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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 23, 2014 16:17:40 GMT -5
Well, I guess I didn't have anyone except a mother. Everybody else was dead upon my arrival. I think I'm gonna go out into the back yard and eat worms and smoke pot
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Post by Opti on Aug 23, 2014 16:41:08 GMT -5
Well, I guess I didn't have anyone except a mother. Everybody else was dead upon my arrival. I think I'm gonna go out into the back yard and eat worms and smoke pot Why not do something more fun? What live relatives you get is a crap shoot you aren't in control of anyway.
(At least skip the worms, how about comfort food or chocolate instead?)
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Aug 23, 2014 17:15:30 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of misconception about "mental illness" going on. Just because something is defined as a mental illness, doesn't mean that the person who has it gets to use it to avoid the consequences of the "disease".
By defining things like Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissitic (sp?) Personality Disorder, we are merely recognizing that the person has issues that need to be treated if they wish to live a "normal life" with positive social interactions. It isn't intended to say that "Oh, I have BPD so when I'm a manipulative asshole, you have to just deal with it. After all, I have an illness".
Just like people with physical illnesses can chose to have (or not have) treatment for their diseases, people with mental illness can chose the same. But they get the consequences of that choice. If someone with diabetes chose to ignore it, not take any meds, and stuff ice cream and pie down their throat for 3 meals a day, would you feel bad for them when they had a foot amputated or died early? Probably not. If they don't care about the consequences of their disease, why should we? The same with mental illness. You chose not to get help with BPD, don't be surprised when other people avoid you because you are an asshole. Sure, it is your right to decide not get help. It is also their right not to deal with you.
The treatment usually isn't medication, especially if it is a Personality Disorder. These people can get help from talk and behavioral therapy if they recognize they have a problem. This therapy isn't to "milk money out of them for some medical complex", it is to help them to recognize where their thinking and behavior is flawed so they can fix it. This is usually better in a safe environment with people who are trained to identify the flaws.
How many times have we seen this in other areas of life? If someone bombs all their job interviews, it helps them to have a neutral third party watch them and tell them how they come off, what they are projecting, and why the interviewer might not like their answers. It is the same with the Disorders. Having a counselor identify things that you are doing that are creepy/unhealthy with others can help you to live with the disorder in a healthy way.
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NoNamePerson
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 23, 2014 19:19:40 GMT -5
Well, I guess I didn't have anyone except a mother. Everybody else was dead upon my arrival. I think I'm gonna go out into the back yard and eat worms and smoke pot Why not do something more fun? What live relatives you get is a crap shoot you aren't in control of anyway.
(At least skip the worms, how about comfort food or chocolate instead?)
Smoking reminded me that I did have a father when I was born - he just got shot down when I was 16 months old. Nothing like clearing the old head
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2014 19:47:16 GMT -5
Why not do something more fun? What live relatives you get is a crap shoot you aren't in control of anyway.
(At least skip the worms, how about comfort food or chocolate instead?)
Smoking reminded me that I did have a father when I was born - he just got shot down when I was 16 months old. Nothing like clearing the old head Aww, that sucks. My husbands dad died when he was two so he has no memory of him
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 23, 2014 20:39:18 GMT -5
Why not do something more fun? What live relatives you get is a crap shoot you aren't in control of anyway.
(At least skip the worms, how about comfort food or chocolate instead?)
Smoking reminded me that I did have a father when I was born - he just got shot down when I was 16 months old. Nothing like clearing the old head Sorry, No Name. May he RIP.
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Post by truthbound on Aug 24, 2014 5:06:14 GMT -5
No everyone does not have a grandmother. If you did bless your heart. Enjoy your basement. A grandmother is the woman who gave birth to one of your parents. She might have died long before you were born or you might never have had contact with her, but someone pushed your parents out of her hoo ha! Both of my grandfathers died long before I was born. They were still my grandfathers I have absolutely no background in anthropology, sociology or any applicable ology...but I am a self-described expert in this...I demand you all bow to my opinion! No family is not determined by blood. A grandmother, mother, father, sister or brother etc. is someone that you knew who affected your life. If you never had any of those people in your life you had no family. But yes it is the the internets so I bow to you lol.
