The new polls on the Presidential race

[Tennesseer]

Jul 21, 2016 12:44:26 GMT -5 Icelandic Woman said:

Jul 15, 2016 15:01:06 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I would have no problem poking the Clinton campaign to use that quote again, and again, and again over the next 3 1/2 months in their TV ads.

Apparently directly from your lips to Hillary's ears. LOL The next morning and almost every morning since there has been an ad using this quote against him.

I saw that.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I asked a question on another thread the other day about the FBI report on Mrs. Clinton and how people felt about it. Doesn't anybody find it strange that people are more concerned about...what...like 30 words in a speech by a possible First Lady that may have been plagerized (by the way, Mrs. Obama didn't invent any of those words) than they are about Mrs. Clinton deleting 3000 classified e-mails and then not telling the truth about it?  Tell me again that people aren't so in love with their party, they can't see the forest for the trees.

[billisonboard]

Jul 21, 2016 12:59:01 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

... Mrs. Clinton deleting 3000 classified e-mails ...

Do you have a link to her doing this?

[Deleted]

Clinton has been thoroughly investigated and no actionable charges have been brought against her. I'm satisfied with that. 

I actually wasnt too concerned with Melania's speech. Crap happens. I thought it was funny she used Michelle's speech, but the thing that upset me about it was their unwillingness to address it at first, to lie, to suggest it wasn't a big deal, etc. that is an issue for me. They have admitt d it now. 

[Opti]

Jul 21, 2016 12:59:01 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I asked a question on another thread the other day about the FBI report on Mrs. Clinton and how people felt about it. Doesn't anybody find it strange that people are more concerned about...what...like 30 words in a speech by a possible First Lady that may have been plagerized (by the way, Mrs. Obama didn't invent any of those words) than they are about Mrs. Clinton deleting 3000 classified e-mails and then not telling the truth about it?  Tell me again that people aren't so in love with their party, they can't see the forest for the trees.

GEL, people have been posting about this email 'scandal' for months. Given no state secrets can be proven to be leaked yes I still don't care. And I think you need to get your facts straight, I don't think were even 100 classified emails, and those I think were classified later, not at the time the emails were sent.

Gee, complaining about an incident that just occurred, how absolutely normal.  Really I don't know why we can't just discuss the damn GOP convention instead of always going to the GOP preferred dead horse collection of crap we want to whine on Hillary for.

If you could prove real demonstrable harm that came from Hillary's email handling but not the prior Sec of States, I might listen. But until then, its just OMGing over non events. I am not that interested in discussing Melania's speech, because frankly after it was done and the links were found, I doubt anything Melania, Trump, or his campaign has said is anywhere near the truth.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 21, 2016 13:08:16 GMT -5 oped said:

Clinton has been thoroughly investigated and no actionable charges have been brought against her. I'm satisfied with that. 

I actually wansnt too concerned with Melania's speech. Crap happens. I thought it was funny she used Michelle's speech, but the thing that upset me about I t was their unwillingness to adres it at first, to lie, to suggest it wasn't a big deal, etc. that is an issue for me. They have admitt d it now. 

what bothers me about it is that Trump is supposed to be "the best" at stuff like this.  clearly, that claim is questionable at this juncture, if it was not before.

[happyhoix]

Jul 19, 2016 22:20:27 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

No comment on CNN and ABC announcing the speech writers did not serve up the speech that was delivered?
The speech that was written was approved and did not contain the Michelle quotes that were plagarized.

No wonder Trump's manager stood by the speech this morning and said it did not occur, because it was not written in the approved speech.
This could be backed up by a certain poster who claims a tree falling in the forest makes no noise if no one is there to hear it fall.
Evidently, if it was not in the approved speech, it did not happen.

But seriously, if the approved speech did not contain it, can you imagine when the speech writer heard the speech, he had a cardiac moment.

Who called who first?
The speech writer call Manafort and say what the heck is going on?
Manafort called the speech writer and say what the heck did you just do? 

