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Post by Shooby on Aug 13, 2017 7:56:51 GMT -5
This POS president couldn't condemn the white supremacists for the violence. After all they are part of his base. Instead he blames "many sides" and Obama for the hate in our country. The governor of VA got it right, telling them to go home and they don't belong in America. Make America great again. Get rid of Trump.Trump condemned this so i dont' know what you are talking about. And, BLM is a racist organization no different than the KKK.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 13, 2017 7:57:41 GMT -5
The driver of the car should be tried and executed. And, we need more executions of violent criminals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 8:04:38 GMT -5
Trump didn't condemn them. Their message, their tactics or their aims. They celebrated his comments.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2017 8:05:54 GMT -5
This POS president couldn't condemn the white supremacists for the violence. After all they are part of his base. Instead he blames "many sides" and Obama for the hate in our country. The governor of VA got it right, telling them to go home and they don't belong in America. Make America great again. Get rid of Trump.Trump condemned this so i dont' know what you are talking about. And, BLM is a racist organization no different than the KKK. Republican lawmakers criticize Trump response to CharlottesvilleRepublican lawmakers went after President Trump on Saturday over his statement on violent clashes in Charlottesville, Va., with one senator going as far as saying Trump needed to call it a "terror attack by white supremacists." "Mr. President - we must call evil by its name. These were white supremacists and this was domestic terrorism," Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) tweeted. Gardner was joined by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) in directly calling out Trump. "Very important for the nation to hear [President Trump] describe events in Charlottesville for what they are, a terror attack by white supremacists," Rubio said on Twitter. And more: Republican lawmakers criticize Trump response to Charlottesville
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Post by Shooby on Aug 13, 2017 8:06:46 GMT -5
Trump didn't condemn them. Their message, their tactics or their aims. They celebrated his comments. And, Obama sent aid and comfort to the families of the cop killers as well. But yeah, whatevs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 8:06:46 GMT -5
BLM says they want to secure EQUAL rights for black children. Yesterday was about securing white SUPREMACY. I.e. Denying those equal rights. If you can't hear, see and understand the difference, I'm not sure what to tell you. One group came to protest a political correct action. The other group came to protest the protestors. The BLM came to protest because they have civil Rights! The white guys are wrong to protest because they don't have the same Rights? Right?? They have stated their aims. If you want to ignore them, fine. But don't debate what you refuse to address. same rights? Black people showing up in riot gear, with torches, pushing back against police lines would be dead.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 13, 2017 8:13:41 GMT -5
One group came to protest a political correct action. The other group came to protest the protestors. The BLM came to protest because they have civil Rights! The white guys are wrong to protest because they don't have the same Rights? Right?? They have stated their aims. If you want to ignore them, fine. But don't debate what you refuse to address. same rights? Black people showing up in riot gear, with torches, pushing back against police lines would be dead. Well gee, i guess you forgot about the Berkley protestors dressed like in black like ninjas protesting Milo? Wow.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 8:29:06 GMT -5
This is what is so typical. Which is why it's funny but not funny. If you don't agree, you're spit on with immunity.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2017 8:31:40 GMT -5
This is what is so typical. Which is why it's funny but not funny. If you don't agree, you're spit on with immunity. Impunity.
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Post by midjd on Aug 13, 2017 8:32:55 GMT -5
This is what is so typical. Which is why it's funny but not funny. If you don't agree, you're spit on with immunity. What immunity? The comments were removed within 15 minutes. (For future reference, it's easier for admins to remove COC violations in a timely manner when posters aren't continuing to complain about them in-thread. Reporting is more than sufficient.) -Mid/mod
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 8:34:51 GMT -5
This is what is so typical. Which is why it's funny but not funny. If you don't agree, you're spit on with immunity. Impunity. I thought about using impunity but figured immunity would work as well as it also gets the point across better but thanks for your "correction " of my grammar
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2017 8:36:33 GMT -5
I thought about using impunity but figured immunity would work as well as it also gets the point across better but thanks for your "correction " of my grammar
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2017 11:09:48 GMT -5
