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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:13:30 GMT -5
What is the deal with the safety standards for car seats changing so often? What is with the planned obsolescence? I don't understand why they aren't insisting car seats are as safe today as they will be insisting they be in 3 years. Can anyone explain this to me?
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May 16, 2011 8:15:50 GMT -5
Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 16, 2011 8:15:50 GMT -5
You referring to car seats for babies?
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May 16, 2011 8:16:07 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:16:07 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:19:14 GMT -5
I don't know. I heard that the plastics in them break down and aren't as safe in a crash, but I used my first son's infant seat with baby number two even though it was 8 years old and past it's expiration date. It only was used for a few months with my first and then bagged up and stored away. My second grew out of it in less than 5 months too. The thing is still like brand new and I couldn't bring myself to buy another one for such a short period of time.
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May 16, 2011 8:31:25 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:31:25 GMT -5
what do you mean by the standards changing? The technology is getting better all the time so new seats come out with new technology. States are finally starting to get a clue and making car seat laws that are more in line with the laws of physics.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:32:52 GMT -5
I don't know. I heard that the plastics in them break down and aren't as safe in a crash, but I used my first son's infant seat with baby number two even though it was 8 years old and past it's expiration date. It only was used for a few months with my first and then bagged up and stored away. My second grew out of it in less than 5 months too. The thing is still like brand new and I couldn't bring myself to buy another one for such a short period of time. Nobody knows exactly when after the expiration date the seat will fail. It could be a week, it could be ayear, but by using a seat after the date, you are basically using your child as a crash test dummy. Yes, your child survived just fine, but if you had been in an accident, who knows what may have happened.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2011 8:36:02 GMT -5
My beef is how difficult they are to use. I'm sure that tether system is awesome - but that pretty much renders your car useless for anything but taking your babies places. Getting the seats in and out was impossible, and then they sent me a notice every day that it was highly likely my seat was installed incorrectly.
Also, I won't leave my kids in boosters until they are 80 pounds. They are so skinny, I won't make them be the losers that are in booster seats when I drop them off at high school.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2011 8:38:11 GMT -5
From what I understand the quality starts to decline after the expiration date because they are made of plastic. Then you should NEVER use one after its been in wreck because while they are designed to protect during a wreck, it doesn't mean they are built to do so thru multiple wrecks. I'd NEVER purchase a used one and most places don't sell them anyhow because you can't be sure they are up to current standards and have never been in a wreck. I had to have a car seat that met current federal safety standards otherwise DD would not have been released to me. You don't have to have the $400 designer car seat. Mine cost me $90 on clearance and meets all the safety requirements. As for having to be in one till you are praticatally 30, the idea is that they know now it is "safer" to be in a seat until your feet can touch the floor of the car in the backseat and a regular seat belt fits across your thighs instead of your abdomen. Which mean I should probably still be in a car seat. Wasting my car doesn't have the LATCH system, my car was built before 2000. We have ours attached to the seat using the seat belts. From everything I read right down to the DMV manual it is legal for us to have it attached that way so if someone wants to give me lip they can kiss my ass.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:40:34 GMT -5
While there are some adults that are short/light enough to technically need a carseat, the strength of their bones is much stronger than a child. One of the reasons for keeping a child rearfacing until a minimum of 2 is that the bones in their neck do not start to calcify until at least age 1 so basically in a crash, if forward facing, they run the risk of being internally decapitated.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:42:02 GMT -5
My beef is how difficult they are to use. I'm sure that tether system is awesome - but that pretty much renders your car useless for anything but taking your babies places. Getting the seats in and out was impossible, and then they sent me a notice every day that it was highly likely my seat was installed incorrectly. Also, I won't leave my kids in boosters until they are 80 pounds. They are so skinny, I won't make them be the losers that are in booster seats when I drop them off at high school. You shouldn't be installing and uninstalling your carseat all the time.
