Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jan 3, 2017 12:58:50 GMT -5
Do I need to come to this meeting with you? Are you going to hurt someone? Jail is not good for your resume either.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2017 13:19:25 GMT -5
Do I need to come to this meeting with you? Are you going to hurt someone? Jail is not good for your resume either. lol
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formerroomate99
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jan 3, 2017 14:19:59 GMT -5
Mrs T, are you sure that your noncompete is enforceable in your state? You might want to consult with a lawyer on this.
My last employer made me sign a rather scary noncompete, but since I live in an 'at will employment' state, the only way a noncompete can be enforceable is if you take a bunch of clients with you when you leave, and even then, the penalties are piddly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 14:24:03 GMT -5
Mrs T, are you sure that your noncompete is enforceable in your state? You might want to consult with a lawyer on this. My last employer made me sign a rather scary noncompete, but since I live in an 'at will employment' state, the only way a noncompete can be enforceable is if you take a bunch of clients with you when you leave, and even then, the penalties are piddly. The noncompete pays her a year's salary plus a year's health insurance. I think she wants to enforce it from what she's said.
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2017 14:27:19 GMT -5
Mrs T, are you sure that your noncompete is enforceable in your state? You might want to consult with a lawyer on this. My last employer made me sign a rather scary noncompete, but since I live in an 'at will employment' state, the only way a noncompete can be enforceable is if you take a bunch of clients with you when you leave, and even then, the penalties are piddly. Here is the thing...I'm not against it as I get a decent payout because of it!lol
It is actually a non-compete/non-disclosure agreement. There is a list of things I cannot do for 12 months after the end of my employment. I'm not in sales so while I can't divulge customer lists the bigger issue is that I know the costing of our products and our margins (just an example). I can't go to work for a competitor or work as a consultant in my industry. Which is ok because the closest competitor is quite a distance. So there would never be an issue with me violating the agreement.
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MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 3, 2017 15:02:40 GMT -5
okay, so you know you need to come back and give us an update after the meeting....
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 3, 2017 15:47:52 GMT -5
Lol, so many tiny BSes today, I envy MissT's grand exit!
Keep us posted:)
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2017 16:47:38 GMT -5
So, had the big meeting. Bottom line, president assured me that this was not intentional and I am in the works for a promotion and a corresponding increase. Just what that increase is I have no idea as he said they are still waiting for final approval. He told me that my boss explained to him everything I have been doing and what a mess the other company is and that my boss is solely to blame for what transpired. That he should have held off giving the other one his raise before mine was approved.
He kept reassuring me that I'm valued, blah blah blah
I'm torn between feeling foolish and feeling played.
He said he will know more next week and we will have a follow-up conversation. But at the end of the day they want to make me happy and don't want to lose me.
So I did not rescind my resignation but I agreed to talk next week.
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Post by Jaguar on Jan 3, 2017 16:50:47 GMT -5
That's smart to wait and see what's being offered. READ THE FINE PRINT!
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Green Eyed Lady
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jan 3, 2017 16:52:04 GMT -5
I'm so glad. That tells me, at least, they aren't stupid. Good for you for saying what you had to say. I'm glad they realize your value and are willing to make it right. Give yourself a day or two.
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Post by swasat on Jan 3, 2017 16:52:08 GMT -5
I think thats good news then. Wait till next week, see what they have to offer and then decide. If you like the company and group enough that a promotion and corresponding raise will make you stay, why not? Give them a chance to make it right for you. One good thing that surely comes out of all this is that they now know that Miss T is NOT TO BE MESSED WITH IN THE FUTURE!!
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Chocolate Lover
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jan 3, 2017 16:54:56 GMT -5
I'd still bail, you hate that place and have for ages.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jan 3, 2017 17:10:25 GMT -5
I'd still bail, you hate that place and have for ages. I agree to a certain extent. With having to give 6 months notice, i would guess it is hard to feel like you have mentally checked, hit the reset button, etc. But for me, after I gave notice and my boss asked me to stay, I had checked out. The lack of growth at my previous job had become so obvious that once I started looking to leave, I had to go. But I was in a completely different situation. If you were looking for a reason to leave, stick to your guns and leave. I think it is smart to see what they present you next week, but not necessarily be swayed by it.
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Post by emma1420 on Jan 3, 2017 17:10:47 GMT -5
So, had the big meeting. Bottom line, president assured me that this was not intentional and I am in the works for a promotion and a corresponding increase. Just what that increase is I have no idea as he said they are still waiting for final approval. He told me that my boss explained to him everything I have been doing and what a mess the other company is and that my boss is solely to blame for what transpired. That he should have held off giving the other one his raise before mine was approved.
He kept reassuring me that I'm valued, blah blah blah
I'm torn between feeling foolish and feeling played.
He said he will know more next week and we will have a follow-up conversation. But at the end of the day they want to make me happy and don't want to lose me.
So I did not rescind my resignation but I agreed to talk next week.
I'm glad you didn't rescind your resignation. It will be interesting to see what sort of promotion they will offer. If it's a modest promotion with modest increase that feels slapped together then you know they are trying to get you to stay and nothing much will change. If it's a major increase and promotion then I think it will be more clear that they are serious about their intent. Either way it sounds like you are being smart and playing your cards close to the chest.
