Trump gave Putin Covid test machines

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 10:41:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 17, 2024 10:33:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i find the willful ignorance the most galling.

we have this big beautiful internet machine. you can literally do your own fact checking in SECONDS.

for example, during his town hall at Telemundo, Trump claimed that 97% of his former staff supported him. it took me about 15 seconds to find out that 91% of his former staff does NOT support him.

in a separate crossfire, i heard one of the Trump suckups recounting his many successes. so i fact checked that one. half of Trump's 102 promises were broken. a quarter of them were implemented. and one quarter were implemented in compromise fashion. contrast this to Obama. half of his 337 promises were KEPT. a quarter were broken. and a quarter were implemented in compromise fashion.

in other words, on that basis, Obama was a much more effective president- implementing or partially implementing over 250 campaign promises to Trump's 50. and yet the Trump tools argue that he was a more effective president. by what standard?

Its really quite simple any of the promises that Obama gave would most likely result in bad for the nation. Trumps would be good. 

touche.

however, he was elected (twice) to fulfill those promises.  i did not say "good" or "bad".  i said "effective".  i did that for a reason: because i realize that people will differ on what they think "good" and "bad" is, but can agree on what "effective" is without that entering into the debate.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

 Iran had hundreds or thousands of expensive centrifuges operating 24/7 to produce weapon grade uranium. We forced them to destroy most of them and not buy more. Essentially putting them out of the bomb making activity.  trump put them back in business. scgal did you understand any of what we have been saying? 

[dondubble]

Oct 18, 2024 11:52:50 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

 Iran had hundreds or thousands of expensive centrifuges operating 24/7 to produce weapon grade uranium. We forced them to destroy most of them and not buy more. Essentially putting them out of the bomb making activity.  trump put them back in business. scgal did you understand any of what we have been saying? 

Doesn’t care. Trump…good. Demos…bad.

[scgal]

Oct 18, 2024 11:32:21 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Oct 18, 2024 10:38:02 GMT -5 scgal said:

No it didn't all it did was postpone it for a decade. They still were allowed to work with nuclear material. It was a terrible deal I wouldn't expect anything better coming from the Obama administration. Iran proved to the world they are not a peaceable nation. 

Must have been difficult for a conservative extremist, from the Confederate flag waving state, to have to suffer so much having a Black President. I’m personally grateful he steered us away from the financial abyss caused by you people and delivered an excellent economy to Trump.

Excellent economy by whom....2016 was the only year where gas didn't have an Ave over 3.00 gal. Trump never hit it. Under Biden who is another failure again high gas, high inflation. Face it Democrat policies are terrible. I'll take an orange tint, falsely convicted felon over a know nothing, haven't done anything cackling mouthpiece anyday.

[djAdvocate]

inflation was worse in Europe.
is Biden responsible for inflation in Europe?

[billisonboard]

Oct 18, 2024 13:45:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 11:32:21 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Must have been difficult for a conservative extremist, from the Confederate flag waving state, to have to suffer so much having a Black President. I’m personally grateful he steered us away from the financial abyss caused by you people and delivered an excellent economy to Trump.

Excellent economy by whom....2016 was the only year where gas didn't have an Ave over 3.00 gal. Trump never hit it. Under Biden who is another failure again high gas, high inflation. Face it Democrat policies are terrible. I'll take an orange tint, falsely convicted felon over a know nothing, haven't done anything cackling mouthpiece anyday.

Presidents have no significant control on gas prices.

[djAdvocate]

here is another thing that Americans are bad at: economics.

not sure most of us are aware of this, but inflation tends to go with high economic growth. in other words, you can choose between them, but you can't GENERALLY have one without the other. in my lifetime, they have been decoupled exactly once: in the 70's.

since then, the OPPOSITE has happened: stagnation. under Trump, the economy grew even more slowly than under Obama- and that was really bad growth.

when gas prices are high, i know that economic growth is high, which is great for me in every other way than at the pump. i worry far more when gas prices are low. it is bad for (my) business.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 13:45:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 11:32:21 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Must have been difficult for a conservative extremist, from the Confederate flag waving state, to have to suffer so much having a Black President. I’m personally grateful he steered us away from the financial abyss caused by you people and delivered an excellent economy to Trump.

Excellent economy by whom....2016 was the only year where gas didn't have an Ave over 3.00 gal. Trump never hit it. Under Biden who is another failure again high gas, high inflation. Face it Democrat policies are terrible. I'll take an orange tint, falsely convicted felon over a know nothing, haven't done anything cackling mouthpiece anyday.

i can't understand why anyone would vote for our undoing over cheap gas.  but maybe it is just me.  and there is nothing false about his conviction.  if there were, it would certainly be overturned.

you seem to be backpedaling, scgal.  that is discouraging.

