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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 10:31:29 GMT -5
I told DH that forcing DS to ride in a booster/harness until he was 12 would build his character as his friends mocked the hell out of him.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 10:31:35 GMT -5
This has got to be a f***king joke. Really?? You are going to roll your kid up like a pretzel and tie them in when they are 5 years old?
uh yeah...I was joking. I was just predicting where this thread was headed.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2011 10:32:54 GMT -5
I told DH that forcing DS to ride in a booster/harness until he was 12 would build his character as his friends mocked the hell out of himDH was talking about that, which is what lead to the joke that if they keep going the direction they are headed eventually I'll be back in one. Nothing like unbuckling yourself from your car seat to head into work!
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May 16, 2011 10:35:27 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 10:35:27 GMT -5
thyme - some extended rear-facers are kind of crazy. I was reading these boards with threads on how to bring in car seats from Europe (which aren't approved here) in order to keep your kid rear-facing until they are 5. In fact I think the law in Scandinavia is rear-facing until 4 and the British are trying to get people to do that too. www.carseat.se/store.html
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Post by raeoflyte on May 16, 2011 10:37:50 GMT -5
I figure by the time DS gets his license they will have figured out how to have everyone in the car rear facing....
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 16, 2011 10:40:26 GMT -5
Ooohhh, I loved it when I switched my oldest from the rear-facing seat. Now, any time I need to, I can shut him up with some food or crayons without having to stop, get out of the car, etc etc
I had heck of a time stuffing my youngest into rear-facing seat this past winter. Even though he is nowhere near the weight limit, once he was in his snow-suit, it was almost impossible. I'll keep him in it for a few more months, but then I will need the seat for the new baby, so will have to be evicted.
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May 16, 2011 10:40:40 GMT -5
Post by Angel! on May 16, 2011 10:40:40 GMT -5
What is the deal with the safety standards for car seats changing so often? What is with the planned obsolescence? I don't understand why they aren't insisting car seats are as safe today as they will be insisting they be in 3 years. Can anyone explain this to me? I don't think anyone really addressed the changing safety standards question. The reason they make new rules for safety standards, but they are for the future is because companies making car seats have to be given time to change seat designs & update their manufacturing processes. That all takes time, so they set dates by which the car seats must meet the new standards.
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May 16, 2011 10:43:06 GMT -5
Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2011 10:43:06 GMT -5
I guess the upside to the planned obsolescence is that it doesn't effect most people. Either you have your (normally 2) kids so close together that they are in the same standards, or you have them so far apart that you have to start over anyway. Only people that have a lot of kids seem to know what was the norm 6 years ago and 2 years from now.
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Post by Angel! on May 16, 2011 10:46:47 GMT -5
The larger car seats don't fit in our car rear facing (that is if you want to be able to sit in the drivers seat). I was thinking the same thing when I am reading that kids have to be rear-facing until 2. My car barely fits an infant seat, I have a very hard time believing that a larger convertible carseat is going to fit in my car rear-facing. Does anyone have one of these is a smaller vehicle? Although I think DS's seat is converible & I've just always had it forward facing - there is no freaking way that thing would fit in turned around & his legs wouldn't fit either. I'm such a bad mom
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2011 10:47:03 GMT -5
I'm just counting up how many different seats I am going to have to buy in DD's lifetime. At least they seem to get cheaper as we get closer to her not needing one.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2011 10:50:24 GMT -5
3 seats - infant, convertible, booster. Actually, for us, it was 5 seats - infant, convertible in each car, booster in each car.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2011 10:53:52 GMT -5
So far it'll be three for us. DH has a convertible. I bought an infant because I take her to and from daycare. She's starting to outgrow it now.
I was looking at convertible because she'd be front facing by the time she outgrows this one, but now I am not so sure because I don't know if it'll fit rear facing in my car.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 16, 2011 11:01:03 GMT -5
We have to add a car seat at each stage for each of the grandparents too. (Don't want to move that seat too often, and one of them has the baby once a week). We've spent at least $650 for the seats so far.
