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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 21:04:02 GMT -5
I didn't quite pull a Dark as I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit a pretty generous non-compete.
I have never in my over 20 years professional career felt that I was paid less because I was a woman. But that changed last week.
Six months ago a person in Finance was promoted to run the Finance Department of a sister company. Sadly he doesn't have the skills to do it. His reporting is a complete disaster and he actually missed the reporting deadline last month (with our parent company this is just not acceptable) and screwed it up several months in a row before that. Because of this, my boss has been calling on me to clean up his mess. This guy does not report to me yet my boss seems to hold me responsible for his fucked up work. I'm not a person that will sit and take it so boss and I have gotten into it a few times and he admitted he was wrong.
Anywho, screw-up just got a huge raise which now puts him $10k ahead of me. I found that out on the 29th and I handed in my resignation notice on 12/30. I am not one that will sue or do anything like that. Quite frankly, I'm very good at what I do (as evidenced by the fact that my boss keeps coming to me) so fuck them if they don't value me. I will take my skills to a company that values me.
Of course, once I handed in my resignation my boss starts yammering that I'm jumping the gun because "there is something big in store for you...but I can't tell you until we have approval from overseas (parent company". I called it BS because it would have been pushed through at the same time.
So now I have to have a meeting with the President next week. I'm still very angry so I'm not even sure what I will say to him when we meet. I am not a whiney person and truly believe that the best way to show a company that they can't do shit like that is to lose good people.
I'm not sure how I feel. I've never quit a job without something lined up. But since I have to give 6 months notice it is damn near impossible to find a company willing to wait 6 months for me.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 2, 2017 21:07:51 GMT -5
Wow. I'm stunned on your behalf.
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Post by dee27 on Jan 2, 2017 21:09:44 GMT -5
Wow, you stated that you hated your job, and the raise to the incompetent pushed you over the edge. You are talented and I am sure you will find another job that befits your expertise.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 2, 2017 21:10:18 GMT -5
wow. I'd be beyond pissed, too. I hope it all works out for you.
what are you hoping comes from the meeting with the President next week? I mean, if the universe aligned and the President offered to do <whatever would "make things right"> would you stay?
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Post by Shooby on Jan 2, 2017 21:12:45 GMT -5
6 mos notice? That's a lot. But u stepped out of the boat so be honest with the Pres. You have nothing to lose.
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Post by justme on Jan 2, 2017 21:13:40 GMT -5
I think I would ask the president if he's aware that you've been asked to clean up idiots work. And then after that thread of conversation is done, follow up with asking if he's aware that idiot makes more money than you after that raise given to him while you were cleaning up his mess. And then maybe ask how the president would react/feel in your position.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 21:15:44 GMT -5
You have to wait 6 months but how about the company? Do they have to let you stay? I hope it all works out for you.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 21:18:02 GMT -5
wow. I'd be beyond pissed, too. I hope it all works out for you. what are you hoping comes from the meeting with the President next week? I mean, if the universe aligned and the President offered to do <whatever would "make things right"> would you stay? I honestly don't know. I wouldm't even talk to my boss on Friday outside of what needed to be done workwise. I told him that I said what I had to say and there was nothing left to talk about.
I told my boss that I don't want to speak to the President but he said that the he will be stopping by my office. My issue is that my boss knows what I do and how much he calls on me to pick up the slack of the other...and he also knows how much I'm paid versus him. I hold him responsible for this. I don't know how I can work for someone that I feel lacks ethics. I'm a truly black and white person and I don't buy excuses.
The President is only here a little bit each month (he travels constantly) so I don't think this is some kind of boys club where they keep the female down. But I do think my boss holds me to much higher standards (to be clear, I am one level above this guy which is why it is just insane that he makes more than me) yet rewards him. So I don't know what to think about my boss.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 21:19:23 GMT -5
You have to wait 6 months but how about the company? Do they have to let you stay? I hope it all works out for you. They do not have to let me stay. And legally I do not have to give 6 months notice. But if I give 6 months notice I get one year's salary and one year's health insurance...I'm not walking away from that! So if they want me to go earlier that is fine.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 21:21:25 GMT -5
I think I would ask the president if he's aware that you've been asked to clean up idiots work. And then after that thread of conversation is done, follow up with asking if he's aware that idiot makes more money than you after that raise given to him while you were cleaning up his mess. And then maybe ask how the president would react/feel in your position. That's exactly the stuff I said to my boss. when I say I unloaded, I mean I freaking unloaded!lol And yes, those things need to be said to the president, too.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 2, 2017 21:22:41 GMT -5
wow. I'd be beyond pissed, too. I hope it all works out for you. what are you hoping comes from the meeting with the President next week? I mean, if the universe aligned and the President offered to do <whatever would "make things right"> would you stay? I honestly don't know. I wouldm't even talk to my boss on Friday outside of what needed to be done workwise. I told him that I said what I had to say and there was nothing left to talk about.
