Israel at War..

[tbop77]

"What a cynical move," Tibon said in response to Hawley. "Shame on you Senator. Iran is sending drones to Ukraine and guns to Gaza, to murder Ukrainians and murder Israelis. God help us if USA can't support both countries against this brutal anti-democratic axis. Glad Biden is in charge."



Aid to help Ukraine repel the invasion of Russia has been held up by congressional Republicans who say they want to pass it only if Congress passes funds aimed at securing the southern border between the United States and Mexico.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/shame-on-you-hamas-massacre-survivor-buries-goper-s-attempt-to-sell-out-ukraine/ar-AA1hZqhK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdef032fa3f54093a758b1b3f6c52c77&ei=16

[Tennesseer]

Oct 10, 2023 23:46:58 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

As for rerouting any Ukraine funds to Israel: that would be okay if we are willing to get involved in a much wider war in western Europe if Russia over runs Ukraine. You ready and willing to sacrifice your children and grandchildren fighting in WWIII? If your answer is no then you better fund Ukraine.

That is where NATO comes in to fight Russia. It''s in their best interest to hold Russia at bay.

Time to come clean with the posters here, Rip. You're trolling us aren't you. No adult aware of the world would not know the U.S. is a member of NATO.

Either you are intentionally trolling us or you lied when joined this board by stating you were at least 13 years of age. You really know nothing of how the world works. Which is it.

[Spellbound454]

NATO wont be going in to Ukraine because its not a NATO Country ... (We have supported them with ammunition and equipment as we are allowed)

There has been a bit of tiptoeing around simply because we don't want to go directly to war with Russia.

and we don't want to trigger WW111.

As for Hamas ... I don't know about you but we have seen protests where people are actually supporting these terrorist with their "Free Palestine" stupidity.

They are supporting islamist extremists, who cut the heads off babies and parade naked dead women.
This type of behaviour has no place in the modern World. Hamas don't want peace they want everything from the river (Jordan) to the sea to belong to them.
They want Israel wiped off the map!

Gaza is not occupied, its was a rich enclave given over to the Palestinians so they could prosper. (As part of the 2 state solution)
Instead they used all the money poured into the area by rich western democracies..... to build tunnels and buy rockets.

They have fired multiple rockets in to Israel every day for the last 16 years.
New homes in Israel have to have bomb shelters.
And still Israel allowed food, fuel, electricity into the area so the people didn't suffer.

and now after this horrific massacre, they don't want to do it anymore.

Israel has the right to defend itself.

There looks like there is going to be an invasion and they will be going after Hamas.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 11, 2023 9:13:56 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

NATO wont be going in to Ukraine because its not a NATO Country ... (We have supported them with ammunition and equipment as we are allowed)

There has been a bit of tiptoeing around simply because we don't want to go directly to war with Russia.

and we don't want to trigger WW111.

As for Hamas ... I don't know about you but we have seen protests where people are actually supporting these terrorist with their "Free Palestine" stupidity.

They are supporting islamist extremists, who cut the heads off babies and parade naked dead women.
This type of behaviour has no place in the modern World. Hamas don't want peace they want everything from the river (Jordan) to the sea to belong to them.
They want Israel wiped off the map!

Gaza is not occupied, its was a rich enclave given over to the Palestinians so they could prosper. (As part of the 2 state solution)
Instead they used all the money poured into the area by rich western democracies..... to build tunnels and buy rockets.

They have fired multiple rockets in to Israel every day for the last 16 years.
New homes in Israel have to have bomb shelters.
And still Israel allowed food, fuel, electricity into the area so the people didn't suffer.

and now after this horrific massacre, they don't want to do it anymore.

Israel has the right to defend itself.

There looks like there is going to be an invasion and they will be going after Hamas.

But NATO will go into countries west and northwest of Ukraine (because they are NATO members) if Russia over takes Ukraine and tries to retake former Soviet block countries like Poland and the Baltic states.

[swamp]

Oct 10, 2023 23:46:58 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

As for rerouting any Ukraine funds to Israel: that would be okay if we are willing to get involved in a much wider war in western Europe if Russia over runs Ukraine. You ready and willing to sacrifice your children and grandchildren fighting in WWIII? If your answer is no then you better fund Ukraine.

That is where NATO comes in to fight Russia. It''s in their best interest to hold Russia at bay.

You do realize that there is no "NATO Army" right?  

it's the countries that make up NATO fighting in a coalition.   