(IL's, didn't want the cheaper convertible seat we would have bought for their car, so they went out and dropped a small fortune on one. They only have ds twice a month, but they run errands all day when they do have him, so I guess it's good he's comfy).
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 11:04:46 GMT -5
why would he not want to keep his child safer? Well, for one thing he can't ride in the passenger seat of our car because the seat has to be all the way forward. In the van it's not as big a deal for room-wise for the people in front, but our son is really big and already is having to bend his legs to sit and you can't get in and out of the van on the side his seat is on. Plus, they're just happier forward-facing (at least my first was). They can see everyone and the DVD player in the van...which is a godsend on long trips. As already stated, bent legs are not an issue. Also, once they have head control the seat can be installed more upright (not the 45 degree angle as in infant seats).
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 11:06:53 GMT -5
The larger car seats don't fit in our car rear facing (that is if you want to be able to sit in the drivers seat). I was thinking the same thing when I am reading that kids have to be rear-facing until 2. My car barely fits an infant seat, I have a very hard time believing that a larger convertible carseat is going to fit in my car rear-facing. Does anyone have one of these is a smaller vehicle? Although I think DS's seat is converible & I've just always had it forward facing - there is no freaking way that thing would fit in turned around & his legs wouldn't fit either. I'm such a bad mom As stated, convertible carseats can be installed more upright meaning that take up less room front to back than an infant seat.
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May 16, 2011 11:08:10 GMT -5
Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2011 11:08:10 GMT -5
Even all the way up, my convertible seat couldn't be positioned behind me and for me to drive safely. I was way, way too close to the steering wheel. I was able to sit in the passenger seat with it backwards, but if the airbags had gone off, I probably would have broken every rib. I was really quite close. The suggested time backwards when my kids were young was 1 year, which we followed.
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Post by Colleenz on May 16, 2011 11:08:15 GMT -5
I was told that the child should not have bulky clothes / coats on between them and the harness straps for the seat to be safe. Just FYI because I don't know anyone who is going to bundle up their kid to take them outside to the car and then unbundle them to put them in the seat.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2011 11:08:51 GMT -5
I need to get on my parents to get one since my dad is DD's emergency contact.
My MIL has one, but I put my foot down with DH about her driving DD, she's half blind in one eye and doesn't see too well out of the other either. We can't stop her from driving herself, but we can stop her from driving DD around.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2011 11:09:15 GMT -5
Freezing to death is acceptable - as long as you are following car seat protocol.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 11:11:10 GMT -5
Ok, for anyone who is interested in researching car seat safety and finding ways to make the latest recommendations work for them (instead of just saying 'won't work') I suggest you go to the ivillage carseat board. There are certified child passenger safety techs there and they will try and help you find a solution that works with your vehicle and budget.
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May 16, 2011 11:15:18 GMT -5
Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2011 11:15:18 GMT -5
I'm not saying "won't work" - I'm saying "didn't work." My kids legally don't have to be in seats at all, and I'm following the current guidelines for their age and weight. I do admit that sometimes we follow the law and not the guidelines. So, yes, I'm a crappy mother.
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May 16, 2011 11:19:06 GMT -5
Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2011 11:19:06 GMT -5
I'm saying "didn't work." My kids legally don't have to be in seats at all, and I'm following the current guidelines for their age and weight. I do admit that sometimes we follow the law and not the guidelines. So, yes, I'm a crappy mother. Welcome to the club.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2011 11:20:56 GMT -5
By the way - if everyone is all judgemental and putting their kids backwards until they are 5 years old - I would avoid ivilliage like a turd in a punchbowl!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 11:22:38 GMT -5
By the way - if everyone is all judgemental and putting their kids backwards until they are 5 years old - I would avoid ivilliage like a turd in a punchbowl! No, they're not judgemental and not putting their kids rearfacing til they're 5.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2011 11:24:06 GMT -5
Well - then they are clearly all shitty mothers, so why would I take their advice?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 11:26:54 GMT -5
I've had good luck at www.car-seat.org/ with specific carseat questions, like my kid is a chunk and I have this type of car, what will work?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 11:29:10 GMT -5
I was told that the child should not have bulky clothes / coats on between them and the harness straps for the seat to be safe. Just FYI because I don't know anyone who is going to bundle up their kid to take them outside to the car and then unbundle them to put them in the seat. We always do blankets in the car seat and skip the coats and snowsuits altogether. Way easier to get them buckled in snugly. We have a car seat poncho too, which is easy to just drop on over their head for running into stores and stuff.
