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Post by tallguy on Nov 23, 2023 12:44:02 GMT -5
To be precise, Nixon was never impeached. There were Articles of Impeachment presented with some ultimately adopted, and there were a number of Congressmen and Senators who said publicly that they would vote for impeachment or conviction, but the matter was never voted on by the full House of Representatives. Nixon resigned before that took place. The inquiry itself does not constitute impeachment. The vote of the full House is what actually constitutes impeachment, and a two-thirds vote of the Senate is how a president is convicted and removed from office. if he had been impeached, he would have been removed. there were at least 2 years under Nixon where Democrats had a SuperMajority. it would have only taken a few moderate Republicans to convict and remove him. faced with that prospect, he resigned. let me know if i got that wrong in any way, tg. incidentally, this was the GOP that a vaguely remembered growing up. it was the GOP that had some core principles and integrity. what do they stand for NOW? name me one thing. i am not joking about that. I think it is fairly certain he would have been removed, which is why he resigned. I do agree it was partly to save the country from division, but also to spare himself that particular indignity. And yes, that was back when the GOP stood for something. They don't any more, and I would argue they have been pretty much worthless since Reagan. Absolutely worthless for more than two decades, anyway.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 23, 2023 12:45:21 GMT -5
It hasn't happened yet and most likely won't and if does he still won't go to jail. I don't live in a delusional world anyone on this board is delusional if they think Trump will serve any prision time. I actually work in the criminal justice world, and based on the evidence that appears to be able to be presented and proved, there is a substantial chance he will serve some jail time. Trump is not helping himself by continuing to yammer in public about all his issues. i think that the problem here is that nobody has ever SEEN this happen before, so they just assume it won't happen. indeed, powerful people tend to skate. everyone has seen that. mob bosses, business execs, etc. they all lawyer up and plead the twinkie defense. and they get away with it. but here is the strange thing about Trump: he is SO arrogant and SO self important that he really believes he will beat it. i get that. but it is always arrogance that does a criminal in. always. they get sloppy because they have every confidence that they will beat the rap. you see this over and over again throughout history. only the guys who do the crime and are super careful at every step of their lives escape justice. Trump is likely to become the poster child for now NOT to do things if you want to crime. but it will be good enough having someone that rich and famous behind bars. and i agree with swamp. it is LIKELY. it only takes ONE felony conviction with minimum sentencing to have that happen. and he has lots of exposure, here. even if he somehow becomes president, again. in fact, he is probably better off hoping some OTHER Republican becomes president and pardons him. even then, he would stand a way better than 50% chance of finding himself behind bars. |
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 23, 2023 12:55:45 GMT -5
if he had been impeached, he would have been removed. there were at least 2 years under Nixon where Democrats had a SuperMajority. it would have only taken a few moderate Republicans to convict and remove him. faced with that prospect, he resigned. let me know if i got that wrong in any way, tg. incidentally, this was the GOP that a vaguely remembered growing up. it was the GOP that had some core principles and integrity. what do they stand for NOW? name me one thing. i am not joking about that. Got it. I always forget and fall into the common trap. Impeachment is a two step process. Have we had any President during our lifetime actually impeached? I think no. They have all left before that happened. Since I am not sleeping, my brain is at 40% or less ability, but lack of sleep means lack of filters and I guess I want to a bunch of things out. Clinton and Trump (x2) have been impeached. |
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 23, 2023 13:17:16 GMT -5
Federal cases: Federal Sentencing Guidelines However, the guidelines are not mandatory because they may result in a sentence based on facts not proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury, which would be in violation of the Sixth Amendment (see United States v. Booker, 543 U.S. 20 (2005)). The Supreme Court ruled that the guidelines are advisory, and the district court must consider the guidelines but is not bound by them. So conviction in federal cases won't result in a mandatory prison term. Can't find a definitive source for Georgia state sentencing. |
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 23, 2023 13:53:02 GMT -5
Correct, pressing charges doesn't make one guilty. Showing all the evidence to a jury and them convicting him does. That will be happening, whether you believe it or not. But continue living in your delusional world. It hasn't happened yet and most likely won't and if does he still won't go to jail. I don't live in a delusional world anyone on this board is delusional if they think Trump will serve any prision time. Just let it play out. You'll see. Everyone I know that works in the legal world all agree that he's fucked. I expect that he'll be in jail this time next year. I for one can't wait. I'm particularly interested in the GA case. The irony that a black woman is going to put the most racist asshole on the planet away is just so wonderful. |
