MTG off the rails

[tallguy]

Feb 12, 2024 9:49:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 8, 2024 13:10:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It was implied. If you do not think it was, what was her point? Trump was still president when the decision was made, so someone in the Trump administration decided to have those troops there. Finally, something that is in the Constitution and has been done multiple times in the same way can in no way, shape, or form be considered an "insurrection" unlike the one that you continue to downplay on January 6. But I am the one with reading comprehension problems. It can't be an elected member of Congress who proves she is a fucking idiot on a weekly basis. 

Her point was just because there were alot of guardsmen at J6 it does not make it an insurrection just look at  Biden inauguration there were alot of guardsmen there also. Go ahead and interpret any way you want. J6 was just a riot not an insurrection ooooh insurrection we will keep that word going around so petty

Every time I read one of your posts I am exceedingly grateful that I am not forced to go through life with your brain.   

[Opti]

Feb 12, 2024 10:27:50 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Feb 12, 2024 9:49:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Her point was just because there were alot of guardsmen at J6 it does not make it an insurrection just look at  Biden inauguration there were alot of guardsmen there also. Go ahead and interpret any way you want. J6 was just a riot not an insurrection ooooh insurrection we will keep that word going around so petty

It looked like a riotous insurrection to me. Parse that all you want.

One thing scgal might want to consider is how Russia feels about guns. Private gun ownership is a tenth of what it is here, and they have very strict gun laws and registration.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country


It remains difficult to talk about whether gun culture will survive in Russia like it has in the United States. In fact, many Russians grew up in a time when owning a weapon was unthinkable due to the restrictions and punishment involved. But as time ushers in a new generation of citizens, the future is highly uncertain. “It is also hard to say whether people’s attitudes to the topic are changing. Due to the toughening of procedures, some people declined owning a firearm. At the same time, there is growing interest in shooting sport, and the collecting of weapons and everything related to them. So, there is a variety of trends.”

Russia has wanted to take over the US for decades and Trump has been giving them an in over and over. While the quote from that article is old, over 5 years, I doubt much has changed. This could be your future under Trump given how much he seems to adopt Russian policies. In 2018 3% of the Russian population owned private guns. 

www.rbth.com/lifestyle/328459-gun-culture-in-russia-and-us

[djAdvocate]

Feb 12, 2024 9:49:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 8, 2024 13:10:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It was implied. If you do not think it was, what was her point? Trump was still president when the decision was made, so someone in the Trump administration decided to have those troops there. Finally, something that is in the Constitution and has been done multiple times in the same way can in no way, shape, or form be considered an "insurrection" unlike the one that you continue to downplay on January 6. But I am the one with reading comprehension problems. It can't be an elected member of Congress who proves she is a fucking idiot on a weekly basis. 

Her point was just because there were alot of guardsmen at J6 it does not make it an insurrection just look at  Biden inauguration there were alot of guardsmen there also. Go ahead and interpret any way you want. J6 was just a riot not an insurrection ooooh insurrection we will keep that word going around so petty

if you view J6 completely in isolation, perhaps one might consider it a riot.  however, when you couple it with the fake elector scheme, the desire to have Mike Pence send the votes back to the several states, and all of the legal mechanations designed by Trump's team of crazy ass lawyers, it seems that the J6 thing was PART OF AN INSURRECTION to me.  and it has been viewed this way by not only myself, but by many experts on the subject.

you will have to forgive me for dismissing your appraisal.

[Opti]

Feb 12, 2024 9:49:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 8, 2024 13:10:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It was implied. If you do not think it was, what was her point? Trump was still president when the decision was made, so someone in the Trump administration decided to have those troops there. Finally, something that is in the Constitution and has been done multiple times in the same way can in no way, shape, or form be considered an "insurrection" unlike the one that you continue to downplay on January 6. But I am the one with reading comprehension problems. It can't be an elected member of Congress who proves she is a fucking idiot on a weekly basis. 

