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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 20, 2014 15:16:13 GMT -5
And, in my experience, those who spend a lot of time patting themselves on the back for how "nice" they are, almost never are! But, they seem pretty proud of the way they turn out. Their "meanness" doesn't count apparently. LOL! OMG!!!! That is sooooo true!!! They are usually the most passive/aggressive beasts I have ever come across! <<Zaire stops self patting>> whoops my bad!
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Post by Shooby on Aug 20, 2014 15:34:21 GMT -5
Ha, ha Zaire! You actually are sometimes TOO NICE for your own good!
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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 20, 2014 15:41:36 GMT -5
why Thank You Queen Shooby!
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Post by milee on Aug 20, 2014 15:59:05 GMT -5
You can't tell who's mentally sound and who isn't with everyone by casual contact. Agreed.Mental illnesses/addictions affect more of the population than you think. NAMI cites that 1 in 4 adults will experience an mental health disorder within a given year. Of course the percentage of mental illnesses that are more serious is quite a bit less than that. Than I think? No. Borderline what?
I am very aware of the types of mental illness and the extent in the population. I have done extensive reading and I work in a facility with a population that has issues and have lots of personal experience as well.
People like to say mentally ill forgetting it is an umbrella term like physically ill. We don't say all people who are physically ill are more likely to be bleeding than those who are not, because it is a stupid thought and comparison.
Do you really think depressedpeople, i.e. mentally ill DSM categorized people are more ugly to others than average ? My guess is they are actually less likely to be so. Yet a narcisst is more likely to be an asshole and be able to charm some and treat others like shit. Narcissim is not a treatable DSM category, so in my humble but well-read opinion it should not be seen as "mental illness" the broad category which should again IMO should only encompass those mental illnesses that could get one sent to the mental hospital.
So Depression, Schizophrenia, Catatonic, etc Not Narcissim, Asperberger's, etc.
Plus you have the whole category of physically induced changes in mental status like brain injuries, drug effects, etc. that are actually assholes by physical illness that l ay people and those not paying attention will incorrectly lump into the broad brush of mental illness. (Will fix editing and dumb ass key jumping later.)
Not sure what exactly you're reading, but you may not want to put yourself out there as "well-read" on mental illness if you're asking "borderline what?" and referring to "Asperberger's."
Edited to add: Looks like after this post, Opti and Rae have further discussion. I'm not getting into the middle of any of that, just pointing out that trying to claim to have some sort of knowledge about mental illness and including some of the basic questions (about borderline) and misstatements in the post claiming expertise are equivalent to someone getting up and saying that they're an expert on baseball and then asking "What are these "Yankees" and "Arby Eyes" you keep mentioning?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 20, 2014 16:08:15 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem right now is that everyone feels like there isn't enough pie to go around. Jobs are scarce, incomes are falling, people are taking on larger and larger amounts of debt. It feels like there are too many people chasing too few resources, and everyone wants to be the winner. It feels like life is a competition these days, and most of us aren't doing as well as we wish we were. It's somewhat natural if you're in that mindset to resent your fellow competitors, especially the ones who seem to be doing better than you for reasons that seem outside their control.
Look at how many people bag on rich folks, especially the ones who inherited money instead of, or in addition to, working for it. Our economy feels a bit like a giant game of musical chairs. We're all scrambling around and we know there aren't going to be enough chairs when the music stops, not even remotely enough. So we start scrambling around faster, maybe throwing the occasional elbow when people are in our way. It happens with everything, not just jobs. Getting into college. Buying a house. Shit, look at videos of people shopping on Black Friday. Fist fights and shit over cheap Chinese made crap. It's like everyone feels like there isn't enough of anything to go around, and they'll be dammed if other people are going to get their share.
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2014 16:10:09 GMT -5
Milee,
I don't agree with the current definition or usage of the term mental illness. Some people lump Asperberger's, ADHD into mental illness, some do not.
I am not saying I am an expert, but I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. The programmer in Moneyball for example, didn't need to know what "Arby Eyes" was in order to turn the baseball world on its ear. He knew that the old wisdom of building a baseball team was incomplete and too costly for the team he worked for.