I told my boss that I don't want to speak to the President but he said that the he will be stopping by my office. My issue is that my boss knows what I do and how much he calls on me to pick up the slack of the other...and he also knows how much I'm paid versus him. I hold him responsible for this. I don't know how I can work for someone that I feel lacks ethics. I'm a truly black and white person and I don't buy excuses.
The President is only here a little bit each month (he travels constantly) so I don't think this is some kind of boys club where they keep the female down. But I do think my boss holds me to much higher standards (to be clear, I am one level above this guy which is why it is just insane that he makes more than me) yet rewards him. So I don't know what to think about my boss.
ugh, that's not a good situation at all. hopefully you have a decent enough working relationship with the President to have an honest conversation about what all you've been doing, including cleaning up the messes of the idiot, and hopefully not burn a bridge on your way out. that's a long time to be with a company, and a really shitty way to feel like you need to move on.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jan 2, 2017 21:22:56 GMT -5
Wow. I'm stunned on your behalf.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 21:24:38 GMT -5
I honestly don't know. I wouldm't even talk to my boss on Friday outside of what needed to be done workwise. I told him that I said what I had to say and there was nothing left to talk about.
I told my boss that I don't want to speak to the President but he said that the he will be stopping by my office. My issue is that my boss knows what I do and how much he calls on me to pick up the slack of the other...and he also knows how much I'm paid versus him. I hold him responsible for this. I don't know how I can work for someone that I feel lacks ethics. I'm a truly black and white person and I don't buy excuses.
The President is only here a little bit each month (he travels constantly) so I don't think this is some kind of boys club where they keep the female down. But I do think my boss holds me to much higher standards (to be clear, I am one level above this guy which is why it is just insane that he makes more than me) yet rewards him. So I don't know what to think about my boss.
ugh, that's not a good situation at all. hopefully you have a decent enough working relationship with the President to have an honest conversation about what all you've been doing, including cleaning up the messes of the idiot, and hopefully not burn a bridge on your way out. that's a long time to be with a company, and a really shitty way to feel like you need to move on. I can and will be very professional while I am there. At this point, I fully plan on leaving on June 30.
Now I need to figure out what I want to do when I grow up!lol
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 2, 2017 21:26:42 GMT -5
Oh, FFS. Look who has a boyfriend now and wants to quit her job so he'll support her. You are so full of it. (GRG runs away laughing hysterically and ducking for her life.)
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 21:29:33 GMT -5
Oh, FFS. Look who has a boyfriend now and wants to quit her job so he'll support her. You are so full of it. (GRG runs away laughing hysterically and ducking for her life.) hahaha! BF actually said something like "sure, I finally find a GF who makes over 6 figures and she quits her job"....hahaha
I am fortunate that I do have rental income to pay the bare bones bills and a year of salary to get me through. I promise, I will never depend on a man...well, maybe for dinners and such
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Post by tallguy on Jan 2, 2017 21:35:24 GMT -5
I didn't quite pull a Dark as I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit a pretty generous non-compete.
I have never in my over 20 years professional career felt that I was paid less because I was a woman. But that changed last week.
Six months ago a person in Finance was promoted to run the Finance Department of a sister company. Sadly he doesn't have the skills to do it. His reporting is a complete disaster and he actually missed the reporting deadline last month (with our parent company this is just not acceptable) and screwed it up several months in a row before that. Because of this, my boss has been calling on me to clean up his mess. This guy does not report to me yet my boss seems to hold me responsible for his fucked up work. I'm not a person that will sit and take it so boss and I have gotten into it a few times and he admitted he was wrong.