[seriousthistime]

Oct 18, 2024 13:55:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Oct 18, 2024 13:45:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Excellent economy by whom....2016 was the only year where gas didn't have an Ave over 3.00 gal. Trump never hit it. Under Biden who is another failure again high gas, high inflation. Face it Democrat policies are terrible. I'll take an orange tint, falsely convicted felon over a know nothing, haven't done anything cackling mouthpiece anyday.

Presidents have no significant control on gas prices.

And add in the oil companies' price gouging/record profits during much of Biden's term. 

[ken a.k.a OMK]

People like scgal with no understanding of economics use gas prices as an argument about a sitting President. 

[dondubble]

Oct 18, 2024 13:45:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 11:32:21 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Must have been difficult for a conservative extremist, from the Confederate flag waving state, to have to suffer so much having a Black President. I’m personally grateful he steered us away from the financial abyss caused by you people and delivered an excellent economy to Trump.

Excellent economy by whom....2016 was the only year where gas didn't have an Ave over 3.00 gal. Trump never hit it. Under Biden who is another failure again high gas, high inflation. Face it Democrat policies are terrible. I'll take an orange tint, falsely convicted felon over a know nothing, haven't done anything cackling mouthpiece anyday.

Excellent economy by everyone except you. Feel free to read all about it including a cool chart. And remember the hole you people put him in right off the bat…the Great BushCo. Recession.

www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/


Trump requested and got a 13% cutback in domestic oil production and an additional chunk from his dear friend Putin and MBS the Saudi Butcher. So when COVID mandates ended and gasoline demand returned to normal guess what? A person as incredibly intelligent as you must have at least a rudimentary understanding of the S&D Curve. Throw in his $2 trillion in stimulus spending and even you should be able to find correlation with inflation. Do I even need to mention his jobs record?

Historically the economy has always done better under Demos, just to let you know. But as someone that believes Trump was falsely accused it’s possible that reality will escape you.

In the meantime, I’m going to ignore your childish insult of VP Harris and her sense of humor.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Last time I saw gas below $2.50 was under George W.  So does that make it Republican's fault I haven't seen gas for less than $2/gallon in decades? 

[thyme4change]

Oct 17, 2024 19:48:58 GMT -5 empress of self-improvement said:

Oct 17, 2024 9:33:23 GMT -5 azucena said:

And their stupidity. It's a legit triple threat.

Thank you! I was coming here to say stupidity as well. My God but I feel like a Mensa-level genius when I read some of the stupidity that Trumpers unleash. I have a couple of cousins who think he is the second coming of Christ. I think the chemicals in the wastewater plants they work in have affected them somehow.

A friend posted a false news story from the NY Post. I told her to get better sources because the story was bullshit. Her husband came to her defense by posting 2 more stories from the NY Post. 🙄

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 14:53:51 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

People like scgal with no understanding of economics use gas prices as an argument about a sitting President. 

ken, i hate to say this, but she might be in the majority.

here are crude oil prices.  some of you will recognize this chart as quite similar to gas prices:


fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DCOILWTICO

note: if our resources were publicly owned and managed, we could pay a fixed price for gas.  it is because we are a capitalist society that we allow this.  yet rather than complaining about the source of the problem (capitalism) we complain about the result of the problem (fluctuating prices), and at the same time, we complain about socialism, which if we really had it for fuel, would eliminate the problem.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 15:27:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 17, 2024 19:48:58 GMT -5 empress of self-improvement said:

Thank you! I was coming here to say stupidity as well. My God but I feel like a Mensa-level genius when I read some of the stupidity that Trumpers unleash. I have a couple of cousins who think he is the second coming of Christ. I think the chemicals in the wastewater plants they work in have affected them somehow.

A friend posted a false news story from the NY Post. I told her to get better sources because the story was bullshit. Her husband came to her defense by posting 2 more stories from the NY Post. 🙄

i love it.  three mountains of bullshit equals the truth.

[pulmonarymd]

I see regular gas for $2.99/gallon here, where we have traditionally had above average gas prices. But scgal can’t even read if she thinks gas prices are high. But I would like to have her or the other conservatives explain to me how a president controls gas prices, because that appears to be a belief of theirs, since they complain about it incessantly. Also, how that is any indication of the health of the economy.

[tallguy]

Oct 18, 2024 15:33:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 18, 2024 15:27:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

A friend posted a false news story from the NY Post. I told her to get better sources because the story was bullshit. Her husband came to her defense by posting 2 more stories from the NY Post. 🙄

i love it.  three mountains of bullshit equals the truth.

