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Post by scgal on Nov 28, 2023 12:43:56 GMT -5
Not that its a pass but the biggest racist is now the current president Maybe you didn't notice, but his current VP is NOT white.  That and being a female are the only reasons why he picked her, or was told to pick her he is too dam dumb to figure anything out. She's not qualified to be a senator let alone a vp she hasn't done a dame thing in 3 years |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 28, 2023 12:45:20 GMT -5
In what context is saying that appropriate? Enlighten us
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Post by swamp on Nov 28, 2023 13:52:59 GMT -5
Maybe you didn't notice, but his current VP is NOT white. That and being a female are the only reasons why he picked her, or was told to pick her he is too dam dumb to figure anything out. She's not qualified to be a senator let alone a vp she hasn't done a dame thing in 3 years I don't know if you've ever seen her cross examine people, but she is stellar at it. She's not dumb. You may not like her, or agree with her policies, but she's not dumb. |
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Post by tallguy on Nov 28, 2023 15:26:51 GMT -5
That and being a female are the only reasons why he picked her, or was told to pick her he is too dam dumb to figure anything out. She's not qualified to be a senator let alone a vp she hasn't done a dame thing in 3 years I don't know if you've ever seen her cross examine people, but she is stellar at it. She's not dumb. You may not like her, or agree with her policies, but she's not dumb. Consider the source. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 28, 2023 15:45:23 GMT -5
She supports a party that thinks Trump is a genius, notwithstanding that daddy’s money bought him in Penn. enough said
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Post by Opti on Nov 28, 2023 15:48:47 GMT -5
Maybe you didn't notice, but his current VP is NOT white. That and being a female are the only reasons why he picked her, or was told to pick her he is too dam dumb to figure anything out. She's not qualified to be a senator let alone a vp she hasn't done a dame thing in 3 years Oh hells to the no. I am certain many lists were made and she did check two very important boxes - black and female. And while I disagree with her on many policies, she is not dumb nor is Biden. You don't survive in politics long without doing something right. Some politicians only know how to bully and browbeat other people. For some people that doesn't work. Odds are if you are black and female you have been through that shit so many times you just wait until whoever putters out. And see if they can come up with a real problem or issue. I think its a sign of her brilliance and perhaps she learned from Hillary. How to endure. How to walk away. How to let the shit puddle at the shit flingers feet. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 28, 2023 16:48:58 GMT -5
Have not heard Biden say anything like this. Article is from the The Times of Israel. Article dated August 17, 2017. trump was president. ‘Jews will not replace us’ – for US-President Trump, the Alt-Right are ‘fine people’
Charlottesville is the 9/11 of the political culture in America. 9/11 was an attack from the Muslim world and encouraged jihadists and scholars to embrace Islamism, to fight America, the West, Jews and Israel. Charlottesville, on the other side, is a turning point in the American history, as is comes from inside the country. For the very first time, an American President said that people, who have flags with a swastika, who shout, “Jews will not replace us,” are “fine people.” For Trump, part of the neo-Nazi rally included “fine people” – mainly the alt-right. In fact, every single participant de facto embraced hatred of Jews, and endorsed Nazi Germany. People who join a rally with swastika flags are pro-Holocaust. For Trump, some of these people are “fine people.” Donald J. Trump said so on Tuesday, August 15, 2017, in his third statement on the shocking neo-Nazi and alt-right rally to fight Jews and support racism, slavery and statues in support of the Confederacy. At the rally one anti-Nazi protester, 32-year-old Heither Heyer was killed by a domestic terrorist attack by a neo-Nazi. ‘Jews will not replace us’ – for US-President Trump, the Alt-Right are ‘fine people’Now post Biden's racism and bigotry. Keep reaching everything you post is out of context. Bless your heart. Reading trump's Thanksgiving night message to America he posted on Truth Social I would imagine you believe I and millions of others took his Thanksgiving message out of context. All trump was posting was "Happy Thanksgiving to all", right? And that the millions of voters who dislike trump took the rest of his message out of context: Donald Trump Rages at His Enemies in Furious Thanksgiving Message |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 28, 2023 16:53:38 GMT -5
