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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 20, 2024 10:57:06 GMT -5
again, the average is 400 gallons per YEAR. i realize that those numbers are skewed by the fact that over half the population is urban. do you mind me asking one follow up question? if Biden/Harris had reduced gas prices 80 cents per gallon over Trump, would you be voting for her? Probably not but it would be a + for them. As far as the avg of 400 gal per year I haven't driven that little since I was in my teens. Interesting when you say the numbers are skewed since half the population is urban. Middle America is basically Republican states. exactly. i have one more follow up question. if you prefer for privacy reasons to answer on the IM, i understand: do you drive for a living? i have never driven that many miles a month in my entire life- even when i spent the summer driving across the US as a young adult. |
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Post by scgal on Oct 20, 2024 11:24:37 GMT -5
Probably not but it would be a + for them. As far as the avg of 400 gal per year I haven't driven that little since I was in my teens. Interesting when you say the numbers are skewed since half the population is urban. Middle America is basically Republican states. exactly. i have one more follow up question. if you prefer for privacy reasons to answer on the IM, i understand: do you drive for a living? i have never driven that many miles a month in my entire life- even when i spent the summer driving across the US as a young adult. No I don't. When I was hitting 75k a year it was some business. My husband routinely drives over 50k year and I drive 35 to 45k year. Posters on this board don't understand how much real rural America drives. Our driving is actually to the middle of what alot of people here do. I seen here people get worried when their cars hit 100k hell we think nothing of getting 350 to 500k on our autos |
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Post by scgal on Oct 20, 2024 11:25:54 GMT -5
You are pretty close. I don't know very many people who drive cars here most have suv, and trucks. We (husband and I) drive anywhere between 5500 and 8000 miles a month hell a couple of years ago I was driving about 75k a year. I don't drive small veichles or an ev I like a big truck both of our auto don't get more than 18 mpg and most of the time it’s around 15. This is very common around rural areas. We don't do EV we don't do foreign small cars. We like our gas / diesel guzzling autos and will vote accordingling So, because you are a major outlier, you generalize it to everyone. When people complain about rents or taxes, the conservative reply is to move somewhere cheaper. So, in that vein, you could drive a car with better chassis mileage or an ev, or drive l SS. Funny how entitled you feel that you think you should have cheap gas so you can drive that much. Drive less and improve air quality. That is the think half of America drives a lot I'm not an outlier |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 20, 2024 11:29:16 GMT -5
So, because you are a major outlier, you generalize it to everyone. When people complain about rents or taxes, the conservative reply is to move somewhere cheaper. So, in that vein, you could drive a car with better chassis mileage or an ev, or drive l SS. Funny how entitled you feel that you think you should have cheap gas so you can drive that much. Drive less and improve air quality. That is the think half of America drives a lot I'm not an outlier You all tell people in NYC who complain about rents to suck it up or move. Well, why doesn’t that apply to you. You refuse to tell us how a president controls gas prices. Absent any intelligent response, we can only conclude it is another of many uninformed opinions that you have. So again, how does a president cont try ok gas prices, since it seems to be an important reason for u your criticism of Biden and Harris |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 20, 2024 13:01:39 GMT -5
exactly. i have one more follow up question. if you prefer for privacy reasons to answer on the IM, i understand: do you drive for a living? i have never driven that many miles a month in my entire life- even when i spent the summer driving across the US as a young adult. No I don't. When I was hitting 75k a year it was some business. My husband routinely drives over 50k year and I drive 35 to 45k year. Posters on this board don't understand how much real rural America drives. Our driving is actually to the middle of what alot of people here do. I seen here people get worried when their cars hit 100k hell we think nothing of getting 350 to 500k on our autos yeah. like i say, that amounts to 100-200 hours a month of driving! that is 3-6 hours a day! there are people in CA that drive that much. they live in the middle of the state and commute to the coastal regions for work. me? i would never put up with it. that is 100-200 hours a month that i could be spending on music, which is far more valuable to me. but i get that some people love driving. i am just not one of them. i might like it better if i ran into fewer assholes and traffic on the road. however, i have to correct you slightly on your math. half of the country does not use 300 gallons a month. if it did, then the averages would be way different than they are. even if the rest of the country drove ZERO miles per year, if you are averaging 5-10k/month, and you were like half the country, that would be 2.5-5k/month average, which is 3x what it actually is. the ONLY way the math works is if you are a 1-10%'er. if 10% of the country drove as much as you, that would be HALF of the national average, just for you and your demographic. which would mean the rest of us would drive less than 6000 miles a year- which is POSSIBLE, though not likely. in other words, you are most certainly in a group that comprises less than 10% of the driving public. thanks, though. this explains a lot about a great many things. it is a glimpse into the lives of the flyover states, for sure. |