What is truly sad is that for most conservatives, and ALL Trump supporters, one is sufficient.  Three is just confirmation.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 18, 2024 15:27:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 17, 2024 19:48:58 GMT -5 empress of self-improvement said:

Thank you! I was coming here to say stupidity as well. My God but I feel like a Mensa-level genius when I read some of the stupidity that Trumpers unleash. I have a couple of cousins who think he is the second coming of Christ. I think the chemicals in the wastewater plants they work in have affected them somehow.

A friend posted a false news story from the NY Post. I told her to get better sources because the story was bullshit. Her husband came to her defense by posting 2 more stories from the NY Post. 🙄

New York Post is considered a tabloid. It's owned by News Corp whose founder is Rupert Murdoch, a major trump supporter.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 15:51:34 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I see regular gas for $2.99/gallon here, where we have traditionally had above average gas prices. But scgal can’t even read if she thinks gas prices are high. But I would like to have her or the other conservatives explain to me how a president controls gas prices, because that appears to be a belief of theirs, since they complain about it incessantly. Also, how that is any indication of the health of the economy.

by nationalizing the oil industry and fixing prices.

other than that, he or she doesn't.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 16:11:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 18, 2024 15:27:50 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

A friend posted a false news story from the NY Post. I told her to get better sources because the story was bullshit. Her husband came to her defense by posting 2 more stories from the NY Post. 🙄

New York Post is considered a tabloid. It's owned by News Corp whose founder is Rupert Murdoch, a major trump supporter.

i am sure thyme knows that.  she doesn't consider it a reliable source.

neither do i.

[seriousthistime]

And gas prices have a direct impact on all other prices because just about everything moves from manufacturer/producer to consumer via truck.  

[scgal]

Oct 18, 2024 14:01:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 18, 2024 13:45:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Excellent economy by whom....2016 was the only year where gas didn't have an Ave over 3.00 gal. Trump never hit it. Under Biden who is another failure again high gas, high inflation. Face it Democrat policies are terrible. I'll take an orange tint, falsely convicted felon over a know nothing, haven't done anything cackling mouthpiece anyday.

i can't understand why anyone would vote for our undoing over cheap gas.  but maybe it is just me.  and there is nothing false about his conviction.  if there were, it would certainly be overturned.

you seem to be backpedaling, scgal .  that is discouraging.

Because this is what Americans see this is where it is felt if the gas prices are high so are just about everything we buy. The president may not control the gas price but it has been cheaper under Bush than Obama and cheaper under Trump than Obama and Biden. Not backpedaling at all I said I would be ok with the outcome of Trumps hearing that doesn't mean I think it should have ever been. BTW I was also referring to the document case that is the only one where I think the line has been crossed.

[scgal]

Oct 18, 2024 15:02:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Last time I saw gas below $2.50 was under George W.  So does that make it Republican's fault I haven't seen gas for less than $2/gallon in decades? 

I seen it as low as 1.85 under Trump. In 2000 when I moved here we were filling up at .79 gal

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 18:58:46 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 14:01:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i can't understand why anyone would vote for our undoing over cheap gas.  but maybe it is just me.  and there is nothing false about his conviction.  if there were, it would certainly be overturned.

you seem to be backpedaling, scgal .  that is discouraging.

Because this is what Americans see this is where it is felt if the gas prices are high so are just about everything we buy. The president may not control the gas price but it has been cheaper under Bush than Obama and cheaper under Trump than Obama and Biden. Not backpedaling at all I said I would be ok with the outcome of Trumps hearing that doesn't mean I think it should have ever been. BTW I was also referring to the document case that is the only one where I think the line has been crossed.

right, i get that.  i already said i don't like high gas prices.  my point is that it would be a shame if Americans lost perspective over that.  because, frankly, it is nothing in terms of household budgeting.  we are talking about, at most, $500/year.  most people spend more than that on cable, probably.  what is the REAL problem is that wages are not keeping up with inflation.  is that Biden's fault, too?

as to the document case, it is on hold right now, so there is nothing to discuss atm.  

[dondubble]

Oct 18, 2024 18:58:46 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 14:01:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i can't understand why anyone would vote for our undoing over cheap gas.  but maybe it is just me.  and there is nothing false about his conviction.  if there were, it would certainly be overturned.

you seem to be backpedaling, scgal .  that is discouraging.

Because this is what Americans see this is where it is felt if the gas prices are high so are just about everything we buy. The president may not control the gas price but it has been cheaper under Bush than Obama and cheaper under Trump than Obama and Biden. Not backpedaling at all I said I would be ok with the outcome of Trumps hearing that doesn't mean I think it should have ever been. BTW I was also referring to the document case that is the only one where I think the line has been crossed.

