Trump gave Putin Covid test machines

[dondubble]

Oct 18, 2024 19:33:15 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Is there a white paper out there that would explain to me the reasoning behind tariffs reducing inflation? I doubt I will agree with it, just like trickle down is voodoo- but I get their theory they sold. What is the theory behind the tariffs? Is there an economist out there that supports it?

Tariffs will raise the cost to the purchasing companies here in the US. Those higher prices will be passed on to the end consumer. Inflationary.

Deporting 5,10, 15 million illegals will cause a labor shortage and a lowered GDP. Should create higher wages. Inflationary. But possible stagflation.

Trump tax cuts for the billionaires and companies that don’t need it will jack our debt trillions more.

SCgal…Trump…good. Harris…bad. Debt…no big deal And the undying belief all of that is good for America.

[tallguy]

You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe anything that Trump says.  Either that, or you are willingly complicit in the spread of lies and don't care that they are lies.  There aren't really any other possibilities.

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 18, 2024 18:58:46 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 14:01:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i can't understand why anyone would vote for our undoing over cheap gas.  but maybe it is just me.  and there is nothing false about his conviction.  if there were, it would certainly be overturned.

you seem to be backpedaling, scgal .  that is discouraging.

Because this is what Americans see this is where it is felt if the gas prices are high so are just about everything we buy. The president may not control the gas price but it has been cheaper under Bush than Obama and cheaper under Trump than Obama and Biden. Not backpedaling at all I said I would be ok with the outcome of Trumps hearing that doesn't mean I think it should have ever been. BTW I was also referring to the document case that is the only one where I think the line has been crossed.

So again, if presidents have no control of gas prices, why the hell do you just harp on it. And how do gas prices prove the state of the economy.

Going by how Trump kept harping on the stock market when he was president, given where it is right now, we have the best economy we ever had. Notice how he says nothing about the stock market now? The stock market says more about economy than gas prices, but the president controls neither. But conservatives are too stupid to understand that. And gas prices were so low under Trump because we were in the middle of a pandemic. Life was great then! And Trump bungled that so badly that over a million people died. But you don’t believe that fact either

[dondubble]

Oct 18, 2024 20:55:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Oct 18, 2024 18:58:46 GMT -5 scgal said:

Because this is what Americans see this is where it is felt if the gas prices are high so are just about everything we buy. The president may not control the gas price but it has been cheaper under Bush than Obama and cheaper under Trump than Obama and Biden. Not backpedaling at all I said I would be ok with the outcome of Trumps hearing that doesn't mean I think it should have ever been. BTW I was also referring to the document case that is the only one where I think the line has been crossed.

So again, if presidents have no control of gas prices, why the hell do you just harp on it. And how do gas prices prove the state of the economy.

Going by how Trump kept harping on the stock market when he was president, given where it is right now, we have the best economy we ever had. Notice how he says nothing about the stock market now? The stock market says more about economy than gas prices, but the president controls neither. But conservatives are too stupid to understand that. And gas prices were so low under Trump because we were in the middle of a pandemic. Life was great then! And Trump bungled that so badly that over a million people died. But you don’t believe that fact either

She is not wedded to truth and realit but has plenty of hate and anger for her fellow Americans.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 18, 2024 20:44:38 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Oct 18, 2024 19:33:15 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Is there a white paper out there that would explain to me the reasoning behind tariffs reducing inflation? I doubt I will agree with it, just like trickle down is voodoo- but I get their theory they sold. What is the theory behind the tariffs? Is there an economist out there that supports it?

Tariffs will raise the cost to the purchasing companies here in the US. Those higher prices will be passed on to the end consumer. Inflationary.

Deporting 5,10, 15 million illegals will cause a labor shortage and a lowered GDP. Should create higher wages. Inflationary. But possible stagflation.

Trump tax cuts for the billionaires and companies that don’t need it will jack our debt trillions more.

SCgal…Trump…good. Harris…bad. Debt…no big deal And the undying belief all of that is good for America.

it also reduces free capital in the system, which tends to favor lower employment and lower economic growth.