Now it begs the question.
Did Melania go rogue, and re-write the speech after all?
Or did Hillary's crack internet team break in to the RNC computers and do a re-write on the speech, which Trump could never admit it happened, because he is the security guy attacking Hillary on the e-mails scandal?
The perfect crime was just committed!

The campaign hired two speech writers to write the speech for her. Melania apparently didn't like it so she got with her good friend McIver, an ex-ballerina and English major, to help her re-write it. They removed everything except the starting paragraph and a few other sections of the speech.  Apparently Melania looked up Obama's speech and read parts of it over the phone to McIver, who wrote it into the amended speech. McIver apologized and offered to resign but Trump refused to accept her resignation.

Someone in the campaign should have proofed the speech, not once but a couple times. They did not, and Melania ended up looking foolish. I blame the lack of qualified campaign staff.  

[happyhoix]

Jul 21, 2016 12:59:01 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I asked a question on another thread the other day about the FBI report on Mrs. Clinton and how people felt about it. Doesn't anybody find it strange that people are more concerned about...what...like 30 words in a speech by a possible First Lady that may have been plagerized (by the way, Mrs. Obama didn't invent any of those words) than they are about Mrs. Clinton deleting 3000 classified e-mails and then not telling the truth about it?  Tell me again that people aren't so in love with their party, they can't see the forest for the trees.

First of all, there were many, many hearings and committees to try to pin the whole Benghazi incident solely on Mrs Clinton. The final review concluded Benghazi was mostly an error on the part of the military, not the State Department. The only tidbit they could hope to nail to Hillary was the fact that she used her own email server, but an FBI review showed that nothing she forwarded through that system was, at the time, confidential, so Hillary did something lax and should have had better judgment, but it wasn't criminal and it certainly isn't treasonous. To me, it looks like the GOP flogged that dead horse over and over in order to try to find something so heinous it would make Hillary unelectable. They failed, but rather than admit defeat and let it go, they're pretending it was heinous when it wasn't, hoping gullible voters will drink the cool aid.

I also think the stink about the plagiarized speech isn't so much that parts of Melania's speech were copied from another speech, but that 1) initially, so many Trump supporters and staff members went on record insisting it wasn't plagiarized, until the Trump campaign finally, after way too many days, admitted that yes, it was (showcasing how eager Trump's staff is to lie for him even with the truth is self-evident), and 2) campaigns at this level should be vetting all speeches 2 or 3 times to look for just this kind of mistake. That the speech wasn't corrected indicates Trump's staff is incompetent or overwhelmed, or both.

[Icelandic Woman]

Jul 21, 2016 13:32:47 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 21, 2016 12:59:01 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I asked a question on another thread the other day about the FBI report on Mrs. Clinton and how people felt about it. Doesn't anybody find it strange that people are more concerned about...what...like 30 words in a speech by a possible First Lady that may have been plagerized (by the way, Mrs. Obama didn't invent any of those words) than they are about Mrs. Clinton deleting 3000 classified e-mails and then not telling the truth about it?  Tell me again that people aren't so in love with their party, they can't see the forest for the trees.

First of all, there were many, many hearings and committees to try to pin the whole Benghazi incident solely on Mrs Clinton. The final review concluded Benghazi was mostly an error on the part of the military, not the State Department. The only tidbit they could hope to nail to Hillary was the fact that she used her own email server, but an FBI review showed that nothing she forwarded through that system was, at the time, confidential, so Hillary did something lax and should have had better judgment, but it wasn't criminal and it certainly isn't treasonous. To me, it looks like the GOP flogged that dead horse over and over in order to try to find something so heinous it would make Hillary unelectable. They failed, but rather than admit defeat and let it go, they're pretending it was heinous when it wasn't, hoping gullible voters will drink the cool aid.

I also think the stink about the plagiarized speech isn't so much that parts of Melania's speech were copied from another speech, but that 1) initially, so many Trump supporters and staff members went on record insisting it wasn't plagiarized, until the Trump campaign finally, after way too many days, admitted that yes, it was (showcasing how eager Trump's staff is to lie for him even with the truth is self-evident), and 2) campaigns at this level should be vetting all speeches 2 or 3 times to look for just this kind of mistake. That the speech wasn't corrected indicates Trump's staff is incompetent or overwhelmed, or both.

