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Post by swamp on Jun 20, 2011 14:18:42 GMT -5
Huma was supposed to be a virgin until marriage under Islamic law, too, but I'd be willing to bet she wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:21:49 GMT -5
She couldn't convert if she is a by the book Muslim. Nor can Obama convert if he is a by the book Muslim, the faith he was born in to. I see lots of non-Muslim Americans taking up this cause, but can anyone find me a quote, an article, ANYTHING ANYWHERE that says it is okay for a Muslim woman to marry outside the faith, or a Muslim born child to decide to be Christian?? I never see those kind of articles..
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 20, 2011 14:23:30 GMT -5
According to the Koran Muslim men can marry outside the faith but Muslim women cannot under any circumstance. See my last post.
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Post by swamp on Jun 20, 2011 14:25:48 GMT -5
She couldn't convert if she is a by the book Muslim. Nor can Obama convert if he is a by the book Muslim, the faith he was born in to. I see lots of non-Muslim Americans taking up this cause, but can anyone find me a quote, an article, ANYTHING ANYWHERE that says it is okay for a Muslim woman to marry outside the faith, or a Muslim born child to decide to be Christian?? I never see those kind of articles.. Pretty much every religion says you need to marry in your own religion, and nobody pays attention to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:26:04 GMT -5
www.islamqa.com/en/ref/21380It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim from any other religion, whether from among the Jews or Christians, or any other kaafir religion. It is not permissible for her to marry a Jew, a Christian, a Magian, a communist, an idol-worshipper, etc. The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikoon) invite you to the Fire, but Allaah invites (you) to Paradise and forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember” [al-Baqarah 2:221] Imam al-Tabari said: What is said concerning the interpretation of the words “And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you” is that what Allaah meant by that is that Allaah has forbidden the believing women to give birth to a mushrik, no matter what kind of shirk he believes in. So, O believers, do not give your daughters in marriage to them, for that is forbidden to you. For you to give them in marriage to a believing slave who believes in Allaah and His Messenger and that which he brought from Allaah is better for you than to give them in marriage to a free mushrik even if he is of noble descent and honourable origins, even if you like his descent and background… It was narrated that Qutaadah and al-Zuhri said, concerning the phrase “And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon”, It is not permissible for you to give them in marriage to a Jew or a Christian or a mushrik who is not a follower of your religion. (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 2/379). Islam Q&A
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 20, 2011 14:30:15 GMT -5
Not everyone is a by-the-book anything. People often marry outside their religious upbringing, outside their social class, or outside their cultural group. We know absolutely nothing of this woman other than what's been said in the media. To sit here and propound on what she can, or cannot do is ludicrous. She's obviously done exactly what she wished to do. More power to her. While I might not have chosen this man to marry, she did and the choice was hers, and hers alone.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 20, 2011 14:35:20 GMT -5
If she was born and raised here maybe she and/or her parents are more progressive than the media wants people to think of all Muslims.
If people were saying all this about her and she was Christian there would be a massive uproar about "stereotyping".
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Post by swamp on Jun 20, 2011 14:36:32 GMT -5
If she was born and raised here maybe she and/or her parents are more progressive than the media wants people to think of all Muslims. If people were saying all this about her and she was Christian there would be a massive uproar about "stereotyping". The fact that she has a high powered job and an education makes her a progressive Muslim.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:36:53 GMT -5
redcounty.com/content/did-anthony-weiner-convert-islam-and-who-huma-abedinHightlights in Red are added by Randy McDaniels for additional insight into this article. Did Anthony Weiner Convert to Islam? By Ben Barrack WebToday (June 8, 2011)-- The New York Times reports that Rep. Anthony Weiner's wife – Huma Abedin – is a “practicing Muslim” who was raised in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. In 2007, the New York Observer wrote – article no longer available but cross-posted at Free Republic – that her mother is a professor in Saudi Arabia and that her father was an Islamic scholar before his death. Who is Huma Abedin and what does she do? ? Hint... she works for Hillary Clinton Secretary Hillary Clinton 7th Floor - State Department Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations Huma Abedin 202-647-9572 Islamic law forbids any Muslim woman from marrying a non-Muslim man. Weiner was raised Jewish but admitted to growing up in a non-religious household. Sacred Islamic Law Manual/Umdat Al Salik Book of Marriage M.4.2 (2) and M. 4.3 forbids a Muslim from marrying an apostate or corrupt man. If Abedin remains a practicing Muslim and her religion forbids her from marrying a non-Muslim, which of the two of them is the mostly likely convert? Known as the Shahada, the Islamic testimony of faith is very short. Weiner would have been required to say it according to Islamic law. Otherwise, Abedin would have violated a primary tenet of her religion. Here is what Weiner would have had to say in order to be able to marry Abedin according to Sharia law: “There is no God except Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.” Curiously, the imam of the Islamic Cultural Center of New York (ICC), of which Ground Zero mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a trustee, is a man named Sheik Omar Abu-Namous. He is calling for Abedin to stand by Weiner. Why would an imam encourage a Muslim woman to remain married to an unfaithful, Jewish man? Feisal Rauf has a long history of Muslim Brotherhood ties to include; §Rauf Friends of spiritual chief Yusuf al-Qaradawi via al-Taqwa Bank who champions shariah Law. §Perdona Global Peace Org (MB, Hamas, AQ) § Jamal Barzinji MB Leader is a partner in Cordoba Initiative § Farouk Kahn – Daisy Uncle, Board member of ISNA, IMANA, and ICNA & Westbury Mosque Chair until 2006(MB) § Rauf's Manhattan ASMA offices at 475 Riverside Drive occupy the suite next door to (CAIR) § Alwaleed Bin Talal funds over 300K to Raufs Muslims Leaders of Tomorrow. Hisham Elzanaty -- an Egyptian-born businessman from Long Island -- provided a big chunk of the $4.8 million needed to buy the building that will be demolished to make way for the mosque. Donates to HLF an organization which was shut down in the largest terrorism funding trial in U.S. history in 2008, which resulted in CAIR and other Muslim Brotherhood member being sentenced up to 65 years in prison. Feisal Rauf Sr. who; Ø Taught at Al Azhar Univ. CAIRO Egypt Ø Al Azhar approves Umdat Al Salik/Reliance (Islamic Law re: Jihad, Apostasy, Homosexuality, gender Equality) Ø Contemporary of Hassan Al Banna (Founder of Muslim Brotherhood) & attended Al Azhar University together ØExpanded Islam in UK, Indonesia, and U.S. Funded his Mosques by state sponsors of terror and Muslim Brotherhood members/entities, which Feisal Rauf Jr. now runs. He is calling for Abedin to stand by Weiner. Why would an imam encourage a Muslim woman to remain married to an unfaithful, Jewish man? Compounding this matter further is the fact that Abu-Namous was quoted in 2001 as saying: “A unified Muslim state would be the ideal instrument to convince the world that Islam is the last version of God's word. God meant his word to be obeyed.” In 2007, Abu-Namous spoke alongside the director of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) at the First National Summit of Imams and Rabbis. Abu-Namous is on record as having said there was no conclusive evidence that Muslims were responsible for the September 11th attacks. Ironically, Abu-Namous's predecessor at the ICC blamed the Jews for 9/11. ISNA is a Muslim Brotherhood group. There is a question that needs to be answered. Did a secular Jewish man convert to Islam or did his (still) practicing Muslim wife abandon her religion by marrying him? *****Interesting******
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 20, 2011 14:38:14 GMT -5
The fact that she has a high powered job and an education makes her a progressive Muslim.
I feel bad for his wife, she didn't ask to be put under a microscope. All so he could show off his package to some teenagers and a porn star.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 20, 2011 14:38:26 GMT -5
Clearly, you two have indisputable evidence that if she wasn't a spy, she would have been killed by her own people by now. I just don't understand why you are saying it here. I mean, since there is absolutely no other plausible explaination - get on the phone to Homeland security. I'm sure they are all dolts who know absolutely nothing about the religion of muslim, and would appreciate being schooled on the finer points of it, and would immediately look into her situation. But, we can't do anything about it. Neither her, or her boss is an elected official.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 20, 2011 14:38:40 GMT -5
She couldn't convert if she is a by the book Muslim. Nor can Obama convert if he is a by the book Muslim, the faith he was born in to. I see lots of non-Muslim Americans taking up this cause, but can anyone find me a quote, an article, ANYTHING ANYWHERE that says it is okay for a Muslim woman to marry outside the faith, or a Muslim born child to decide to be Christian?? I never see those kind of articles.. Pretty much every religion says you need to marry in your own religion, and nobody pays attention to it. You have not heard what happens to Muslim women who don't obey? It's not like a little slap on the hand under sharia law. It's hard to live without a head or after your body has been buried and stones have been thrown at your head.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:39:53 GMT -5
Answer to someone question up there-- no, there would be no talk. BECAUSE Christians and Jews do not have it in for the USA, nor is it in their holy books to lie and deceive non Christians or Jews to achieve an end of conquering them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:41:20 GMT -5
Call Homeland Security??? THAT is funny!!!! I live in Arizona, remember??
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Post by swamp on Jun 20, 2011 14:41:29 GMT -5
Pretty much every religion says you need to marry in your own religion, and nobody pays attention to it. You have not heard what happens to Muslim women who don't obey? It's not like a little slap on the hand under sharia law. It's hard to live without a head or after your body has been buried and stones have been thrown at your head. Yes, and I'm also familiar with "Christians" who have beaten their kids and wives to bloody pulps for "disobeying." It doesn't mean it's commonplace or accepted. Huma is an American born citizen and educated in American colleges. Who says she follows Sharia law?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 20, 2011 14:41:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:45:06 GMT -5
Heck, Marsha-- I bet Weinerdude converted. He does not practice his faith, nor did his parents, from what I read, so the truth is probably that he converted to marry her. No problem, right?? No creeping incrementalism here... no NYC radical Imam telling her to stay with Weinerman.. nothing to see...move on.....