Similarly, I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined. I don't need to know the current accepted definitions of borderline personality disorder to do so. I asked as a way to determine where the poster was coming from just like asking about the Yankees and "Arby Eyes" might give one a clue on what someone knows about baseball and how they think about it.
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2014 16:21:48 GMT -5
FWIW, you possibly could be an expert in non-American baseball and not know who the Yankees are. Being an expert in baseball IMO should be about the actual game, i.e. subject matter, versus the trappings and history, i.e. teams, players, etc. And there are different types of experts. Ones that can teach how to play baseball, those who know how to manage teams that do so, or those who are experts in finding baseball talent and making use of it.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Aug 20, 2014 16:32:42 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem right now is that everyone feels like there isn't enough pie to go around. Jobs are scarce, incomes are falling, people are taking on larger and larger amounts of debt. It feels like there are too many people chasing too few resources, and everyone wants to be the winner. It feels like life is a competition these days, and most of us aren't doing as well as we wish we were. It's somewhat natural if you're in that mindset to resent your fellow competitors, especially the ones who seem to be doing better than you for reasons that seem outside their control. Look at how many people bag on rich folks, especially the ones who inherited money instead of, or in addition to, working for it. Our economy feels a bit like a giant game of musical chairs. We're all scrambling around and we know there aren't going to be enough chairs when the music stops, not even remotely enough. So we start scrambling around faster, maybe throwing the occasional elbow when people are in our way. It happens with everything, not just jobs. Getting into college. Buying a house. Shit, look at videos of people shopping on Black Friday. Fist fights and shit over cheap Chinese made crap. It's like everyone feels like there isn't enough of anything to go around, and they'll be dammed if other people are going to get their share. I don't get why that is because I don't think life is a competition nor do I think there isn't enough pie in the U.S. I think there is plenty and, for the most part, too much! I don't care how people live their lives, what they do for a living, how much they make, how much stuff they own, how many kids they have, or if their car is old or new or even borrowed or owned. I care if there is food on the table, bills are paid and that I can afford/get medical insurance and have a decent roof over my head. If somebody has a nicer roof or better food and love their jobs and kids - good for them. But it doesn't make me feel "less" or like I'm missing out in any way or that I have to compete with them. I don't feel I need to be mean because somebody has less or more than us. I just care if they want to hang out and have fun with us now and then. I think people would be happier and would be more mentally sound if they would quit competing so much with other people. I get using other's as a guide to where you want to be some day but trying to compete makes no sense to me. Unless you are playing cards or a game. Then all bets are off!
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Post by milee on Aug 20, 2014 16:32:56 GMT -5
Milee,
I don't agree with the current definition or usage of the term mental illness. Some people lump Asperberger's, ADHD into mental illness, some do not.
I am not saying I am an expert, but I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. The programmer in Moneyball for example, didn't need to know what "Arby Eyes" was in order to turn the baseball world on its ear. He knew that the old wisdom of building a baseball team was incomplete and too costly for the team he worked for.
Similarly, I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined. I don't need to know the current accepted definitions of borderline personality disorder to do so. I asked as a way to determine where the poster was coming from just like asking about the Yankees and "Arby Eyes" might give one a clue on what someone knows about baseball and how they think about it.
I'm trying to say this as gently but succinctly as possible - you do not understand enough about the subject matter (as is evidenced by your posts) to be in a position to opine on the validity of the subject. You may have some wonderful ideas, you may be the next breakthrough scientist in this area, you may set the world on fire with your genius ideas, but first you have to understand what you're talking about. You say you don't agree with the definitions or usage of the term mental illness, but you don't even know enough about it to have a basis on which to disagree. When you at least understand what the basis of the current system is, then it would be reasonable to state disagreement and offer alternate ideas.
For example, nobody's lumping "Asperberger's" into mental illness, because there is no such thing. There used to be a form of Autism referred to as "Asperger's", but that DX was eliminated with the latest DSM. Not sure if that's what you're referring to though since you don't even know the basics about it - like the name.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 20, 2014 16:34:37 GMT -5
Milee,
I don't agree with the current definition or usage of the term mental illness. Some people lump Asperberger's, ADHD into mental illness, some do not.