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May 16, 2011 8:43:23 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:43:23 GMT -5
As far as price, you can get a Cosco Scenara for around $50 or so. Should keep your child rearfacing til 30 pounds I believe and then be good for forward facing until hopefully close to age 3.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:44:27 GMT -5
Nobody knows exactly when after the expiration date the seat will fail. It could be a week, it could be ayear, but by using a seat after the date, you are basically using your child as a crash test dummy. Yes, your child survived just fine, but if you had been in an accident, who knows what may have happened. My car is older than the seat (by a long shot).
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:45:18 GMT -5
As far as price, you can get a Cosco Scenara for around $50 or so. Should keep your child rearfacing til 30 pounds I believe and then be good for forward facing until hopefully close to age 3. A good mom would keep their child rear facing until kindergarten.
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May 16, 2011 8:46:22 GMT -5
Post by swamp on May 16, 2011 8:46:22 GMT -5
My beef is how difficult they are to use. I'm sure that tether system is awesome - but that pretty much renders your car useless for anything but taking your babies places. Getting the seats in and out was impossible, and then they sent me a notice every day that it was highly likely my seat was installed incorrectly. Also, I won't leave my kids in boosters until they are 80 pounds. They are so skinny, I won't make them be the losers that are in booster seats when I drop them off at high school. You shouldn't be installing and uninstalling your carseat all the time. What do you do if you take some grownups with you in the car instead of the kids. I have a minivan, and sometimes DH and I go places with some friends, and we drive because we call all go in one car. Am I supposed to make my friends sit in the car seats? Also, what if a couple has 2 cars but only one seat per kid and the seat travels with the kids?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:46:55 GMT -5
Nobody knows exactly when after the expiration date the seat will fail. It could be a week, it could be ayear, but by using a seat after the date, you are basically using your child as a crash test dummy. Yes, your child survived just fine, but if you had been in an accident, who knows what may have happened. My car is older than the seat (by a long shot). and? ?
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Post by swamp on May 16, 2011 8:47:03 GMT -5
As far as price, you can get a Cosco Scenara for around $50 or so. Should keep your child rearfacing til 30 pounds I believe and then be good for forward facing until hopefully close to age 3. A good mom would keep their child rear facing until kindergarten. My kids are huge. I couldn't keep them rear facing until 2, they wouldn't fit. With DD, we're lucky we made it to 1.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:48:29 GMT -5
You shouldn't be installing and uninstalling your carseat all the time. What do you do if you take some grownups with you in the car instead of the kids. I have a minivan, and sometimes DH and I go places with some friends, and we drive because we call all go in one car. Am I supposed to make my friends sit in the car seats? Also, what if a couple has 2 cars but only one seat per kid and the seat travels with the kids? I said you shouldn't be uninstalling and reinstalling multiple times a week, or on a daily basis, not once in awhile. Most parents buy a seat for each car.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2011 8:49:00 GMT -5
While there are some adults that are short/light enough to technically need a carseat, the strength of their bones is much stronger than a child
I'm just poking fun at myself singlemom, I understand why DD needs to be in a carseat and I'll obey the laws because it isn't worth disobeying them.
Doesn't mean I agree with it. DD is figuring out what that little red button is for on her latch. I am very nervous for when the time comes and she can get it unhooked but I can't see her because she's still rear facing.