In what context is saying that appropriate? Enlighten us Well you know free speech and all. You have every right to chant that and that doesn't mean you are a bad person. It's just your opinion which you are entitled to. If Jewish people don't like people being allowed to express their opinions they should move. Where exactly IDK but being allowed to live in a world without discrimination is not a right. Free speech is. Did I get that right?  |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 28, 2023 16:56:06 GMT -5
Maybe you didn't notice, but his current VP is NOT white. That and being a female are the only reasons why he picked her, or was told to pick her he is too dam dumb to figure anything out. She's not qualified to be a senator let alone a vp she hasn't done a dame thing in 3 years Vice presidents don't usually do a "dame" thing other than being the president of the Senate. They also advise the president and other federal departments. But in the end when it comes to the president, he or she gets the credit of the work the VP might have performed. |
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Post by Opti on Nov 28, 2023 18:07:25 GMT -5
That and being a female are the only reasons why he picked her, or was told to pick her he is too dam dumb to figure anything out. She's not qualified to be a senator let alone a vp she hasn't done a dame thing in 3 years Vice presidents don't usually do a "dame" thing other than being the president of the Senate. They also advise the president and other federal departments. But in the end when it comes to the president, he or she gets the credit of the work the VP might have performed. Agreed. VPs are noticed when they screw up but rarely when they do well. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 28, 2023 19:11:26 GMT -5
nobody ever said that Dick Cheney didn't do a damn thing.
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Post by Opti on Nov 28, 2023 19:30:09 GMT -5
nobody ever said that Dick Cheney didn't do a damn thing. Didn't everyone know why he was coming though? And remember Dennis kucinich famously turned down DJT because he did not want to do all the work and get none of the glory. |
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 30, 2023 9:42:05 GMT -5
Vice presidents don't usually do a "dame" thing other than being the president of the Senate. They also advise the president and other federal departments. But in the end when it comes to the president, he or she gets the credit of the work the VP might have performed. Agreed. VPs are noticed when they screw up but rarely when they do well. I remember Dan Quail spelled potato wrong. I know Dick Cheney "accidently" shot someone when hunting. And he was pretty important in orchestrating getting us into the Middle East fiasco we are in now. Al Gore championed climate change.
Otherwise I don't recall a dang thing. Same with most VPs. VPs are there to step in as president if the sitting one gets assassinated and preside over Congress when called for by the constitution. That's literally all the duties they have. If we are going by "Originalist" views that seem to be so popular among conservatives. Can scgal provide a detailed list of what every VP has done before Kamala that makes her stupid and lazy by comparison? Otherwise what exactly is wrong with Kalama besides she's an African American/Southeast Asian female? |
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Post by scgal on Nov 30, 2023 10:04:47 GMT -5
scgal , I am genuinely curious. Are you willing to share what values the Republicans, conservatives, whatever we want to call them, stand for that you feel so strongly about? Besides the abortion issue, I’d really rather not read about that anymore. Or guns. We know how you feel about those 2 issues, what else draws you to them? Since I am asking nicely, hoping for an honest answer, I’d also appreciate it if you answer without mentioning Democrats or liberals. You are right about the abortion issue I am polar opposite than most on this board. I may not be as strong as guns as you may think again more than most on this board. It will be hard to mention anything about democrats or liberals since they are part of the reason I vote republican. The democrates and the rebublicans are both off the chains they are so polar opposites anymore that it will be amazing to get someone in that is more moderate on either side. I always considered myself a libertarian with conservative values. I like fiscal responsibility (both parties such at this) individual freedom (do not bring up abortion), free markets and limited government. The last time I voted democrat was for Bill Clinton. I think since Obama the democrats slid too far left on the policies and becasuse of such the right went too far right. Here we are left with the shit that we have. I said I would not vote for any democrat and I would not vote for Trump again but at this point I don't know where I am heading. |