Anywho, screw-up just got a huge raise which now puts him $10k ahead of me. I found that out on the 29th and I handed in my resignation notice on 12/30. I am not one that will sue or do anything like that. Quite frankly, I'm very good at what I do (as evidenced by the fact that my boss keeps coming to me) so fuck them if they don't value me. I will take my skills to a company that values me.
Of course, once I handed in my resignation my boss starts yammering that I'm jumping the gun because "there is something big in store for you...but I can't tell you until we have approval from overseas (parent company". I called it BS because it would have been pushed through at the same time.
So now I have to have a meeting with the President next week. I'm still very angry so I'm not even sure what I will say to him when we meet. I am not a whiney person and truly believe that the best way to show a company that they can't do shit like that is to lose good people.
I'm not sure how I feel. I've never quit a job without something lined up. But since I have to give 6 months notice it is damn near impossible to find a company willing to wait 6 months for me. "Well, there's two things. First, you probably should have made sure to do mine first, or at least have given me a heads-up. And second, do you think that giving a huge raise to someone who you know can't even do his own job is supposed to give me confidence in the management here?"
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Post by suesinfl on Jan 2, 2017 21:36:17 GMT -5
Wow, I don't know what to say except that you are a strong lady. You will make it. Hugs.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 21:43:58 GMT -5
I didn't quite pull a Dark as I have to give 6 months notice or I forfeit a pretty generous non-compete.
I have never in my over 20 years professional career felt that I was paid less because I was a woman. But that changed last week.
Six months ago a person in Finance was promoted to run the Finance Department of a sister company. Sadly he doesn't have the skills to do it. His reporting is a complete disaster and he actually missed the reporting deadline last month (with our parent company this is just not acceptable) and screwed it up several months in a row before that. Because of this, my boss has been calling on me to clean up his mess. This guy does not report to me yet my boss seems to hold me responsible for his fucked up work. I'm not a person that will sit and take it so boss and I have gotten into it a few times and he admitted he was wrong.
Anywho, screw-up just got a huge raise which now puts him $10k ahead of me. I found that out on the 29th and I handed in my resignation notice on 12/30. I am not one that will sue or do anything like that. Quite frankly, I'm very good at what I do (as evidenced by the fact that my boss keeps coming to me) so fuck them if they don't value me. I will take my skills to a company that values me.
Of course, once I handed in my resignation my boss starts yammering that I'm jumping the gun because "there is something big in store for you...but I can't tell you until we have approval from overseas (parent company". I called it BS because it would have been pushed through at the same time.
So now I have to have a meeting with the President next week. I'm still very angry so I'm not even sure what I will say to him when we meet. I am not a whiney person and truly believe that the best way to show a company that they can't do shit like that is to lose good people.
I'm not sure how I feel. I've never quit a job without something lined up. But since I have to give 6 months notice it is damn near impossible to find a company willing to wait 6 months for me. "Well, there's two things. First, you probably should have made sure to do mine first, or at least have given me a heads-up. And second, do you think that giving a huge raise to someone who you know can't even do his own job is supposed to give me confidence in the management here?" Ha! I wish I had thought of that comment about lack of confidence in management. Dammit, that is great and honestly so true. I think that is the other side of it. Obviously I am beyond pissed that this guy is now getting paid more than me. But it is all of it. I do think part of it is the fact that my boss made the call to give him the promotion so he owns his screw ups. I feel like he calls me in to fix things to cover for this guys screw ups. But ffs, at least don't give him a huge raise!
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Post by CCL on Jan 2, 2017 21:46:22 GMT -5
I'll bet the boss doesn't mention to everyone else all the extra work and cleaning up he's got you doing for him, thus making him look good. I quit a job like this once. The "President" wanted to talk with me, too, lol. He only wanted to convince me to stay, so I could continue to make them all look good, while they took advantage of me. Nope. You gotta do what you gotta do.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 2, 2017 22:02:08 GMT -5
"Well, there's two things. First, you probably should have made sure to do mine first, or at least have given me a heads-up. And second, do you think that giving a huge raise to someone who you know can't even do his own job is supposed to give me confidence in the management here?" Ha! I wish I had thought of that comment about lack of confidence in management. Dammit, that is great and honestly so true. I think that is the other side of it. Obviously I am beyond pissed that this guy is now getting paid more than me. But it is all of it. I do think part of it is the fact that my boss made the call to give him the promotion so he owns his screw ups. I feel like he calls me in to fix things to cover for this guys screw ups. But ffs, at least don't give him a huge raise! Not too late. Tell that to your boss first, and then mention that since the president wants to talk to you, that you should probably ask him the same question. You know, since he's going to want honest feedback and all.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jan 2, 2017 22:30:29 GMT -5
Oh, to be a fly on the wall for that conversation...
