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Post by justme on Aug 12, 2017 13:39:32 GMT -5
I looked and I don't think there's any other thread on this. Not sure if it belongs in politics instead? www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.htmlFrom the article: After a morning of violent clashes between white nationalists and counterprotesters, police ordered hundreds of people out of a downtown park, putting an end to a noon rally before it even began. Gov. Terry McAuliffe declared a state of emergency shortly before 11 a.m., blaming the violence on “mostly out-of-state protesters.” “I am disgusted by the hatred, bigotry and violence these protesters have brought to our state over the past 24 hours,” McAuliffe (D) said. It seems like this all started over the university wanting to remove confederate statutes. Someone just recently ran a car into the crowd injuring several. Over a statue. I heard about it last night, so this is at least day two.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 13:46:52 GMT -5
Did you see David Duke ... 🤢
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2017 17:17:50 GMT -5
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 12, 2017 18:21:13 GMT -5
This POS president couldn't condemn the white supremacists for the violence. After all they are part of his base. Instead he blames "many sides" and Obama for the hate in our country. The governor of VA got it right, telling them to go home and they don't belong in America.
Make America great again. Get rid of Trump.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 12, 2017 18:59:52 GMT -5
This POS president couldn't condemn the white supremacists for the violence. After all they are part of his base. Instead he blames "many sides" and Obama for the hate in our country. The governor of VA got it right, telling them to go home and they don't belong in America. Make America great again. Get rid of Trump.Kind of like Obama didn't condemn the black community/BLM over the riots, destruction of property, and assassination of police officers during his tenure? Oh, right he didn't have to condemn that because of the liberals' double standards...smh
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 19:05:11 GMT -5
False equivalency.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 12, 2017 19:08:44 GMT -5
This POS president couldn't condemn the white supremacists for the violence. After all they are part of his base. Instead he blames "many sides" and Obama for the hate in our country. The governor of VA got it right, telling them to go home and they don't belong in America. Make America great again. Get rid of Trump.Kind of like Obama didn't condemn the black community/BLM over the riots, destruction of property, and assassination of police officers during his tenure? Oh, right he didn't have to condemn that because of the liberals' double standards...smh Actually Pres Obama DID condemn the violence then. In fact, he was criticized by the BLM movement for glossing over police brutality.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 12, 2017 19:11:07 GMT -5
Kind of like Obama didn't condemn the black community/BLM over the riots, destruction of property, and assassination of police officers during his tenure? Oh, right he didn't have to condemn that because of the liberals' double standards...smh Actually Pres Obama DID condemn the violence then. In fact, he was criticized by the BLM movement for glossing over police brutality. Yes...a general condemnation of the violence, just like Trump did. But people seem to need Trump to specifically call out certain groups, something they did not need Obama to do for some reason.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 12, 2017 20:38:07 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/one-dead-and-19-injured-as-car-strikes-crowds-along-route-of-white-nationalist-rally-in-charlottesville-two-police-die-in-helicopter-crash/ar-AApUdhF?li=BBnb7KzChan Williams, 22, was among the counterprotesters at the pedestrian mall, chanting “Black Lives Matter” and “Whose streets? Our streets!” The marchers blocked traffic, but Williams said drivers weren’t annoyed. Instead, she said, they waved or honked in support. ->Ah, those lovely liberal protestors...it would be great if they could ever protest without breaking a law, wouldn't it? They were met by counterprotesters at the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, who founded the university. One counterprotester apparently deployed a chemical spray, which sent about a dozen rallygoers seeking medical assistance.
->And they still love to deploy violence at every protest, too. And yet they constantly blame the right-wing for all the hate and violence. Just more of the typical hypocrisy.
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Post by Opti on Aug 12, 2017 21:33:17 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/one-dead-and-19-injured-as-car-strikes-crowds-along-route-of-white-nationalist-rally-in-charlottesville-two-police-die-in-helicopter-crash/ar-AApUdhF?li=BBnb7KzChan Williams, 22, was among the counterprotesters at the pedestrian mall, chanting “Black Lives Matter” and “Whose streets? Our streets!” The marchers blocked traffic, but Williams said drivers weren’t annoyed. Instead, she said, they waved or honked in support. ->Ah, those lovely liberal protestors...it would be great if they could ever protest without breaking a law, wouldn't it? They were met by counterprotesters at the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, who founded the university. One counterprotester apparently deployed a chemical spray, which sent about a dozen rallygoers seeking medical assistance.
->And they still love to deploy violence at every protest, too. And yet they constantly blame the right-wing for all the hate and violence. Just more of the typical hypocrisy. Way to preach one-sided and stick with the bias.