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scgal , I am genuinely curious. Are you willing to share what values the Republicans, conservatives, whatever we want to call them, stand for that you feel so strongly about? Besides the abortion issue, I’d really rather not read about that anymore. Or guns. We know how you feel about those 2 issues, what else draws you to them? Since I am asking nicely, hoping for an honest answer, I’d also appreciate it if you answer without mentioning Democrats or liberals. You are right about the abortion issue I am polar opposite than most on this board. I may not be as strong as guns as you may think again more than most on this board. It will be hard to mention anything about democrats or liberals since they are part of the reason I vote republican. The democrates and the rebublicans are both off the chains they are so polar opposites anymore that it will be amazing to get someone in that is more moderate on either side. I always considered myself a libertarian with conservative values. I like fiscal responsibility (both parties such at this) individual freedom (do not bring up abortion), free markets and limited government. The last time I voted democrat was for Bill Clinton. I think since Obama the democrats slid too far left on the policies and becasuse of such the right went too far right. Here we are left with the shit that we have. I said I would not vote for any democrat and I would not vote for Trump again but at this point I don't know where I am heading. Not bad except for the timeline you suggest. Republicans went FAR, FAR RIGHT first. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party tried to move the party leftward, but it was in response to the GOP's move first. And the far-left never took control of the Democratic Party. The far-right hijacked the Republicans a long time ago. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2023 0:09:47 GMT -5
You are right about the abortion issue I am polar opposite than most on this board. I may not be as strong as guns as you may think again more than most on this board. It will be hard to mention anything about democrats or liberals since they are part of the reason I vote republican. The democrates and the rebublicans are both off the chains they are so polar opposites anymore that it will be amazing to get someone in that is more moderate on either side. I always considered myself a libertarian with conservative values. I like fiscal responsibility (both parties such at this) individual freedom (do not bring up abortion), free markets and limited government. The last time I voted democrat was for Bill Clinton. I think since Obama the democrats slid too far left on the policies and becasuse of such the right went too far right. Here we are left with the shit that we have. I said I would not vote for any democrat and I would not vote for Trump again but at this point I don't know where I am heading. Not bad except for the timeline you suggest. Republicans went FAR, FAR RIGHT first. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party tried to move the party leftward, but it was in response to the GOP's move first. And the far-left never took control of the Democratic Party. The far-right hijacked the Republicans a long time ago. this is exactly right. the GOP was already further right than it had EVER BEEN before BUSH was elected. never mind Obama. and i know it sounds crazy, but i am going to keep saying it. Obama is approximately where Reagan was on policy. after all, the ACA closed the far more socialist loophole that Reagan created by mandating that hospitals treat the uninsured. Reagan would have been thrilled to have the ACA rather than the ridiculous band-aid that has been driving up insurance premiums since he implemented it. and might i also remind everyone that the BONES of the ACA were written by the Heritage Foundation, not by the Socialist Worker's Party. it is not, by any means, socialized medicine. in fact, it privatizes a feature of Reagans policy through the universal mandate (which the GOP killed). in other words, the freak out on the right to Obama and Biden is due to the fact that the GOP is so far from their centrist position that they used to hold half a century ago that they don't even know what centrist means anymore. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2023 0:12:16 GMT -5
having said that, Clinton was the last Democrat i voted for, federally, as well. a good, solid, centrist Democrat. too conservative for me in some ways. but the most fiscally responsible Democrat in the last half century, and FAR more fiscally responsible than any Republican since WW2 except Nixon.