Her point was just because there were alot of guardsmen at J6 it does not make it an insurrection just look at  Biden inauguration there were alot of guardsmen there also. Go ahead and interpret any way you want. J6 was just a riot not an insurrection ooooh insurrection we will keep that word going around so petty

Petty?!

I think its pathetic that you and others can't acknowledge the insurrection happened and it was orchestrated by Trump in concert with other ways he intended to steal the election from its rightful winner. I find it sad that it is about belief with you and many like you. I had a friend the other day said she did not believe in the Covid vaccine when I told her I got the updated one because I wasn't flying on a plane in winter between two of the busiest airports in the US without it. It is one thing IMO to say you don't want to take it. But to not "believe" in it is silliness at best. The Covid vaccines exist. Belief has no part in that nor their effectiveness on others. Just like you clinging to the idea desperately that some of us are being "petty" simply because we don't like people trying to destroy our democracy for their own ego.

You are so wrong on that to be on another continent entirely, but I guess you believe Trump's lies that this is only about him. It is not. And I am no fan of others who want to destroy our country such as Bannon and Putin. The great thing about MTG for me is I never have to do any research on anything she says about politics. She is always wrong. Even Trump doesn't quite achieve that.

[scgal]

Feb 12, 2024 10:40:10 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Feb 12, 2024 9:49:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Her point was just because there were alot of guardsmen at J6 it does not make it an insurrection just look at  Biden inauguration there were alot of guardsmen there also. Go ahead and interpret any way you want. J6 was just a riot not an insurrection ooooh insurrection we will keep that word going around so petty

Yeah, they could have rioted anywhere and anytime. Why there and why that day? Because trump wanted them there to do what they could to prevent the election certification. You are a Trump apologist just like every other republican representative and official. I do not buy for one minute that you are not planning to vote for him. You are just saying what you are to make yourself look better.

You refuse to hold trump accountable for anything. You believe he is innocent in all these cases. You are so far up his ass you are coming out the other end. Just admit you want to secede from the nation so you can live in a right wing utopia and no longer believe in democracy

LOL. blah blah blah blah blah. You alway say the same thing. I really don't care what you think of me. Your opinion of me is as miniscule as dog crap. You cannot stand to think no matter what Trump does he still deserves the benefit of doubt in a court of law. That is the same doubt I will give him. One would have to wonder comparing Trump to you the way you speak vile things....yep no comarasion he is a better human being. 

[pulmonarymd]

Feb 12, 2024 15:41:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 12, 2024 10:40:10 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Yeah, they could have rioted anywhere and anytime. Why there and why that day? Because trump wanted them there to do what they could to prevent the election certification. You are a Trump apologist just like every other republican representative and official. I do not buy for one minute that you are not planning to vote for him. You are just saying what you are to make yourself look better.

You refuse to hold trump accountable for anything. You believe he is innocent in all these cases. You are so far up his ass you are coming out the other end. Just admit you want to secede from the nation so you can live in a right wing utopia and no longer believe in democracy

LOL. blah blah blah blah blah. You alway say the same thing. I really don't care what you think of me. Your opinion of me is as miniscule as dog crap. You cannot stand to think no matter what Trump does he still deserves the benefit of doubt in a court of law. That is the same doubt I will give him. One would have to wonder comparing Trump to you the way you speak vile things....yep no comarasion he is a better human being. 

Thinking trump is better than anyone is delusional. I have many faults, I will admit that. Trump admits he had the classified documents. If it was a democrat who did that, republicans would be screaming that they should be in jail, but since it was Trump, it is no big deal. There is no legitimate reason for him to have them, and he signed an affidavit that he give them all back when he didn’t. The only thing to debate is his punishment. He is guilty as sin when it comes to January 6. You just want to downplay it. Typical “law and conservative”. Laws are for other people and you only care about making a premature judgement is when it affects you.