[scgal]

Oct 18, 2024 20:55:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Oct 18, 2024 18:58:46 GMT -5 scgal said:

Because this is what Americans see this is where it is felt if the gas prices are high so are just about everything we buy. The president may not control the gas price but it has been cheaper under Bush than Obama and cheaper under Trump than Obama and Biden. Not backpedaling at all I said I would be ok with the outcome of Trumps hearing that doesn't mean I think it should have ever been. BTW I was also referring to the document case that is the only one where I think the line has been crossed.

So again, if presidents have no control of gas prices, why the hell do you just harp on it. And how do gas prices prove the state of the economy.

Going by how Trump kept harping on the stock market when he was president, given where it is right now, we have the best economy we ever had. Notice how he says nothing about the stock market now? The stock market says more about economy than gas prices, but the president controls neither. But conservatives are too stupid to understand that. And gas prices were so low under Trump because we were in the middle of a pandemic. Life was great then! And Trump bungled that so badly that over a million people died. But you don’t believe that fact either

You are incorrect. I didn't say presidents didn't have control over gas prices I said they may not. Gas prices under Trump were not so low due to the MIDDLE of a pandemic. The pandemic was near the end of his term. Its funny tho how gas prices are generally lower under Republican presidents than democrat 

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 19, 2024 6:01:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 20:55:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

So again, if presidents have no control of gas prices, why the hell do you just harp on it. And how do gas prices prove the state of the economy.

Going by how Trump kept harping on the stock market when he was president, given where it is right now, we have the best economy we ever had. Notice how he says nothing about the stock market now? The stock market says more about economy than gas prices, but the president controls neither. But conservatives are too stupid to understand that. And gas prices were so low under Trump because we were in the middle of a pandemic. Life was great then! And Trump bungled that so badly that over a million people died. But you don’t believe that fact either

You are incorrect. I didn't say presidents didn't have control over gas prices I said they may not. Gas prices under Trump were not so low due to the MIDDLE of a pandemic. The pandemic was near the end of his term. Its funny tho how gas prices are generally lower under Republican presidents than democrat 

How does a president control gas prices? And how does that say anything about the strength of the economy? You refuse to answer the question. If you can’t answer it, it is just another of your hundreds of uninformed opinions.

FYI, gas prices are usually the lowest during a recession due to decreased demand. You learn this in introductory economics. So I guess we were in a recession during Trumps term

[scgal]

Oct 18, 2024 19:05:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 18, 2024 18:58:46 GMT -5 scgal said:

Because this is what Americans see this is where it is felt if the gas prices are high so are just about everything we buy. The president may not control the gas price but it has been cheaper under Bush than Obama and cheaper under Trump than Obama and Biden. Not backpedaling at all I said I would be ok with the outcome of Trumps hearing that doesn't mean I think it should have ever been. BTW I was also referring to the document case that is the only one where I think the line has been crossed.

right, i get that.  i already said i don't like high gas prices.  my point is that it would be a shame if Americans lost perspective over that.  because, frankly, it is nothing in terms of household budgeting.  we are talking about, at most, $500/year.  most people spend more than that on cable, probably.  what is the REAL problem is that wages are not keeping up with inflation.  is that Biden's fault, too?

as to the document case, it is on hold right now, so there is nothing to discuss atm.  

sure it means a lot not just $500. It shows America lives better under a Republican than under a democrat. This is what people see and actually it is a lot more than $500. People who actually have to use their cars more than 250 miles a week see a huge difference between 3.50 a gal and 2.25 gal when you are buying 300 gal a month which is what my husband and I average. Wages are a set to supply and demand.

[scgal]

Oct 19, 2024 6:06:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Oct 19, 2024 6:01:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

You are incorrect. I didn't say presidents didn't have control over gas prices I said they may not. Gas prices under Trump were not so low due to the MIDDLE of a pandemic. The pandemic was near the end of his term. Its funny tho how gas prices are generally lower under Republican presidents than democrat 

How does a president control gas prices? And how does that say anything about the strength of the economy? You refuse to answer the question. If you can’t answer it, it is just another of your hundreds of uninformed opinions.