And don't forget wasted millions of taxpayer money on the witch hunt, which I think they should have to pay back!

[dondub]

The 'vast rightwing conspiracy' has been after the Clintons for 25 years now. They knew back then that this moment would come....Hillary (a woman!) running for POTUS. They have tried to stain her in every imaginable way they could cook up. The even have her responsible for the murder of her lover, Vince Foster, even though she is lesbian too!

 In the meantime, as pointed out above, millions of dollars of our money has been wasted. Ken Starr....$55+ million for starters. Benghazi...9-10 different investigations. E-mail...ad nauseum. During this'latter period, the Repo controlled Congress has literally DONE NOTHING to move America forward. If they had any shame they would be ashamed of themselves. If they had any ethics they would resign and let someone else enter the arena with ideas and motivation to GET SOMETHING DONE. If they were as Christian as they pretend to be we wouldn't have had all of this odious name calling and finger pointing at Obama.

 To wrap it up....this current clown car full of cuckoos is the worst Congress in history and should be fired!

[Tennesseer]

happyhoix

Complaint Alleges Trump Camp Broke Election Law

CLEVELAND — A Democratic super PAC has filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission charging that the Trump campaign broke federal election law by using his corporation to advance his presidential campaign.

The complaint was filed after Meredith McIver took the blame for cribbing parts of Michelle Obama's 2008 convention speech for Melania Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention Monday night.

The complaint, filed by a grassroots-based super PAC formed this spring called the Democratic Coalition Against Trump, says McIver's involvement in the speechwriting is a violation of campaign finance law because she has received no compensation from the campaign but is an employee of the Trump Organization. The campaign is expected to list all in-kind contributions of goods and services in campaign finance reports.

"This incident is reminiscent of the John Edwards campaign finance scandal, which likewise involved work paid for by a corporation for a presidential campaign. As such, it is very troubling," Jon Cooper, chairman of the Coalition, said.

The complaint assumes that McIver has received compensation from the Trump Organization — in part because in a statement released to the press, McIver said she offered her resignation to Trump but he rejected it.

The letter released to the press was on Trump Organization, and not Trump campaign, letterhead.

Complete article here: Complaint Alleges Trump Camp Broke Election Law

[djAdvocate]

Jul 21, 2016 13:23:04 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 19, 2016 22:20:27 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

No comment on CNN and ABC announcing the speech writers did not serve up the speech that was delivered?
The speech that was written was approved and did not contain the Michelle quotes that were plagarized.

No wonder Trump's manager stood by the speech this morning and said it did not occur, because it was not written in the approved speech.
This could be backed up by a certain poster who claims a tree falling in the forest makes no noise if no one is there to hear it fall.
Evidently, if it was not in the approved speech, it did not happen.

But seriously, if the approved speech did not contain it, can you imagine when the speech writer heard the speech, he had a cardiac moment.

Who called who first?
The speech writer call Manafort and say what the heck is going on?
Manafort called the speech writer and say what the heck did you just do? 

Now it begs the question.
Did Melania go rogue, and re-write the speech after all?
Or did Hillary's crack internet team break in to the RNC computers and do a re-write on the speech, which Trump could never admit it happened, because he is the security guy attacking Hillary on the e-mails scandal?
The perfect crime was just committed!

The campaign hired two speech writers to write the speech for her. Melania apparently didn't like it so she got with her good friend McIver, an ex-ballerina and English major, to help her re-write it.

you're fucking kidding me?

omg.

just.

omg.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 21, 2016 13:37:56 GMT -5 Icelandic Woman said:

Jul 21, 2016 13:32:47 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

First of all, there were many, many hearings and committees to try to pin the whole Benghazi incident solely on Mrs Clinton. The final review concluded Benghazi was mostly an error on the part of the military, not the State Department. The only tidbit they could hope to nail to Hillary was the fact that she used her own email server, but an FBI review showed that nothing she forwarded through that system was, at the time, confidential, so Hillary did something lax and should have had better judgment, but it wasn't criminal and it certainly isn't treasonous. To me, it looks like the GOP flogged that dead horse over and over in order to try to find something so heinous it would make Hillary unelectable. They failed, but rather than admit defeat and let it go, they're pretending it was heinous when it wasn't, hoping gullible voters will drink the cool aid.