[scgal]

Feb 12, 2024 16:40:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Feb 12, 2024 15:41:14 GMT -5 scgal said:

LOL. blah blah blah blah blah. You alway say the same thing. I really don't care what you think of me. Your opinion of me is as miniscule as dog crap. You cannot stand to think no matter what Trump does he still deserves the benefit of doubt in a court of law. That is the same doubt I will give him. One would have to wonder comparing Trump to you the way you speak vile things....yep no comarasion he is a better human being. 

Thinking trump is better than anyone is delusional. I have many faults, I will admit that. Trump admits he had the classified documents. If it was a democrat who did that, republicans would be screaming that they should be in jail, but since it was Trump, it is no big deal. There is no legitimate reason for him to have them, and he signed an affidavit that he give them all back when he didn’t. The only thing to debate is his punishment. He is guilty as sin when it comes to January 6. You just want to downplay it. Typical “law and conservative”. Laws are for other people and you only care about making a premature judgement is when it affects you.

I'm not down playing anything rationally looking at it J6 was not an insurrection just a riot and Trump did not have anything to do with it in fact I am convinced it will show that in a court of law. Difference of opinion. Documents I said let this play out. I am glad judge Cannon is on that one she won't let Smith stream roll him. Smith will have to actually prove it and remember it doesn't matter what you or I think Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. 

[Opti]

Feb 13, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 12, 2024 16:40:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Thinking trump is better than anyone is delusional. I have many faults, I will admit that. Trump admits he had the classified documents. If it was a democrat who did that, republicans would be screaming that they should be in jail, but since it was Trump, it is no big deal. There is no legitimate reason for him to have them, and he signed an affidavit that he give them all back when he didn’t. The only thing to debate is his punishment. He is guilty as sin when it comes to January 6. You just want to downplay it. Typical “law and conservative”. Laws are for other people and you only care about making a premature judgement is when it affects you.

I'm not down playing anything rationally looking at it J6 was not an insurrection just a riot and Trump did not have anything to do with it in fact I am convinced it will show that in a court of law. Difference of opinion. Documents I said let this play out. I am glad judge Cannon is on that one she won't let Smith stream roll him. Smith will have to actually prove it and remember it doesn't matter what you or I think Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. 

He had everything to do with it. He planned that rally to stir them up with words designed to get them to go to the Capitol and stop the election certification. Do the stations you listen to provide your ideas as entertainment? Trump was also asked to stop it and sat on his ass and enjoyed what he saw on TV. This is known as well. I am starting to wonder if you are really a poster from the US or a Russian bot with a great backstory.

 

[billisonboard]

Feb 13, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 12, 2024 16:40:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Thinking trump is better than anyone is delusional. I have many faults, I will admit that. Trump admits he had the classified documents. If it was a democrat who did that, republicans would be screaming that they should be in jail, but since it was Trump, it is no big deal. There is no legitimate reason for him to have them, and he signed an affidavit that he give them all back when he didn’t. The only thing to debate is his punishment. He is guilty as sin when it comes to January 6. You just want to downplay it. Typical “law and conservative”. Laws are for other people and you only care about making a premature judgement is when it affects you.

I'm not down playing anything rationally looking at it J6 was not an insurrection just a riot and Trump did not have anything to do with it in fact I am convinced it will show that in a court of law. Difference of opinion. Documents I said let this play out. I am glad judge Cannon is on that one she won't let Smith stream roll him. Smith will have to actually prove it and remember it doesn't matter what you or I think Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. 

FWIW, Cannon is presiding over the classified documents case, not the J6 case. Chutkan has that case.

[pulmonarymd]

Feb 13, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 12, 2024 16:40:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Thinking trump is better than anyone is delusional. I have many faults, I will admit that. Trump admits he had the classified documents. If it was a democrat who did that, republicans would be screaming that they should be in jail, but since it was Trump, it is no big deal. There is no legitimate reason for him to have them, and he signed an affidavit that he give them all back when he didn’t. The only thing to debate is his punishment. He is guilty as sin when it comes to January 6. You just want to downplay it. Typical “law and conservative”. Laws are for other people and you only care about making a premature judgement is when it affects you.

