Why don't voters like Joe Biden?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 14, 2023 11:24:54 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 14, 2023 11:15:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

This reminds me of Mitt Romneys book where he talks about attending a meeting with other Republicans. Trump came by to give one of his rambling bullshit speeches. As soon as he left, the room erupted in laughter behind him.

He’s a joke and even the GOP knows it. They’re just too chicken shit to say it to his face, usually.

The Atlantic has an excellent article written by the guy who wrote his book.  Well worth checking out, and reading it should scare the shit out of everyone.

[chiver78]

Sept 14, 2023 14:22:37 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Sept 14, 2023 11:24:54 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

This reminds me of Mitt Romneys book where he talks about attending a meeting with other Republicans. Trump came by to give one of his rambling bullshit speeches. As soon as he left, the room erupted in laughter behind him.

He’s a joke and even the GOP knows it. They’re just too chicken shit to say it to his face, usually.

The Atlantic has an excellent article written by the guy who wrote his book.  Well worth checking out, and reading it should scare the shit out of everyone.

any way you can share it behind a spoiler code? I'm not a subscriber. I really should change that, just haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 14, 2023 14:29:49 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 14, 2023 14:22:37 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

The Atlantic has an excellent article written by the guy who wrote his book.  Well worth checking out, and reading it should scare the shit out of everyone.

any way you can share it behind a spoiler code? I'm not a subscriber. I really should change that, just haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. 

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/11/mitt-romney-retiring-senate-trump-mcconnell/675306/

Well, crap!  I was going to post a couple clips from it, but I've run out of free articles from there.  I already have so many subscriptions, I'm not sure I want The Atlantic too, but I may bite the bullet and subscribe as I have been finding a lot of interesting things being written there.

The gist of the article was that Romney had a bunch of concerns that he voiced to McConnell and McConnell agreed.  Fast forward to today, and McConnell does not recall what he said.  He said that Josh Hawley is probably the most intelligent member of Congress, with Ted Cruz right behind him.  There were a lot of observations he made, where I think he in line with McCain, Paul Ryan and a lot of others who stepped away from the Republican party while Trump was in office.  However, it sounded like Romney wanted to make a difference, so stuck around.  Is he blowing a lot of hot air?  I dunno.  The book appears to be written about a man thoroughly disillusioned about the GOP.   

However, the article was part of the book that was written and I'm intending on buying the book.   

[azucena]

Is it wrong that I want to gift his book to a few of my relatives for Christmas?

[chiver78]

my mom gifted "Betrayal" to a few of us. last year, I think? it was fresh hardcover.

[thyme4change]

Sept 14, 2023 12:41:25 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Sept 14, 2023 11:09:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Describe “barely hanging on”. I would love to believe it is true, but in truth, a significant amount of voters still believe in whatever they think the GOP’s policies are, or should be. They could make a few changes and get the majority back fairly quickly.

Only about 30% of the country believes the crap they spew. They know they can't win in a fair election so they're trying to suppress votes for the demographics that vote blue such as POC, young people, etc. At the same time they drum up boogie men for the older uneducated white people to think that they are protecting them from. Their target demographic is dying off, so they're basically trying anything they can to hang onto what little power they have left.

I know they are only 30% of the country, but only 50% of Americans vote, and republicans get a lot of those votes. Many people voted against Trump, but were red all down ballot. there are many people who want the GOP to return to the party of Romney/Chaney/Flake, which is still very conservative. If Trump and a handful of his ilk get out of the way, the party can adjust just a bit and will be viable for many voters.

[grumpyhermit]

Sept 14, 2023 13:36:25 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 14, 2023 11:12:19 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

At it's most benign, statements like this demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of the systemic nature of racism. At worst, they are used as a way to personally absolve oneself of doing the work of truly examining their own internalized biases. 

"Look, I'm not racist! I see people for people. Just because the vast majority of the people negatively impacted by my proposed policy would HAPPEN to be POC is a total coincidence."  Sure. 

And at its most benign, statements like this demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of...several things, including the English language.  Any conceivable "objection" on your part is already covered in my second paragraph.  There is no actual "blindness" in saying you are colorblind with respect to race.  It is not an overarching worldview saying that racism does not exist or that one cannot see it or fight it where they find it.  At its core, and taken properly, it is a statement of what one can do within their own circle of control, which means exactly that they are fighting it where they can.

I have said many times here that the two ideas that determine pretty much every one of my political positions and personal beliefs are the importance of individual rights and the equal treatment of every person under the law.  Both of those are incompatible with racism or bigotry in any form.  If I see it somewhere else I can still speak out against it, but it is even more powerful to eliminate it where I can.  My circle of control may be on a very small scale, but even person by person, case by case, that is one less case than before.  And nobody in the world can prevent me from eliminating those cases where I can. 