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Post by tallguy on Oct 20, 2024 13:41:54 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself, but even when I was working full-time I only averaged between 5-6000 per year and I didn't even use transit. Now that I am retired, I only drive about 2000 unless we decide to do a road trip. Haven't done that since COVID started though, canceling three of them. 2000 miles per year is also why I don't go out and buy a new car. Depreciation at $5/mile seems pretty steep!  |
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 20, 2024 13:56:06 GMT -5
So, because you are a major outlier, you generalize it to everyone. When people complain about rents or taxes, the conservative reply is to move somewhere cheaper. So, in that vein, you could drive a car with better chassis mileage or an ev, or drive l SS. Funny how entitled you feel that you think you should have cheap gas so you can drive that much. Drive less and improve air quality. That is the think half of America drives a lot I'm not an outlier I believe you confuse population size with geographical size. Nowhere close to half the population lives in rural America. I never use public transportation here since it really sucks. But that 75K you drove one year? That is slightly more than what I had on my car when it was totaled a few years ago. I bought the car new and it was 11 years old when I reluctantly had to get a new one. Most of the time I got relatively lousy mileage because of the traffic around here where a 12.5 mile drive could take more than an hour if you hit traffic just wrong! Driving a huge gas/diesel guzzler is a choice that no one but you should have to pay for. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 20, 2024 14:01:51 GMT -5
tallguy- you are way below average in terms of driving, but i am sure you know that. i am pretty much spot on average, which is 1100 miles/month. i paid $1,600 for my beater car, so let's just say i am not concerned with depreciation. i have several backup vehicles at work. one is a full sized pickup that i bought in 2000. i had to replace the tailgate, but other than that it is in beautiful shape, as it gets less use than my commuter.
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Post by tallguy on Oct 20, 2024 14:10:15 GMT -5
tallguy - you are way below average in terms of driving, but i am sure you know that.i am pretty much spot on average, which is 1100 miles/month. i paid $1,600 for my beater car, so let's just say i am not concerned with depreciation. i have several backup vehicles at work. one is a full sized pickup that i bought in 2000. i had to replace the tailgate, but other than that it is in beautiful shape, as it gets less use than my commuter. Dude, I am an outlier in damn near everything. Oftentimes an extreme one! |
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Is there a white paper out there that would explain to me the reasoning behind tariffs reducing inflation? I doubt I will agree with it, just like trickle down is voodoo- but I get their theory they sold. What is the theory behind the tariffs? Is there an economist out there that supports it? Tariffs will raise the cost to the purchasing companies here in the US. Those higher prices will be passed on to the end consumer. Inflationary. Deporting 5,10, 15 million illegals will cause a labor shortage and a lowered GDP. Should create higher wages. Inflationary. But possible stagflation. Trump tax cuts for the billionaires and companies that don’t need it will jack our debt trillions more. SCgal…Trump…good. Harris…bad. Debt…no big deal And the undying belief all of that is good for America. I don't want Kimberly Guilfoyle changing my bed pan in the nursing home. But it would serve her right. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 20, 2024 16:19:17 GMT -5
You still don't get it. Telling everyone that we have a strong economy while people struggle is about as stupid as one can be welI Democrats anyway. All people hear is oh it is better you vote this way or that way at least under Republican leadership they actually see and feel the difference at the grocery store the gas pump and other purchases. It is something they can see and feel it doesn't really affect most on this board but working class people Yea it makes a big difference. I don't have to answer any questions the proof is there life is better under republicans If you are the party in power, you focus on the people doing well. If you are not the party in power you focus on the struggle. I do not understand Trump’s plan to reduce inflation, improve healthcare or increase affordable housing. He has nothing in his policies that would increase wages or make working conditions better. If he gets back in office, he will cut regulations on businesses and cut taxes on the wealthy, and then he will brag that the stock market has never been higher. Inflation has slowed already, so if the subject comes up he will take credit for that and no one will talk about the cost of living until the next election. Remember when the GOP was freaking the fuck out about the debt, and then Trump was elected and only made things worse, yet absolutely no Republican even mentioned it. It is like they never really cared about the debt at all. Always has been and always will be. |
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Post by swamp on Oct 20, 2024 16:25:27 GMT -5