So, basically NATO fighting Russia means we are fighting Russia 

[busymom]

I saw an image on the tv last night that broke my heart.  We've all heard stories of women & children being murdered by the terrorists invading Israel.  But the one that really got me was the picture of a baby car seat with a patch of blood right in the middle of it.  If the only way you can "own" people is to shoot small babies sitting in their car seats, you are weak.  

[Spellbound454]

Oct 11, 2023 9:29:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 11, 2023 9:13:56 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

NATO wont be going in to Ukraine because its not a NATO Country ... (We have supported them with ammunition and equipment as we are allowed)

There has been a bit of tiptoeing around simply because we don't want to go directly to war with Russia.

and we don't want to trigger WW111.

As for Hamas ... I don't know about you but we have seen protests where people are actually supporting these terrorist with their "Free Palestine" stupidity.

They are supporting islamist extremists, who cut the heads off babies and parade naked dead women.
This type of behaviour has no place in the modern World. Hamas don't want peace they want everything from the river (Jordan) to the sea to belong to them.
They want Israel wiped off the map!

Gaza is not occupied, its was a rich enclave given over to the Palestinians so they could prosper. (As part of the 2 state solution)
Instead they used all the money poured into the area by rich western democracies..... to build tunnels and buy rockets.

They have fired multiple rockets in to Israel every day for the last 16 years.
New homes in Israel have to have bomb shelters.
And still Israel allowed food, fuel, electricity into the area so the people didn't suffer.

and now after this horrific massacre, they don't want to do it anymore.

Israel has the right to defend itself.

There looks like there is going to be an invasion and they will be going after Hamas.

But NATO will go into countries west and northwest of Ukraine (because they are NATO members) if Russia over takes Ukraine and tries to retake former Soviet block countries like Poland and the Baltic states.

yes, Russia knows we will protect the NATO countries and they don't want WW111 either.
They have been somewhat careful..... because when that rogue pilot fired on a NATO plane, they were tripping over themselves to apologise saying he was not following orders.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 11, 2023 10:50:00 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Oct 11, 2023 9:29:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

But NATO will go into countries west and northwest of Ukraine (because they are NATO members) if Russia over takes Ukraine and tries to retake former Soviet block countries like Poland and the Baltic states.

yes, Russia knows we will protect the NATO countries and they don't want WW111 either.
They have been somewhat careful..... because when that rogue pilot fired on a NATO plane, they were tripping over themselves to apologise saying he was not following orders.

Which is why the US must continue to support Ukraine with weaponry.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 11, 2023 7:19:10 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

"What a cynical move," Tibon said in response to Hawley. "Shame on you Senator. Iran is sending drones to Ukraine and guns to Gaza, to murder Ukrainians and murder Israelis. God help us if USA can't support both countries against this brutal anti-democratic axis. Glad Biden is in charge."


Aid to help Ukraine repel the invasion of Russia has been held up by congressional Republicans who say they want to pass it only if Congress passes funds aimed at securing the southern border between the United States and Mexico.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/shame-on-you-hamas-massacre-survivor-buries-goper-s-attempt-to-sell-out-ukraine/ar-AA1hZqhK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdef032fa3f54093a758b1b3f6c52c77&ei=16

ripvanwinkle : Amir Tibon (mentioned above) and his family escaped from being slaughtered by Hamas. And Tibon states (posted at the top of this post) the US should support both Israel and the Ukraine.

Hamas Attack Survivor Slams Josh Hawley's Israel Response: 'Shame on You'

[ripvanwinkle]

Oct 11, 2023 9:40:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

Oct 10, 2023 23:46:58 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

As for rerouting any Ukraine funds to Israel: that would be okay if we are willing to get involved in a much wider war in western Europe if Russia over runs Ukraine. You ready and willing to sacrifice your children and grandchildren fighting in WWIII? If your answer is no then you better fund Ukraine.

That is where NATO comes in to fight Russia. It''s in their best interest to hold Russia at bay.

You do realize that there is no "NATO Army" right?  

it's the countries that make up NATO fighting in a coalition.   

So, basically NATO fighting Russia means we are fighting Russia 

Of course I know the ""Army"" is made up of the 31 nations that comprise NATO. Why NATO hasn't allowed Ukraine to join is beyond me. I heard that they don't want to anger Russia. Acceptance into NATO has to be a unanimous vote. NATO is spineless. A tiger in name only.

