different, as long as you are not creating harm or infringing another's ACTUAL rights. Again, how difficult is that to understand?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 17, 2023 14:04:54 GMT -5
How far does this ban go. Are we banning movies/plays with Cross dressing?
Can we show Mrs Doubtfire? How about Tootsie? Are we canceling the traveling Broadway show? Can't show MASH reruns, not with Corporal Klinger being a transvestite. Rocky Horror now banned? The show was a fixture while I was in college at the local theater. Shown at Midnight every Saturday night for 4 years. Some Like It Hot is now banned? The World According to Garp? Victor/Victoria? Can't have Julie Andrews dressed as a man. The Crying Game? The Birdcage? La Cage Aux Folles? Wonder how many of them saw kinky Boots? Need to be careful about Mulan as well?
I wonder how many of these people losing their shit have seen/taken their families to see these shows. Hell, even Shakespeare could have some shows banned. How far are we going to take this for the "children".
Sexualized talk/performances should be considered in an age appropriate manor. Drag Queen story hour is harmless fun. Risque' Drag shows are adult entertainment that should take place in private. Pride parades need to conform with local obscenity laws. Why are we even debating this?
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Post by swamp on Mar 17, 2023 14:38:44 GMT -5
How far does this ban go. Are we banning movies/plays with Cross dressing? Can we show Mrs Doubtfire? How about Tootsie? Are we canceling the traveling Broadway show? Can't show MASH reruns, not with Corporal Klinger being a transvestite. Rocky Horror now banned? The show was a fixture while I was in college at the local theater. Shown at Midnight every Saturday night for 4 years. Some Like It Hot is now banned? The World According to Garp? Victor/Victoria? Can't have Julie Andrews dressed as a man. The Crying Game? The Birdcage? La Cage Aux Folles? Wonder how many of them saw kinky Boots? Need to be careful about Mulan as well? I wonder how many of these people losing their shit have seen/taken their families to see these shows. Hell, even Shakespeare could have some shows banned. How far are we going to take this for the "children". Sexualized talk/performances should be considered in an age appropriate manor. Drag Queen story hour is harmless fun. Risque' Drag shows are adult entertainment that should take place in private. Pride parades need to conform with local obscenity laws. Why are we even debating this? Don't forget the Disney classic Mulan. Ooops. I see you listed it. My bad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 15:05:09 GMT -5
They learn about it in an age appropriate way when they are mature enough to understand the concepts and not because someone forces their sexuality on the rest of the population...... who maybe, don't want it in their kids faces. the right argues that it is never age appropriate to discuss homosexuality. so, though i appreciate your concerned parent angle, i think it is a red herring in the context of what we are discussing here. we FORCE kids to read and write. we teach them difficult concepts. most kids know who they are attracted to well before puberty. so, what is age appropriate?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 17, 2023 15:07:20 GMT -5
Topless means nothing to me, I'm a EuropeanHomophobe and transphobe now is it? As well as someone with a bondage secret, miserable .... and all the other little barbs you have thrown at me in the pretence of furthering discussion. Anyone else with a reasonable ability to communicate out there? .......... hellloooo ooooo ooooo you're aware that this is a mostly US board, right? i would suggest you look up "free the nipple" if you want to understand how prudish Americans are "in public".
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