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Post by Value Buy on Aug 16, 2017 23:20:25 GMT -5
I admit, this is a good one!
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 16, 2017 23:29:39 GMT -5
I didn't want to start a new thread so I'm posting this here - if it's okay. I'm sorry it's so long but didn't want those that can't click on the link miss anything. This guy is seriously cracking me up. We all knew they were cowards but this guy takes the cake! Mr. Big talk with his pistol ready for violence but now wants to be peaceful. And he's saying he's a good guy but has a record and is afraid the police will kill him. Video in link below. Anybody have sympathy for him? No? Nobody? I sure don't. White Supremacist cries over possible arrest"A neo-Nazi who said he was “ready for violence” at the deadly rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, has released footage of himself weeping after learning there is allegedly a warrant out for his arrest. Christopher Cantwell, who was followed during the gathering of neo-Nazis, KKK, white supremacists and alt-right for a 22-minute documentary for VICE, showed off his guns to journalist Elle Reeve and boasted: “I'm carrying a pistol, I go to the gym all the time, I'm trying to make myself more capable of violence.” However, in mobile phone footage uploaded to YouTube on Wednesday, Cantwell said he was terrified after learning the police wanted to speak with him. “I have been told there’s a warrant out for my arrest,” he said on the video. “With everything that’s happening, I don’t think it’s very wise for me to go anywhere. There’s a state of emergency. The National Guard is here!” “I want to be peaceful. I want to be law-abiding. That was the whole entire point of this,” Cantwell continues. “I’m watching CNN talk about this as a violent, white nationalist protest. We have done everything in our power to keep this peaceful!” he added. The neo-Nazi, who said in the VICE interview that he would like to see someone “more racist than Trump” in the White House, with his ideal candidate for president being someone who did not “give his daughter away to a Jew,” provided a contact number for police to get in touch if there was a warrant out for his arrest. “If I can confirm you are in fact law enforcement I will give you my location and let you come and get me. I am armed, I do not want violence with you. I’m terrified, I’m afraid you’re going to kill me, I really am,” he said. “If I gotta go to jail today, you know it won’t be the f**king first time… I honestly believe I have been law-abiding. I have been engaged in violence, I have, there’s no question about it and I’ve done nothing to hide that but it was in defense of myself and others and I would not have done it for any other reason,” he added." www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-supremacist-cries-over-possible-arrest-warrant/ar-AAqdjlW?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=spartandhpFragile little snowflake.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 17, 2017 8:40:08 GMT -5
You know, it is things like this, being called deplorable, small minded, stupid, racist, Nazi, and twenty some other derogatory insults is the reason that I am glad that I voted against Hillary! It is also the reason that I will vote for Trump next time! Thanks Steff for helping make up my mind this early. I am willing to bet that I am not alone in being offended by these insults. A little later today, I am going to my best customer, the one where the General manager give me the Nazi salute, that I have up till this point ignored. So, if he gives me the salute today, Should I punch him in the mouth lay him out cold, Or quit, call the owner who is on vacation? She did not call you that. (Unless that's what you identify as?) She actually specifically called out supporters for assuming all of Trumps supporters were that. No need. I already know exactly what you are...
What was the purpose of this comment??
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2017 8:48:12 GMT -5
A dig that she hoped would bother me but it didn't. I considered the source and let it slide. Being considered evil by her is a compliment.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 17, 2017 9:46:28 GMT -5
I admit, this is a good one! The word is southern Illinois is one of the prime spots to observe the total eclipse in the midwest. Today's forecast for the exact time.....cloudy and maybe raining at the optimum time...... Just sayin" Now if we get a white buffalo running through a prairie at the same time, I will take it as a sign! (Think Indian lore and white buffaloes)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 9:49:49 GMT -5
A dig that she hoped would bother me but it didn't. I considered the source and let it slide. Being considered evil by her is a compliment. You? It wasn't addressed to you.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 17, 2017 9:54:15 GMT -5
A dig that she hoped would bother me but it didn't. I considered the source and let it slide. Being considered evil by her is a compliment. You? It wasn't addressed to you. She understands that.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 17, 2017 9:58:58 GMT -5
Yes both sides are violent, but the biggest difference in all of this that so many people are failing to understand:
BLM/Antifa = fighting for equality KKK/Nazi = fighting for superiority
There is a HUGE difference in the two. It saddens me that so many cannot see this! You can see it if you hide half of BLM/Antifa behind a sheet, cover one eye, squint, and observe from a distance of a quarter mile. When one observes both rioting, publishing ethnocentric rhetoric, mobbing dissident speakers and harassing their listeners, demanding censorship, shutting down universities, and marching down highways with hateful slogans, the ideological differences between the two seem more superficial. Plus, as usual, the left is ignoring the phenomenal difference in magnitude between the two movements.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 17, 2017 10:05:12 GMT -5
All due respect- that is NOT what I wrote, or what I meant. I do not advocate violence at all, and in fact am a fan of both The Mahatma Gandhi and MLK Jr. The choices are acquiescence or resistance. If I did not clarify, I support non violent resistance to the radical racists. Define "non-violent resistance". Does getting forums to shut down events, disinvite speakers, etc. for fear of mass civil disturbance constitute non-violent resistance? What about mobbing an event and harassing people as they enter? Or disrupting a political rally by screaming over the speaker? Blocking a major highway? Demanding censorship of objectionable materials? All of these reasonably meet the broad definition of 'violence'. Which of them do you approve of as "non-violent resistance"?