[billisonboard]

Oct 11, 2023 20:51:11 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Oct 11, 2023 9:40:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

You do realize that there is no "NATO Army" right?  

it's the countries that make up NATO fighting in a coalition.   

So, basically NATO fighting Russia means we are fighting Russia 

Of course I know the ""Army"" is made up of the 31 nations that comprise NATO. Why NATO hasn't allowed Ukraine to join is beyond me. I heard that they don't want to anger Russia. Acceptance into NATO has to be a unanimous vote. NATO is spineless. A tiger in name only.

Rip, if you would like to have actual information, it is available at this site: www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

[dondubble]

Oct 11, 2023 20:51:11 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Oct 11, 2023 9:40:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

You do realize that there is no "NATO Army" right?  

it's the countries that make up NATO fighting in a coalition.   

So, basically NATO fighting Russia means we are fighting Russia 

Of course I know the ""Army"" is made up of the 31 nations that comprise NATO. Why NATO hasn't allowed Ukraine to join is beyond me. I heard that they don't want to anger Russia. Acceptance into NATO has to be a unanimous vote. NATO is spineless. A tiger in name only.

This posting appears to be unfettered by any intelligence whatsoever.

[resolution]

I am kind of curious what to make of the reports that Egypt warned Israel about the attacks several days in advance. Whether the warnings were too vague, or if someone failed to act on the information.

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

[Tennesseer]

Oct 11, 2023 21:11:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Oct 11, 2023 20:51:11 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Of course I know the ""Army"" is made up of the 31 nations that comprise NATO. Why NATO hasn't allowed Ukraine to join is beyond me. I heard that they don't want to anger Russia. Acceptance into NATO has to be a unanimous vote. NATO is spineless. A tiger in name only.

Rip, if you would like to have actual information, it is available at this site: www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

Rip won't read it. Rip would probably read it though if the url address read:

www.truthsocial.nato/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

[Pink Cashmere]

Oct 11, 2023 20:51:11 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Oct 11, 2023 9:40:31 GMT -5 swamp said:

You do realize that there is no "NATO Army" right?  

it's the countries that make up NATO fighting in a coalition.   

So, basically NATO fighting Russia means we are fighting Russia 

Of course I know the ""Army"" is made up of the 31 nations that comprise NATO. Why NATO hasn't allowed Ukraine to join is beyond me. I heard that they don't want to anger Russia. Acceptance into NATO has to be a unanimous vote. NATO is spineless. A tiger in name only.

If NATO is spineless, why did you even say this in a prior post

That is where NATO comes in to fight Russia. It''s in their best interest to hold Russia at bay.

As if, even you, expect the “spineless” to rise to the occasion? 

And you’ve said civilians in Israel should be given 48 hours to leave, and then flatten everything. Where are the civilians supposed to go exactly? Anywhere that will accommodate them, as long as they don’t come  to the US? I’m just asking, because your posts on other threads make it seem like you have some sort of issue with people coming here from other nations, for whatever reason. Are you saying other nations should provide safety for people fleeing war in their own nation, when you seem to feel like they shouldn’t be welcome here? They need to flee asap, and go anywhere, as long as they didn’t come here? I’m just asking, and trying to get some clarity on the things you are saying.

I had a coworker that retired years ago, he was entertaining. But he talked so much shit that didn’t even make sense, that I started asking him “Do YOU even believe the shit you let come out of your mouth”. Any conversation with him was purely for entertainment purposes as far I was concerned, because I couldn’t take him seriously because of the crazy stuff he said, and I felt like he said crazy stuff just to say it, he didn’t even believe the shit he said. Like a real life troll that probably laughed to himself at people that took the stuff he said seriously.

I’m not saying that you are like him, I’m just saying that you have started to remind me of him. 

[Tennesseer]

Axios is reporting trump's friendly relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu soured after Netanyahu acknowledged President Biden's election victory.

Which explains this. (Someone needs to plug a pacifier in trump's infantile mouth.)

Trump risks GOP blowback with Netanyahu remarks

Former President Trump risks potential backlash in the Republican presidential primary over his criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the wake of the Hamas terror attacks in Israel.

In a speech Wednesday, Trump accused Netanyahu of “letting us down” in 2020 just before the U.S. killed a top Iranian general. Trump also suggested that the Biden administration and Israeli leaders’ public discussions helped Hezbollah, which the U.S. designates as a terror organization, plan further attacks on Israel. Then on Thursday, Trump said in an interview that Israel “wouldn’t have had to be prepared” if he were in the White House. Additionally, the former president referred to Israel’s defense minister as a “jerk.”