FYI, gas prices are usually the lowest during a recession due to decreased demand. You learn this in introductory economics. So I guess we were in a recession during Trumps term

You still don't get it. Telling everyone that we have a strong economy while people struggle is about as stupid as one can be welI Democrats anyway. All people hear is oh it is better you vote this way or that way at least under Republican leadership they actually see and feel the difference at the grocery store the gas pump and other purchases. It is something they can see and feel it doesn't really affect most on this board but working class people Yea it makes a big difference. I don't have to answer any questions the proof is there life is better under republicans

[scgal]

Oct 18, 2024 20:44:38 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Oct 18, 2024 19:33:15 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Is there a white paper out there that would explain to me the reasoning behind tariffs reducing inflation? I doubt I will agree with it, just like trickle down is voodoo- but I get their theory they sold. What is the theory behind the tariffs? Is there an economist out there that supports it?

Tariffs will raise the cost to the purchasing companies here in the US. Those higher prices will be passed on to the end consumer. Inflationary.

Deporting 5,10, 15 million illegals will cause a labor shortage and a lowered GDP. Should create higher wages. Inflationary. But possible stagflation.

Trump tax cuts for the billionaires and companies that don’t need it will jack our debt trillions more.

SCgal…Trump…good. Harris…bad. Debt…no big deal And the undying belief all of that is good for America.

Then why do Democrats love them like Republicans do. The last time I checked Biden has been in office since 2020 he could have cancelled Trumps tarrifs but didn't. Life is better under Republicans 

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 19, 2024 6:17:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 19, 2024 6:06:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

How does a president control gas prices? And how does that say anything about the strength of the economy? You refuse to answer the question. If you can’t answer it, it is just another of your hundreds of uninformed opinions.

FYI, gas prices are usually the lowest during a recession due to decreased demand. You learn this in introductory economics. So I guess we were in a recession during Trumps term

You still don't get it. Telling everyone that we have a strong economy while people struggle is about as stupid as one can be welI Democrats anyway. All people hear is oh it is better you vote this way or that way at least under Republican leadership they actually see and feel the difference at the grocery store the gas pump and other purchases. It is something they can see and feel it doesn't really affect most on this board but working class people Yea it makes a big difference. I don't have to answer any questions the proof is there life is better under republicans

If a president doesn’t control gas prices, then using it as an example as to what will be better under Trump is stupid. Which is not surprising coming from Trump supporters given their uninformed opinions. Gas prices in the US are lower than most other competitors. Inflation in the US is lower than the EU. Gas prices are lower too. But you refuse to accept that. What policies is Trump going to enact to make this better. His tariffs will exacerbate inflation. Cutting taxes will balloon the deficit. Please tell us how he will make it better.

Refusing to tell us just makes us not take anything you say seriously. If you want to persuade us that things will be better, explaining your thinking goes a long way. But iou spout nonsense and are just here to troll

[thyme4change]

Oct 18, 2024 20:44:38 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Oct 18, 2024 19:33:15 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Is there a white paper out there that would explain to me the reasoning behind tariffs reducing inflation? I doubt I will agree with it, just like trickle down is voodoo- but I get their theory they sold. What is the theory behind the tariffs? Is there an economist out there that supports it?

Tariffs will raise the cost to the purchasing companies here in the US. Those higher prices will be passed on to the end consumer. Inflationary.

Deporting 5,10, 15 million illegals will cause a labor shortage and a lowered GDP. Should create higher wages. Inflationary. But possible stagflation.

Trump tax cuts for the billionaires and companies that don’t need it will jack our debt trillions more.

SCgal…Trump…good. Harris…bad. Debt…no big deal And the undying belief all of that is good for America.

Not what I asked. I agree with your assessment- I am looking for a real explanation of the opposite view.

[billisonboard]

I sincerely wish I could engage in a meaningful policy debate, but at the end of the day for me, it comes down to the question of whether or not we return Donald J Trump to power. IM(not so)HO, that is a very bad idea. That is based on my personal analysis backed up well by many insiders from his previous administration.

[dondubble]

Oct 19, 2024 6:17:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 19, 2024 6:06:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

How does a president control gas prices? And how does that say anything about the strength of the economy? You refuse to answer the question. If you can’t answer it, it is just another of your hundreds of uninformed opinions.