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having said that, Clinton was the last Democrat i voted for, federally, as well. a good, solid, centrist Democrat. too conservative for me in some ways. but the most fiscally responsible Democrat in the last half century, and FAR more fiscally responsible than any Republican than WW2 except Nixon. And both of yours are exactly right as well. Bill Clinton was the most natural politician I have seen, and I have said many times that the best thing he did was bring the Democratic Party toward the center. Obama actually governed as a moderate conservative. To hear Republicans try to denigrate either as leftist or radical is completely inane. I have also said that I consider Nixon (if you could divorce his policies from his personal demons) the best Republican president of my lifetime, though that bar is admittedly low. If one wants proof that the far-left has never come close to taking over the Democratic Party, look here. Joe Biden is president now, rather than someone else. Clinton - Obama - Biden. Not a leftist or extremist to be found anywhere around. The biggest current functional difference between the two parties is this: Democrats don't let the whackjob extremists set policy. Republicans do. |
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Not bad except for the timeline you suggest. Republicans went FAR, FAR RIGHT first. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party tried to move the party leftward, but it was in response to the GOP's move first. And the far-left never took control of the Democratic Party. The far-right hijacked the Republicans a long time ago. this is exactly right. the GOP was already further right than it had EVER BEEN before BUSH was elected. never mind Obama. and i know it sounds crazy, but i am going to keep saying it. Obama is approximately where Reagan was on policy. after all, the ACA closed the far more socialist loophole that Reagan created by mandating that hospitals treat the uninsured. Reagan would have been thrilled to have the ACA rather than the ridiculous band-aid that has been driving up insurance premiums since he implemented it. and might i also remind everyone that the BONES of the ACA were written by the Heritage Foundation, not by the Socialist Worker's Party. it is not, by any means, socialized medicine. in fact, it privatizes a feature of Reagans policy through the universal mandate (which the GOP killed). in other words, the freak out on the right to Obama and Biden is due to the fact that the GOP is so far from their centrist position that they used to hold half a century ago that they don't even know what centrist means anymore. Why can't Republicans understand this? Reagan signed the largest unfunded mandate in the history of the US. Who did they think was going to pay for it? Their stand on the ACA is just being against anything and not wanting to work together: Yet, in an odd twist of history, it was Newt Gingrich, one of the most conservative speakers of the House, who laid out the blueprint for the Affordable Care Act as early as 1993. In an interview on “Meet the Press,” Gingrich argued for individuals’ being “required to have health insurance” as a matter of social responsibility.theconversation.com/conservatives-backed-the-ideas-behind-obamacare-so-how-did-they-come-to-hate-it-149698 |
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 1, 2023 13:36:36 GMT -5
it is not an irony.
it is EITHER that the GOP has shifted so far from the centrist position that they no longer have any concern for average Americans, OR
they never really cared about all of that, and this is part of a long term plan to dismantle every aspect of the New Deal.
i suppose it could be BOTH, too. but the latter would mean that they have been lying to the American public for a GENERATION, now.
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Post by chiver78 on Dec 3, 2023 18:41:09 GMT -5
I'm sitting here watching the evening news, and apparently there will be a vote on an impeachment inquiry on President Biden this week.
don't worry, I won't be holding my breath waiting on scgal to admit she was wrong.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 3, 2023 19:06:30 GMT -5
I'm sitting here watching the evening news, and apparently there will be a vote on an impeachment inquiry on President Biden this week. don't worry, I won't be holding my breath waiting on scgal to admit she was wrong. And if there is an inquiry, there will be an impeachment because the Republicans can't announce in an election year the Democratic nominee is not guilty of crimes. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2023 23:15:01 GMT -5
I'm sitting here watching the evening news, and apparently there will be a vote on an impeachment inquiry on President Biden this week. don't worry, I won't be holding my breath waiting on scgal to admit she was wrong. right. because that will Make America Grovel Again, i guess. unbelievable. |