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Post by swamp on Aug 24, 2014 6:38:37 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of misconception about "mental illness" going on. Just because something is defined as a mental illness, doesn't mean that the person who has it gets to use it to avoid the consequences of the "disease". By defining things like Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissitic (sp?) Personality Disorder, we are merely recognizing that the person has issues that need to be treated if they wish to live a "normal life" with positive social interactions. It isn't intended to say that "Oh, I have BPD so when I'm a manipulative asshole, you have to just deal with it. After all, I have an illness". Just like people with physical illnesses can chose to have (or not have) treatment for their diseases, people with mental illness can chose the same. But they get the consequences of that choice. If someone with diabetes chose to ignore it, not take any meds, and stuff ice cream and pie down their throat for 3 meals a day, would you feel bad for them when they had a foot amputated or died early? Probably not. If they don't care about the consequences of their disease, why should we? The same with mental illness. You chose not to get help with BPD, don't be surprised when other people avoid you because you are an asshole. Sure, it is your right to decide not get help. It is also their right not to deal with you. The treatment usually isn't medication, especially if it is a Personality Disorder. These people can get help from talk and behavioral therapy if they recognize they have a problem. This therapy isn't to "milk money out of them for some medical complex", it is to help them to recognize where their thinking and behavior is flawed so they can fix it. This is usually better in a safe environment with people who are trained to identify the flaws. How many times have we seen this in other areas of life? If someone bombs all their job interviews, it helps them to have a neutral third party watch them and tell them how they come off, what they are projecting, and why the interviewer might not like their answers. It is the same with the Disorders. Having a counselor identify things that you are doing that are creepy/unhealthy with others can help you to live with the disorder in a healthy way. Obviously you're just a shill for the big bad counselor industry.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 24, 2014 7:07:37 GMT -5
Why are people so ugly?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 7:32:06 GMT -5
A grandmother is the woman who gave birth to one of your parents. She might have died long before you were born or you might never have had contact with her, but someone pushed your parents out of her hoo ha! Both of my grandfathers died long before I was born. They were still my grandfathers I have absolutely no background in anthropology, sociology or any applicable ology...but I am a self-described expert in this...I demand you all bow to my opinion! No family is not determined by blood. A grandmother, mother, father, sister or brother etc. is someone that you knew who affected your life. If you never had any of those people in your life you had no family. But yes it is the the internets so I bow to you lol. Your Mom might have gave birth to you in a Burger King bathroom and left you there but she (and her mother...your Grandmother) most definitely affected your life! You wouldn't exist without them and a lot of who you are and what is to become of you is determined by the genes they gave you. I do agree that non-biological family can have a huge impact on your life but that doesn't take away from the from the fact that there is a biological family that produced you in the first place. My mom put my older brother up for adoption when she was a teenager. He found us again in his 30's and now him and his wife and kids are our family again. His adoptive family raised him and did a great job, but holy cow, he is seriously the spitting image of our Grandpa...it's creepy. He also just "acts" like us. Same mannerisms and such.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 24, 2014 10:52:18 GMT -5
No family is not determined by blood. A grandmother, mother, father, sister or brother etc. is someone that you knew who affected your life. If you never had any of those people in your life you had no family. But yes it is the the internets so I bow to you lol. Your Mom might have gave birth to you in a Burger King bathroom and left you there but she (and her mother...your Grandmother) most definitely affected your life! You wouldn't exist without them and a lot of who you are and what is to become of you is determined by the genes they gave you. I do agree that non-biological family can have a huge impact on your life but that doesn't take away from the from the fact that there is a biological family that produced you in the first place. My mom put my older brother up for adoption when she was a teenager. He found us again in his 30's and now him and his wife and kids are our family again. His adoptive family raised him and did a great job, but holy cow, he is seriously the spitting image of our Grandpa...it's creepy. He also just "acts" like us. Same mannerisms and such. Wow...you really can test the nature/nurture thing!
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 24, 2014 11:50:16 GMT -5
That's amazing. Wow. My friends husband found his bio family after his adopted patents both died. He looks just like his siblings and parents All his siblings and his bio dad are/were in various forms of sales! So is he!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 11:51:42 GMT -5
Your Mom might have gave birth to you in a Burger King bathroom and left you there but she (and her mother...your Grandmother) most definitely affected your life! You wouldn't exist without them and a lot of who you are and what is to become of you is determined by the genes they gave you. I do agree that non-biological family can have a huge impact on your life but that doesn't take away from the from the fact that there is a biological family that produced you in the first place. My mom put my older brother up for adoption when she was a teenager. He found us again in his 30's and now him and his wife and kids are our family again. His adoptive family raised him and did a great job, but holy cow, he is seriously the spitting image of our Grandpa...it's creepy. He also just "acts" like us. Same mannerisms and such. Wow...you really can test the nature/nurture thing!
No kidding. And while he's a machinist now he originally went into farming despite not being raised on one. Our family is dairy farmers for generations. He showed up for our original meet up and him and I both drove diesel F250s. LOL
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Aug 24, 2014 20:05:13 GMT -5
Obviously you're just a shill for the big bad counselor industry. Yes, you found me out.... Let's keep it between us, okay?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 25, 2014 7:39:22 GMT -5
A grandmother is the woman who gave birth to one of your parents. She might have died long before you were born or you might never have had contact with her, but someone pushed your parents out of her hoo ha! Both of my grandfathers died long before I was born. They were still my grandfathers I have absolutely no background in anthropology, sociology or any applicable ology...but I am a self-described expert in this...I demand you all bow to my opinion! No family is not determined by blood. A grandmother, mother, father, sister or brother etc. is someone that you knew who affected your life. If you never had any of those people in your life you had no family. But yes it is the the internets so I bow to you lol. like Tina, I'm not anthropologist, but my understanding is that the terms "brother/mother/sister/father" are biological. Yes, you can use them to define other relationships if you want, but "mother/father/grandmother" all biologically point to very specific people that you may or may not know or interact with.
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