Because the Neo nazi, white supremecy groups are not equal to black lives matter. Not in form, function or intent. This is only true insofar as BLM doesn't have a consistent, unified manifesto. They're a loosely-knit coalition of malcontents, black nationalists, and rebels without a cause. They also outnumber members of white supremacist organizations a hundred to one. Even so, they still have their radical elements. These radical elements were responsible for various riots, murders, etc. Pres. Obama didn't acknowledge the affiliations of the perpetrators; he condemned the violence in general terms, which is precisely what Pres. Trump is doing now. How much literature by BLM-affiliated groups have you read? I've posted some of the published work from their mouthpiece organizations over the years. "Take our country back" is part of their rhetoric too, and not even the most incendiary part. They've demanded everything from taxes on American whites to public executions. While it would have been nice for Pres. Obama to have unequivocally denounced these and similar doctrines as dangerous and absurd, I understand why he didn't. It wasn't politically expedient. He feared that condemning the radical elements would alienate the moderate ones. Pres. Trump is bound by the same political dynamics. The situations are as equivalent as any two situations can be.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2017 20:32:14 GMT -5
The Black Lives Matter Group is not at all similar to the groups of Racist white supremacists that converged on VA Saturday. No way, no how. You know as well as I do that nobody on the opposite site of the aisle agrees with this statement (present company included), which explains 95% of our difference of opinion on whether Pres. Trump's refusal to point fingers is acceptable. It's not just BLM, either. It's the "antifa" thugs, "bird doggers", New Black Panthers, and dozens of other left-leaning groups the previous administration refused to condemn for political reasons. With the precedents and political climate as it is, the odds of getting a specific condemnation from Pres. Trump are next to nil, nor is anyone right of center going to fault the man for speaking in generalities. They're simply going to conclude you're blind or hypocritical.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2017 21:04:01 GMT -5
The Black Lives Matter Group is not at all similar to the groups of Racist white supremacists that converged on VA Saturday. No way, no how. You know as well as I do that nobody on the opposite site of the aisle agrees with this statement (present company included), which explains 95% of our difference of opinion on whether Pres. Trump's refusal to point fingers is acceptable. It's not just BLM, either. It's the "antifa" thugs, "bird doggers", New Black Panthers, and dozens of other left-leaning groups the previous administration refused to condemn for political reasons. With the precedents and political climate as it is, the odds of getting a specific condemnation from Pres. Trump are next to nil, nor is anyone right of center going to fault the man for speaking in generalities. They're simply going to conclude you're blind or hypocritical. donald trump might night. But maybe he had his proxy do it for him. Ivanka Trump: 'No place for white supremacy' in America“There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-Nazis,” President Trump's elder daughter said. “We must all come together as Americans -- and be one country UNITED.” link
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 13, 2017 21:14:38 GMT -5
Trump promoted violence at his rally's. He told police recruits to rough up suspects. He has white supremacists in his administration. His name calling and hate speeches during his campaign set us up for this.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2017 21:30:48 GMT -5
Trump didn't condemn them. Their message, their tactics or their aims. They celebrated his comments. And, Obama sent aid and comfort to the families of the cop killers as well. But yeah, whatevs. "But Obama! But Obama! But Obama!" It's a broken record with you. Newsflash, Shooby. Obama isn't POTUS. The racist SOB, Trump, is.
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Post by Opti on Aug 13, 2017 21:37:36 GMT -5
Virgil, I think BLM is flawed, but to my knowledge they are not a black separatist or other kind of hate group. They do have issues, but I don't think they are funding or supporting the violence you reference.
www.splcenter.org/hate-map
There are a scary amount of black separatist organizations. However, there are lots of pro-white ones if you count all the umbrellas. KKK - 130, Neo-Nazis, Nationalists, even Neo-Confederates.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 14, 2017 7:29:50 GMT -5
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence OK demi, If they are viewed as racist, Do they have the right to demonstrate? The BLM can demonstrate, but the Whites can't? What was the reason for their demonstration,, Was it to enslave all blacks again or was it to protest the removal of a stature?? Notes out of the article above. "Riot police cleared the park after almost an hour of clashes. The far-right groups were largely compliant, but had to run the gauntlet of counter-protesters as they walked west along Market Street.
After a brief stalemate, a hard core of about 100 far-right protesters moved to a park two miles away and gathered to hear speakers who had been scheduled for the “Unite the Right” event.
One of the speakers, the far-right figurehead Richard Spencer, said he had been maced on the way in and lashed out at police and city authorities."
Feel free to explain why the BLM has the right to protest, but because they are white They don't have the same right? This whole thing is because the city decided to rewrite history, Since you brought up " racial dominance and subjugation of others." Lets remove any reference to the first thirteen Presidents that either owned or used slaves,, Your argument against that would be?? Do I defend or back the white nationalist or the KKK,, Absolutely not,, But I defend their right to demonstrate.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 7:48:40 GMT -5
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence OK demi, If they are viewed as racist, Do they have the right to demonstrate? The BLM can demonstrate, but the Whites can't? What was the reason for their demonstration,, Was it to enslave all blacks again or was it to protest the removal of a stature?? Notes out of the article above. "Riot police cleared the park after almost an hour of clashes. The far-right groups were largely compliant, but had to run the gauntlet of counter-protesters as they walked west along Market Street.