I am not saying I am an expert, but I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. The programmer in Moneyball for example, didn't need to know what "Arby Eyes" was in order to turn the baseball world on its ear. He knew that the old wisdom of building a baseball team was incomplete and too costly for the team he worked for.
Similarly, I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined. I don't need to know the current accepted definitions of borderline personality disorder to do so. I asked as a way to determine where the poster was coming from just like asking about the Yankees and "Arby Eyes" might give one a clue on what someone knows about baseball and how they think about it.
This pretty much supports my 2nd post in this thread, so I'm not sure why you bothered to disagree with that post.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Aug 20, 2014 16:37:29 GMT -5
Milee,
I don't agree with the current definition or usage of the term mental illness. Some people lump Asperberger's, ADHD into mental illness, some do not.
I am not saying I am an expert, but I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. The programmer in Moneyball for example, didn't need to know what "Arby Eyes" was in order to turn the baseball world on its ear. He knew that the old wisdom of building a baseball team was incomplete and too costly for the team he worked for.
Similarly, I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined. I don't need to know the current accepted definitions of borderline personality disorder to do so. I asked as a way to determine where the poster was coming from just like asking about the Yankees and "Arby Eyes" might give one a clue on what someone knows about baseball and how they think about it.
Wow, mighty full of yourself.
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2014 16:38:31 GMT -5
Milee,
I don't agree with the current definition or usage of the term mental illness. Some people lump Asperberger's, ADHD into mental illness, some do not.
I am not saying I am an expert, but I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. The programmer in Moneyball for example, didn't need to know what "Arby Eyes" was in order to turn the baseball world on its ear. He knew that the old wisdom of building a baseball team was incomplete and too costly for the team he worked for.
Similarly, I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined. I don't need to know the current accepted definitions of borderline personality disorder to do so. I asked as a way to determine where the poster was coming from just like asking about the Yankees and "Arby Eyes" might give one a clue on what someone knows about baseball and how they think about it.
Wow, mighty full of yourself. Maybe, maybe not. You don't know me.
The few times I ever try to brag because I actually do know something not everyone knows, it comes off to people who don't know me as being 'full of myself', arrogant, etc.
I'm really starting to understand why one poster embraces the tag of arrogant. Its easier than continually restating things in a way not to piss people off. I generally suck at self promotion so its tough when I state something I believe to be true, it is met with derision, etc.
Yes it sounds like a tall order and out there. Since people quoted it, deleting my post won't fix anything. I do however truly believe that there are pieces of what is considered mental health, mental illness that could be transformed if I did concentrate on that area. And yes in profound ways.
But, and this is important, that doesn't mean I think that would make me more special than anyone else on the planet.
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Post by milee on Aug 20, 2014 16:41:42 GMT -5
I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined.
Well, you've got some time on your hands, why not go for it? It's an area that needs some heroes, so if you're that person, you can be a superstar.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 20, 2014 17:05:10 GMT -5
Milee,
I don't agree with the current definition or usage of the term mental illness. Some people lump Asperberger's, ADHD into mental illness, some do not.
I am not saying I am an expert, but I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. The programmer in Moneyball for example, didn't need to know what "Arby Eyes" was in order to turn the baseball world on its ear. He knew that the old wisdom of building a baseball team was incomplete and too costly for the team he worked for.
Similarly, I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined. I don't need to know the current accepted definitions of borderline personality disorder to do so. I asked as a way to determine where the poster was coming from just like asking about the Yankees and "Arby Eyes" might give one a clue on what someone knows about baseball and how they think about it.
Wow, mighty full of yourself. So is everyone else here. So what?
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Post by Shooby on Aug 20, 2014 17:06:26 GMT -5
I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined.
Well, you've got some time on your hands, why not go for it? It's an area that needs some heroes, so if you're that person, you can be a superstar. Why are some people so ugly to each other?
