How Donold Trump will overthrow the 2024 Election

[mollyc]

Why is not being a rude asshole so tiring? That’s really what being politically correct is in the end.

I don’t get it.

[happyhoix]

Aug 26, 2024 22:43:17 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:48 GMT -5 scgal said:

Or we have have 45% of the country tired of the the progressive left bullshit this country sliding into. 

    Tired of trying to excuse debt for peoples poor educational choices

    Tired of normalizing transgenderism 

    Tired of convincing the people of the US that nationalism is bad 

    Tired blaming an object for deaths when it is a person fault (people are so fucking dumb on this one)

    Tired of helping other countries out with nothing in return 

    Tired of hearing about climate change 

    Tired of letting people in the country and wasting millions to take care of them

   So yea if someone is running for president and is against some or most of those things which would be against a democrat because they love all that shit. We don't care if they have been convicted of a felony the above mention is worse.

Well said SC. I'm tired also. And as probably the only other conservative on this board I'm with you. I"ll add a few other things to your list.

1. I'm tired of having to be politically correct.

2. I'm tired of liberals using euphemisms for things. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Calling it a merganser doesn't change anything. It's still a duck. Plain and simple.

3. I'm tired of the govt giving away tax dollars to persons who come into the US illegally or use the "asylum" excuse. They know if they say asylum they will be let in and given assistance. And a court date 5-7yrs in the future. How many are really going to show up?

Tired of being politically correct?

It’s just what you should have learned in elementary school. If you can’t say something nice keep your mouth shut. Keep your hands to yourself. Don’t make fun of people who are different from you.

If it’s tiring to follow those rules, go ahead and be an asshole. Shouldn’t be an issue until you piss off someone bigger than you, but that’s always been an occupational hazard for bullies.

[pulmonarymd]

Conservatives sure were butt hurt when Hilary called some of them a basket of deplorables. Accurate but not politically correct. They only want to be able to call others names. They sure are snowflakes when they are the ones on the receiving end. Led by their snowflake-in- chief, Trump

ETA: it is called manners, Rip. You just don’t like getting called out for your racism

[tbop77]

I've found that these people who excuse Trump's behavior and make a far fetched list of why they hate DEMS sit and listen to those far right pod cast, news stations, etc and have been told over and over again how bad it is.  I've seen up close and personal how angry and bitter they have become.  I used to have Rush on when I was running errands back in the day and that man couldn't sputter out venom fast enough.  I had Mark Levin on during my ride home and sometimes I really thought his head was going to explode.  Now, imagine listening to this day in and day out.  These people are radicalized and full of hate.  Like Trump, their childish behavior leads them to the point of hate anything bipartisan even if IT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.  

I wish they would all move to Italy!  

[pulmonarymd]

Italy doesn’t want them. They will not like how “woke” the EU is.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Aug 26, 2024 22:43:17 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:48 GMT -5 scgal said:

Or we have have 45% of the country tired of the the progressive left bullshit this country sliding into. 

    Tired of trying to excuse debt for peoples poor educational choices

    Tired of normalizing transgenderism 

    Tired of convincing the people of the US that nationalism is bad 

    Tired blaming an object for deaths when it is a person fault (people are so fucking dumb on this one)

    Tired of helping other countries out with nothing in return 

    Tired of hearing about climate change 

    Tired of letting people in the country and wasting millions to take care of them

   So yea if someone is running for president and is against some or most of those things which would be against a democrat because they love all that shit. We don't care if they have been convicted of a felony the above mention is worse.

Well said SC. I'm tired also. And as probably the only other conservative on this board I'm with you. I"ll add a few other things to your list.

1. I'm tired of having to be politically correct.

2. I'm tired of liberals using euphemisms for things. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Calling it a merganser doesn't change anything. It's still a duck. Plain and simple.

3. I'm tired of the govt giving away tax dollars to persons who come into the US illegally or use the "asylum" excuse. They know if they say asylum they will be let in and given assistance. And a court date 5-7yrs in the future. How many are really going to show up?

Tell me you want to be free to be a racist sexist homophobic xenophobic asshole and be proud of it without actually saying it.

[scgal]

Aug 26, 2024 22:57:24 GMT -5 Tiny said:

3. I'm tired of the govt giving away tax dollars to persons who come into the US illegally or use the "asylum" excuse. They know if they say asylum they will be let in and given assistance. And a court date 5-7yrs in the future. How many

How come we aren't getting these "illegal" immigrants "legal"? Apparently there are plenty of jobs avaiblable in America that Americans don't want to do. Looks like we got a pool of people who could be employed (and contributing via payroll taxes AND consumerism).