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scgal , I am genuinely curious. Are you willing to share what values the Republicans, conservatives, whatever we want to call them, stand for that you feel so strongly about? Besides the abortion issue, I’d really rather not read about that anymore. Or guns. We know how you feel about those 2 issues, what else draws you to them? Since I am asking nicely, hoping for an honest answer, I’d also appreciate it if you answer without mentioning Democrats or liberals. You are right about the abortion issue I am polar opposite than most on this board. I may not be as strong as guns as you may think again more than most on this board. It will be hard to mention anything about democrats or liberals since they are part of the reason I vote republican. The democrates and the rebublicans are both off the chains they are so polar opposites anymore that it will be amazing to get someone in that is more moderate on either side. I always considered myself a libertarian with conservative values. I like fiscal responsibility (both parties such at this) individual freedom (do not bring up abortion), free markets and limited government. The last time I voted democrat was for Bill Clinton. I think since Obama the democrats slid too far left on the policies and becasuse of such the right went too far right. Here we are left with the shit that we have. I said I would not vote for any democrat and I would not vote for Trump again but at this point I don't know where I am heading. That's the long thought out post you lost/rewrote? " I don’t like liberals. I believe in personal freedom unless you're a woman, then your body doesn't belong to you. I voted for Clinton once (so basically "I have black friends"). I don’t know what I'm doing now." Really? Trust me, we all know you don't know what you're doing now. |
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You are right about the abortion issue I am polar opposite than most on this board. I may not be as strong as guns as you may think again more than most on this board. It will be hard to mention anything about democrats or liberals since they are part of the reason I vote republican. The democrates and the rebublicans are both off the chains they are so polar opposites anymore that it will be amazing to get someone in that is more moderate on either side. I always considered myself a libertarian with conservative values. I like fiscal responsibility (both parties such at this) individual freedom (do not bring up abortion), free markets and limited government. The last time I voted democrat was for Bill Clinton. I think since Obama the democrats slid too far left on the policies and becasuse of such the right went too far right. Here we are left with the shit that we have. I said I would not vote for any democrat and I would not vote for Trump again but at this point I don't know where I am heading. That's the long thought out post you lost/rewrote? " I don’t like liberals. I believe in personal freedom unless you're a woman, then your body doesn't belong to you. I voted for Clinton once (so basically "I have black friends"). I don’t know what I'm doing now." Really? Trust me, we all know you don't know what you're doing now. It’s all performative nonsense. She lives in South Carolina. She can vote 3rd party so she can convince herself and others she is a good person and still get the outcome she wants, Trump winning. Because, you know, Biden and the democrats winning would be so much worse! |
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That's the long thought out post you lost/rewrote? " I don’t like liberals. I believe in personal freedom unless you're a woman, then your body doesn't belong to you. I voted for Clinton once (so basically "I have black friends"). I don’t know what I'm doing now." Really? Trust me, we all know you don't know what you're doing now. It’s all performative nonsense. She lives in South Carolina. She can vote 3rd party so she can convince herself and others she is a good person and still get the outcome she wants, Trump winning. Because, you know, Biden and the democrats winning would be so much worse! So people shouldn't vote 3rd party or anyone who dont vote the way you think shouldn't vote? |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 4, 2023 9:31:44 GMT -5
It’s all performative nonsense. She lives in South Carolina. She can vote 3rd party so she can convince herself and others she is a good person and still get the outcome she wants, Trump winning. Because, you know, Biden and the democrats winning would be so much worse! So people shouldn't vote 3rd party or anyone who dont vote the way you think shouldn't vote? Never said that. But you can vote third party and still get the outcome you wish. The issue is you do not understand the danger of Trump. In your dream world, Biden is worse than Trump. So you can not vote for Trump, yet still get what you want. Trump is clear and present danger to the future of the US, a fact you refuse to accept. If you lived in a state where the election was in doubt, would you vote third party and risk Biden winning? I doubt it. So, your third party vote is performative |
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So people shouldn't vote 3rd party or anyone who dont vote the way you think shouldn't vote? Never said that. But you can vote third party and still get the outcome you wish. The issue is you do not understand the danger of Trump. In your dream world, Biden is worse than Trump. So you can not vote for Trump, yet still get what you want. Trump is clear and present danger to the future of the US, a fact you refuse to accept. If you lived in a state where the election was in doubt, would you vote third party and risk Biden winning? I doubt it. So, your third party vote is performative Sounds quite like the process I take in my voting decisions. I do love to perform. |
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