After a brief stalemate, a hard core of about 100 far-right protesters moved to a park two miles away and gathered to hear speakers who had been scheduled for the “Unite the Right” event.
One of the speakers, the far-right figurehead Richard Spencer, said he had been maced on the way in and lashed out at police and city authorities."
Feel free to explain why the BLM has the right to protest, but because they are white They don't have the same right? This whole thing is because the city decided to rewrite history, Since you brought up " racial dominance and subjugation of others." Lets remove any reference to the first thirteen Presidents that either owned or used slaves,, Your argument against that would be?? Do I defend or back the white nationalist or the KKK,, Absolutely not,, But I defend their right to demonstrate.
Can you point out Deminmaine's post where he said white nationalists or the KKK had/have no legal right to demonstrate? I apparently missed that comment from Deminmaine.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 14, 2017 8:01:27 GMT -5
Did anybody else notice from the pictures that people on BOTH sides in this protest came to the protest with helmets, shields, sticks or poles of some sort? BOTH sides came to make sure this protest resulted in exactly what it resulted in. Violence. Sure...people can say they were doing this for protection. Here's a way to protect yourself. Stay the hell home. Don't give this people the attention they are craving. Stay. Home.
You don't go to a peaceful protest basically armed unless you are looking for trouble. People found trouble. Stay. Home. These people want attention. They want headlines. They want recognition. That's what they got - and now somebody is dead. It's so damn stupid and so damn heartbreaking.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 14, 2017 8:01:52 GMT -5
Because the Neo nazi, white supremecy groups are not equal to black lives matter. Not in form, function or intent.
I interpreted demi post to be continuation of this post.
If that was not his intent, I do apologize.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 14, 2017 8:11:49 GMT -5
Trump denounced it, Pence denounced. Every Republican I know has denounced this so not sure what else it is you want? Are there some magic words someone can say to change things? Sheesh.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 14, 2017 8:17:49 GMT -5
Trump denounced it, Pence denounced. Every Republican I know has denounced this so not sure what else it is you want? Are there some magic words someone can say to change things? Sheesh. Yes. People want him to say "White Supremacy"....much like people wanted Former President Obama to say "Radical Islam". They want truth spoken. This time.
Of course, had he said that, there would be something else to yell about. People would have been screaming about his "fire and fury" and his escalation of the situation. It's a no-win for him. It's a no-win for whomever is in office.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 8:25:30 GMT -5
Because the Neo nazi, white supremecy groups are not equal to black lives matter. Not in form, function or intent.
I interpreted demi post to be continuation of this post. If that was not his intent, I do apologize. OC-you do read into things which are clearly not there.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 8:38:55 GMT -5
Trump denounced it, Pence denounced. Every Republican I know has denounced this so not sure what else it is you want? Are there some magic words someone can say to change things? Sheesh. Yes. People want him to say "White Supremacy"....much like people wanted Former President Obama to say "Radical Islam". They want truth spoken. This time.
Of course, had he said that, there would be something else to yell about. People would have been screaming about his "fire and fury" and his escalation of the situation. It's a no-win for him. It's a no-win for whomever is in office.
Had trump not tweeted the following tweets back in June, 2016 and November 2015, maybe there would have been less criticism of trump not mentioning white nationalists and other right wing hate groups who participated in the events this past Friday night and Saturday: "Is President Obama going to finally mention the words radical Islamic terrorism? If he doesn't he should immediately resign in disgrace!" "When will President Obama issue the words RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM? He can't say it, and unless he will, the problem will not be solved!" A Trump Tweet For Every Occasion trump's flippant and ridiculous tweets will come back to haunt him.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 14, 2017 8:48:16 GMT -5
Yes. People want him to say "White Supremacy"....much like people wanted Former President Obama to say "Radical Islam". They want truth spoken. This time.
Of course, had he said that, there would be something else to yell about. People would have been screaming about his "fire and fury" and his escalation of the situation. It's a no-win for him. It's a no-win for whomever is in office.