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Post by dee27 on Jan 3, 2017 17:13:02 GMT -5
What the president said could be true or he is covering his azz. I see future problems because Miss T said they are under staffed, and a promotion for her would mean more seat time in the office for a raise TBD. Who has to give approval for the raise? Would Miss T have employee nice guy as a direct report? Would she still have to redo nice guy's work in addition to her own duties? If so, her boss wins because Miss T is responsible for nice guy.
On the other hand, at least her boss told the president the reasons why she is quitting and he took responsibility for his own mistakes. After her promotion, is Miss T responsible for getting nice guy up to speed in the job he is not qualified for?
You have a lot to decide!
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Post by milee on Jan 3, 2017 17:37:42 GMT -5
So, had the big meeting. Bottom line, president assured me that this was not intentional and I am in the works for a promotion and a corresponding increase. Just what that increase is I have no idea as he said they are still waiting for final approval. He told me that my boss explained to him everything I have been doing and what a mess the other company is and that my boss is solely to blame for what transpired. That he should have held off giving the other one his raise before mine was approved.
He kept reassuring me that I'm valued, blah blah blah
I'm torn between feeling foolish and feeling played.
He said he will know more next week and we will have a follow-up conversation. Next week you'll know for sure if he's serious or if you're being played. If all you have is conversation, then you're being played. If you receive an appropriate raise, then you know they realize they made a mistake and did what they needed to do to correct it. Reassurances that you're valued are as meaningful as air, at this point it's the $$$ that speaks and means something.
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Rukh O'Rorke
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 3, 2017 17:56:09 GMT -5
Sounds like everything is in your favor. Can stay with what is offered or leave.
For me, staying would make quitting in the near future difficult.
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Post by souldoubt on Jan 3, 2017 18:20:12 GMT -5
I'm late to the thread and some or all of this has probably already been said but even if they follow up and do the right thing next week with a better offer my concern would be the fact that they've rewarded the incompetent guy at the sister company. If I were in your shoes my second biggest concern besides the offer would be whether or not he or anyone else that's incompetent that they've promoted or given raises to becomes my problem now. Generally when people get good size raises they think they're doing a good job and may be harder to work with later when you have to correct them or flat out hold their hand. Good luck.
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Post by engineerdoe on Jan 3, 2017 18:46:35 GMT -5
So, had the big meeting. Bottom line, president assured me that this was not intentional and I am in the works for a promotion and a corresponding increase. Just what that increase is I have no idea as he said they are still waiting for final approval. He told me that my boss explained to him everything I have been doing and what a mess the other company is and that my boss is solely to blame for what transpired. That he should have held off giving the other one his raise before mine was approved.
He kept reassuring me that I'm valued, blah blah blah
I'm torn between feeling foolish and feeling played.
He said he will know more next week and we will have a follow-up conversation. But at the end of the day they want to make me happy and don't want to lose me.
So I did not rescind my resignation but I agreed to talk next week.
First off, you did not have the information that your Boss and the President had so your reaction was reasonable and getting a vague "something in the works for you is coming soon" did not give you any information. I think you were smart to not rescind the resignation. You are not foolish nor do I think you were played. I think your Boss didn't think through his actions and he also did not have authorization to tell you your promotion and raise is a done deal. The President barely seems to be authorized to state that. I think the only way I would rescind the resignation would be that I had written confirmation that the promotion and raise were approved.
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formerroomate99
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jan 3, 2017 18:56:44 GMT -5
A few questions to ask yourself.
1. Does a company that gives huge raises and promotions to incompetent a$$ kissers healthy enough to still be around?
2. What are they going to do about all the other things that made you hate your job? A promotion can make a bad job worse if they don't deal with the dysfunction.
3. What would it take to make you not hate your job?
Right now, the economy is booming. Jobs are easy to come by. But once we go into the next recession, getting a job with the non compete hanging over your head will be more tricky.
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GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 3, 2017 19:28:23 GMT -5
I'm assuming by your comments that you are responsible for financial reporting that your employer is publicly held.
Officers of publicly held corporations are elected by the Board of Directors.
Is it possible they want to make you a VP or other such officer and need to wait for the Board to act?
Similarly, corporate officer compensation must be approved by the Compensation Committee (a subset of the BOD).
Could they be waiting for the Compensation Committee to act on your raise?
Often these actions are merely "rubber stamped" by a board but it can take time to go through the process.
Just a thought...