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 23, 2023 13:55:37 GMT -5
Again, delusional. You've called for various groups to be shot. Show the post show the post show the goddam post. The only time I said about shooting anyone I was using it as an extreme process of border crossers and even then in one of my post I said I don't support that. I never said anyone should be shot. If you are referring to someone breaking into my property or stealing from me sorry sister that is my right to protect me and anything that belongs to me. Get a grip Did I strike a nerve? You seem a little more unhinged than normal. Shame on you for being so hateful on a day we're all supposed to be giving thanks. That's not very becoming of you. |
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 23, 2023 13:58:47 GMT -5
And boy will you cry when he don't. I don't want any drag queens dead where did you get that idea? I don't know when Trump will die or how. I think if he dies in the next 4 to 7 years there will be parties in the spirit of Ding Dong the witch is dead in the US and all over the globe. Please clarify, what do you think andi will cry about? I for one will definitely throw a party. I'm also throwing one when he goes to jail. My friends and I have all agreed. I can't wait. |
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 23, 2023 14:00:08 GMT -5
I didn't say 1 post ever about people disagreeing with me to be shot. Good.  We had a former poster who advocated multiple times for liberals to be shot dead. And he did include those of us posting on the board. Yet, because free speech and ID know what, Moon never banned him for it or made sure those posts are removed. I do not miss that attitude and the belief you can kill your way to political purity. That's a Hitler move, and many other dictators throughout history. If you're referring to OC, he was eventually banned. |
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 23, 2023 14:17:40 GMT -5
It hasn't happened yet and most likely won't and if does he still won't go to jail. I don't live in a delusional world anyone on this board is delusional if they think Trump will serve any prision time. Just let it play out. You'll see. Everyone I know that works in the legal world all agree that he's fucked. I expect that he'll be in jail this time next year. I for one can't wait. I'm particularly interested in the GA case. The irony that a black woman is going to put the most racist asshole on the planet away is just so wonderful. NY's prosecutor is also a black woman. many MAGAts brought out the "angry black woman" trope in whining about those charges. |
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 23, 2023 14:26:37 GMT -5
I didn't say 1 post ever about people disagreeing with me to be shot. Good. We had a former poster who advocated multiple times for liberals to be shot dead. And he did include those of us posting on the board. Yet, because free speech and ID know what, Moon never banned him for it or made sure those posts are removed. I do not miss that attitude and the belief you can kill your way to political purity. That's a Hitler move, and many other dictators throughout history. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 23, 2023 15:00:28 GMT -5
I don't know when Trump will die or how. I think if he dies in the next 4 to 7 years there will be parties in the spirit of Ding Dong the witch is dead in the US and all over the globe. Please clarify, what do you think andi will cry about? I for one will definitely throw a party. I'm also throwing one when he goes to jail. My friends and I have all agreed. I can't wait. speaking personally, if he beats every rap, good for him. there must be a whole OTHER world of facts out there that i have not been paying obsessive attention to, every day, for the last year. i would be fine with him beating the rap and never holding elective office again. the combination of him beating the rap either BECAUSE he gets re-elected OR in conjunction with it would be enough to cause me to leave here and never come back. i am not joking about that. America would be so damaged by that outcome that i can't imagine it recovering for at least a generation. maybe two. |
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 23, 2023 16:06:26 GMT -5
I for one will definitely throw a party. I'm also throwing one when he goes to jail. My friends and I have all agreed. I can't wait. speaking personally, if he beats every rap, good for him. there must be a whole OTHER world of facts out there that i have not been paying obsessive attention to, every day, for the last year. i would be fine with him beating the rap and never holding elective office again. the combination of him beating the rap either BECAUSE he gets re-elected OR in conjunction with it would be enough to cause me to leave here and never come back. i am not joking about that. America would be so damaged by that outcome that i can't imagine it recovering for at least a generation. maybe two. I'm not worried about him being reelected. States he needs to win are removing him from their ballots. Gen Z is old enough to vote and a lot will be. The boomers are dying off which is a lot of his base. The pandemic helped thin out some of his base too since they refused to mask and vax. I have hope for this country moving forward. Trump being in office was our rock bottom. It's going to take a long time for the country to come back from it, but I think it will eventually. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 23, 2023 16:10:18 GMT -5