FYI, gas prices are usually the lowest during a recession due to decreased demand. You learn this in introductory economics. So I guess we were in a recession during Trumps term

You still don't get it. Telling everyone that we have a strong economy while people struggle is about as stupid as one can be welI Democrats anyway. All people hear is oh it is better you vote this way or that way at least under Republican leadership they actually see and feel the difference at the grocery store the gas pump and other purchases. It is something they can see and feel it doesn't really affect most on this board but working class people Yea it makes a big difference. I don't have to answer any questions the proof is there life is better under republicans

We have the best economy in the world right now. No other country is even close.

[thyme4change]

Oct 19, 2024 6:17:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 19, 2024 6:06:14 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

How does a president control gas prices? And how does that say anything about the strength of the economy? You refuse to answer the question. If you can’t answer it, it is just another of your hundreds of uninformed opinions.

FYI, gas prices are usually the lowest during a recession due to decreased demand. You learn this in introductory economics. So I guess we were in a recession during Trumps term

You still don't get it. Telling everyone that we have a strong economy while people struggle is about as stupid as one can be welI Democrats anyway. All people hear is oh it is better you vote this way or that way at least under Republican leadership they actually see and feel the difference at the grocery store the gas pump and other purchases. It is something they can see and feel it doesn't really affect most on this board but working class people Yea it makes a big difference. I don't have to answer any questions the proof is there life is better under republicans

People will always be struggling. If you are the party in power, you focus on the people doing well. If you are not the party in power you focus on the struggle.

I do not understand Trump’s plan to reduce inflation, improve healthcare or increase affordable housing. He has nothing in his policies that would increase wages or make working conditions better. If he gets back in office, he will cut regulations on businesses and cut taxes on the wealthy, and then he will brag that the stock market has never been higher. Inflation has slowed already, so if the subject comes up he will take credit for that and no one will talk about the cost of living until the next election.

Remember when the GOP was freaking the fuck out about the debt, and then Trump was elected and only made things worse, yet absolutely no Republican even mentioned it. It is like they never really cared about the debt at all.

[dondubble]

Oct 19, 2024 13:39:48 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 19, 2024 6:17:43 GMT -5 scgal said:

You still don't get it. Telling everyone that we have a strong economy while people struggle is about as stupid as one can be welI Democrats anyway. All people hear is oh it is better you vote this way or that way at least under Republican leadership they actually see and feel the difference at the grocery store the gas pump and other purchases. It is something they can see and feel it doesn't really affect most on this board but working class people Yea it makes a big difference. I don't have to answer any questions the proof is there life is better under republicans

People will always be struggling. If you are the party in power, you focus on the people doing well. If you are not the party in power you focus on the struggle.

I do not understand Trump’s plan to reduce inflation, improve healthcare or increase affordable housing. He has nothing in his policies that would increase wages or make working conditions better. If he gets back in office, he will cut regulations on businesses and cut taxes on the wealthy, and then he will brag that the stock market has never been higher. Inflation has slowed already, so if the subject comes up he will take credit for that and no one will talk about the cost of living until the next election.

Remember when the GOP was freaking the fuck out about the debt, and then Trump was elected and only made things worse, yet absolutely no Republican even mentioned it. It is like they never really cared about the debt at all.

They have always been phony hypocrites on govt. debt.

[NastyWoman]

Oct 18, 2024 15:02:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Last time I saw gas below $2.50 was under George W.  So does that make it Republican's fault I haven't seen gas for less than $2/gallon in decades? 

I think it was below $2.50 for a really short time in the early days of Covid. Not that I benefited from it at all. I used all of half a tank of gas during that first year - I had just filled up my car on March 12th (we got sent home on Friday the 13th) and, at the urging of my friends with "gas goes bad stuff", did it again a year later. I barely needed half a tank. Still I did see that lower price during the newscasts

[djAdvocate]

Oct 19, 2024 6:11:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 18, 2024 19:05:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

right, i get that.  i already said i don't like high gas prices.  my point is that it would be a shame if Americans lost perspective over that.  because, frankly, it is nothing in terms of household budgeting.  we are talking about, at most, $500/year.  most people spend more than that on cable, probably.  what is the REAL problem is that wages are not keeping up with inflation.  is that Biden's fault, too?

as to the document case, it is on hold right now, so there is nothing to discuss atm.  