I'm not down playing anything rationally looking at it J6 was not an insurrection just a riot and Trump did not have anything to do with it in fact I am convinced it will show that in a court of law. Difference of opinion. Documents I said let this play out. I am glad judge Cannon is on that one she won't let Smith stream roll him. Smith will have to actually prove it and remember it doesn't matter what you or I think Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. 

Typical conservative. Totally immune to facts

[scgal]

Feb 13, 2024 10:14:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Feb 13, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

I'm not down playing anything rationally looking at it J6 was not an insurrection just a riot and Trump did not have anything to do with it in fact I am convinced it will show that in a court of law. Difference of opinion. Documents I said let this play out. I am glad judge Cannon is on that one she won't let Smith stream roll him. Smith will have to actually prove it and remember it doesn't matter what you or I think Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. 

FWIW, Cannon is presiding over the classified documents case, not the J6 case. Chutkan has that case.

That is what I said

[swamp]

Feb 13, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 12, 2024 16:40:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Thinking trump is better than anyone is delusional. I have many faults, I will admit that. Trump admits he had the classified documents. If it was a democrat who did that, republicans would be screaming that they should be in jail, but since it was Trump, it is no big deal. There is no legitimate reason for him to have them, and he signed an affidavit that he give them all back when he didn’t. The only thing to debate is his punishment. He is guilty as sin when it comes to January 6. You just want to downplay it. Typical “law and conservative”. Laws are for other people and you only care about making a premature judgement is when it affects you.

I'm not down playing anything rationally looking at it J6 was not an insurrection just a riot and Trump did not have anything to do with it in fact I am convinced it will show that in a court of law. Difference of opinion. Documents I said let this play out. I am glad judge Cannon is on that one she won't let Smith stream roll him. Smith will have to actually prove it and remember it doesn't matter what you or I think Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. 

Be here Jan 6.  Will be wild. 

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and fight. 

Called Mike Pence a pu$$y, and the crowd was gunning for him. 

Yup, he had nothing to do with it. 

[scgal]

Feb 13, 2024 10:05:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

Feb 13, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

I'm not down playing anything rationally looking at it J6 was not an insurrection just a riot and Trump did not have anything to do with it in fact I am convinced it will show that in a court of law. Difference of opinion. Documents I said let this play out. I am glad judge Cannon is on that one she won't let Smith stream roll him. Smith will have to actually prove it and remember it doesn't matter what you or I think Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. 

He had everything to do with it. He planned that rally to stir them up with words designed to get them to go to the Capitol and stop the election certification. Do the stations you listen to provide your ideas as entertainment? Trump was also asked to stop it and sat on his ass and enjoyed what he saw on TV. This is known as well. I am starting to wonder if you are really a poster from the US or a Russian bot with a great backstory.

 

Unless he said storm the capital he is totally innocent everything else does not matter. He did say fight like hell but still is no good if I was on a jury he is innocent

[scgal]

Feb 13, 2024 13:16:20 GMT -5 swamp said:

Feb 13, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5 scgal said:

I'm not down playing anything rationally looking at it J6 was not an insurrection just a riot and Trump did not have anything to do with it in fact I am convinced it will show that in a court of law. Difference of opinion. Documents I said let this play out. I am glad judge Cannon is on that one she won't let Smith stream roll him. Smith will have to actually prove it and remember it doesn't matter what you or I think Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. 

Be here Jan 6.  Will be wild. 

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and fight. 

Called Mike Pence a pu$$y, and the crowd was gunning for him. 

Yup, he had nothing to do with it. 

That crap doesn't amount to a hill of beans. He is innocent.