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May 16, 2011 11:49:40 GMT -5
Post by magichat on May 16, 2011 11:49:40 GMT -5
What if your 12 month old is 30 pounds? Should I keep him rear facing because the Pedatricians decided to bump up to two years instead of one year for rear facing? Dang kid is almost bigger than his sister.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 12:03:34 GMT -5
What if your 12 month old is 30 pounds? Should I keep him rear facing because the Pedatricians decided to bump up to two years instead of one year for rear facing? Dang kid is almost bigger than his sister. you buy a seat that rearfaces to 40 pounds. Unfortunately size/weight/ability to walk/etc. have absolutely nothing to do with when the bones in the neck become solid so until age 2 they are at a higher risk of internal decapitation in an accident.
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for anyone who is interested. this is copied from the carseat board. Rear Facing is the Safest Way to Travel: The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends rear-facing for as long as possible (to the limits of a convertible seat) for the best protection, which would be to 30-35 lbs. OR when the head is 1-inch from the top of the carseat. babyproducts.about.com/od/carseats/qt/rear_facing.htmAccording to NHTSA, a rear-facing car seat is 71 percent safer than no restraint at all, and a forward-facing car seat is 54 percent safer than no restraint at all. When a child is forward-facing, there is a lot of stress put on his/her neck in a crash. The weight of a child's head in a crash causes the spinal column to stretch...the spinal cord, however, is NOT meant to stretch! This can cause a tear...which means paralysis or even death. This is referred to as "internal decapitation"...the child's head would be slumped forward and it would look as though he/she was sleeping. It doesn't matter if the child has great head control...that means nothing. New data is showing that a forward-facing child is 4 times more likely to be seriously injured or killed than a rear-facing child of the same age. (note: having a carseat that allows tethering RFing reduces this risk (only two brands on the market currently allow this feature, Britax and Sunshine kids). New carseats can almost always can be tethered FFing which reduces head excursion in an accident. Even older cars can be retrofitted to add Top Tether Anchors) Rear-facing seats do such a great job of protecting children because the back of the carseat absorbs the crash forces. The child's head, neck, and spine are kept in alignment, allowing the carseat to absorb the forces. The child's head is also kept contained in the carseat, decreasing the risk of coming into contact with projectiles. More RF info: 1) rear-end collisions are less frequent than front-end collisions 2) rear-end collisions statistically occur at much lower impact speeds than front-end collisions 3) side impact collisions are less dangerous when RFing because of the way the carseat rotates in a side-impact collision. 4.) A forward-facing child under 2 years old is 4 times MORE likely to be killed or seriously injured in a crash and that the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends rear-facing for as long as possible for the best protection and that there has never been a single reported case of hip/leg/foot injury from rear-facing. 5.)What about big babies? A 95th percentile baby may look stronger than his 5th percentile friend, but in a crash the bigger baby is likely MORE at risk if he's riding forward-facing. The rigidity of bones and the strength of ligaments in the spine is likely the same in children of the same age, no matter their size. And a 95th percentile baby likely has a much larger, heavier head, which will pull forward which much more force than that of a 5th percentile child. 6.) Many parents in the US think it's "weird" to have a 2 year old rear-facing--most children are switched to forward-facing around their first birthday. But if you lived in Sweden, the idea of a 2 year old FORWARD-facing would be "weird," as they keep kids rear-facing until the ages of 3 or 5. In Sweden, children go straight from rear-facing seats to booster seats! Because kids sit rear-facing for so long, fewer than 1 child a year dies in a rear-facing car seat in Sweden. If we also kept more kids rear-facing, we would not only see fewer deaths, but also fewer injuries--especially the really hard to fix ones like those to the spinal cord and head.
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