The comments have already opened Trump up to criticism from rival GOP presidential candidates including Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and his former Vice President Mike Pence. Additionally, the comments could threaten to attract more criticism from other members of the GOP, which is dominantly pro-Israel.

“I think it’s a strategic mistake,” said Alex Stroman, a Republican strategist. “If I was a Republican candidate, I would probably be running ads [using Trump’s comments against him].”

DeSantis took to X, the platform formally known as Twitter, on Wednesday to criticize Trump and tout his own position on Israel.

“Terrorists have murdered at least 1,200 Israelis and 22 Americans and are holding more hostage, so it is absurd that anyone, much less someone running for President, would choose now to attack our friend and ally, Israel, much less praise Hezbollah terrorists as ‘very smart,’” the governor wrote on the platform.

DeSantis further responded to Trump’s remarks Thursday during an interview with Fox News.

“This is a time to be standing with Israel,” DeSantis said. “And to be attacking the prime minister and the defense minister just makes no sense.”

Rest of article here: Trump risks GOP blowback with Netanyahu remarks

[ripvanwinkle]

If the reports are true, Hamas planned this for 2yrs. They poked and prodded Israels border to find the weak spots. Makes a person wonder if the 5 million of these here are possible terrorists? These are the one we know about. What about the got-a-ways? We have people from all over the world trying to get in. It's not a far stretch to think this could happen here.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-admits-record-5-7-million-migrants-in-us-biden-wants-to-provide-medical-services-housing-to-all/ar-AA1i73g4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=de6dc92519cf4e1680c79d4efcb05ea2&ei=11

Or these numbers - highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top-8-million#gsc.tab=0

Or this -https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/illegal-immigrants-from-middle-east-arrested-at-us-border-over-past-10-days-steve-daines/ar-AA1i72fW?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=5ca7106cea6445cb866ec9eda6fa15c0&ei=43

[Opti]

Oct 12, 2023 23:36:04 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

If the reports are true, Hamas planned this for 2yrs. They poked and prodded Israels border to find the weak spots. Makes a person wonder if the 5 million of these here are possible terrorists? These are the one we know about. What about the got-a-ways? We have people from all over the world trying to get in. It's not a far stretch to think this could happen here.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-admits-record-5-7-million-migrants-in-us-biden-wants-to-provide-medical-services-housing-to-all/ar-AA1i73g4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=de6dc92519cf4e1680c79d4efcb05ea2&ei=11

Or these numbers - highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top-8-million#gsc.tab=0

Makes Trump wonder and I guess you because you both are ignoring Palestine and Israel have been contending over the same land for centuries. 

This should be moved to your bash immigrant and refugee threads.

[pulmonarymd]

I thought trump fixed the Middle East. Isn’t that what he claimed. His buddy Netanyahu is in charge. Wonder how this happened after what those two “accomplished”

[Tennesseer]

Oct 12, 2023 23:36:04 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

If the reports are true, Hamas planned this for 2yrs. They poked and prodded Israels border to find the weak spots. Makes a person wonder if the 5 million of these here are possible terrorists? These are the one we know about. What about the got-a-ways? We have people from all over the world trying to get in. It's not a far stretch to think this could happen here.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-admits-record-5-7-million-migrants-in-us-biden-wants-to-provide-medical-services-housing-to-all/ar-AA1i73g4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=de6dc92519cf4e1680c79d4efcb05ea2&ei=11

Or these numbers - highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top-8-million#gsc.tab=0

Or this -https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/illegal-immigrants-from-middle-east-arrested-at-us-border-over-past-10-days-steve-daines/ar-AA1i72fW?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=5ca7106cea6445cb866ec9eda6fa15c0&ei=43

Your last link is a bad link. Hint: when a link is good (the way you post links), it will be underlined like your first two. Or use the link function provided on the line which contains SPOILER function.

[happyhoix]

Oct 12, 2023 23:36:04 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

If the reports are true, Hamas planned this for 2yrs. They poked and prodded Israels border to find the weak spots. Makes a person wonder if the 5 million of these here are possible terrorists? These are the one we know about. What about the got-a-ways? We have people from all over the world trying to get in. It's not a far stretch to think this could happen here.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-admits-record-5-7-million-migrants-in-us-biden-wants-to-provide-medical-services-housing-to-all/ar-AA1i73g4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=de6dc92519cf4e1680c79d4efcb05ea2&ei=11

Or these numbers - highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top-8-million#gsc.tab=0

Or this -https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/illegal-immigrants-from-middle-east-arrested-at-us-border-over-past-10-days-steve-daines/ar-AA1i72fW?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=5ca7106cea6445cb866ec9eda6fa15c0&ei=43

I’m actually more worried about the home grown terrorists at this point- remember that guy who blew up the Oklahoma federal building?  Have you noticed how Trump keeps talking about how someone needs to help him get rid of these annoying DOJ employees, or liberal judges?  What will happen if Trump loses one of these cases and he gets so furious he asks his minions to bomb something? 