Why does it take 5 to 7 YEARS to get through the court system? Why does it take YEARS to become an American citizen? How come Melania Trump got fast tracked to citizenship but the non-American spouses of Americans have a much more difficult and longer path to citizenship? How come Melania had such an easy time getting citizenship for her parents? (I'm assuming neither Melania nor her parents had W2 income at any point.) Why?? Why is it so hard for regular people?? 

America is a consumer based economy.  Isn't America a mostly Capitalist country??   Why hasn't anyone figured out how to PROFIT from getting the immigrants citizenship and work and CONSUMING.   

Wouldn't that be a win win for Americans in general? 

That is not the goal if they are illegal they go back and don't come back. You don't hand out jobs. A boot in the ass and git

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Aug 27, 2024 6:10:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Italy doesn’t want them. They will not like how “woke” the EU is.

Right?  I am rather surprised that the solution is to move to Europe which most conservatives consider to be even more of a liberal wasteland than the US is.

Just quick googling searching says Italy has socialized health care, low cost college, parental leave up to 11 months, maternity leave up to 5 months. 23-43% tax rate.

All those things they rail about people talking about America having as a fellow developed nation.

Not understanding the logic.  The EU has everything conservatives despise liberals for even mentioning in conversation. 

[scgal]

Aug 26, 2024 22:43:17 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:48 GMT -5 scgal said:

Or we have have 45% of the country tired of the the progressive left bullshit this country sliding into. 

    Tired of trying to excuse debt for peoples poor educational choices

    Tired of normalizing transgenderism 

    Tired of convincing the people of the US that nationalism is bad 

    Tired blaming an object for deaths when it is a person fault (people are so fucking dumb on this one)

    Tired of helping other countries out with nothing in return 

    Tired of hearing about climate change 

    Tired of letting people in the country and wasting millions to take care of them

   So yea if someone is running for president and is against some or most of those things which would be against a democrat because they love all that shit. We don't care if they have been convicted of a felony the above mention is worse.

Well said SC. I'm tired also. And as probably the only other conservative on this board I'm with you. I"ll add a few other things to your list.

1. I'm tired of having to be politically correct.

2. I'm tired of liberals using euphemisms for things. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Calling it a merganser doesn't change anything. It's still a duck. Plain and simple.

3. I'm tired of the govt giving away tax dollars to persons who come into the US illegally or use the "asylum" excuse. They know if they say asylum they will be let in and given assistance. And a court date 5-7yrs in the future. How many are really going to show up?

I hear ya politically correct bullshit Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben comes to mind what a crock of shit. Like sex change is now transitioning. Mutilating your body moron

[minnesotapaintlady]

Aug 27, 2024 8:46:41 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Aug 27, 2024 6:10:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Italy doesn’t want them. They will not like how “woke” the EU is.

Right?  I am rather surprised that the solution is to move to Europe which most conservatives consider to be even more of a liberal wasteland than the US is.

Just quick googling searching says Italy has socialized health care, low cost college, parental leave up to 11 months, maternity leave up to 5 months. 23-43% tax rate.

All those things they rail about people talking about America having as a fellow developed nation.

Not understanding the logic.  The EU has everything conservatives despise liberals for even mentioning in conversation. 

You would think the middle east would be a better choice for aligning with their values.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 27, 2024 8:46:41 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Aug 27, 2024 6:10:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Italy doesn’t want them. They will not like how “woke” the EU is.

Right?  I am rather surprised that the solution is to move to Europe which most conservatives consider to be even more of a liberal wasteland than the US is.

Just quick googling searching says Italy has socialized health care, low cost college, parental leave up to 11 months, maternity leave up to 5 months. 23-43% tax rate.

All those things they rail about people talking about America having as a fellow developed nation.

Not understanding the logic.  The EU has everything conservatives despise liberals for even mentioning in conversation. 

It actually is quite simple. It is populated by white people. Can't go to one of those "shithole" countries with black or brown people

[tbop77]

What happened to the saying "I might disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."  

Just the hate for people who are not like MAGA is anti-democratic.  