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2017 10:44:01 GMT -5
So we should not confront Nazi sympathizers? We should not say their ideas are wrong and counter protest to bring attention to the fact that the Nazi's did absolutely horrendous things in the past? If they show up with guns, shields and billy clubs but you simply wish to counter protest, you should not even bring a weapon to defend yourself?
Remember the police refused to protect the Synagogue?
Where were you when the blm was causing chaos?
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2017 10:44:52 GMT -5
Btw, temples and synagogues hire their own protection and have for decades.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 17, 2017 11:03:33 GMT -5
www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/17/charlottesville-law-enforcement-failed-protect-first-amendment-rights-robert-shibley-column/573719001/
The real problem here is that the Police failed to control the crowd/situation. Authorities have a motivation to do this as described in the article. I was not able to cut and paste, and don't want to paraphrase, b/c I will probably plagiarize instead.
They indicate that when they refuse to control the even and violence ensues, they can then cancel free speech events "for fear of violence erupting" and blame whichever side they like less.
I think we have many issues that are a problem. Police are not doing their jobs, Politicians are allowing it to serve their own ends, various groups are lumping all the "bad" apples in a group together, and claiming their goals are = to the goals of everyone on the left or the right. I read an article this am that the KKK is not really a conservative movement - they are actually communist or socialist.
The article points out that in the 60's the Founder of the American Nazi Party was able to speak at several Colleges despite the fact that there were probably people in the audience that fought in WWII, or lost loved ones. If they could control that crowd, what is different today?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 17, 2017 11:11:32 GMT -5
BLM is protesting for justice. BLM is protesting on behalf of what they call "justice", but when pinned down to specific lists of demands, the movement is as unhinged as any white supremacist group. I've cited these before, but I find it hard to believe anyone who's read policy statements put out by their major affiliates can make claims like "BLM is protesting for justice." with a straight face. Read the list of demands made by the BLM founder. If that constitutes "justice", I'm a son of a snow leopard.
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Post by hurley1980 on Aug 17, 2017 12:00:50 GMT -5
You can see it if you hide half of BLM/Antifa behind a sheet, cover one eye, squint, and observe from a distance of a quarter mile. When one observes both rioting, publishing ethnocentric rhetoric, mobbing dissident speakers and harassing their listeners, demanding censorship, shutting down universities, and marching down highways with hateful slogans, the ideological differences between the two seem more superficial. Plus, as usual, the left is ignoring the phenomenal difference in magnitude between the two movements. First of all, BLM and Antifa are not the same thing. I am still actually at a bit of a loss as to exactly what "Antifa" is. And yes, I have read the definition. I just have not seen the actual people involved, either in person or in the news. But BLM is it's own distinct group, and it is really not by definition either right or left. BLM marched in Portland (Maine) and they were peaceful. They DID block traffic, and they DID fail to disperse when ordered to. There were some arrests, by a police force that was by most accounts very respectful. Most of the marchers were idealistic youngish sympathizers with the cause, it seemed. Portland Maine had seen no police killings however. There was no local outrage against atrocities against OUR community. Had there been, there probably would have been a lot more frustration, rage, and possibly also property destruction and violence. Violence is NOT right, unless it is in self defense. Wonton destruction of property is NOT right. When people, left, right or purple do either they are subject to arrest and prosecution, and rightfully so. Regarding your last point- thank goodness there is a difference in magnitude. BLM is protesting for justice. The Neo Nazis are protesting for?Thank you! I feel like this shouldn't need to be explained. Of course violence is never the right answer. But if violence is going to happen, I'd prefer to be on the side that is fighting for justice and equality, rather than the side that is fighting for superiority and inequality.