[djAdvocate]

Oct 13, 2023 13:35:36 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Oct 12, 2023 23:36:04 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

If the reports are true, Hamas planned this for 2yrs. They poked and prodded Israels border to find the weak spots. Makes a person wonder if the 5 million of these here are possible terrorists? These are the one we know about. What about the got-a-ways? We have people from all over the world trying to get in. It's not a far stretch to think this could happen here.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-admits-record-5-7-million-migrants-in-us-biden-wants-to-provide-medical-services-housing-to-all/ar-AA1i73g4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=de6dc92519cf4e1680c79d4efcb05ea2&ei=11

Or these numbers - highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top-8-million#gsc.tab=0

Or this -https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/illegal-immigrants-from-middle-east-arrested-at-us-border-over-past-10-days-steve-daines/ar-AA1i72fW?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=5ca7106cea6445cb866ec9eda6fa15c0&ei=43

I’m actually more worried about the home grown terrorists at this point- remember that guy who blew up the Oklahoma federal building?  Have you noticed how Trump keeps talking about how someone needs to help him get rid of these annoying DOJ employees, or liberal judges?  What will happen if Trump loses one of these cases and he gets so furious he asks his minions to bomb something? 

McVeigh would be a local MAGA precinct leader, were he still alive.

[Tennesseer]

[Tennesseer]

Two tragic similar news pieces.  First one was the TV piece I saw the other day.

The tv piece was a husband tearfully 'glad' his wife had been murdered by Hamas rather than her being kidnapped and abused and later murdered in Gaza.

The second is a print article.

Israeli father said he punched the air with relief when he heard Hamas had killed 8-year-old daughter as the alternative would have been 'worse than death'

*A father said he was relieved to find out that his daughter, 8, had been killed by Hamas.
*He said being taken as a hostage to Gaza would have been "worse than death."
*Hamas took 100-150 people hostage following the surprise attacks on Israel over the weekend.

A grief-stricken father said he was relieved that his eight-year-old daughter had been killed in a Hamas attack because the alternative would have been "worse than death."

Thomas Hand told CNN described hearing the news that his daughter was killed, two days after the attack. "

They just said we found Emily, and she's dead." He said he punched the air, "I went 'yes!' I went 'yes!' and smiled," the father said while fighting back tears. "Because that is the best news of the possibilities that I knew."

"She was either dead or in Gaza. And if you know anything about what they do to people in Gaza, that is worse than death."

Hand said she would have been terrified every minute if she'd been held captive in Gaza and could have been imprisoned in the enclave for years.

"So death was a blessing. An absolute blessing," he said.

Emily was killed by Hamas fighters who stormed Be'eri Kibbutz and massacred over 100 Israeli civilians in a terrorist attack.

Her father, who is originally from Ireland, said the child had been at a sleepover with friends the night before the attack.

Rest of article here: Israeli father said he punched the air with relief when he heard Hamas had killed 8-year-old daughter as the alternative would have been 'worse than death'

[Opti]

I read that second story Tenn, so here's something happier, stories of survival.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israeli-survivors-of-hamas-terror-attack-recount-harrowing-brutality-heroism/ar-AA1id7qV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5f54826ff66443d9914086e8091a5cdc&ei=11


In fact, Kedar’s story is borderline surreal. The 42-year-old mother of two said she had no idea that terrorists had infiltrated into Israel, even as she and her friends fled the party as rockets flew overhead.

Kedar describes how she and her friends, also mothers of young children, were the first to pack up their belongings and leave the festival, but after becoming stuck in a line of cars, they jumped out and hid under a bridge as the rocket fire continued.



"We did not see or hear the gunshots. We were sure that the only danger was coming from the sky," she recounted. "We did not know that the traffic jam was caused by the fact there were terrorists shooting people dead in their cars."

While Kedar’s group was hiding under the bridge, the terrorists unwittingly passed them. When she and her friends ran back to their car, where they were told to drive eastward, over the nearby fields.