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Post by chen35 on Aug 20, 2014 17:09:03 GMT -5
1. What are Arby Eyes?
2. So there is no medical diagnosis of Aspergers anymore?
(From the non-expert on anything. ETA - I'm also not that nice).
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Post by Shooby on Aug 20, 2014 17:10:09 GMT -5
I love Arby's. I usually get a med roast beef and chocolate shake.
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Post by swasat on Aug 20, 2014 17:11:50 GMT -5
Wow, mighty full of yourself. Maybe, maybe not. You don't know me.
Ali used to call himself the greatest. Was he full of himself or accurate?
Both. However he had enough success to claim that he was the greatest. Honestly though....some mod should lock this thread. Its turning ugly.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 20, 2014 17:13:54 GMT -5
I really like Arbys curley fries too.
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Post by milee on Aug 20, 2014 17:23:25 GMT -5
Well, you've got some time on your hands, why not go for it? It's an area that needs some heroes, so if you're that person, you can be a superstar. Why are some people so ugly to each other? I dunno, but I gotta go... Grandma's calling me.
COMING, GRANDMA!!! GIVE ME A MINUTE TO GET UP THESE STAIRS! Sheesh.
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Post by milee on Aug 20, 2014 17:27:32 GMT -5
1. What are Arby Eyes? Sorry the quotes aren't working for me - it's a joke about someone not knowing about "RBIs". RBI is a baseball term and for someone to mangle it or not even know what it is is a clue maybe they're not an expert.2. So there is no medical diagnosis of Aspergers anymore? (From the non-expert on anything. ETA - I'm also not that nice). Just making the point that it's tough to claim you know what you're talking about, know more than and disagree with current practice if you don't even know what current practice is. "Asperger's" was eliminated from the DSM in 2013. And there never was anything called "Asperbergers."
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2014 17:28:05 GMT -5
Milee,
I don't agree with the current definition or usage of the term mental illness. Some people lump Asperberger's, ADHD into mental illness, some do not.
I am not saying I am an expert, but I do think my understanding of the overall area is ahead of where it is and is where someday we will be. The programmer in Moneyball for example, didn't need to know what "Arby Eyes" was in order to turn the baseball world on its ear. He knew that the old wisdom of building a baseball team was incomplete and too costly for the team he worked for.
Similarly, I know there is a better way. I think I could turn the mental health field on its ear if I were so inclined. I don't need to know the current accepted definitions of borderline personality disorder to do so. I asked as a way to determine where the poster was coming from just like asking about the Yankees and "Arby Eyes" might give one a clue on what someone knows about baseball and how they think about it.
I'm trying to say this as gently but succinctly as possible - you do not understand enough about the subject matter (as is evidenced by your posts) to be in a position to opine on the validity of the subject. You may have some wonderful ideas, you may be the next breakthrough scientist in this area, you may set the world on fire with your genius ideas, but first you have to understand what you're talking about. You say you don't agree with the definitions or usage of the term mental illness, but you don't even know enough about it to have a basis on which to disagree. When you at least understand what the basis of the current system is, then it would be reasonable to state disagreement and offer alternate ideas.
For example, nobody's lumping "Asperberger's" into mental illness, because there is no such thing. There used to be a form of Autism referred to as "Asperger's", but that DX was eliminated with the latest DSM. Not sure if that's what you're referring to though since you don't even know the basics about it - like the name.
I've read parts of the old DSMs. I've read the accepted thought leaders from the past and those like Szaz and Breggin. (Might be mis-spelled).
I care more about ultimate truths than what is currently in or out of fashion per the DSM or polite PB talk. I understand fine, but I do not care to waste my time on understanding fully the new DSM V nor where DSM VI is heading. My base is more from the DSM III and DSM IV days.
I find its like dealing with the latest version of Microsoft Windows. I don't even need to know everything or much to determine it still doesn't do things that UNIX and IBM mainframes have been doing for years. Sometimes the important stuff changes so slowly you can be current with ideas that are 30, 40 or 60 years old. Sometimes shit is just renamed and technology is created built around it. The cloud is old. The name is new and the tools used now are new, but most of that existed way before it become popular and got shiny new names and sw.