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 3, 2017 20:43:47 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I'm just going to wait and see what they say. I have still officially given my resignation so I have nothing to lose by waiting to see what they say
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jan 3, 2017 20:46:32 GMT -5
I did that once, I was screwed so royally won't go into details to long but I did burn my bridges. However, I went on a job interview, times were very difficult at the time in the job market. I was honest with the interviewer, told them exactly what happened, but I had been with that company for over 10 years and was responsible for the accounting on multi million dollar construction projects, had gotten kudos from the company many times but small raises. I told them it would be pointless for them to call for a reference, they hired me on the spot, it was one of the big oil and gas majors in Houston. I saw new people coming in making more. I did give a months notice and trained my replacement. She had been there but was not exactly a hard worker. I ran into her later and my job they had given her caused her to have a nervous breakdown, she had to leave and they had to pay for her a year to keep her from suing them, she was also Hispanic. I used to work till midnight many a night and on Saturdays. She said I had to work till midnight night after night, hummm, oh really. I'm sorry but I could not help laughing after I had lunch with her. I did feel sorry for her as she had to work too, but it served the company right. I would occasionally run into one of the project managers I had worked for and he could not look me in the face. I was friendly and nice, hell I wasn't running on 3 or 4 hours of sleep a night anymore. They kept a black female, and a Hispanic female, and I was only a white female, no problem,it was my work load and responsibility and it like to killed me too. It was a good thing I left as I was close to the breaking point. But things got worse there, one of the VPs got pulled out, his family owned the company, his smart a** secretary who thought she ran things was let go, sales folks and many others, they barely squeaked by that recession there, I think in the last 20 years they have recovered, just would occasionally see something about them.
I did not get more money though, at that time Houston construction and the oil industry was imploding so was happy to get the job period. I did special projects cleaning up stuff at one of the oil majors, went behind incompentents and fixed their work. One guy they asked me to even move somewhere else that day as he was going to be arrested. I'm not sure what he did. I guess they expected trouble.
Sadly I only stayed 5 years and did get good raises, mom and DD got sick and I had to quit, it like to broke my heart, but you do what you have to do. But remember this was a long time ago.
But sounds like you are in a much better position, you go girl, taking sh** gets old after awhile and being killed by a work load will do it too. I kept taking on anything they asked me to do but the money never came close to making it worthwhile, at least you are getting well compensated and I'm sure you will do well. Even if they ask you back, I would doubt if I would do it, generally things like that are not forgotten and its better to leave on your terms then theirs.
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MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 4, 2017 11:46:42 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I'm just going to wait and see what they say. I have still officially given my resignation so I have nothing to lose by waiting to see what they say You have them by the balls because they know you're valuable. Listen to formerroomate99 (wow, I think that's the first time I've ever said that! ). Now's the time to make some "demands". 1. raise 2. more reasonable/flexible/stable hours outside of the busy season and month end 3. maybe some additional PTO You have nothing to lose! Bleed these suits dry!!!!!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 12:22:02 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I'm just going to wait and see what they say. I have still officially given my resignation so I have nothing to lose by waiting to see what they say You have them by the balls because they know you're valuable. Listen to formerroomate99 (wow, I think that's the first time I've ever said that! ). Now's the time to make some "demands". 1. raise 2. more reasonable/flexible/stable hours outside of the busy season and month end 3. maybe some additional PTO You have nothing to lose! Bleed these suits dry!!!!! lol on bleeding them dry!
I have remained silent on what I want. Part of that is because I'm not sure what I want. My job has sucked for awhile so perhaps I do need to leave. But I'm not making any rash decisions. I don't have to. That's a great feeling
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Post by chen35 on Jan 4, 2017 12:34:18 GMT -5
I don't even hate my job, and if you told me if I gave six months notice today I would get 12 months of severance and health care covered...that would be a tough choice.
You are in a great position!
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jan 4, 2017 12:41:11 GMT -5
You have them by the balls because they know you're valuable. Listen to formerroomate99 (wow, I think that's the first time I've ever said that! ). Now's the time to make some "demands". 1. raise 2. more reasonable/flexible/stable hours outside of the busy season and month end 3. maybe some additional PTO You have nothing to lose! Bleed these suits dry!!!!! lol on bleeding them dry!
I have remained silent on what I want. Part of that is because I'm not sure what I want. My job has sucked for awhile so perhaps I do need to leave. But I'm not making any rash decisions. I don't have to. That's a great feeling
You're never going to get sane hours and I think that's your biggest issue aside from all the crap they on you to clean up. I'm not sure how they fix that aside from hire more staff and I don't see that happening. Find somewhere new to go and get that real estate booming
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 12:51:03 GMT -5
lol on bleeding them dry!
I have remained silent on what I want. Part of that is because I'm not sure what I want. My job has sucked for awhile so perhaps I do need to leave. But I'm not making any rash decisions. I don't have to. That's a great feeling
You're never going to get sane hours and I think that's your biggest issue aside from all the crap they on you to clean up. I'm not sure how they fix that aside from hire more staff and I don't see that happening. Find somewhere new to go and get that real estate booming I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm definitely working on the real estate angle because I am to the point that I just dont' want to work anymore
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jan 4, 2017 12:53:13 GMT -5
You're never going to get sane hours and I think that's your biggest issue aside from all the crap they on you to clean up. I'm not sure how they fix that aside from hire more staff and I don't see that happening. Find somewhere new to go and get that real estate booming I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm definitely working on the real estate angle because I am to the point that I just dont' want to work anymore I hope that you get a nice raise that isn't contingent on you rescinding the resignation. And that you still leave them to clean up their own messes.
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MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 4, 2017 12:54:52 GMT -5
can you extend your stay til 12/31/17 and get 24 months severance?
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