exactly. i have one more follow up question. if you prefer for privacy reasons to answer on the IM, i understand: do you drive for a living? i have never driven that many miles a month in my entire life- even when i spent the bull. summer driving across the US as a young adult. No I don't. When I was hitting 75k a year it was some business. My husband routinely drives over 50k year and I drive 35 to 45k year. Posters on this board don't understand how much real rural America drives. Our driving is actually to the middle of what alot of people here do. I seen here people get worried when their cars hit 100k hell we think nothing of getting 350 to 500k on our autos I live in the middle of nowhere in rural NYS and regularly drive to a different job site at least twice a week and the max I drive is 25,000 a year. I’m calling bull. |
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Post by tbop77 on Oct 21, 2024 6:58:59 GMT -5
No I don't. When I was hitting 75k a year it was some business. My husband routinely drives over 50k year and I drive 35 to 45k year. Posters on this board don't understand how much real rural America drives. Our driving is actually to the middle of what alot of people here do. I seen here people get worried when their cars hit 100k hell we think nothing of getting 350 to 500k on our autos I live in the middle of nowhere in rural NYS and regularly drive to a different job site at least twice a week and the max I drive is 25,000 a year. I’m calling bull. I thought the same thing.... On the other hand, who other than a Trumpster would drive that much and brag about loving a gas guzzler? Isn't that kinda the norm for them? Bitch, gripe, and complain and never figure out a solution? |
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Post by azucena on Oct 21, 2024 8:15:16 GMT -5
Completely pointless to argue with someone for whom facts are negotiable.
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Post by scgal on Oct 21, 2024 9:52:24 GMT -5
No I don't. When I was hitting 75k a year it was some business. My husband routinely drives over 50k year and I drive 35 to 45k year. Posters on this board don't understand how much real rural America drives. Our driving is actually to the middle of what alot of people here do. I seen here people get worried when their cars hit 100k hell we think nothing of getting 350 to 500k on our autos I live in the middle of nowhere in rural NYS and regularly drive to a different job site at least twice a week and the max I drive is 25,000 a year. I’m calling bull. Call it what you want. To go to the store it is easily 100 miles driving around It is nothing for me to drive to Savannah 1-2 times a week 270 one way. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean others don't |
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Post by swamp on Oct 21, 2024 13:27:49 GMT -5
I live in the middle of nowhere in rural NYS and regularly drive to a different job site at least twice a week and the max I drive is 25,000 a year. I’m calling bull. Call it what you want. To go to the store it is easily 100 miles driving around It is nothing for me to drive to Savannah 1-2 times a week 270 one way. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean others don't It's also 100 miles round trip for me to go to the mall or any store other than a grocery store or walmart. sounds like you should plan your trips better. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2024 13:29:09 GMT -5
I live in the middle of nowhere in rural NYS and regularly drive to a different job site at least twice a week and the max I drive is 25,000 a year. I’m calling bull. I thought the same thing.... On the other hand, who other than a Trumpster would drive that much and brag about loving a gas guzzler? Isn't that kinda the norm for them? Bitch, gripe, and complain and never figure out a solution? i wonder if it ever occurs to people that their leaders are setting traps for them. if you think carefully about many aspects of your life, you can avoid them. glorifying them brings joy ONLY to the puppetmasters. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2024 13:30:25 GMT -5
I live in the middle of nowhere in rural NYS and regularly drive to a different job site at least twice a week and the max I drive is 25,000 a year. I’m calling bull. Call it what you want. To go to the store it is easily 100 miles driving around It is nothing for me to drive to Savannah 1-2 times a week 270 one way. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean others don't and just because you do doesn't mean that half of America does. you are 1-10%'er in terms of driving, scgal . you HAVE to know that. most Americans can't afford that lifestyle, even at $1.85/gallon. |
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 21, 2024 15:38:09 GMT -5
300 gallons a month would be 5000-10000 miles per month of driving. at 50 miles per hour, that is 100-200 hours per month of driving. so, yes, this is at a minimum, a part time job. so, yes, that would also mean that this is part of a business, and therefore part of the cost of doing business (probably one that can be passed on to customers in the form of a fuel surcharge). i am starting to think even less of the gas argument against Biden than i did before this week. and i didn't think much of it, then. You are pretty close. I don't know very many people who drive cars here most have suv, and trucks. We (husband and I) drive anywhere between 5500 and 8000 miles a month hell a couple of years ago I was driving about 75k a year. I don't drive small veichles or an ev I like a big truck both of our auto don't get more than 18 mpg and most of the time its around 15. This is very common around rural areas. We don't do EV we don't do foreign small cars. We like our gas / diesel guzzling autos and will vote accordingling Since you understand how it feels to be unable or unwilling to make adjustments, and you want the government to make your choices as comfortable as possible and vote accordingly, then I am assuming you understand why people vote for candidates that make their circumstances and preferences easier for them. People who are voting for minimum wage increases, family planning rights, healthcare and a safety net just want what you want - their big truck, and the government do what is necessary to keep that choice feasible. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2024 18:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 22, 2024 16:05:11 GMT -5