Some ideas clear the table and start over from the beginning. Some rearrange it, re-package it and call it new and improved. To me the basics are the concepts. A name is just a label, it is not the thing itself.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 20, 2014 17:32:38 GMT -5
I'm also curious about Arby Eyes now. (I fully admit I know next to nothing about baseball - I just recently got over hating it because I worked five minutes from the Giants stadium so every time they played at home I could double or triple my commute time but that's no longer an issue because I work ten minutes from my house, YAY!)
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Post by Opti on Aug 20, 2014 17:32:51 GMT -5
1. What are Arby Eyes? Sorry the quotes aren't working for me - it's a joke about someone not knowing about "RBIs". RBI is a baseball term and for someone to mangle it or not even know what it is is a clue maybe they're not an expert. 2. So there is no medical diagnosis of Aspergers anymore? (From the non-expert on anything. ETA - I'm also not that nice). Just making the point that it's tough to claim you know what you're talking about, know more than and disagree with current practice if you don't even know what current practice is. "Asperger's" was eliminated from the DSM in 2013. And there never was anything called "Asperbergers." I'm having issues with my keyboard so I don't correct my mis-spellings like I used to.
However that elimination proves my point. Things go in, they go out. Is it physical? Is it "mental"? It is a work in progress, fashion, politics, yada yada.
Haha, thanks Chen. I missed that too. I believe RBI is runs batted in or some such. So did not get the link to "Arby eyes".
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Post by Firebird on Aug 20, 2014 17:33:27 GMT -5
And there never was anything called "Asperbergers."
They sound yummy though.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 20, 2014 17:37:00 GMT -5
Borderline what?
I am very aware of the types of mental illness and the extent in the population. I have done extensive reading and I work in a facility with a population that has issues and have lots of personal experience as well.
People like to say mentally ill forgetting it is an umbrella term like physically ill. We don't say all people who are physically ill are more likely to be bleeding than those who are not, because it is a stupid thought and comparison.
Do you really think depressedpeople, i.e. mentally ill DSM categorized people are more ugly to others than average ? My guess is they are actually less likely to be so. Yet a narcisst is more likely to be an asshole and be able to charm some and treat others like shit. Narcissim is not a treatable DSM category, so in my humble but well-read opinion it should not be seen as "mental illness" the broad category which should again IMO should only encompass those mental illnesses that could get one sent to the mental hospital.
So Depression, Schizophrenia, Catatonic, etc Not Narcissim, Asperberger's, etc.
Plus you have the whole category of physically induced changes in mental status like brain injuries, drug effects, etc. that are actually assholes by physical illness that l ay people and those not paying attention will incorrectly lump into the broad brush of mental illness. (Will fix editing and dumb ass key jumping later.)
Not sure what exactly you're reading, but you may not want to put yourself out there as "well-read" on mental illness if you're asking "borderline what?" and referring to "Asperberger's."
Edited to add: Looks like after this post, Opti and Rae have further discussion. I'm not getting into the middle of any of that, just pointing out that trying to claim to have some sort of knowledge about mental illness and including some of the basic questions (about borderline) and misstatements in the post claiming expertise are equivalent to someone getting up and saying that they're an expert on baseball and then asking "What are these "Yankees" and "Arby Eyes" you keep mentioning?
LOL! Okay, I'll bite! What are "Arby Eyes"? Is that "cutesy" for Runs Batted In, or am I way out in left field?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 20, 2014 17:37:29 GMT -5
RBI's are runs batted in. It's a statistic that measures how well a player is at getting hits with players on base. Also referred to as Rubies, or Rib Eyes.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 20, 2014 17:37:44 GMT -5
LOL! Okay, I'll bite! What are "Arby Eyes"? Is that "cutesy" for Runs Batted In, or am I way out in left field?
Oh, that would make sense.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Aug 20, 2014 17:37:57 GMT -5
Those are burgers made out of people with Asperger's. I think they are low in fat but high in intelligence.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 20, 2014 17:42:37 GMT -5
Who really dies of the illness of homosexuality or narcissim?
I missed this before but did you really mean to call homosexuality an illness?
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