Race related riots have become violent on both sides. Same with the lack of law abiding stuff including but not limited to running vehicles into crowds to hurt and kill.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/meet-the-man-in-the-middle-of-the-unite-the-right-rally/ar-AApVXXa?li=BBnb7Kz And then, as groups on both extremes of the ideological divide hurled objects and insults, Heimbach ordered his followers to push down the metal police barricades that cut the park into separate zones. Within minutes, state troopers stepped in with their order to end the gathering. It’s unclear if the actions were connected.
I do blame Trump for the environment that he encouraged of violence, lack of respect for others with different views and making it acceptable to some to basically be an ass in everyday life. Its not surprising this spawned really bad behavior on both sides of the political spectrum. Pepper spray used by police had protestors on both sides seeking medical assistance.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2017 0:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2017 0:57:42 GMT -5
Actually Pres Obama DID condemn the violence then. In fact, he was criticized by the BLM movement for glossing over police brutality. Yes...a general condemnation of the violence, just like Trump did. But people seem to need Trump to specifically call out certain groups, something they did not need Obama to do for some reason. That was my take on it too. Pres. Obama very deliberately avoided singling out BLM protestors, black nationalists, race-based groups, and condemned violence in general terms. It was deeply upsetting to the political right. It appears Pres. Trump has taken the same tack, and that the left is about as enamored of the strategy as the right was.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 5:23:15 GMT -5
Because the Neo nazi, white supremecy groups are not equal to black lives matter. Not in form, function or intent.
Did you listen to what these people were saying? Were chanting?
If individuals within otherwise peaceful groups do violence, you can call out violence. If it's a main tenet of your group, if the group systematically demonstrates it... surrounding peaceful protestors with fire and spray, suggesting loudly that your basic purpose is to 'take your country back' from any group not like you... it's not an individual problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 7:24:01 GMT -5
False equivalency... "Ostensibly, the reason for Saturday’s rally was to protest a decision by Charlottesville to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee from the park that until recently bore his name. But, in recent interviews, Heimbach acknowledged that the event was equally about bringing together members of the extreme right, who have been prone to splintering but found common ground in Charlottesville. “The biggest thing is a show of strength,” he said ahead of the rally. “To show that our organizations that have been divided on class, been divided on religious issues, divided on ideological grounds, can put 14 words — ‘We must secure the existence of our people and the future for white children’ — as our primary motivating factor.”" www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/08/12/unite-right-white-nationalist-rally-charlottesville-erupts-violence/562095001/
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:27:51 GMT -5
But the BLM said the same things and acted the same way and that was okay because they were reacting to a situation that they felt was intolerable and their actions were not stopped by law enforcement or even a potus saying much. I consider them the black equivalent of the kkk.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:28:21 GMT -5
Plus the claims were these were people from "outside."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 7:31:13 GMT -5
BLM says they want to secure EQUAL rights for black children.
Yesterday was about securing white SUPREMACY.
I.e. Denying those equal rights.
If you can't hear, see and understand the difference, I'm not sure what to tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 7:32:08 GMT -5
Plus the claims were these were people from "outside." Outside what? Unite The Right was the issue. This group was a part of that.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:33:11 GMT -5
I'm sure you feel you are right and that's okay.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:33:53 GMT -5
No the excuse for all the blm violence was it wasn't them it was outsiders
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 7:33:59 GMT -5
If you see BLM as KKK you are part of the problem. Sorry. But there it is.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:34:44 GMT -5
Yes then I'm part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 7:35:18 GMT -5
No the excuse for all the blm violence was it wasn't them it was outsiders These people weren't outsiders.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:35:28 GMT -5
I'm not sorry at all. Any group that espouses violence is evil, regardless of race
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 7:36:44 GMT -5
I'm sorry. After yesterday I'm done. If you support those groups. If you equivocate to defend them. If you equate them to groups struggling against oppression. I'm not going to just 'agree to disageee'. This shit needs to be ended.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:37:35 GMT -5
Who started it? You won't agree on that either
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:38:44 GMT -5
I agree. It needed to be ended years ago. It wasn't. Now it's morphed into us vs. them. This was the plan all along.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 7:38:46 GMT -5
BLM doesn't espouse violence. It's not their trnet. It's not their objective. Honestly look at these groups. To suggest they are the same ?
But then I'm talking to people who insist Obama and Clinton are worse than trump... what do I expect.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 13, 2017 7:39:29 GMT -5
True
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2017 7:54:07 GMT -5
BLM says they want to secure EQUAL rights for black children. Yesterday was about securing white SUPREMACY. I.e. Denying those equal rights. If you can't hear, see and understand the difference, I'm not sure what to tell you. One group came to protest a political correct action. The other group came to protest the protestors. The BLM came to protest because they have civil Rights! The white guys are wrong to protest because they don't have the same Rights? Right??
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