speaking personally, if he beats every rap, good for him. there must be a whole OTHER world of facts out there that i have not been paying obsessive attention to, every day, for the last year. i would be fine with him beating the rap and never holding elective office again. the combination of him beating the rap either BECAUSE he gets re-elected OR in conjunction with it would be enough to cause me to leave here and never come back. i am not joking about that. America would be so damaged by that outcome that i can't imagine it recovering for at least a generation. maybe two. I'm not worried about him being reelected. States he needs to win are removing him from their ballots. Gen Z is old enough to vote and a lot will be. The boomers are dying off which is a lot of his base. The pandemic helped thin out some of his base too since they refused to mask and vax. I have hope for this country moving forward. Trump being in office was our rock bottom. It's going to take a long time for the country to come back from it, but I think it will eventually. do yourself a favor an do NOT listen to AM Radio. it is like a window to another world. the one neither of us want to live in. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 23, 2023 19:25:42 GMT -5
Good. We had a former poster who advocated multiple times for liberals to be shot dead. And he did include those of us posting on the board. Yet, because free speech and ID know what, Moon never banned him for it or made sure those posts are removed. I do not miss that attitude and the belief you can kill your way to political purity. That's a Hitler move, and many other dictators throughout history. If you're referring to OC, he was eventually banned. He also once posted a picture allegedly of himself holding an assault-style rifle while wearing an Oath Keepers or Proud Boys tee-shirt. Should have saved the picture but did not. He later deleted it or the moderators did. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 23, 2023 19:45:37 GMT -5
he laughed and taunted me when i said 1M would die from COVID.
i said at the time it was a worst case scenario.
little did i know that Trump's response would make the worst case.
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 24, 2023 9:52:23 GMT -5
I butted heads with him a LOT. I had almost forgotten about him until yesterday.
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Post by scgal on Nov 24, 2023 13:30:51 GMT -5
OK befor you give me a strike three. I am referring to they don't act like the democrats and keep their people at bay. NO phony impeachments and such. It should not be humanly possible to be this f***ing ignorant, but yet, here you are. MTG alone has more phony impeachment attempts on her record than every Democrat combined. Read my post I said they (republicans we were talking about) keep their people at bay with no phony impeachments. The dems impeached Trump 2x both should never have been. Yes MTG has iniatited more attempts but they kept it from turning into an impeachment. (meaning they keep their prople at bay) I typed out a whole nasty paragraph for you but I so strongly try to not go to that low level that you just did. |
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Post by scgal on Nov 24, 2023 13:32:40 GMT -5
I'm not worried about him being reelected. States he needs to win are removing him from their ballots. Gen Z is old enough to vote and a lot will be. The boomers are dying off which is a lot of his base. The pandemic helped thin out some of his base too since they refused to mask and vax. I have hope for this country moving forward. Trump being in office was our rock bottom. It's going to take a long time for the country to come back from it, but I think it will eventually. do yourself a favor an do NOT listen to AM Radio. it is like a window to another world. the one neither of us want to live in. I will agree with you here some of the channels that I listened to changed up so I jumped over to 2 diff am stations one was completely scary racist, sexist the other not too far off. |
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Post by scgal on Nov 24, 2023 13:47:10 GMT -5
It should not be humanly possible to be this f***ing ignorant, but yet, here you are. MTG alone has more phony impeachment attempts on her record than every Democrat combined. Thanks for quoting this TG. Lord have mercy scgal. I know many conservatives see almost everything in black and white , us them, but damn. The impeachment is real. It is the most documented and legit impeachment since Nixon. (TG or DJ will correct me if I am wrong about whether Nixon was up for impeachment, censure or whatever.) There is also the corruption of blacklisting back in the day which Trump has already done in his first term behind the scenes and in public.  It should tell you something scgal, that Liz Cheney, most of the Dems, most independents like Bernie Sanders are united in trying to keep the danger that is Trump away from our democracy. He has successfully weakened the courts which you may be happy about now, but those chickens are already roosting and you might be less happy if the Dems actually do retaliate Trump style. If the federal support to red states finally were brought into line with blue state tax burdens.