Go get 'em, Miss T!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 2, 2017 22:33:13 GMT -5
Sorry to hear. Good luck finding a better gig!
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Post by ners on Jan 2, 2017 22:33:51 GMT -5
Oh, to be a fly on the wall for that conversation... Go get 'em, Miss T!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 2, 2017 22:48:17 GMT -5
So you've experienced gender bias for the first time? Welcome to the club. Some of us have been fighting for equal pay for many years. Feels different when ir's you, doesn't it?
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Post by milee on Jan 2, 2017 22:58:31 GMT -5
That sucks. I'm glad if it had to happen to you, it happened during a good job market and hope that you go on to something better.
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Post by Jaguar on Jan 2, 2017 23:19:30 GMT -5
Miss Tequila, you will get a much better job, it's out there waiting for you!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 23:22:24 GMT -5
So you've experienced gender bias for the first time? Welcome to the club. Some of us have been fighting for equal pay for many years. Feels different when ir's you, doesn't it? Aww, as usual a very inspiring post from you.
Difference is that I don't sit around and whine and complain. I resigned. See how that works? But thanks for trying to get a dig in on my thread...I would have expected nothing else from you
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Post by Works4me on Jan 2, 2017 23:32:53 GMT -5
"Well, there's two things. First, you probably should have made sure to do mine first, or at least have given me a heads-up. And second, do you think that giving a huge raise to someone who you know can't even do his own job is supposed to give me confidence in the management here?"
Forewarned is forearmed so I recommend no further conversation with your boss at this time. Save the above thoughts for your meeting with the president which I would view as a golden opportunity to make sure he is aware of all thatbyounhave been doing and how really f'd up things have been.
ETA - your boss has most likely been treating the president like a mushroom (keeping him in the dark and feeding him nothing but bulshit) because the reality will reflect poorly in him.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jan 2, 2017 23:46:24 GMT -5
Wait, your last day is right before qtr end?? Niiiice And then you'll be collecting severance while laying on the beach and drinking? Yeah, tough life you are having Good for you for not taking BS from people!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2017 23:47:47 GMT -5
"Well, there's two things. First, you probably should have made sure to do mine first, or at least have given me a heads-up. And second, do you think that giving a huge raise to someone who you know can't even do his own job is supposed to give me confidence in the management here?"Forewarned is forearmed so I recommend no further conversation with your boss at this time. Save the above thoughts for your meeting with the president which I would view as a golden opportunity to make sure he is aware of all thatbyounhave been doing and how really f'd up things have been. ETA - your boss has most likely been treating the president like a mushroom (keeping him in the dark and feeding him nothing but bulshit) because the reality will reflect poorly in him. To be fair, the president is fairly new to our company so I am sure he has no idea what is going on. And I can say with certainty that I have never seen this kind of obvious bias happen in this company before. I can't even say it is bias because of sex. I honestly don't know. I do have a very strong personality so I am not the "yes man" that the other guy is (I know you are all shocked about my personality!lol). Boss and I go toe-to-toe on man issues where the other guy just does what he is told (different type of work so it isn't exactly the same). Is that being rewarded? I was honestly dumbfounded when I saw what his salary is now.
And I am being harsh when I am calling him a screw up. He is honestly fantastic at the job he had. He is not qualified for the job he was given nor was he given the proper training. Boss treated him like he would treat me but we are two completely different levels. So I blame the boss not the co-worker. He promoted him beyond his abilities and gave him no guidance (to be fair, my boss doesn't even review any reporting so I don't think he actually could give him any guidance).
I honestly didn't think sexual discrimination when I discovered this. I confronted the boss and was given no valid reason for why he was being paid more than me (there was no "well you are really failing in x,y,x"). It was other people that put that in my head. Long story short, I dont' care if it is sexual discrimination or just an asshole boss, I will not be paid less than someone that is significantly less qualified.
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