[djAdvocate]

Aug 26, 2024 15:22:41 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Aug 26, 2024 14:23:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

in-person voting fraud is almost non-existent.
so yes, the main fraud occurs with mail-in ballots.
and yes, we could go to 100% in-person.
but we would have to have about 10x the resources for elections that we are currently allocating.

actually, it might surprise you to learn that i am mildly in favor of this idea.  but only if we create a national holiday for elections.  

Mail-in vote fraud is almost non-existent as well.  Large-scale fraud of the kind that Trump continually rants about is "preposterous."  A 2020 article from NPR:

President Trump has made it clear that he does not support allowing all registered voters access to mail ballots this fall, even during a pandemic. But he keeps changing his story about why he's opposed.

Among his past claims, the president has said ballots would be stolen out of mailboxes, despite very little evidence of such fraud over the past 20 years. Trump has also said universal access to mail-in voting would boost Democrats and prevent Republicans from winning future elections, despite studies and real-life election results contradicting that theory.

On Monday, he changed his argument again, claiming without evidence that foreign countries would print and send in "MILLIONS OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS."

"IT WILL BE THE SCANDAL OF OUR TIMES!" he tweeted.

It's a theory that Attorney General William Barr floated this month in an interview with The New York Times, and it's one that election officials and experts have called "preposterous" and "false."

"Election officials spend a great deal of our time building in security measures," said Washington Secretary of State Kim Wyman, a Republican. "The idea that people could print millions of ballots either within the country or external to the country, just on its face, is not going to pass muster with an election official."

FACT CHECK: Trump Spreads Unfounded Claims About Voting By Mail

It goes on to list some of the safeguards and other aspects that would make such a claim impossible, and this:

Wyman even extended a personal invitation to Trump and Barr, to come to Washington state and inspect the county offices where mail ballots are inspected before they are counted.

"If the president really believes that there is this potential for vote rigging and fraud, the president needs to come to Washington and let me show him what we do here," Wyman said. "We can answer those questions directly and maybe even make him believe that this election is going to be fair."

Kim Wyman was the Washington Secretary of State, who is responsible for elections in the state.  She is a Republican who was respected enough to be elected statewide in a blue state, and had formerly served as a county elections director for a decade in addition to being a county auditor.  She left her position to work on election security in the Biden administration.  Well-respected by BOTH sides.

and we can add that it is almost ALWAYS done by Republicans.  not always, but almost always.  they claim that "illegals" are voting, but this has never been shown, and doesn't pass the test of logic for anyone who bothers to think about it.

[billisonboard]

Aug 27, 2024 13:53:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 26, 2024 15:22:41 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mail-in vote fraud is almost non-existent as well.  Large-scale fraud of the kind that Trump continually rants about is "preposterous."  A 2020 article from NPR:
It goes on to list some of the safeguards and other aspects that would make such a claim impossible, and this:
Kim Wyman was the Washington Secretary of State, who is responsible for elections in the state.  She is a Republican who was respected enough to be elected statewide in a blue state, and had formerly served as a county elections director for a decade in addition to being a county auditor.  She left her position to work on election security in the Biden administration.  Well-respected by BOTH sides.

and we can add that it is almost ALWAYS done by Republicans.  not always, but almost always.  they claim that "illegals" are voting, but this has never been shown, and doesn't pass the test of logic for anyone who bothers to think about it.

I would add, "educate themselves on the registration/voting process and then think about it."

[tallguy]

Aug 27, 2024 13:53:31 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 26, 2024 15:22:41 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Mail-in vote fraud is almost non-existent as well.  Large-scale fraud of the kind that Trump continually rants about is "preposterous."  A 2020 article from NPR:
It goes on to list some of the safeguards and other aspects that would make such a claim impossible, and this:
Kim Wyman was the Washington Secretary of State, who is responsible for elections in the state.  She is a Republican who was respected enough to be elected statewide in a blue state, and had formerly served as a county elections director for a decade in addition to being a county auditor.  She left her position to work on election security in the Biden administration.  Well-respected by BOTH sides.

and we can add that it is almost ALWAYS done by Republicans.  not always, but almost always.  they claim that "illegals" are voting, but this has never been shown, and doesn't pass the test of logic for anyone who bothers to think about it.

Republicans in general have not relied on logic for anything in a very long time.  