[swamp]

Feb 13, 2024 13:17:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 13, 2024 10:05:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

He had everything to do with it. He planned that rally to stir them up with words designed to get them to go to the Capitol and stop the election certification. Do the stations you listen to provide your ideas as entertainment? Trump was also asked to stop it and sat on his ass and enjoyed what he saw on TV. This is known as well. I am starting to wonder if you are really a poster from the US or a Russian bot with a great backstory.

 

Unless he said storm the capital he is totally innocent everything else does not matter. He did say fight like hell but still is no good if I was on a jury he is innocent

Wrong.  

That's not how criminal liability works.   The guy who plans the robbery and the guy who drives the get away car are just as guilty as the guys who robbed the bank. 

[swamp]

Feb 13, 2024 13:19:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 13, 2024 13:16:20 GMT -5 swamp said:

Be here Jan 6.  Will be wild. 

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and fight. 

Called Mike Pence a pu$$y, and the crowd was gunning for him. 

Yup, he had nothing to do with it. 

That crap doesn't amount to a hill of beans. He is innocent.

Really?  Because my 30 years experience as a lawyer tells me differently.  

But hey, you stayed at a Holiday Inn and know a lawyer, so I'll defer to your experience. 

[billisonboard]

Feb 13, 2024 13:14:50 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 13, 2024 10:14:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

FWIW, Cannon is presiding over the classified documents case, not the J6 case. Chutkan has that case.

That is what I said

Note to programmers: In English, when we move to a new topic, we start a new paragraph.

[Opti]

Feb 12, 2024 11:37:55 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Feb 12, 2024 9:49:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Her point was just because there were alot of guardsmen at J6 it does not make it an insurrection just look at  Biden inauguration there were alot of guardsmen there also. Go ahead and interpret any way you want. J6 was just a riot not an insurrection ooooh insurrection we will keep that word going around so petty

Every time I read one of your posts I am exceedingly grateful that I am not forced to go through life with your brain.   

TG I wish there had been a nicer way to say that. It's both hard and interesting watching scgal, and others like her tie themselves into knots because they are afraid of facing the truth. Look at the nonsense about guardsmen she posted. The presence or absence of guardsmen has nothing to do with whether an insurrection occurred or not. It's just random silliness and yet another way to avoid looking at the truth. He's guilty. Even Trump knows that. 

Here's the definition of insurrection.


18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection


Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.



(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)


www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

[Opti]

Feb 13, 2024 13:17:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 13, 2024 10:05:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

He had everything to do with it. He planned that rally to stir them up with words designed to get them to go to the Capitol and stop the election certification. Do the stations you listen to provide your ideas as entertainment? Trump was also asked to stop it and sat on his ass and enjoyed what he saw on TV. This is known as well. I am starting to wonder if you are really a poster from the US or a Russian bot with a great backstory.

 

Unless he said storm the capital he is totally innocent everything else does not matter. He did say fight like hell but still is no good if I was on a jury he is innocent

You don't write the laws nor do you determine how the law works. I know you'd free him because you apparently hate this country as much as Trump does. Will you move with Tucker Carlson to Moscow?

[Opti]

I find it weird that you think he had to say "storm the capitol". Is that some bizarre RW theory somewhere? I hope you noticed the law has nothing about that phrase in it at all. I started watching the entirety of Trump's speech but gave up around 2 minutes in because it was basically lies. He wanted to steal the election since he lost, so he tells the people who turned out it was stolen from them. But he knows it isn't true. He never found or even looked for evidence. He just had lawyers including Rudi file cases on pure hearsay, which is why they lost every single one of them. He lies and some people believe simply because they want to.

You want to believe he is America First because of all the flags, and I guess the obvious hatred of immigrants unless of course he marries them or employs them at Mar a Lago. Isn't it getting hard yet to deny that he is on a Russia first program? That he has been trying to destroy our democracy on behalf of Russia for decades? I wish I had posted that article. Paul Manafort was working on a plan for Russia on how they would take over Ukraine and install puppet governors while Trump was in office. Trump actively pardoned Manafort and all the rest connected with Russian interference in the 2016 election. Of course, Trump wants to keep that interference, as that's how he won! 

