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Post by billisonboard on Sept 23, 2024 7:53:06 GMT -5
i would agree with you if they had done it 30 days ago. the fact that they waited until Maine could NOT retaliate is theft, i think. they KNEW that they would lose more votes in Maine than they would gain in NE if they did this 30 days ago, so they waited. this is not the mere functioning of a democratic system, scgal . this is gaming the system to the advantage of the GOP. i would also point out that Democrats never do this kind of thing. and again, i think it is much to their detriment. Is it illegal? Is it ethically right? |
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Post by scgal on Sept 23, 2024 9:30:39 GMT -5
no one said anything about ethics. I said it couldn't be stealing or a heist because it is not illegal. Even if not ethically right it would not be considered stealing or a heist. So again is it legal or illegal |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 23, 2024 9:40:52 GMT -5
no one said anything about ethics. I said it couldn't be stealing or a heist because it is not illegal. Even if not ethically right it would not be considered stealing or a heist. So again is it legal or illegal I said something about ethics, so again, is it ethical? (I previously agreed it is legal.) |
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Post by scgal on Sept 23, 2024 10:47:23 GMT -5
no one said anything about ethics. I said it couldn't be stealing or a heist because it is not illegal. Even if not ethically right it would not be considered stealing or a heist. So again is it legal or illegal I said something about ethics, so again, is it ethical? (I previously agreed it is legal.) No well gray area at least. Both sides don't exactly partake in ethics |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2024 10:55:39 GMT -5
i would agree with you if they had done it 30 days ago. the fact that they waited until Maine could NOT retaliate is theft, i think. they KNEW that they would lose more votes in Maine than they would gain in NE if they did this 30 days ago, so they waited. this is not the mere functioning of a democratic system, scgal . this is gaming the system to the advantage of the GOP. i would also point out that Democrats never do this kind of thing. and again, i think it is much to their detriment. Is it illegal? is that the only standard you use to judge an action? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2024 10:57:08 GMT -5
no one said anything about ethics. let's call it cheating then. happy? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2024 10:58:08 GMT -5
I said something about ethics, so again, is it ethical? (I previously agreed it is legal.) No well gray area at least. Both sides don't exactly partake in ethics when have Democrats ever done anything similar? as i said before, i wish they would. i hold it against them. they are being cheated on. they should cheat. |
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Post by scgal on Sept 23, 2024 11:12:12 GMT -5
no one said anything about ethics. let's call it cheating then. happy? Is it against the rules? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2024 11:20:37 GMT -5
let's call it cheating then. happy? Is it against the rules? is that your only standard? i think much of what has been done in the last (8) years by the GOP is against the rules. for example, preventing Garland from reaching the Supreme Court was against the rules. when you say rules, you mean law. stick with that. |
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 23, 2024 11:20:47 GMT -5
You called it a gray area earlier but won't except any word but legal. Many have said legal but not appropriate on many levels. You just love to argue.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 23, 2024 11:24:18 GMT -5
She is happy it is being done when it is being done by her side. If the Democrats were the ones doing it they would scream to high heaven. And remember, she has defended the January 6 response by Trump because he did not come out and say to do it. She is a perfect example of concrete thinking.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2024 11:31:45 GMT -5
there are RULES (laws) and there are NORMS. in a civil society, we try to follow both. that makes us more free to occasionally bend the NORMS when the situation calls for it, without being punished for it.
this is not one of those situations, imo. if the GOP does this, they should get punished for it.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 23, 2024 11:35:25 GMT -5
Good example of McConnell, the GOP and trump only following the rules when they favor themselves.