I also think the stink about the plagiarized speech isn't so much that parts of Melania's speech were copied from another speech, but that 1) initially, so many Trump supporters and staff members went on record insisting it wasn't plagiarized, until the Trump campaign finally, after way too many days, admitted that yes, it was (showcasing how eager Trump's staff is to lie for him even with the truth is self-evident), and 2) campaigns at this level should be vetting all speeches 2 or 3 times to look for just this kind of mistake. That the speech wasn't corrected indicates Trump's staff is incompetent or overwhelmed, or both.

And don't forget wasted millions of taxpayer money on the witch hunt, which I think they should have to pay back!

add whitewater and the impeachment thing into the total.  how many millions have been spent?

[dondub]

Well over $60m.

[Deleted]

Jul 21, 2016 13:49:10 GMT -5 dondub said:

The 'vast rightwing conspiracy' has been after the Clintons for 25 years now. They knew back then that this moment would come....Hillary (a woman!) running for POTUS. They have tried to stain her in every imaginable way they could cook up. The even have her responsible for the murder of her lover, Vince Foster, even though she is lesbian too!

 In the meantime, as pointed out above, millions of dollars of our money has been wasted. Ken Starr....$55+ million for starters. Benghazi...9-10 different investigations. E-mail...ad nauseum. During this'latter period, the Repo controlled Congress has literally DONE NOTHING to move America forward. If they had any shame they would be ashamed of themselves. If they had any ethics they would resign and let someone else enter the arena with ideas and motivation to GET SOMETHING DONE. If they were as Christian as they pretend to be we wouldn't have had all of this odious name calling and finger pointing at Obama.

 To wrap it up....this current clown car full of cuckoos is the worst Congress in history and should be fired!

Something I can fully, 1,000%, completely, without reservations... agree with!

[dondub]

The horror! The horror!

[sesfw]

Clinton has been thoroughly investigated and no actionable charges have been brought against her. I'm satisfied with that.


oj simpson says thank you

[Value Buy]

Joe in the Morning had a few new polls they discussed this morning with a "last day  of poll" being Tuesday, for the polls.
Trump closing the gap in several Swing states. Ohio, New Hampshire, and I believe, it was Florida.

Thus it will not cover the Cruz debacle or last night's excellent closing speeches.

[Value Buy]

So I see Nate Silver says, do not fool yourself.
Trump is closer than you think in the race for the Presidency.

[Deleted]

Jul 22, 2016 9:58:38 GMT -5 sesfw said:

Clinton has been thoroughly investigated and no actionable charges have been brought against her. I'm satisfied with that.


oj simpson says thank you

They didn't charge him?

[Tennesseer]

Jul 24, 2016 17:36:33 GMT -5 oped said:

Jul 22, 2016 9:58:38 GMT -5 sesfw said:

Clinton has been thoroughly investigated and no actionable charges have been brought against her. I'm satisfied with that.


oj simpson says thank you

They didn't charge him?

Speaking of Simpson-

O.J. Simpson will confess someday, says old pal

[Value Buy]

The latest CNN ORC poll has Trump up 3% over Hillary Clinton.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Granted this is a bump from the convention, but still..........it is not a punch in the mouth to Trump of whether he would gain after the nomination.
It is big.
Strike that.
It's HUUUUGE!

[Deleted]

Jul 25, 2016 8:45:41 GMT -5 @anne81 said:

I was never under the impression that Melania was chosen for her intelligence so I'm having trouble getting upset on the topic.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 25, 2016 7:04:52 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The latest CNN ORC poll has Trump up 3% over Hillary Clinton.