[tbop77]

On Thursday, Israeli Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi denounced Trump's remarks. "[It is] shameful that a man like that, a former US president, abets propaganda and disseminates things that wound the spirit of Israel's fighters and its citizens," Karhi told Israel's Channel 13. "We don't have to bother with him and the nonsense he spouts."


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-gains-ground-among-republicans-on-israel-response-as-trump-stumbles/ar-AA1ifVrT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=60919d467ac046128fb626962f951de1&ei=72

I imagine this is the sentiment of the rest of the world leaders.  

[Tennesseer]

A brave and humble soul.

Patriarch of Jerusalem offers himself up in exchange for child hostages held by Hamas: 'There is total willingness on my part'
*The Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem offered himself in exchange for Israeli child hostages.

*He said he was willing to do it if it could secure the children's freedom.

*Israel says that 199 hostages, including children, are being held in Gaza.

The Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, Pope Francis' representative in the Holy Land, said on Monday that he would be willing to exchange himself for the child hostages being held by Hamas in Gaza.

Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa made the comment during a video conference with journalists in Italy, according to Reuters.

He told the press: "I am ready for an exchange, anything, if this can lead to freedom, to bring the children home."

"There is total willingness on my part," he added.

The cardinal went on: "The first thing to do is to try to win the release of the hostages, otherwise there will be no way of stopping [an escalation]. We are willing to help, even me personally."

Rest of article here:  Patriarch of Jerusalem offers himself up in exchange for child hostages held by Hamas: 'There is total willingness on my part'

[happyhoix]

This is confusing.

A hospital in Gaza got struck and at least 500 are dead.

Initially, Israel claimed they hit it because it was full of Hammas fighters - then retracted and is now claiming it was a Palestinian weapon that went astray. They claim they have proof it wasn’t from Israel.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-releases-evidence-denying-blame-for-horrific-gaza-hospital-bombing/ar-AA1iqI8f?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f750d13d1e8c4e0abca1065ec6cc94de&ei=14

A talking head on the tube called this a ‘fog of war’ problem. It’s being seized on by anti-Israeli people across the world to turn on Israel.

I don’t know if this was deliberate or an accident, but I know it’s a tragedy and it’s going to further inflame the region.

Also confusing - both Jordan and Egypt are refusing to accept Palestinian refugees. Why wouldn’t you let civilians escape a war zone?

[resolution]

Oct 18, 2023 7:20:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Also confusing - both Jordan and Egypt are refusing to accept Palestinian refugees. Why wouldn’t you let civilians escape a war zone?

From what I have read, there are a number of reasons.

• The official talking point is that they are afraid that if they take in all of the Palestinians and Gaza is emptied out, that the Palestinians will never have a homeland because there will be no pressure to bring them back.
• Another reason is that Hamas started out as part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was overthrown by a military coup in Egypt and is banned by them.
• Countries that have taken in Palestinian refugees, such as Lebanon and Jordan, ended up with multiple civil wars and assassinations as the Palestinians tried to take over. 

None of this is the fault of the general Palestinian population in Gaza, most of whom are under 18. I wish someone would take them in or that they would come up with a real two state solution that produces a livable environment for everyone. All the current situation is going to do is to continue fanning the flames of war.

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Oct 18, 2023 7:59:44 GMT -5 resolution said:

Oct 18, 2023 7:20:12 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Also confusing - both Jordan and Egypt are refusing to accept Palestinian refugees. Why wouldn’t you let civilians escape a war zone?

From what I have read, there are a number of reasons.

• The official talking point is that they are afraid that if they take in all of the Palestinians and Gaza is emptied out, that the Palestinians will never have a homeland because there will be no pressure to bring them back.
• Another reason is that Hamas started out as part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was overthrown by a military coup in Egypt and is banned by them.
• Countries that have taken in Palestinian refugees, such as Lebanon and Jordan, ended up with multiple civil wars and assassinations as the Palestinians tried to take over. 

None of this is the fault of the general Palestinian population in Gaza, most of whom are under 18. I wish someone would take them in or that they would come up with a real two state solution that produces a livable environment for everyone. All the current situation is going to do is to continue fanning the flames of war.

the Muslim Brotherhood was started by Sayyd Qutb like....65 years ago?  he was executed in Egypt decades ago.  most of his followers are rotting away in prison or dead.  is there EVER a time that is past for punishment like this, or does it really need to go for three generations?