The only phony impeachment attempts are on the GOP side. Hunter Biden is guilty of various things that not surprising the Trump clan is also guilty of. Joe BIden has been in politics a long time. He knows where certain lines need to be. Just like some of the Bush family and the unfortunate Billy Beer et al. Liz Cheney, Bernie Sanders oh please total jokes in the political relm. Would you clairify the bolded |
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 24, 2023 14:40:32 GMT -5
It should not be humanly possible to be this f***ing ignorant, but yet, here you are. MTG alone has more phony impeachment attempts on her record than every Democrat combined. I typed out a whole nasty paragraph for you but I so strongly try to not go to that low level that you just did. so because the Republicans kept MTG's attempts from progressing as there weren't actually valid impeachable charged, while the Democrats advanced actual, valid impeachable charges....that means the Democrats are unhinged? oooohhhkay. |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Nov 24, 2023 15:13:48 GMT -5
speaking personally, if he beats every rap, good for him. there must be a whole OTHER world of facts out there that i have not been paying obsessive attention to, every day, for the last year. i would be fine with him beating the rap and never holding elective office again. the combination of him beating the rap either BECAUSE he gets re-elected OR in conjunction with it would be enough to cause me to leave here and never come back. i am not joking about that. America would be so damaged by that outcome that i can't imagine it recovering for at least a generation. maybe two. I'm not worried about him being reelected. States he needs to win are removing him from their ballots. Gen Z is old enough to vote and a lot will be. The boomers are dying off which is a lot of his base. The pandemic helped thin out some of his base too since they refused to mask and vax. I have hope for this country moving forward. Trump being in office was our rock bottom. It's going to take a long time for the country to come back from it, but I think it will eventually. Has this actually happened anywhere? I thought so far, all the cases had been dismissed? |
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Post by tallguy on Nov 24, 2023 16:04:01 GMT -5
I'm not worried about him being reelected. States he needs to win are removing him from their ballots. Gen Z is old enough to vote and a lot will be. The boomers are dying off which is a lot of his base. The pandemic helped thin out some of his base too since they refused to mask and vax. I have hope for this country moving forward. Trump being in office was our rock bottom. It's going to take a long time for the country to come back from it, but I think it will eventually. Has this actually happened anywhere? I thought so far, all the cases had been dismissed? What has essentially happened is that the trial court judges have either not ruled on the real issue or have teed up the decisions for the appeals court to decide. One said the primary was an internal party choice so was not a real election from which one could be banned. Another agreed that there was insurrection but did not wish to actually rule on the Section 3 part of the case. In none of the cases did Trump actually "win" anything. He just has not been ruled out at this point. |
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Post by Opti on Nov 24, 2023 19:17:07 GMT -5
Has this actually happened anywhere? I thought so far, all the cases had been dismissed? What has essentially happened is that the trial court judges have either not ruled on the real issue or have teed up the decisions for the appeals court to decide. One said the primary was an internal party choice so was not a real election from which one could be banned. Another agreed that there was insurrection but did not wish to actually rule on the Section 3 part of the case. In none of the cases did Trump actually "win" anything. He just has not been ruled out at this point. i.e. the can has been kicked down the road ... for now.  |
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Post by Opti on Nov 24, 2023 19:20:59 GMT -5