Had trump not tweeted the following tweets back in June, 2016 and November 2015, maybe there would have been less criticism of trump not mentioning white nationalists and other right wing hate groups who participated in the events this past Friday night and Saturday: "Is President Obama going to finally mention the words radical Islamic terrorism? If he doesn't he should immediately resign in disgrace!" "When will President Obama issue the words RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM? He can't say it, and unless he will, the problem will not be solved!" A Trump Tweet For Every Occasion trump's flippant and ridiculous tweets will come back to haunt him. There is always some excuse, Tenn. Always. I agree he should have called a spade a spade. I agree because I think it's right. I don't agree just because I dislike him. I agree because it was the right thing to do. It would have been the right thing for Obama to do also. It's just that the same people have a fit about one and not the other. Both ways. It was a no-win situation for Obama and it's a no-win situation for Trump. No matter what either one of them said, people would have had a fit. It's a wonderful way to detract from the actual issue. I don't think we should let ourselves be distracted by this horseshit anymore...from anyone.
All of a sudden, it's allllllllll about what Trump said or didn't say. It's no longer about that poor person that died or all the ones injured or the pepper spray or the lit torches or the fact that people on both sides went there to hurt one another. Don't you think that's kind of....stupid?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2017 8:59:24 GMT -5
Had trump not tweeted the following tweets back in June, 2016 and November 2015, maybe there would have been less criticism of trump not mentioning white nationalists and other right wing hate groups who participated in the events this past Friday night and Saturday: "Is President Obama going to finally mention the words radical Islamic terrorism? If he doesn't he should immediately resign in disgrace!" "When will President Obama issue the words RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM? He can't say it, and unless he will, the problem will not be solved!" A Trump Tweet For Every Occasion trump's flippant and ridiculous tweets will come back to haunt him. There is always some excuse, Tenn. Always. I agree he should have called a spade a spade. I agree because I think it's right. I don't agree just because I dislike him. I agree because it was the right thing to do. It would have been the right thing for Obama to do also. It's just that the same people have a fit about one and not the other. Both ways. It was a no-win situation for Obama and it's a no-win situation for Trump. No matter what either one of them said, people would have had a fit. It's a wonderful way to detract from the actual issue. I don't think we should let ourselves be distracted by this horseshit anymore...from anyone.
All of a sudden, it's allllllllll about what Trump said or didn't say. It's no longer about that poor person that died or all the ones injured or the pepper spray or the lit torches or the fact that people on both sides went there to hurt one another. Don't you think that's kind of....stupid?
trump is the president now. he told America he would stand up for everyone. he isn't. That is why there is such focus on trump. As for me attending a demonstration such as what was scheduled and took place Friday night and Saturday, no I would not. If for no other reason I am too old to get into fighting and the like as which occured. I am also wiser than just about everyone who showed up in Charlottsville this past weekend. But many of the counter-demonstrators did not go to physically fight the right wing groups. And some paid the price for peacefully expressing their disapproval of same. Sad day for all.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 14, 2017 9:18:44 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts. I am not sure I understand who the various groups mentioned are, and what they represent, but the various groups clearly came prepared for violence. They were lined up with shileds to defend themselves in case of violence. Why even allow that? You have a right to peacefully protest. You have a right to disagree with me. You do not have the right to kill me or anyone else that does not agree with your views.
I just came back from a vacation in Atlanta. My daughter and I went on a bus tour of various Atlanta sites, and they drove us past the capitol and pointed out a park they have that is just across from the capitol and designated it is for Peaceful Protests.
So, we issue a permit for a Protest, we cordon off the area, search the items brought in to the area, confiscate items meant to inflict violence on others and be prepared to arrest people that start violence. If you designate an area where a protest can be held, you can make sure that someone can not drive into the crowd with a vehicle too.
Torches and even candles should not be allowed, who ever pointed out that they can easily be turned to destructive use is absolutely correct, and flashlights would better serve the purpose. When my community has national night out, they often hand out flashlights to attendees, so maybe they could hand them out and make sure they are lightweight and small so they are not something like a Maglight that could be used as a weapon to beat someone.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 14, 2017 9:19:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't have gone either, Tennesseer , because I think that going is giving those...people...the attention they are craving. I don't doubt that many of the counter-demonstrators did not go there to fight. Many of them did. There are pics all over the internet of the counter-protestors beating the hell out of people. They came to fight. They got what they asked for and now somebody is dead and lots of people are injured. It's just such a waste. I mean...I get standing up against evil. I do and I think we have to. Lots of people have died standing up to evil and I suppose that is the price we pay to keep evil at bay. But let's concentrate on that and not what somebody did or didn't utter.
Trump said this and didn't do it. Trump said that and didn't do it. It's not like that's a new thing with his Presidency. It happens in every single Presidency. Every single one. Candidates say a lot of things in their campaigns that people with half a brain know they won't accomplish. I wish that weren't true, but it is. We can't act like this is something new and be taken seriously.
And I don't know why people think he isn't standing up. If it's because he didn't utter some exact words people want...tough shit. I don't care. I care what is done about. We have yet to see what that is.
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