What about Weiner's wife?

[ameiko]

Jun 22, 2011 18:57:51 GMT -5 @toughtimes said:

It is one weird tale. And one likes to think that someone in so sensitive a spot (aid to a possible President) would be checked out nine ways to Sunday. And then one thinks of the Robert Hanssen case where he was an FBI agent while spying for the Russians. This very bizarre man was also an important member of Opus Dei, an ultra conservative group within the Roman Catholic church at the same time, and he was an adulterer as well!

Fake Patriot, Fake Catholic, Fake Husband. Was anything about him real? And he got away with it for years.

Regarding security clearance and backgroun checks, remember that in the Clinton administration that many people continued to have temporary clearances for years because they could not clear security otherwise. Also, you have Obama who could never otherwise have a security clearance given his known association with terrorists as well as time outside this nation (in other countries where a US passport would not have been accepted, at least not without great difficulty and possible danger) that can not be accounted for.

If you have powerful enough friends (or just a girlfriend), as Weiner's wife did, you can avoid normal clearance routes.

[ameiko]

Jun 22, 2011 19:47:53 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

Jun 22, 2011 19:25:20 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Oops. Sorry, Marsha. You may find all this fascinating. I don't. I find it incredibly boring. I don't get any thrill, at all, from poking around into other people's lives. Different strokes for different folks, only my type won't sling names at you for having a different opinion.

I guess you don't like reality tv or soap operas or movies or detective shows or talk shows or . . . . . . .

One point of interest to many in this Weiner/Abedin marriage is questions about the very serious subject of national security of course. This isn't about gossip. There are legitimate questions arising from this. Not only did Weiner expose himself to blackmail, his marriage, which I had been unaware of, to a woman with direct familial connections to the terror group the Muslim Brotherhood raises a different kind of national security concern. That's not exactly cheap gossip about other people's private lives. I don't care about his weiner and I don't care about their sex life. I care about her connections to a terror group and what it might mean to the security of this nation.

This attempt to change the subject on this and to shut down the discussion just reeks of more dhimmitude.

+1

[ameiko]

Jun 22, 2011 20:05:14 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

It IS alarming. I bet Huma couldn't get high level security clearance if she just walked in unknown and applied for the SS or something. But, then again, neither could Obama. These are strange times we are living in when people with connections to terrorists can rise to such levels in a time of war against-- terrorism.

Remind me to exalt you!

[ameiko]

Jun 22, 2011 22:08:56 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jun 22, 2011 21:56:24 GMT -5 ameiko said:

The Muslims who slammed buildings in the World Trade Center were engineers. The Muslim shrink who killed his fellow soldiers had a M.D. I bet Osama Bin Laden was pretty educated also.

Clearly, education is not a shield against Muslim extremism.

and I work with engineers in my day-to-day experience who are highly regarded industry-wide in their disciplines of engineering, yet are religious enough to argue with me that the Dan Brown book "the DaVinci Code" is borderline heresy.

higher education, nor brilliance in one's field of study and practice is a shield to any religious extremism or fanaticism. it's not just reserved for Muslims.

I was simply pointing out that education did not bar extremism. Why the snide comment if you would seem to agree with me?

So sad.

[ameiko]

Jun 22, 2011 22:11:51 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jun 22, 2011 21:59:04 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Curiously, the imam of the Islamic Cultural Center of New York (ICC), of which Ground Zero mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a trustee, is a man named Sheik Omar Abu-Namous. He is calling for Abedin to stand by Weiner.

Why would an imam encourage a Muslim woman to remain married to an unfaithful, Jewish man?

Feisal Rauf has a long history of Muslim Brotherhood ties to include;


Interesting... and so underreported.

not for nothing, but is this Imam the leader of the congregation (sorry, I don't know the appropriate word) where Huma Abedin worships? if not, why should she listen to him? he isn't her spiritual leader. he's just feeding the tabloid machine, which you've clearly sopped up for regurgitation.

Wow, you can't stand the truth, can you? Your attempts to obscure does not change the fact that this religious leader, well versed in the Koran and a known radical who has shown nothing but contempt for America with his victory mosque is now urging a "practicing Muslim" to violate the Koran by staying married to a Jew?