sure it means a lot not just $500. It shows America lives better under a Republican than under a democrat. 

really?  by what standard?  let's just examine the economic record.

since 1989, 98% of American job creation has happened under Democratic presidents.

since 1933, economic growth under Democrats has been nearly 2x that of the GOP (4.6% -vs- 2.4%).

you ended this reply with a statement about supply and demand.  when gas was $1.85/gallon, demand was essentially zero, and supply was 100%.  so, yes, supply and demand has a heavy influence on commodity markets in particular.  that is because they are close to "perfect markets" where external forces such as price fixing don't come into play.

as dondub pointed out, gasoline prices have not kept up with inflation for a LONG time.  Gasoline prices peaked in June 2008, and went on a 12 year downtrend that ended in 2020.  Under Obama, gas went from $3.10/gallon in South Carolina to $2.13/gallon.  so before we continue this discussion about gas prices, i would like you to publicly thank Obama for saving South Carolinians $300/month in gas (using your numbers).  otherwise, you are playing politics with gas prices.

[djAdvocate]

PS- that gas number is utterly insane. i drive a LOT, and spend less than $300/month on gas. i used my numbers because i thought that was a lot to spend. the average number of miles driven per year in the US is 13,500. the average gas mileage per car is 33mpg. that equates to 400 gallons per year. at $4/gallon, that is $1,600, which is $133/month. gas prices are up 80 cents under Biden in South Carolina. using 400 gallons per year, that is $320, so i was indeed being conservative, which is my nature.

your example of someone using 300 gallons a month is an outlier. and yes, i would expect that person to be deeply concerned about excess gas prices. the MAJORITY of the rest of us, however, spend more money on cable. in fact, the average American spends more money on beer than that.

i appreciate the gas lighting, though. it keeps me honest. i am glad that my back of the napkin guess was conservative. i will continue making it.

[thyme4change]

Oct 19, 2024 19:19:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

PS- that gas number is utterly insane. i drive a LOT, and spend less than $300/month on gas. i used my numbers because i thought that was a lot to spend. the average number of miles driven per year in the US is 13,500. the average gas mileage per car is 33mpg. that equates to 400 gallons per year. at $4/gallon, that is $1,600, which is $133/month. gas prices are up 80 cents under Biden in South Carolina. using 400 gallons per year, that is $320, so i was indeed being conservative, which is my nature.

your example of someone using 300 gallons a month is an outlier. and yes, i would expect that person to be deeply concerned about gas prices. the MAJORITY of the rest of us, however, spend more money on cable. in fact, the average American spends more money on beer than gas.

i appreciate the gas lighting, though. it keeps me honest. i am glad that my back of the napkin guess was conservative. i will continue making it.

300 gallons a month would be someone who is making money on it - truckers, delivery, taxi, etc. Basically driving 40 hours a week, all week every week in a vehicle that doesn’t get great mileage. Given how many people make their money doing Uber, door dash and Amazon delivery - I don’t think we can eliminate those people from the conversation.

As an EV driver, I don’t know how much gas is. What is a reasonable price for gas and what is too much? And what is a ridiculous request number. And, what state are we talking about? Taxes are not insignificant.

[tallguy]

One cannot expect reason from someone incapable of using reason, or unwilling to live within the constraints of reason.  

[djAdvocate]

Oct 19, 2024 19:37:40 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 19, 2024 19:19:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

PS- that gas number is utterly insane. i drive a LOT, and spend less than $300/month on gas. i used my numbers because i thought that was a lot to spend. the average number of miles driven per year in the US is 13,500. the average gas mileage per car is 33mpg. that equates to 400 gallons per year. at $4/gallon, that is $1,600, which is $133/month. gas prices are up 80 cents under Biden in South Carolina. using 400 gallons per year, that is $320, so i was indeed being conservative, which is my nature.

your example of someone using 300 gallons a month is an outlier. and yes, i would expect that person to be deeply concerned about gas prices. the MAJORITY of the rest of us, however, spend more money on cable. in fact, the average American spends more money on beer than gas.

i appreciate the gas lighting, though. it keeps me honest. i am glad that my back of the napkin guess was conservative. i will continue making it.