Both sides are violent, which side do you want to be on when this is written into history books?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 17, 2017 17:02:03 GMT -5
I didn't either until after the election and all the protests began. I'll be paying attention and looking out for the group, coalition, or whatever they are, now. I am curious. They sound more like anarchists than anything from what I've heard so far. And I don't know how they got the label "antifa". Although on the face of it being anti-fascist is a good thing. They don't even know what "fascism" means. Quite literally. More often than not, they'll use it to describe doctrines wholly antithetical to fascism. I'd compare it to the right's abuse of the word "liberal", but liberal-in-name-only progressives actually refer to themselves as "liberal". "Fascist" comes straight out of the blue, seemingly as pejorative for "conservative".
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 17, 2017 18:01:04 GMT -5
Anti-free speech and anti-government does not sound like two thing that would be classified as extreme left. It sounds like a different version of extreme conservative values.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 17, 2017 20:16:08 GMT -5
Anti-free speech and anti-government does not sound like two thing that would be classified as extreme left. It sounds like a different version of extreme conservative values. Both occur at both extremes. Depending on how broad one makes each definition, both occur at a considerable distance from the extremes too.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 17, 2017 22:40:57 GMT -5
Yes both sides are violent, but the biggest difference in all of this that so many people are failing to understand:
BLM/Antifa = fighting for equality KKK/Nazi = fighting for superiority
There is a HUGE difference in the two. It saddens me that so many cannot see this! You can see it if you hide half of BLM/Antifa behind a sheet, cover one eye, squint, and observe from a distance of a quarter mile. When one observes both rioting, publishing ethnocentric rhetoric, mobbing dissident speakers and harassing their listeners, demanding censorship, shutting down universities, and marching down highways with hateful slogans, the ideological differences between the two seem more superficial. Plus, as usual, the left is ignoring the phenomenal difference in magnitude between the two movements. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%E2%80%98antifa%E2%80%99-grows-as-left-wing-faction-set-to-literally-fight-the-far-right/ar-AAqgifH?li=BBnbcA1
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Post by jkapp on Aug 18, 2017 15:32:10 GMT -5
No. He doesn't get it. It's not worth it. Just ignore him. The cry of the liberal "open minds." Ignore any other opinions and only "debate" with people with the same ideas as us.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 18, 2017 15:38:28 GMT -5
SO finally the left sees why so many of us had an issue with the president refusing to call out Islamic Extremism? Too bad it took so long as the Islamist Extremists became more bold... You really don't get it? Really? First of all, Islamic extremists are a problem of foreign origin. And as I recall, we are involved in two different wars to try to bring them to heel. When they raised their ugly heads domestically we are on them like stink on shit. That is more substantial than name calling. AND not all Islamic people are extremists, just like not all Americans are Alt right neo Nazi scum. The Alt Right terrorists are DOMESTIC. They want to subvert OUR country, and denigrate (or worse) OUR fellow citizens. Yes, Islamic terrorists wish us harm too, but these domestic scum are potentially much worse. Look at it this way: In my state of Wisconsin, the top 5 hate groups are Alt-Right/Nazi type groups. One of the most dangerous cities in the whole of America is Milwaukee...EXCEPT it is not the most dangerous city because of the Alt-Right hate groups. So why is it that we need to concentrate on the hate groups while other groups are making our cities incredibly unsafe? That is my entire argument. While the left wants to concentrate their efforts on Alt-Right groups, they want to completely ignore other groups that are making our cities dangerous places to live seemingly out of pure PC nonsense.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 18, 2017 15:52:24 GMT -5
You might mean me...but you are proving my point. I'm trying to call out ALL violent groups, while you want to only call out the ones that don't hurt your politically correct sensibilities.
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Post by Opti on Aug 18, 2017 21:12:16 GMT -5
You might mean me...but you are proving my point. I'm trying to call out ALL violent groups, while you want to only call out the ones that don't hurt your politically correct sensibilities. You were not trying to call out all violent groups. And you really need to actually read my posts, and my posts alone before you say incorrect crap. I wrote that comment because somehow you or whomever seemed offended that people, people who generally issued death threats to various groups would receive death threats themselves. Some counter protesters were peaceful. Some weren't. Why assume it was the 'peaceful' ones that made the death threats against the Unite the Right groups?!