Yes, organized voter fraud is almost always done by Republicans.  Many cases of individual voter "fraud" are probably better categorized as mistakes, although there are certainly some cases of actual fraud.  Disenfranchisement, which is MUCH more prevalent and far more damaging, is perpetrated almost exclusively by Republicans.  The basic calculation is that Republicans don't want everyone to vote, because they know that more people voting equals a greater chance of them losing.  If they can't win on ideas, they will try to win by limiting who votes.   

[swamp]

Aug 27, 2024 7:50:28 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Aug 26, 2024 22:43:17 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Well said SC. I'm tired also. And as probably the only other conservative on this board I'm with you. I"ll add a few other things to your list.

1. I'm tired of having to be politically correct.

2. I'm tired of liberals using euphemisms for things. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Calling it a merganser doesn't change anything. It's still a duck. Plain and simple.

3. I'm tired of the govt giving away tax dollars to persons who come into the US illegally or use the "asylum" excuse. They know if they say asylum they will be let in and given assistance. And a court date 5-7yrs in the future. How many are really going to show up?

Tell me you want to be free to be a racist sexist homophobic xenophobic asshole and be proud of it without actually saying it.

He is free to be one, he's just going to get called on it.   

[swamp]

Aug 27, 2024 8:45:02 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 26, 2024 22:57:24 GMT -5 Tiny said:

How come we aren't getting these "illegal" immigrants "legal"? Apparently there are plenty of jobs avaiblable in America that Americans don't want to do. Looks like we got a pool of people who could be employed (and contributing via payroll taxes AND consumerism).

Why does it take 5 to 7 YEARS to get through the court system? Why does it take YEARS to become an American citizen? How come Melania Trump got fast tracked to citizenship but the non-American spouses of Americans have a much more difficult and longer path to citizenship? How come Melania had such an easy time getting citizenship for her parents? (I'm assuming neither Melania nor her parents had W2 income at any point.) Why?? Why is it so hard for regular people?? 

America is a consumer based economy.  Isn't America a mostly Capitalist country??   Why hasn't anyone figured out how to PROFIT from getting the immigrants citizenship and work and CONSUMING.   

Wouldn't that be a win win for Americans in general? 

That is not the goal if they are illegal they go back and don't come back. You don't hand out jobs. A boot in the ass and git

Are you willing to pay the higher prices that come along with hiring citizens to work in the food industry?

The crops don't pick themselves, and the meats don't process themselves. 

[tallguy]

Aug 27, 2024 14:30:45 GMT -5 swamp said:

Aug 27, 2024 7:50:28 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Tell me you want to be free to be a racist sexist homophobic xenophobic asshole and be proud of it without actually saying it.

He is free to be one, he's just going to get called on it.   

Exactly.  Just like nobody is ever criticized simply for being a conservative.  They are criticized for saying a lot of silly, stupid, ignorant, logically-inconsistent, bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic things all the time. 

[Opti]

Aug 27, 2024 8:59:33 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Aug 27, 2024 8:46:41 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Right?  I am rather surprised that the solution is to move to Europe which most conservatives consider to be even more of a liberal wasteland than the US is.

Just quick googling searching says Italy has socialized health care, low cost college, parental leave up to 11 months, maternity leave up to 5 months. 23-43% tax rate.

All those things they rail about people talking about America having as a fellow developed nation.

Not understanding the logic.  The EU has everything conservatives despise liberals for even mentioning in conversation. 

You would think the middle east would be a better choice for aligning with their values.

I'm not sure if they are up to the harshness of some of the laws. I have heard stories by people who have either lived there or have worked there for a bit. Their stories were most informative and let me know what to do and not to do. Abu Dhabi for example appears very beautiful but that pristine look comes with a heavy price for those who don' fall in line. Or could be targets because they aren't from here, are women, etc.

Depending on their genetic make-up they might prefer places like Russia or Belarus. Closer to their ideals than Italy even if they like the food. 

[Opti]

Aug 27, 2024 5:48:54 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

I've found that these people who excuse Trump's behavior and make a far fetched list of why they hate DEMS sit and listen to those far right pod cast, news stations, etc and have been told over and over again how bad it is.  I've seen up close and personal how angry and bitter they have become.  I used to have Rush on when I was running errands back in the day and that man couldn't sputter out venom fast enough.  I had Mark Levin on during my ride home and sometimes I really thought his head was going to explode.  Now, imagine listening to this day in and day out.  These people are radicalized and full of hate.  Like Trump, their childish behavior leads them to the point of hate anything bipartisan even if IT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.  

I wish they would all move to Italy!  