300 gallons a month would be someone who is making money on it - truckers, delivery, taxi, etc. Basically driving 40 hours a week, all week every week in a vehicle that doesn’t get great mileage. Given how many people make their money doing Uber, door dash and Amazon delivery - I don’t think we can eliminate those people from the conversation.

As an EV driver, I don’t know how much gas is. What is a reasonable price for gas and what is too much? And what is a ridiculous request number. And, what state are we talking about? Taxes are not insignificant.

300 gallons a month would be 5000-10000 miles per month of driving.  at 50 miles per hour, that is 100-200 hours per month of driving.  so, yes, this is at a minimum, a part time job.  so, yes, that would also mean that this is part of a business, and therefore part of the cost of doing business (probably one that can be passed on to customers in the form of a fuel surcharge).

i am starting to think even less of the gas argument against Biden than i did before this week.  and i didn't think much of it, then.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 19, 2024 19:44:58 GMT -5 tallguy said:

One cannot expect reason from someone incapable of using reason, or unwilling to live within the constraints of reason.  

we are fortunate to live in a place where making these simple calculations is easy, because the data is right there.  it is one of the things i like about America.

[pulmonarymd]

For my car, I get about 30-40 gallons a month. So a 50 cent increase in gas prices, it is about $20 a month. If that breaks the bank, you need to, as conservatives always tell people, to either get a better job or work harder. The complaints about gas prices is nuts.

[scgal]

Oct 20, 2024 9:01:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 19, 2024 19:37:40 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

300 gallons a month would be someone who is making money on it - truckers, delivery, taxi, etc. Basically driving 40 hours a week, all week every week in a vehicle that doesn’t get great mileage. Given how many people make their money doing Uber, door dash and Amazon delivery - I don’t think we can eliminate those people from the conversation.

As an EV driver, I don’t know how much gas is. What is a reasonable price for gas and what is too much? And what is a ridiculous request number. And, what state are we talking about? Taxes are not insignificant.

300 gallons a month would be 5000-10000 miles per month of driving.  at 50 miles per hour, that is 100-200 hours per month of driving.  so, yes, this is at a minimum, a part time job.  so, yes, that would also mean that this is part of a business, and therefore part of the cost of doing business (probably one that can be passed on to customers in the form of a fuel surcharge).

i am starting to think even less of the gas argument against Biden than i did before this week.  and i didn't think much of it, then.

You are pretty close. I don't know very many people who drive cars here most have suv, and trucks. We (husband and I) drive anywhere between 5500 and 8000 miles a month hell a couple of years ago I was driving about 75k a year. I don't drive small veichles or an ev I like a big truck both of our auto don't get more than 18 mpg and most of the time its around 15. This is very common around rural areas. We don't do EV we don't do foreign small cars. We like our gas / diesel guzzling autos and will vote accordingling 

[scgal]

Oct 19, 2024 19:07:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 19, 2024 6:11:20 GMT -5 scgal said:

sure it means a lot not just $500. It shows America lives better under a Republican than under a democrat. 

really?  by what standard?  let's just examine the economic record.

since 1989, 98% of American job creation has happened under Democratic presidents.

since 1933, economic growth under Democrats has been nearly 2x that of the GOP (4.6% -vs- 2.4%).

you ended this reply with a statement about supply and demand.  when gas was $1.85/gallon, demand was essentially zero, and supply was 100%.  so, yes, supply and demand has a heavy influence on commodity markets in particular.  that is because they are close to "perfect markets" where external forces such as price fixing don't come into play.

as dondub pointed out, gasoline prices have not kept up with inflation for a LONG time.  Gasoline prices peaked in June 2008, and went on a 12 year downtrend that ended in 2020.  Under Obama, gas went from $3.10/gallon in South Carolina to $2.13/gallon.  so before we continue this discussion about gas prices, i would like you to publicly thank Obama for saving South Carolinians $300/month in gas (using your numbers).  otherwise, you are playing politics with gas prices.