Why even though this violates everything he would believe in as a Iman? Heck, I bet he is one of the many Muslims who hate Jews and want to exterminate them (remember, their own leaders call for genocide and actively seek to disprove the Holocaust even though it had nothing to do with them).

So, again, why? Because she is where they want her to be. If she stays the long suffering wife, fewer will question at least openly her suspicious ties to a terrorist organization. She has been posistioned to gain power and office in this nation; already (girl)friends with Hillary, she can meet many in power and launch her own campaigns.

It is very sad how an admin is ignoring the obvious but if they can infiltrate the Oval Office and Hillary's bed, MSM refugee board shouldn't be that hard.

[ameiko]

Jun 22, 2011 22:12:32 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jun 22, 2011 22:01:15 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Shoot, they didn't do anything about a foreign born Muslim sitting illegally in the Oval office. What do you think they'll do about a mere spy?

you don't really want to rehash this now, do you?

Why not? Muslims keep rehashing the Crusades and Obama keeps rehashing how America is a nation with a history of horrible racism. Kinda funny how he never notes that most of America's racism came from Democrats...

[ameiko]

Jun 23, 2011 1:12:54 GMT -5 cereb said:

Jun 22, 2011 16:53:50 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

I find the whole thing (except Weiner's weiner) fascinating. It is an odd marriage, an odd situation, odd that she has relatives in Muslim Brotherhood. How could anyone say this is not interesting? It could be a flipping movie for crying out loud. This dhimmi attitude of trying to shut down any discussion of anything Islam is just stupid.

What's stupid is trying to brew this story about a couple's marital disaster into a story about Islam.

That it could be true and thus a terrible national security issue is just so irrelevant, eh?

[Deleted]

You're on a roll, ameiko!! Love how you address things one at a time and don't string out an answer with 8 or 9 replies in one post. Easy to read....carry on...

[ameiko]

Jun 23, 2011 15:58:28 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Jun 23, 2011 13:51:52 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

The long and short of this story is that some of us MIND having MB type people in power spots in our country, and some of us DON'T. Irreconcilable difference, I think. So goes politics..

Hmm. So, by extrapolation, it would seem you believe if a person has relatives in jail, that person must be in jail, as well. If your brother is affiliated with the neo-nazis, you must be affiliated with them, as well.

I don't see things that way. I'd hazard a guess (and hope to heck I'm right) most people don't.

Given that her father was an Iman, her mother a Islamic scholar and part of the female version of the Islamic Brotherhood, and her own brother part of the anti-American Islamic Brotherhood, should there not at least be some concern that the apple did not fall too far from the tree? How did she escape the other's radical views, especially if she was raised in Saudi Arabia as some have noted.

Toss in her bizzare Bill Clinton officated marriage to a Jew which is punishable by death as any good practicing Muslim like Human should know AND the Victory Mosque Iman urging her to continue to violate the Koran by maintaing her marriage?

Just how deep can you stick your head into the ground?

[holyofholes]

The level of impotent fury on this thread is really fun to watch. Some people just hate that America is a secular country.

[verrip1]

Huma's hubby may not be out of the woods yet.

[Deleted]

Is that Cotes again??


Hey, Verrip, doesn't like like that little joint in Texas cares much for Weiner of Barney, does it?

[holyofholes]

How is your health krickitt? Are the Medicaid doctors taking good care of you?

[holyofholes]

Amieko, does it make your blood boil that you can do nothing about Huma Abedin except vent on a news board?

[Deleted]

Aren't you BANNED?? How many computers do you have, Chess/Cotes/Lunacy?? Good grief..

[holyofholes]

I just use my iPad. How is your welfare coming along?

[verrip1]

Jun 23, 2011 19:38:28 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Is that Cotes again??


Hey, Verrip, doesn't like like that little joint in Texas cares much for Weiner of Barney, does it?

Don't mess with Texas.

[verrip1]

Jun 23, 2011 19:42:30 GMT -5 @holyofholes said:

Amieko, does it make your blood boil that you can do nothing about Huma Abedin except vent on a news board?