You want me to keep her rearfacing make a latch system that is childproof.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:49:12 GMT -5
A good mom would keep their child rear facing until kindergarten. My kids are huge. I couldn't keep them rear facing until 2, they wouldn't fit. With DD, we're lucky we made it to 1. How did they fit in the seat forward facing and not rear facing?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:50:35 GMT -5
While there are some adults that are short/light enough to technically need a carseat, the strength of their bones is much stronger than a childI'm just poking fun at myself singlemom, I understand why DD needs to be in a carseat and I'll obey the laws because it isn't worth disobeying them. Doesn't mean I agree with it. DD is figuring out what that little red button is for on her latch. I am very nervous for when the time comes and she can get it unhooked but I can't see her because she's still rear facing. You want me to keep her rearfacing make a latch system that is childproof. I've seen the recommendation to flip the buckle around so she can't get to it. It's also been suggested to cover it with some kind of velcro thing so she can't get to it. If you go to the ivillage car seat board, the ladies over there will have some suggestions.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:51:24 GMT -5
Most of it is just marketing. Manufacturers can instill a lot of fear into people , especially when it comes to children. So, the idea that using a used carseat is going to result in a tragedy is an easy one for them to play on. But, if the carseat was in use during a wreck, it should not be used again. And, you should look at the age and overall condition. As for booster seats, my kids were tall and skinny. And, i dumped the booster seat after a certain point. They are hard plastic with a thin layer of fabric over them. If they really want kids in them, especially for long trips, then they need to look at the issue of comfort as well. and I'm sure someone who is selling their car seat to make money is going to tell you about the accident they were in.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:52:51 GMT -5
My car is older than the seat (by a long shot). and? ? A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2011 8:53:36 GMT -5
I've seen the recommendation to flip the buckle around so she can't get to it. It's also been suggested to cover it with some kind of velcro thing so she can't get to it. If you go to the ivillage car seat board, the ladies over there will have some suggestionsThat's an insane amount of work. With all the fancy stuff that car seats come with now right down to one I saw that has its own air cushioned head rest for collisions they can't make a latch system that kids can't figure out?
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May 16, 2011 8:53:47 GMT -5
Post by swamp on May 16, 2011 8:53:47 GMT -5
My kids are huge. I couldn't keep them rear facing until 2, they wouldn't fit. With DD, we're lucky we made it to 1. How did they fit in the seat forward facing and not rear facing? They're tall. Their legs got all squished up facing backwards. When you turned them forward, there was room for their legs. ETA: We changed from the "baby in a bucket" car seat to a regular car seat.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:54:16 GMT -5
and? ? A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. The age of your car and the safety of your carseat are completely separate things. I'm not at all seeing the comparison.
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May 16, 2011 8:55:01 GMT -5
Post by swamp on May 16, 2011 8:55:01 GMT -5
What do you do if you take some grownups with you in the car instead of the kids. I have a minivan, and sometimes DH and I go places with some friends, and we drive because we call all go in one car. Am I supposed to make my friends sit in the car seats? Also, what if a couple has 2 cars but only one seat per kid and the seat travels with the kids? I said you shouldn't be uninstalling and reinstalling multiple times a week, or on a daily basis, not once in awhile. Most parents buy a seat for each car. Most do. I did. However, I recognize some parents have some financial issues that would make it a problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:55:25 GMT -5
How did they fit in the seat forward facing and not rear facing? They're tall. Their legs got all squished up facing backwards. When you turned them forward, there was room for their legs. And? squished legs is not a safety issue. Not to mention, even if it was, a broken leg is a lot easier to heal from than a broken neck.
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May 16, 2011 8:55:41 GMT -5
Post by resolution on May 16, 2011 8:55:41 GMT -5
You are all going to be bad mothers by the time this thread is done. Maybe you should discuss staying at home versus working too.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 8:56:39 GMT -5
A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. The age of your car and the safety of your carseat are completely separate things. I'm not at all seeing the comparison. Why doesn't the car expire? It has 16 year old seatbelts holding in the car seat and I'm sure their is plenty of rust in the undercarriage where the seats are attached.
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May 16, 2011 8:57:23 GMT -5
Post by swamp on May 16, 2011 8:57:23 GMT -5
You are all going to be bad mothers by the time this thread is done. Maybe you should discuss staying at home versus working too. I already am a bad mother. I had c-sections, I work, I didn't breastfeed one of my children. I don't give them an all organic and natural diet. I know, I'm a failure.
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