I'm not worried about him being reelected. States he needs to win are removing him from their ballots. Gen Z is old enough to vote and a lot will be. The boomers are dying off which is a lot of his base. The pandemic helped thin out some of his base too since they refused to mask and vax. I have hope for this country moving forward. Trump being in office was our rock bottom. It's going to take a long time for the country to come back from it, but I think it will eventually. Has this actually happened anywhere? I thought so far, all the cases had been dismissed? Dismissed no. Rulings made not removing him from primary ballots at this point yes. Deadlines will be when various state goverments start solidifying their ballots IMO, but IDK. I know there are ballot lockdowns at various times locally (town and county in NJ) not sure what a removal deadline might be? Probably b4 the ballot is printed or the electronic voting stuff goes live? IDK. Guessing for now. Probably should sign up to be a local poll worker and see if I find out. |
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on Nov 24, 2023 20:21:58 GMT -5
Has this actually happened anywhere? I thought so far, all the cases had been dismissed? Dismissed no. Rulings made not removing him from primary ballots at this point yes. Deadlines will be when various state goverments start solidifying their ballots IMO, but IDK. I know there are ballot lockdowns at various times locally (town and county in NJ) not sure what a removal deadline might be? Probably b4 the ballot is printed or the electronic voting stuff goes live? IDK. Guessing for now. Probably should sign up to be a local poll worker and see if I find out. I thought my state was dismissed, and this seems to say so as well.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 24, 2023 21:08:11 GMT -5
Dismissed no. Rulings made not removing him from primary ballots at this point yes. Deadlines will be when various state goverments start solidifying their ballots IMO, but IDK. I know there are ballot lockdowns at various times locally (town and county in NJ) not sure what a removal deadline might be? Probably b4 the ballot is printed or the electronic voting stuff goes live? IDK. Guessing for now. Probably should sign up to be a local poll worker and see if I find out. I thought my state was dismissed, and this seems to say so as well.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 24, 2023 21:15:58 GMT -5
Dismissed no. Rulings made not removing him from primary ballots at this point yes. Deadlines will be when various state goverments start solidifying their ballots IMO, but IDK. I know there are ballot lockdowns at various times locally (town and county in NJ) not sure what a removal deadline might be? Probably b4 the ballot is printed or the electronic voting stuff goes live? IDK. Guessing for now. Probably should sign up to be a local poll worker and see if I find out. I thought my state was dismissed, and this seems to say so as well.
My recollection is that the Minnesota case was basically dismissed as "premature." There is still the possibility that the case will be refiled if Trump wins the GOP nomination, and the court would most likely be obliged to hear the case and rule at that time. |
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 24, 2023 21:21:44 GMT -5
“There is no state statute that prohibits a major political party from placing on the presidential nomination primary ballot, or sending delegates to the national convention supporting, a candidate who is ineligible to hold office,” Chief Justice Natalie Hudson ruled. link |
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Post by scgal on Nov 25, 2023 11:22:29 GMT -5
Read my post I said they (republicans we were talking about) keep their people at bay with no phony impeachments. The dems impeached Trump 2x both should never have been. Yes MTG has iniatited more attempts but they kept it from turning into an impeachment. (meaning they keep their prople at bay)I typed out a whole nasty paragraph for you but I so strongly try to not go to that low level that you just did. so because the Republicans kept MTG's attempts from progressing as there weren't actually valid impeachable charged, while the Democrats advanced actual, valid impeachable charges....that means the Democrats are unhinged? oooohhhkay. Democrats NON VALID impeachable charges. Like I said a party that is unhinged. They and "YOU" as in members of this board are so scared of good conserative values. |
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 25, 2023 11:33:17 GMT -5
I really cannot do anything except laugh. if I didn't, I'd probably go insane. it really and truly scares me that a sizable chunk of this country is as deliberately ignorant and completely uncaring toward others as you present yourself here, all in the name of getting yours and fuck everyone else. may you have the life you deserve.
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