Facts are funny things. Gas peaked under W at over $4/gal. Adjust that for inflation and I dare say the highest price this century.

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/25/facebook-posts/gas-prices-peaked-under-bush-they-dont-correlate-w/

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 19:00:01 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 15:02:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Last time I saw gas below $2.50 was under George W.  So does that make it Republican's fault I haven't seen gas for less than $2/gallon in decades? 

I seen it as low as 1.85 under Trump. In 2000 when I moved here we were filling up at .79 gal

during the pandemic, oil futures went NEGATIVE.  this has never happened during the history of oil futures.  it meant, essentially, that all bets were off on oil pricing.  the national average for gas (wholesale) is $2.00 right now.  this is the lowest it has been since (approximately) when Biden entered office.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 18, 2024 16:48:46 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 18, 2024 16:11:17 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

New York Post is considered a tabloid. It's owned by News Corp whose founder is Rupert Murdoch, a major trump supporter.

i am sure thyme knows that.  she doesn't consider it a reliable source.

neither do i.

True. But posters like scgal and ripvanwinkle don't know that. Just the other day, Rip posted a story from CBSAustin which omitted a key part from Kamala Harris's website. It read:

“Vice President Harris is laying out an agenda to give Black men the tools to build wealth and achieve financial freedom, lower costs for themselves and their families, and protect their rights—addressing the issues that Black men across the country have told her are their top concerns,” the campaign wrote.

Harris promises 1 million forgivable loans for Black businesses

CBSAustin possibly wanted to make Harris look like she was discriminating against members of other races.

But Harris's website stated:

Provide 1 million forgivable loans up to $20,000 to Black entrepreneurs and others who have a good idea but don’t have the resources, connections, or access to capital to get their business off the ground

KAMALA HARRIS WILL DELIVER FOR BLACK MEN

Other news sources published and mentioned 'Black entrepreneurs and others' like Harris did earlier in the day than CBSAustin did.

CBSAustin is owned by Sinclair Broadcast Group, well known for their conservative positions and views.

[thyme4change]

Is there a white paper out there that would explain to me the reasoning behind tariffs reducing inflation? I doubt I will agree with it, just like trickle down is voodoo- but I get their theory they sold. What is the theory behind the tariffs? Is there an economist out there that supports it?

[billisonboard]

The Upside of High Gasoline Prices (Yes, they do exist)

No one likes high gas prices. But gas prices have long been too low. Let me explain: When you drive you contribute to traffic congestion, pollute the air, and at times contribute to safety risks and noise pollution. None of that is reflected in the cost of driving. Economists call these externalities – side effects of driving that are unpriced. Put simply, we have too much traffic congestion, too much air pollution, too many cars traveling too fast or too near sidewalks or bike lanes, and too much traffic noise. We all value our cars – I do too – but driving does not reflect those harms, and when something is underpriced, we get too much.

[tallguy]

Oct 18, 2024 19:32:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 18, 2024 16:48:46 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i am sure thyme knows that.  she doesn't consider it a reliable source.

neither do i.

True. But posters like scgal and ripvanwinkle don't know that. Just the other day, Rip posted a story from CBSAustin which omitted a key part from Kamala Harris's website. It read:

“Vice President Harris is laying out an agenda to give Black men the tools to build wealth and achieve financial freedom, lower costs for themselves and their families, and protect their rights—addressing the issues that Black men across the country have told her are their top concerns,” the campaign wrote.

Harris promises 1 million forgivable loans for Black businesses

CBSAustin possibly wanted to make Harris look like she was discriminating against members of other races.

But Harris's website stated:

Provide 1 million forgivable loans up to $20,000 to Black entrepreneurs and others who have a good idea but don’t have the resources, connections, or access to capital to get their business off the ground

KAMALA HARRIS WILL DELIVER FOR BLACK MEN

Other news sources published and mentioned 'Black entrepreneurs and others' like Harris did earlier in the day than CBSAustin did.

CBSAustin is owned by Sinclair Broadcast Group, well known for their conservative positions and views.

There is a Sinclair station in Seattle.  I absolutely refuse to ever watch their news programs or any of their station-produced "commentaries" or features.  Sinclair is the group that produced biased right-wing editorial commentary back at their headquarters and compelled all of their local stations around the country to run those segments.  Many on-air and management personnel at those stations either left or were fired rather than comply.  Other stations have had their newsrooms shut down because much of the staff was laid off.  Sinclair is a propaganda organization much more than a news organization.