um....wow. about once a month this board is really worth it. thanks, thyme4changeIf it is good for the goose, it is good for the gander. If the government should subsidize her big truck because she likes it, maybe they could throw a bag of potato chips to some starving person. |
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Post by scgal on Oct 22, 2024 17:58:53 GMT -5
I thought the same thing.... On the other hand, who other than a Trumpster would drive that much and brag about loving a gas guzzler? Isn't that kinda the norm for them? Bitch, gripe, and complain and never figure out a solution? i wonder if it ever occurs to people that their leaders are setting traps for them. if you think carefully about many aspects of your life, you can avoid them. glorifying them brings joy ONLY to the puppetmasters. The thing is I am not bitching for myself I can afford it if it was 8 gal. Others can't and it is a great talking point to point out when a republican is in office gas is usually cheaper over his term compared to a democrat term. As far as finding or offering a solution why do I need to I cannot do anything about it other than vote in the ones who I think can that is my part. |
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Post by scgal on Oct 22, 2024 18:00:26 GMT -5
You are pretty close. I don't know very many people who drive cars here most have suv, and trucks. We (husband and I) drive anywhere between 5500 and 8000 miles a month hell a couple of years ago I was driving about 75k a year. I don't drive small veichles or an ev I like a big truck both of our auto don't get more than 18 mpg and most of the time its around 15. This is very common around rural areas. We don't do EV we don't do foreign small cars. We like our gas / diesel guzzling autos and will vote accordingling Since you understand how it feels to be unable or unwilling to make adjustments, and you want the government to make your choices as comfortable as possible and vote accordingly, then I am assuming you understand why people vote for candidates that make their circumstances and preferences easier for them. People who are voting for minimum wage increases, family planning rights, healthcare and a safety net just want what you want - their big truck, and the government do what is necessary to keep that choice feasible. Exactly, I couldn't agree more. You vote for the ones who you align with. |
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Post by scgal on Oct 22, 2024 18:02:46 GMT -5
No I don't. When I was hitting 75k a year it was some business. My husband routinely drives over 50k year and I drive 35 to 45k year. Posters on this board don't understand how much real rural America drives. Our driving is actually to the middle of what alot of people here do. I seen here people get worried when their cars hit 100k hell we think nothing of getting 350 to 500k on our autos yeah. like i say, that amounts to 100-200 hours a month of driving! that is 3-6 hours a day! there are people in CA that drive that much. they live in the middle of the state and commute to the coastal regions for work. me? i would never put up with it. that is 100-200 hours a month that i could be spending on music, which is far more valuable to me. but i get that some people love driving. i am just not one of them. i might like it better if i ran into fewer assholes and traffic on the road. however, i have to correct you slightly on your math. half of the country does not use 300 gallons a month. if it did, then the averages would be way different than they are. even if the rest of the country drove ZERO miles per year, if you are averaging 5-10k/month, and you were like half the country, that would be 2.5-5k/month average, which is 3x what it actually is. the ONLY way the math works is if you are a 1-10%'er. if 10% of the country drove as much as you, that would be HALF of the national average, just for you and your demographic. which would mean the rest of us would drive less than 6000 miles a year- which is POSSIBLE, though not likely. in other words, you are most certainly in a group that comprises less than 10% of the driving public. thanks, though. this explains a lot about a great many things. it is a glimpse into the lives of the flyover states, for sure. Yea that is about right for avg. Some days only about an hour then I may be in the truck for 5 or 6 for 4 day straight travelling. |
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Post by scgal on Oct 22, 2024 18:07:20 GMT -5
That is the think half of America drives a lot I'm not an outlier You all tell people in NYC who complain about rents to suck it up or move. Well, why doesn’t that apply to you. You refuse to tell us how a president controls gas prices. Absent any intelligent response, we can only conclude it is another of many uninformed opinions that you have. So again, how does a president cont try ok gas prices, since it seems to be an important reason for u your criticism of Biden and Harris What, when? Please show me where I have said people in NYC should suck it up or move about rents? I know I never started it that way. I don't need to tell you how presidents control gas prices, I don't know and I don't care just that under a Republican it is generally cheaper for their term than it is under a democrat. Only an uninformed person would see it differently. It is only 1 of the reasons I wouldn't vote for a dem. The way it is looking Harris is going to lose bigly..... |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 22, 2024 18:37:50 GMT -5