[pulmonarymd]

Feb 13, 2024 13:19:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 13, 2024 13:16:20 GMT -5 swamp said:

Be here Jan 6.  Will be wild. 

We're going to walk down to the Capitol and fight. 

Called Mike Pence a pu$$y, and the crowd was gunning for him. 

Yup, he had nothing to do with it. 

That crap doesn't amount to a hill of beans. He is innocent.

Good to see you think you know more about the law than an experienced lawyer, just like you think you know more about medicine than an experienced physician.

You could actually learn a thing or two if you had an open mind. Trump incited the crowd to do what they did. But why listen to Seamp. She is a dirty liberal, so she cannot be trusted to know the law, despite the fact she went to law school, passed the bar, and has a ton of experience, including as a DA.

[scgal]

Feb 13, 2024 13:20:36 GMT -5 swamp said:

Feb 13, 2024 13:17:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Unless he said storm the capital he is totally innocent everything else does not matter. He did say fight like hell but still is no good if I was on a jury he is innocent

Wrong.  

That's not how criminal liability works.   The guy who plans the robbery and the guy who drives the get away car are just as guilty as the guys who robbed the bank. 

I agree with you on criminal liability that is why I say he is innocent. He did not plan a riot so he is innocent. You and everyone else may not like it. Like alot of DA who prosecute people and they are found innocent even thou they feel they are guilty the evidence will speak for itself. Not infered evidence the only thing that will convict him is did he actually plan it and there is no proof.

[scgal]

Feb 13, 2024 14:46:02 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Feb 13, 2024 13:19:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

That crap doesn't amount to a hill of beans. He is innocent.

Good to see you think you know more about the law than an experienced lawyer, just like you think you know more about medicine than an experienced physician.

You could actually learn a thing or two if you had an open mind. Trump incited the crowd to do what they did. But why listen to Seamp. She is a dirty liberal, so she cannot be trusted to know the law, despite the fact she went to law school, passed the bar, and has a ton of experience, including as a DA.

I have respect for Swamp. She conducts herself with dignity on this board. She may very well be an accomplished lawyer hell I might even know her IRL who knows. It doesn't mean she is right thou a jury will decide that. A DA that tries a case is not the judge and jury. 

[scgal]

Feb 13, 2024 14:46:02 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Feb 13, 2024 13:19:31 GMT -5 scgal said:

That crap doesn't amount to a hill of beans. He is innocent.

Good to see you think you know more about the law than an experienced lawyer, just like you think you know more about medicine than an experienced physician.

You could actually learn a thing or two if you had an open mind. Trump incited the crowd to do what they did. But why listen to Seamp. She is a dirty liberal, so she cannot be trusted to know the law, despite the fact she went to law school, passed the bar, and has a ton of experience, including as a DA.

I don't claim to know more than an experienced physician. I go to DR's all the time. What I do know just because someone has a piece of paper on the wall don't make them good in their field. You can usually separate them out easily they are the ones who think they know more than anyone else you know the ones who think they are heros for going to work in the pandemic.

[Opti]

Feb 13, 2024 14:53:36 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 13, 2024 14:46:02 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Good to see you think you know more about the law than an experienced lawyer, just like you think you know more about medicine than an experienced physician.

You could actually learn a thing or two if you had an open mind. Trump incited the crowd to do what they did. But why listen to Seamp. She is a dirty liberal, so she cannot be trusted to know the law, despite the fact she went to law school, passed the bar, and has a ton of experience, including as a DA.

I have respect for Swamp. She conducts herself with dignity on this board. She may very well be an accomplished lawyer hell I might even know her IRL who knows. It doesn't mean she is right thou a jury will decide that. A DA that tries a case is not the judge and jury. 

Yet you keep posting he is innocent, and you aren't a judge or jury either. 