I think they should go to Russia and replace all the soldiers that he went through. While not much of it is warm, some of it is adjacent to warmer areas like Ukraine. But who knows if they go to Italy, they might start an American mob and get some sons into the Vatican for future influence. 

[scgal]

Aug 27, 2024 14:32:21 GMT -5 swamp said:

Aug 27, 2024 8:45:02 GMT -5 scgal said:

That is not the goal if they are illegal they go back and don't come back. You don't hand out jobs. A boot in the ass and git

Are you willing to pay the higher prices that come along with hiring citizens to work in the food industry?

The crops don't pick themselves, and the meats don't process themselves. 

There is labor cost either way. Why is that so different

[happyhoix]

Aug 27, 2024 16:35:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 27, 2024 14:32:21 GMT -5 swamp said:

Are you willing to pay the higher prices that come along with hiring citizens to work in the food industry?

The crops don't pick themselves, and the meats don't process themselves. 

There is labor cost either way. Why is that so different

As of August 11th, fruit pickers make 16 bucks per hour.

To do back breaking manual labor in hot fields all day.

During the same time period, fast food workers in California earn 18 bucks an hour.

American workers will not perform that kind of work for that low pay. Do some google searches to see how Florida farms are doing under DeSantis tough migrant worker bill. Food left rotting in the fields.

If they do get workers, they pay more for them, and that cost gets passed on to the consumer. And MAGA blames Biden for the high food costs.

[busymom]

The cost of goods is mostly pretty simple.  Supply & demand.  The greater the demand for a product, the higher the price.  Other things factor in too, like government regulations, competition (you don't want one company controlling any item, a monopoly isn't good for the economy).  Maybe you noticed how something like the supply chain affected the demand for items like toilet paper when Covid was getting ugly.  But, although the leader of a country often gets blamed for high prices, it's a lot more complicated than that.  We used to go through calculations in economics when I was in college that would make your head spin, when companies would try to calculate the best price to set a new product at.  The optimum price. 


Now, me being me, I never buy new technology.  I ALWAYS wait until the price comes down.   

[djAdvocate]

Aug 26, 2024 22:43:17 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Aug 26, 2024 9:26:48 GMT -5 scgal said:

Or we have have 45% of the country tired of the the progressive left bullshit this country sliding into. 

    Tired of trying to excuse debt for peoples poor educational choices

    Tired of normalizing transgenderism 

    Tired of convincing the people of the US that nationalism is bad 

    Tired blaming an object for deaths when it is a person fault (people are so fucking dumb on this one)

    Tired of helping other countries out with nothing in return 

    Tired of hearing about climate change 

    Tired of letting people in the country and wasting millions to take care of them

   So yea if someone is running for president and is against some or most of those things which would be against a democrat because they love all that shit. We don't care if they have been convicted of a felony the above mention is worse.

Well said SC. I'm tired also. And as probably the only other conservative on this board I'm with you. I"ll add a few other things to your list.

1. I'm tired of having to be politically correct.

2. I'm tired of liberals using euphemisms for things. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Calling it a merganser doesn't change anything. It's still a duck. Plain and simple.

3. I'm tired of the govt giving away tax dollars to persons who come into the US illegally or use the "asylum" excuse. They know if they say asylum they will be let in and given assistance. And a court date 5-7yrs in the future. How many are really going to show up?

1) there is no law against you being politically incorrect.  be as politically incorrect as you wanna' be.  burn flags.  take a knee during the pledge.  criticize capitalism.  
2) don't let language annoy you.  Republicans have been pretending that liberal means something different than what it means for 75 years.  does it bother me?  yes.  it does.  but i can take it, as long as i get to live, love, and laugh as i see fit.
3) part of living in a democratic republic is that you pay for things that you don't like.  but let's be clear.  Trump is not going to stop this.  it is a violation of international law and the constitution to not permit asylum seekers in the US.  we would have to break with the UN in order to get what you want.  if that is what you want, have someone who runs on that.  but NEITHER candidate is running on that.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2024 5:41:28 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Conservatives sure were butt hurt when Hilary called some of them a basket of deplorables. Accurate but not politically correct. They only want to be able to call others names. They sure are snowflakes when they are the ones on the receiving end. Led by their snowflake-in- chief, Trump

ETA: it is called manners, Rip. You just don’t like getting called out for your racism

Trump should have called his book The Art Of Bullying.  it is one of his Ninja powers.  he can bully with the best of them.  and always through words, and the actions of OTHERS.  he would not lift a finger to get his own way.  might risk breaking one of those teeny nails.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2024 8:45:02 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 26, 2024 22:57:24 GMT -5 Tiny said:

How come we aren't getting these "illegal" immigrants "legal"? Apparently there are plenty of jobs avaiblable in America that Americans don't want to do. Looks like we got a pool of people who could be employed (and contributing via payroll taxes AND consumerism).