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 20, 2011 14:45:43 GMT -5
no, there would be no talk. BECAUSE Christians and Jews do not have it in for the USA, nor is it in their holy books to lie and deceive non Christians or Jews to achieve an end of conquering themUh huh. I know I am reaching pretty far back but weren't the Crusades all about killing the non-believer Muslims all in the name of the Bible? Yeah Christians' are just happy go lucky people who mind their own business and never do anything rotten in the name of "converting" people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:46:12 GMT -5
Huma grew up in Saudi Arabia-- you know that, right??
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Post by pepper112765 on Jun 20, 2011 14:48:29 GMT -5
So, let me get this straight, if she is a "practicing muslim," it is synonymous with being a Jihadist? Is that then true of all of the Islamic faith? Maybe she is like some of any other faith, who chooses to ignore dogma and ritual, like some Christians. There are some who choose the dogma of the law, I however, choose to live under grace.
"Only if she is on a jihad mission can she have received a dispensation to marry a Jew."
That makes absolutely no sense. If it is forbidden then it is forbidden. And, according to the Muslim Holy Book, who has the authority to give the dispensation, or is this some new man-made way to achieve an end? And then what happens after her mission is accomplished, does she get stoned to death for defiling herself with someone of a different faith or, possibly martyred for taking one for the team?
Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:48:50 GMT -5
The CRUSADES? LOL!! Yeah, can you come up with something current about Christians OR Jews doing ANYTHING to try to destroy the USA.. by lies, bombs, ANYTHING???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:50:11 GMT -5
And your point is?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 20, 2011 14:51:01 GMT -5
Can't we just not like democrats because we believe their policies don't work? Do we have to be so outlandish and ridiculous when accusing them of things?
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Post by swamp on Jun 20, 2011 14:51:59 GMT -5
Huma grew up in Saudi Arabia-- you know that, right?? Yes, I do. It doesn't mean she's a radical fundamentalist. If she was, she'd be running around in a burqa and married to another muslim.
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Post by swamp on Jun 20, 2011 14:53:18 GMT -5
Can't we just not like democrats because we believe their policies don't work? That's boring. We need a good conspiracy theory to liven things up over here.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 20, 2011 15:01:03 GMT -5
So, let me get this straight, if she is a "practicing muslim," it is synonymous with being a Jihadist? Is that then true of all of the Islamic faith? Maybe she is like some of any other faith, who chooses to ignore dogma and ritual, like some Christians. There are some who choose the dogma of the law, I however, choose to live under grace. "Only if she is on a jihad mission can she have received a dispensation to marry a Jew." That makes absolutely no sense. If it is forbidden then it is forbidden. And, according to the Muslim Holy Book, who has the authority to give the dispensation, or is this some new man-made way to achieve an end? And then what happens after her mission is accomplished, does she get stoned to death for defiling herself with someone of a different faith or, possibly martyred for taking one for the team? Wow. A practicing Muslim does not ignore the Koran. A practicing Muslim respects, honors and obeys the Koran. The entire religion of Islam is about obedience to Allah and the Koran. To practice Islam is to obey. The Koran says there are no circumstances where a Muslim woman can marry a Jewish man. I have read that in order to blend in and not raise suspicions "men" on jihad missions are given permission by their imams to drink or whatever. I am merely speculating that such dispensations may exist for women on similar missions. Huma's father is dead. Her mother accepts the marriage but her mother is involved with the Muslim Brotherhood which advocates sharia law. We are simply saying that all this is very interesting and a lot of it doesn't make any sense. Are elites in Islam above the Koran as elites in the western world seem to think they are above the law??
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Post by pepper112765 on Jun 20, 2011 15:10:17 GMT -5
Okay then if that is indeed the case, how then can she get a dispensation to do such? So the people that "give" the dispensations are going against the own holy book. So it is not about religion at all then is it, since one gets to pick and choose which parts they are want to follow, especially when it runs counter to what a person "believes?" Do I believe there is a difference between a Jihadist and a devout practicing Muslim, of course I do. A Jihadist, much like some preachers, priests or other "men of the cloth" twist the words of their own Holy Books to suit their own ends. Not about the religion at all but religion is used as the justification for their own nefarious deeds.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 20, 2011 15:15:32 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 20, 2011 15:18:39 GMT -5
Can't we just not like democrats because we believe their policies don't work? Do we have to be so outlandish and ridiculous when accusing them of things? If some can't come up with something meaningful to rant against, they'll find something ludicrous to rant against. We gotta whine, ya know?
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Post by verrip1 on Jun 20, 2011 15:18:54 GMT -5
I have a cousin who is a redneck toothless neo Nazi. Does that mean I share his political views? Well, you're a lawyer. Isn't that bad enough?
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