[scgal]

Feb 13, 2024 15:09:56 GMT -5 Opti said:

Feb 13, 2024 14:53:36 GMT -5 scgal said:

I have respect for Swamp. She conducts herself with dignity on this board. She may very well be an accomplished lawyer hell I might even know her IRL who knows. It doesn't mean she is right thou a jury will decide that. A DA that tries a case is not the judge and jury. 

Yet you keep posting he is innocent, and you aren't a judge or jury either. 

You are correct. I will correct myself. How about with what evidence I see its all very weak with the democrats trying to trump it up pardon the pun so I feel  he is innocent. I will accept whatever the outcome of the trial is. My question is will you accept the outcome. 

[Opti]

Feb 13, 2024 14:57:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 13, 2024 14:46:02 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Good to see you think you know more about the law than an experienced lawyer, just like you think you know more about medicine than an experienced physician.

You could actually learn a thing or two if you had an open mind. Trump incited the crowd to do what they did. But why listen to Seamp. She is a dirty liberal, so she cannot be trusted to know the law, despite the fact she went to law school, passed the bar, and has a ton of experience, including as a DA.

I don't claim to know more than an experienced physician. I go to DR's all the time. What I do know just because someone has a piece of paper on the wall don't make them good in their field. You can usually separate them out easily they are the ones who think they know more than anyone else you know the ones who think they are heros for going to work in the pandemic.

This is a major baggage issue for you, isn't it? It was other people who pushed the hero line in order to keep nurses and doctors from quitting.  Instead of being jealous or whatever you are about that, you should be grateful you weren't working on the front lines of healthcare or forced by Trump and employers to risk your life at a meat packing plant. 

[Opti]

Feb 13, 2024 15:21:19 GMT -5 scgal said:

Feb 13, 2024 15:09:56 GMT -5 Opti said:

Yet you keep posting he is innocent, and you aren't a judge or jury either. 

You are correct. I will correct myself. How about with what evidence I see its all very weak with the democrats trying to trump it up pardon the pun so I feel  he is innocent. I will accept whatever the outcome of the trial is. My question is will you accept the outcome. 

Because of his former position, it is unclear what will happen. There was a man who was extremely guilty in mishandling classified info who got off very easy because prosecutors were worried about exposing US secrets in order to try him in a court of law. 

I don't get why you think the evidence is weak. Trump planned the speech, rally and the intention behind it. That's why people were flying in from all over the US in a misguided belief they were saving an election instead of trying to steal it for a sore loser. He even told them he would follow them to the Capitol even though he had no intention of doing so. 

It depends on what you mean by accept? I understand why George Zimmerman was not convicted. Not sure if I agree with it.

[pulmonarymd]

Feb 13, 2024 15:27:09 GMT -5 Opti said:

Feb 13, 2024 14:57:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

I don't claim to know more than an experienced physician. I go to DR's all the time. What I do know just because someone has a piece of paper on the wall don't make them good in their field. You can usually separate them out easily they are the ones who think they know more than anyone else you know the ones who think they are heros for going to work in the pandemic.

This is a major baggage issue for you, isn't it? It was other people who pushed the hero line in order to keep nurses and doctors from quitting.  Instead of being jealous or whatever you are about that, you should be grateful you weren't working on the front lines of healthcare or forced by Trump and employers to risk your life at a meat packing plant. 

She is just jealous that no one thinks she was a hero.

I never claimed to be a hero. I went to work everyday because that was my job. There were sick people who needed care. She is the one who keeps pushing that point in an effort to get a reaction from me, and to denigrate all of us who worked. She is just taking a page from her hero. He dissed Haley’s husband, and republicans just meekly accepted it. It is what republicans have become. It also fits the narrative that Covid wasn’t a big deal, so they also fall in line with trump

[Opti]

I do not get the Trump logic of attacking Haley's husband. Does he want people to be more aware Melania isn't on the campaign trail or at his trials by choice?  It's another unforced error by Trump like his Russian pee story.