i wonder if it ever occurs to people that their leaders are setting traps for them. if you think carefully about many aspects of your life, you can avoid them. glorifying them brings joy ONLY to the puppetmasters. The thing is I am not bitching for myself I can afford it if it was 8 gal. Others can't and it is a great talking point to point out when a republican is in office gas is usually cheaper over his term compared to a democrat term. As far as finding or offering a solution why do I need to I cannot do anything about it other than vote in the ones who I think can that is my part. we have it easy. no structural biases in our way. not everyone is so fortunate. as to gas prices, you are right. the reason that gas prices are lower is because the economy has fared far worse under Republicans. economic activity fuels energy consumption. so, as i already said earlier in the thread, you can have one or the other, but not both. the reason gas was so cheap under Trump is that the economy was the worst since Hoover under him. he broke the record set by Bush2 for doing a shit job with the economy. and by "the economy" i mean GDP growth and employment. if those things don't matter to you (like, say, if you are an undertaker or an insurance salesman) then you PERSONALLY might see things differently. |
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You all tell people in NYC who complain about rents to suck it up or move. Well, why doesn’t that apply to you. You refuse to tell us how a president controls gas prices. Absent any intelligent response, we can only conclude it is another of many uninformed opinions that you have. So again, how does a president cont try ok gas prices, since it seems to be an important reason for u your criticism of Biden and Harris What, when? Please show me where I have said people in NYC should suck it up or move about rents? I know I never started it that way. I don't need to tell you how presidents control gas prices, I don't know and I don't care just that under a Republican it is generally cheaper for their term than it is under a democrat. Only an uninformed person would see it differently. It is only 1 of the reasons I wouldn't vote for a dem. The way it is looking Harris is going to lose bigly..... You are so incredibly uninformed. If you cannot tell us how a president controls gas prices, how is a president responsible for them. Vote how you want. But your reasoning is stupid, just own up to the fact that your reasons are dumb. Republicans tell people who live in high tax areas to move. I am sure you don’t have a problem with the SALT tax limit, so I don’t believe you that you havent said that to people who live in nyc. |
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Post by tallguy on Oct 22, 2024 19:12:10 GMT -5
The thing is I am not bitching for myself I can afford it if it was 8 gal. Others can't and it is a great talking point to point out when a republican is in office gas is usually cheaper over his term compared to a democrat term. As far as finding or offering a solution why do I need to I cannot do anything about it other than vote in the ones who I think can that is my part. we have it easy. no structural biases in our way. not everyone is so fortunate. as to gas prices, you are right. the reason that gas prices are lower is because the economy has fared far worse under Republicans. economic activity fuels energy consumption. so, as i already said earlier in the thread, you can have one or the other, but not both.the reason gas was so cheap under Trump is that the economy was the worst since Hoover under him. he broke the record set by Bush2 for doing a shit job with the economy. and by "the economy" i mean GDP growth and employment. if those things don't matter to you (like, say, if you are an undertaker or an insurance salesman) then you PERSONALLY might see things differently. Exactly. I was going to make this point so am glad to see it done already. Presidents do not control gas prices, other than possibly decreasing demand through poor economic performance or driving us into a recession. Or completely botching a pandemic response.... There are ways to artificially lower prices in the short term, though those are short-sighted and likely harmful in the long run. Economic expansion requires a lot of energy, which results in higher prices. If we were able to develop new and better technologies it may improve things for the future, but Republicans are against that too. But let there be no mistake. Historically, the economy performs far better under Democratic administrations than it does under Republicans. It may not be quite as simple as D or R, but the record doesn't lie. It's right there in the open. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 22, 2024 21:05:56 GMT -5
since 1932, the economy has grown an average of 4.6% per year under Democrats, only 2.4% per year under Republicans.
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Post by dondubble on Oct 22, 2024 22:23:41 GMT -5
I can tell you how a president can control gas prices and have seen the Trump videos. #1 was getting the domestic oil production cut by 13% to save the poor producers during COVID. Then he had beautiful conversations with Putin and MBS the Saudi Butcher. They complied with his request too.
Then Covid ended, demand returned to normal and as scgal can tell us, the S&D Curve whipped those prices right up giving those producers windfall profits. Then the historical spread between wholesale and at the pump mysteriously widened enriching the oil people even more.
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