Why does it take 5 to 7 YEARS to get through the court system? Why does it take YEARS to become an American citizen? How come Melania Trump got fast tracked to citizenship but the non-American spouses of Americans have a much more difficult and longer path to citizenship? How come Melania had such an easy time getting citizenship for her parents? (I'm assuming neither Melania nor her parents had W2 income at any point.) Why?? Why is it so hard for regular people?? 

America is a consumer based economy.  Isn't America a mostly Capitalist country??   Why hasn't anyone figured out how to PROFIT from getting the immigrants citizenship and work and CONSUMING.   

Wouldn't that be a win win for Americans in general? 

That is not the goal if they are illegal they go back and don't come back. You don't hand out jobs. A boot in the ass and git

that is the result 90% of the time.  the other 10% of the time they get in a very uncertain cue.

i would also point out that they are not living here for free if they are in a cue.  they have to get jobs, pay taxes, etc.  they are working in our nursing homes, our restaurants, and in construction- doing jobs that spoiled white folks would not do even if they had a gun pointed to their heads.  and yes, i can prove that.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2024 8:46:41 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Aug 27, 2024 6:10:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Italy doesn’t want them. They will not like how “woke” the EU is.

Right?  I am rather surprised that the solution is to move to Europe which most conservatives consider to be even more of a liberal wasteland than the US is.

Just quick googling searching says Italy has socialized health care, low cost college, parental leave up to 11 months, maternity leave up to 5 months. 23-43% tax rate.

All those things they rail about people talking about America having as a fellow developed nation.

Not understanding the logic.  The EU has everything conservatives despise liberals for even mentioning in conversation. 

Democrats in the US are Conservatives in Europe.
no, i am not kidding.
imagine where Democrats in Europe are.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2024 16:35:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Aug 27, 2024 14:32:21 GMT -5 swamp said:

Are you willing to pay the higher prices that come along with hiring citizens to work in the food industry?

The crops don't pick themselves, and the meats don't process themselves. 

There is labor cost either way. Why is that so different

white people won't work for FMW, as a rule.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2024 16:44:51 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Aug 27, 2024 16:35:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

There is labor cost either way. Why is that so different

As of August 11th, fruit pickers make 16 bucks per hour.

To do back breaking manual labor in hot fields all day.

During the same time period, fast food workers in California earn 18 bucks an hour.

American workers will not perform that kind of work for that low pay. Do some google searches to see how Florida farms are doing under DeSantis tough migrant worker bill. Food left rotting in the fields.

If they do get workers, they pay more for them, and that cost gets passed on to the consumer. And MAGA blames Biden for the high food costs.

they tried doing this in Alabama or South Carolina, too.  can't remember which state.  one farmer hired 100 white people to pick vegetables for minimum wage.  the second day ONE showed up.  i am not kidding.  ONE.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2024 16:55:02 GMT -5 busymom said:

The cost of goods is mostly pretty simple.  Supply & demand.  The greater the demand for a product, the higher the price.  Other things factor in too, like government regulations, competition (you don't want one company controlling any item, a monopoly isn't good for the economy).  Maybe you noticed how something like the supply chain affected the demand for items like toilet paper when Covid was getting ugly.  But, although the leader of a country often gets blamed for high prices, it's a lot more complicated than that.  We used to go through calculations in economics when I was in college that would make your head spin, when companies would try to calculate the best price to set a new product at.  The optimum price. 


Now, me being me, I never buy new technology.  I ALWAYS wait until the price comes down.   

i would say that it is RARELY simple, not mostly.
what the law of supply and demand requires is efficient markets.  and markets are highly inefficient.

for example, i am in the machinery business.  i am in a niche market, which means that i can charge as much as the market will bear, because i basically have zero competition.  i try to be FAIR about it, because i am that kind of person (ethical),  if i net 10%, that is a good year.  if i net 20%, i am in the market for equipment and property.

very few markets are efficient, unfortunately, for the reasons you outlined.