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Post by bean29 on Aug 19, 2017 2:23:36 GMT -5
You really don't get it? Really? First of all, Islamic extremists are a problem of foreign origin. And as I recall, we are involved in two different wars to try to bring them to heel. When they raised their ugly heads domestically we are on them like stink on shit. That is more substantial than name calling. AND not all Islamic people are extremists, just like not all Americans are Alt right neo Nazi scum. The Alt Right terrorists are DOMESTIC. They want to subvert OUR country, and denigrate (or worse) OUR fellow citizens. Yes, Islamic terrorists wish us harm too, but these domestic scum are potentially much worse. Look at it this way: In my state of Wisconsin, the top 5 hate groups are Alt-Right/Nazi type groups. One of the most dangerous cities in the whole of America is Milwaukee...EXCEPT it is not the most dangerous city because of the Alt-Right hate groups. So why is it that we need to concentrate on the hate groups while other groups are making our cities incredibly unsafe? That is my entire argument. While the left wants to concentrate their efforts on Alt-Right groups, they want to completely ignore other groups that are making our cities dangerous places to live seemingly out of pure PC nonsense. How do you think the left wants to ignore the inner city? What is the right proposing to help the inner city? Jobs, education, access to health care, food deserts. Violence in the inner city is largely the result of desperation due to the lack of access to the above.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 19, 2017 8:49:14 GMT -5
Look at it this way: In my state of Wisconsin, the top 5 hate groups are Alt-Right/Nazi type groups. One of the most dangerous cities in the whole of America is Milwaukee...EXCEPT it is not the most dangerous city because of the Alt-Right hate groups. So why is it that we need to concentrate on the hate groups while other groups are making our cities incredibly unsafe? That is my entire argument. While the left wants to concentrate their efforts on Alt-Right groups, they want to completely ignore other groups that are making our cities dangerous places to live seemingly out of pure PC nonsense. How do you think the left wants to ignore the inner city? What is the right proposing to help the inner city? Jobs, education, access to health care, food deserts. Violence in the inner city is largely the result of desperation due to the lack of access to the above. Bullshit...do you honestly believe that if they had some $12/hr job that none of them would join gangs, kill people, sell drugs, rob homes/home invasions, etc? They already have access to education that they don't even fully utilize, much less appreciate. They also have access to healthcare with huge subsidies, if not completely paid for, yet that doesn't seem to have slowed down the violence and killings. There is a cultural lean towards joining gangs, blowing off educational opportunities, and selling/using drugs that seems to be completely ignored. And it always seems to come down to everything ELSE being the problem...victim mentality is always the default go-to excuse by the left because that's the only explanation that fits into their politically correct mindset.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 27, 2017 11:49:55 GMT -5
This guy wasn't too smart shooting off his gun. Fortunately, no one was injured and the man has been arrested: Video Shows Man Shooting At Crowd During Charlottesville Rally, With No Police ResponseA man attending the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, earlier this month fired his gun in the direction of a black counterprotester who was holding a torch, and police in their vicinity did not seem to respond. Those events appear in a video filmed two weeks ago by a volunteer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia and published by the civil rights group on Saturday. As seen in the footage below, a man in a blue sleeveless shirt, a green vest and a bandana on his head pulls out a gun and aims it at a counterprotester, who is off camera and appears to be holding a makeshift lit torch. The first man appears to yell a racial slur at the black man, then fires the gun toward the ground in the direction of the counterprotesters. The shooter then leaves the scene by joining a line of white supremacist protesters and walking past law enforcement officers, who were standing behind metal barricades about 10 feet away. Video Shows Man Shooting At Crowd During Charlottesville Rally, With No Police Response
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 27, 2017 12:02:10 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2017 18:56:47 GMT -5
How do you think the left wants to ignore the inner city? What is the right proposing to help the inner city? Jobs, education, access to health care, food deserts. Violence in the inner city is largely the result of desperation due to the lack of access to the above. Bullshit...do you honestly believe that if they had some $12/hr job that none of them would join gangs, kill people, sell drugs, rob homes/home invasions, etc? They already have access to education that they don't even fully utilize, much less appreciate. They also have access to healthcare with huge subsidies, if not completely paid for, yet that doesn't seem to have slowed down the violence and killings. There is a cultural lean towards joining gangs, blowing off educational opportunities, and selling/using drugs that seems to be completely ignored. And it always seems to come down to everything ELSE being the problem...victim mentality is always the default go-to excuse by the left because that's the only explanation that fits into their politically correct mindset. I've seen way too much of the victim mentality on the right lately. I bet you don't realize that many of the new alt-right became that way because they don't have the opportunities they expected either. IMO it really doesn't matter if you are a poor black who can't get a job because everywhere around only hires whites or you are a poor white person who can't get a job because only the black people get those jobs. Both those situations suck and need to be fixed. You shouldn't need to be a liberal or even moderate to realize both situations lead to bad things.
Its sad when being politically incorrect means also being unable to do social math. The alt-right isn't surging just because Trump got elected. BLM and similar is not surging simply because of police violence. A service economy where PT jobs become the norm over FT plus the departure of well paying factory jobs has dealt serious economic blows to poor of all races and all political persuasions.
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