I keep wondering if she has a blue dress. Sighhhhh.....

[marshabar1]

The same conditions on the legality of the marriage contract apply to mixed marriages. The most important condition relates to religion. Under the Sharia and all modern Islamic laws, both for the Sunni and Shia sects, a marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim man is null and void, even if it is validly solemnized according the laws of any given non-Muslim state. For such a marriage to be valid the man must have converted to Islam at the time of the contract.

Jamal J. Nasir, The Islamic Law of Personal Status

books.google.com/books?id=N4WmwikqudIC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sharia+law+mixed+marriage&source=bl&ots=std0H0surE&sig=RCeZ2bCkYtYBfzn2UqO6Acb4WWk&hl=en&ei=9_MDTo-ILqOv0AGlm6XrCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

[mmhmm]

Jun 23, 2011 17:38:21 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

I'll bet in your family, mmhmm, if a woman married outside her religion she wouldn't get her head chopped off? I don't think your experience is quite like Huma Abedin's experience.

Since I know a couple of Muslim women who have married outside their religion and are still in full possession of their heads, I don't see the meaning behind your bet, marsha.

[Deleted]

Are they active Muslims, mmhmm, go to mosque and stuff? Or like people that used to be Mormons but aren't any more. Do they have powerful Muslim families? I'm not being a smart aleck, I really want to know. The laws of Islam are pretty clear on marriage.
People think Mormons are really weird and there is nothing anywhere saying who you have to marry.

[mmhmm]

One of the women is still actively religious, krickitt. The other is not. I don't know anything about their families, as it's none of my business and I'm not one to pry. I know the woman who is more active in her religion is originally from Jordan, quite highly educated and very well-spoken. If I had to guess, I'd say she was from a very well-to-do family. It would, however, be merely a guess.

[marshabar1]

Me thinks thou dost protest too much. Are you even following any other threads??

[mmhmm]

Frankly, marsha, I don't care what you "thinks". I'm reading quite a few threads, when I'm not doing something else here at work. I'm also trying to get down something to eat before midnight rounds. Now. There. You know what I'm doing with my time.

[marshabar1]

Taqiyya and kitman, terms you should know because it is not possible to take a Muslim enemy at his/her word by the very nature of his beliefs. Are all Muslims enemies of Christians and Jews? A good practicing Muslim would by definition have to be since the Koran clearly instructs him on the attitude that should be taken against non-Muslims. If hatred for Jews and Christians is taught to toddlers, and it is, then the status as enemy of the west, the great and small Satan, is clearly institutionalized in Islamic countries where such teaching prevails.

Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy' has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.'

The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational.

During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water'. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ' to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy'.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.

Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split 'the enemy'. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive triangulation'; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.

www.danielpipes.org/comments/25320

[cereb]

"Only if she is on a jihad mission can she have received a dispensation to marry a Jew."

[Deleted]

You know.. the more I read.. I am a Christian. Not a perfect one, but I try. IF my religion was full of all the stuff we read about Islam, I would protest, scream at the top of my lungs to protest the ones corrupting my religion, if I saw it as such. If it continued, I would have to leave the religion, totally denounce it. THIS is my problem with the "peaceful" Muslims. If the people that believe this kind of garbage, and practice it, are few, why don't the huge majority reject them, denounce them?? Look at all the outlaw Mormons that practice polygamy still, although it is against the law. The LDS church and all her members effectively rejected that practice and abandoned it a long time ago, and everybody is aware of it, because the LDS church has been vocal in identifying themselves as NOT affiliated with those sects of the old church. I don't see or hear Muslims doing that. Actually, if you research names of prominent Muslims that speak, Imams, etc, you find that they are connected to these radicals. I can't get around that, not at all. If the many millions rose up against the radicals they would have strength, not have to worry about getting their heads lopped off or stoned to death. Because they don't, and they even are warring in the ME/Africa for MORE Islam, not less-- Iranian people excepted, it is hard to believe that the radicals are not actually the mainstream.

[marshabar1]

The most terrorized people of all are the Muslim people, krickitt. They pay a steep price when they object, they pay a steep price if they leave.

[cereb]

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