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Post by scgal on Sept 23, 2024 12:54:00 GMT -5
is that your only standard? i think much of what has been done in the last (8) years by the GOP is against the rules. for example, preventing Garland from reaching the Supreme Court was against the rules. when you say rules, you mean law. stick with that. That is the point. People are saying its cheating clearly it is not it is stealing clearly it is not, it is against the rules clearly it is not. |
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Post by scgal on Sept 23, 2024 12:55:46 GMT -5
is that your only standard? i think much of what has been done in the last (8) years by the GOP is against the rules. for example, preventing Garland from reaching the Supreme Court was against the rules. when you say rules, you mean law. stick with that. What rule did that break? I'm curious |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 23, 2024 13:01:57 GMT -5
is that your only standard? i think much of what has been done in the last (8) years by the GOP is against the rules. for example, preventing Garland from reaching the Supreme Court was against the rules. when you say rules, you mean law. stick with that. That is the point. People are saying its cheating clearly it is not it is stealing clearly it is not, it is against the rules clearly it is not. I do get your point. People need to stop saying all those things. People in Nebraska and across the nation need to start saying "If the Republicans do this, I will not vote for any Republican." |
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Post by scgal on Sept 23, 2024 13:06:40 GMT -5
That is the point. People are saying its cheating clearly it is not it is stealing clearly it is not, it is against the rules clearly it is not. I do get your point. People need to stop saying all those things. People in Nebraska and across the nation need to start saying "If the Republicans do this, I will not vote for any Republican." That could be a direct result of it. I don't think it will happen but it may |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2024 14:10:18 GMT -5
is that your only standard? i think much of what has been done in the last (8) years by the GOP is against the rules. for example, preventing Garland from reaching the Supreme Court was against the rules. when you say rules, you mean law. stick with that. What rule did that break? I'm curious the rule that presidents are allowed to nominate justices during their term. that rule had been upheld through 44 presidencies. |
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Post by scgal on Sept 23, 2024 15:13:56 GMT -5
What rule did that break? I'm curious the rule that presidents are allowed to nominate justices during their term. that rule had been upheld through 44 presidencies. He did nominate him so what rule was broken? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 23, 2024 15:34:14 GMT -5
the rule that presidents are allowed to nominate justices during their term. that rule had been upheld through 44 presidencies. He did nominate him so what rule was broken? huh? we are having some sort of a misunderstanding. but furthermore, i am out of patience for this discussion. have a nice day. i mean that. no offense. Mondays are busy for me, and i can't take the time to digest all of this. |
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 23, 2024 16:38:09 GMT -5
Waiting for the all cap name calling post from Trump on social media about McDonnell. Also been waiting to hear him blast out Mike Johnson about not shutting down the government. He's sure to be mad by not getting his way!!! |
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 23, 2024 23:41:16 GMT -5
It is accepted that in the last decade we have discovered how much of our government was being run on norms and respect. Once those got thrown out the window, our country was in chaos.
McConnell stalling to not vote on the SCOTUS nominee was dirty pool - and he is a mother fucker for it.
Biden also could have expanded the court and stacked it full of liberal 22 year old justices - but because the retaliation would have continued to ratchet up and further harm the country, Biden did the right thing and stuck to norms and respect. That was admirable.
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Post by scgal on Sept 24, 2024 7:25:45 GMT -5
It is accepted that in the last decade we have discovered how much of our government was being run on norms and respect. Once those got thrown out the window, our country was in chaos. McConnell stalling to not vote on the SCOTUS nominee was dirty pool - and he is a mother fucker for it. Biden also could have expanded the court and stacked it full of liberal 22 year old justices - but because the retaliation would have continued to ratchet up and further harm the country, Biden did the right thing and stuck to norms and respect. That was admirable. I agree with you. Even with McConnell although I like the outcome with to me a better justice came of it. I wouldn't give Biden that much credit I'm sure it was on the 2nd term agenda, I believe if Kamala wins she will expand the court. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 24, 2024 7:41:30 GMT -5
Since you ar ebig on something being legal or not, is it illegal to pack the courts?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 24, 2024 7:43:58 GMT -5
It is accepted that in the last decade we have discovered how much of our government was being run on norms and respect. Once those got thrown out the window, our country was in chaos. McConnell stalling to not vote on the SCOTUS nominee was dirty pool - and he is a mother fucker for it. Biden also could have expanded the court and stacked it full of liberal 22 year old justices - but because the retaliation would have continued to ratchet up and further harm the country, Biden did the right thing and stuck to norms and respect. That was admirable. I agree with you. Even with McConnell although I like the outcome with to me a better justice came of it. I wouldn't give Biden that much credit I'm sure it was on the 2nd term agenda, I believe if Kamala wins she will expand the court. Expansion can only be done with Senate approval. Who knows, with all norms destroyed, whether that would happen. |
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