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Granted this is a bump from the convention, but still..........it is not a punch in the mouth to Trump of whether he would gain after the nomination.
It is big.
Strike that.
It's HUUUUGE!

one poll has Clinton +5%, but it is clearly an outlier.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I see Nate Silver / fivethirtyeight has made a dramatic move-- Trump had a 39% chance of winning to 58% chance in three days- link

The lines have crossed in the Real Clear Politics average of all national polls. The Trump wave is probably going to be too big to hide- link

They might succeed in keeping it margin of error-- and we know there's a "they" now that we've seen the emails dumped by Wikileaks that clearly show extensive collusion with the media including the DNC actually working with CBS News to construct the specific wording of how poll data should be presented to the CBS News audience.

[billisonboard]

Jul 26, 2016 16:14:08 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I see Nate Silver / fivethirtyeight has made a dramatic move-- Trump had a 39% chance of winning to 58% chance in three days- link

The lines have crossed in the Real Clear Politics average of all national polls. The Trump wave is probably going to be too big to hide- link

They might succeed in keeping it margin of error-- and we know there's a "they" now that we've seen the emails dumped by Wikileaks that clearly show extensive collusion with the media including the DNC actually working with CBS News to construct the specific wording of how poll data should be presented to the CBS News audience.

I really, really encourage people to read the actual emails that are linked to determine for themselves whether they show "collusion".

[happyhoix]

Jul 26, 2016 16:14:08 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I see Nate Silver / fivethirtyeight has made a dramatic move-- Trump had a 39% chance of winning to 58% chance in three days- link

The lines have crossed in the Real Clear Politics average of all national polls. The Trump wave is probably going to be too big to hide- link

They might succeed in keeping it margin of error-- and we know there's a "they" now that we've seen the emails dumped by Wikileaks that clearly show extensive collusion with the media including the DNC actually working with CBS News to construct the specific wording of how poll data should be presented to the CBS News audience.

You mean the article you linked that says 'Trump would win if the election were held today?'

He got a post convention bounce. Most candidates do. Let's see how Hillary's polls look next week.  Better yet, let's see how the polls look on Sept 27th, the day after the first debate.

Trump says he's not studying for the debate but will do incredibly well. Since he didn't do that well in the GOP primary debates (mostly stood there while the others sniped at each other, or made ridiculous statements that he had to back track on the following day) I think it will be interesting to see what happens when he does a one on one debate with someone with so much more experience at this type of thing.

He'll have to stand there and try to look cool and presidential, answer questions with complete sentences that make sense, prove that he knows what the shit he's taking about, and put forward a concrete plan of action. All of this, without stooping to the usual name calling/crude language that punctuated his primary debates.

She'll corner him until he blows up and looks like a pouty toddler. Should be fun.

 

[billisonboard]

Jul 26, 2016 16:59:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

... He'll have to stand there and try to look cool and presidential, answer questions with complete sentences that make sense, prove that he knows what the shit he's taking about, and put forward a concrete plan of action. All of this, without stooping to the usual name calling/crude language that punctuated his primary debates.
...

I'm not sure. It is nice to think that, but I am not sure that he will "have to".

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Trump, it was widely believed, would not get a convention bounce. The near total disconnect between voters perception of the RNC, and in particular Donald Trump's acceptance speech where he outlined specific solutions to long term problems plaguing America, is reflected in this- yet another bit of conventional wisdom that's wildly off.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 26, 2016 16:47:17 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 26, 2016 16:14:08 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I see Nate Silver / fivethirtyeight has made a dramatic move-- Trump had a 39% chance of winning to 58% chance in three days- link

The lines have crossed in the Real Clear Politics average of all national polls. The Trump wave is probably going to be too big to hide- link

They might succeed in keeping it margin of error-- and we know there's a "they" now that we've seen the emails dumped by Wikileaks that clearly show extensive collusion with the media including the DNC actually working with CBS News to construct the specific wording of how poll data should be presented to the CBS News audience.

I really, really encourage people to read the actual emails that are linked to determine for themselves whether they show "collusion".

To what end? Perception is reality.  This story is over now. There's little point in anyone wasting their time digging into it, parsing it, etc. Besides-- as Trump understands very well: if you're explaining, you're losing.