This is just another area where data don't mean squat. People don't care about data when they feel the misery. As far as Obama the most of his time in office the gas was way over 2.13. 2.13 was the outlier

[djAdvocate]

Oct 20, 2024 10:12:57 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 20, 2024 9:01:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

300 gallons a month would be 5000-10000 miles per month of driving.  at 50 miles per hour, that is 100-200 hours per month of driving.  so, yes, this is at a minimum, a part time job.  so, yes, that would also mean that this is part of a business, and therefore part of the cost of doing business (probably one that can be passed on to customers in the form of a fuel surcharge).

i am starting to think even less of the gas argument against Biden than i did before this week.  and i didn't think much of it, then.

You are pretty close. I don't know very many people who drive cars here most have suv, and trucks. We (husband and I) drive anywhere between 5500 and 8000 miles a month hell a couple of years ago I was driving about 75k a year. I don't drive small veichles or an ev I like a big truck both of our auto don't get more than 18 mpg and most of the time its around 15. This is very common around rural areas. We don't do EV we don't do foreign small cars. We like our gas / diesel guzzling autos and will vote accordingling 

again, the average is 400 gallons per YEAR.  i realize that those numbers are skewed by the fact that half the population is urban.

do you mind me asking one follow up question?

if Biden/Harris had reduced gas prices 80 cents per gallon over Trump, would you be voting for her?

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 20, 2024 10:23:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 20, 2024 10:12:57 GMT -5 scgal said:

You are pretty close. I don't know very many people who drive cars here most have suv, and trucks. We (husband and I) drive anywhere between 5500 and 8000 miles a month hell a couple of years ago I was driving about 75k a year. I don't drive small veichles or an ev I like a big truck both of our auto don't get more than 18 mpg and most of the time its around 15. This is very common around rural areas. We don't do EV we don't do foreign small cars. We like our gas / diesel guzzling autos and will vote accordingling 

again, the average is 400 gallons per YEAR.  i realize that those numbers are skewed by the fact that half the population is urban.

do you mind me asking one follow up question?

if Biden/Harris had reduced gas prices 80 cents per gallon over Trump, would you be voting for her?

Are you kidding? She would just have another stupid complaint. Gas prices are just convenient as an issue for the uninformed.

[scgal]

Oct 20, 2024 10:23:28 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 20, 2024 10:12:57 GMT -5 scgal said:

You are pretty close. I don't know very many people who drive cars here most have suv, and trucks. We (husband and I) drive anywhere between 5500 and 8000 miles a month hell a couple of years ago I was driving about 75k a year. I don't drive small veichles or an ev I like a big truck both of our auto don't get more than 18 mpg and most of the time its around 15. This is very common around rural areas. We don't do EV we don't do foreign small cars. We like our gas / diesel guzzling autos and will vote accordingling 

again, the average is 400 gallons per YEAR.  i realize that those numbers are skewed by the fact that half the population is urban.

do you mind me asking one follow up question?

if Biden/Harris had reduced gas prices 80 cents per gallon over Trump, would you be voting for her?

Probably not but it would be a + for them. 
As far as the avg of 400 gal per year I haven't driven that little since I was in my teens. 
Interesting when you say the numbers are skewed since half the population is urban. Middle America is basically Republican states. 

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 20, 2024 10:12:57 GMT -5 scgal said:

Oct 20, 2024 9:01:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

300 gallons a month would be 5000-10000 miles per month of driving.  at 50 miles per hour, that is 100-200 hours per month of driving.  so, yes, this is at a minimum, a part time job.  so, yes, that would also mean that this is part of a business, and therefore part of the cost of doing business (probably one that can be passed on to customers in the form of a fuel surcharge).

i am starting to think even less of the gas argument against Biden than i did before this week.  and i didn't think much of it, then.

You are pretty close. I don't know very many people who drive cars here most have suv, and trucks. We (husband and I) drive anywhere between 5500 and 8000 miles a month hell a couple of years ago I was driving about 75k a year. I don't drive small veichles or an ev I like a big truck both of our auto don't get more than 18 mpg and most of the time it’s around 15. This is very common around rural areas. We don't do EV we don't do foreign small cars. We like our gas / diesel guzzling autos and will vote accordingling 

So, because you are a major outlier, you generalize it to everyone. When people complain about rents or taxes, the conservative reply is to move somewhere cheaper. So, in that vein, you could drive a car with better chassis mileage or an ev, or drive l SS. Funny how entitled you feel that you think you should have cheap gas so you can drive that much. Drive less and improve air quality.