Your second paragraph is just insulting, and unworthy of this discussion.  Now, am I saying that everybody believes as I do, or that they have not co-opted the term to mean something other than I do, or are not simply using it as some facile justification?  No, but your response was to me, personally, and I think you should know who you are talking to before you insult them so easily.   

Your reply just further proves the point. 

I understand English quite well, but thanks for your concern. You are inserting your personal opinion as irrefutable fact, which it's not. I get that you don't see issue with the phrase, but as you can see from the links provided by other posters, MANY do. Instead of responding to the posted content about why saying things like "I'm colorblind" are not really helpful, and in fact sometimes harmful, you have centered your personal experience with a sports anecdote from over 40 years ago. 

If you want to view "I don't see color" as a statement of virtue, cool. I can't stop you. But I think it is helpful to understand why people at large may be dismissive of people making such claims. 

As to the second paragraph - that was not directed at you in particular - it was an example to highlight the meaninglessness of claims of I don't see color. The same poster that sparked this conversational tangent by saying they didn't see color, was advocating for putting snipers along the Southern border to murder people as they approach (people who statistically will be overwhelmingly POC).

It was meant to be read in the context of the whole conversation, not just in response to your reply. I apologize that it read that way. 

[tallguy]

Sept 14, 2023 15:12:37 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

Sept 14, 2023 13:36:25 GMT -5 tallguy said:

And at its most benign, statements like this demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of...several things, including the English language.  Any conceivable "objection" on your part is already covered in my second paragraph.  There is no actual "blindness" in saying you are colorblind with respect to race.  It is not an overarching worldview saying that racism does not exist or that one cannot see it or fight it where they find it.  At its core, and taken properly, it is a statement of what one can do within their own circle of control, which means exactly that they are fighting it where they can.

I have said many times here that the two ideas that determine pretty much every one of my political positions and personal beliefs are the importance of individual rights and the equal treatment of every person under the law.  Both of those are incompatible with racism or bigotry in any form.  If I see it somewhere else I can still speak out against it, but it is even more powerful to eliminate it where I can.  My circle of control may be on a very small scale, but even person by person, case by case, that is one less case than before.  And nobody in the world can prevent me from eliminating those cases where I can. 

Your second paragraph is just insulting, and unworthy of this discussion.  Now, am I saying that everybody believes as I do, or that they have not co-opted the term to mean something other than I do, or are not simply using it as some facile justification?  No, but your response was to me, personally, and I think you should know who you are talking to before you insult them so easily.   

Your reply just further proves the point. 

I understand English quite well, but thanks for your concern. You are inserting your personal opinion as irrefutable fact, which it's not. I get that you don't see issue with the phrase, but as you can see from the links provided by other posters, MANY do. Instead of responding to the posted content about why saying things like "I'm colorblind" are not really helpful, and in fact sometimes harmful, you have centered your personal experience with a sports anecdote from over 40 years ago. 

If you want to view "I don't see color" as a statement of virtue, cool. I can't stop you. But I think it is helpful to understand why people at large may be dismissive of people making such claims. 

As to the second paragraph - that was not directed at you in particular - it was an example to highlight the meaninglessness of claims of I don't see color. The same poster that sparked this conversational tangent by saying they didn't see color, was advocating for putting snipers along the Southern border to murder people as they approach (people who statistically will be overwhelmingly POC).

It was meant to be read in the context of the whole conversation, not just in response to your reply. I apologize that it read that way. 

I actually see it as an attempt to change the debate by changing and controlling language.  Generally, it is the right-wing who tries to do that, but the left sometimes does as well.  In the same way that many have attempted to demonize the word "liberal", many have attempted to apply a meaning to this phrase that is not really there, and certainly was not there originally.  Case in point, that my usage was over 50 years ago before the language was or may have been co-opted.  The others are far more recent.  Nobody wins by changing the language.  They merely take themselves further away from possible agreement.

[andi9899]

Sept 14, 2023 14:54:06 GMT -5 azucena said:

Is it wrong that I want to gift his book to a few of my relatives for Christmas?

My friend gifted his family a book that was "How Not To Be A Racist" or something like that. He had them all open it at the same time. I say do it.

[andi9899]

Sept 14, 2023 15:12:29 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 14, 2023 12:41:25 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Only about 30% of the country believes the crap they spew. They know they can't win in a fair election so they're trying to suppress votes for the demographics that vote blue such as POC, young people, etc. At the same time they drum up boogie men for the older uneducated white people to think that they are protecting them from. Their target demographic is dying off, so they're basically trying anything they can to hang onto what little power they have left.

I know they are only 30% of the country, but only 50% of Americans vote, and republicans get a lot of those votes. Many people voted against Trump, but were red all down ballot. there are many people who want the GOP to return to the party of Romney/Chaney/Flake, which is still very conservative. If Trump and a handful of his ilk get out of the way, the party can adjust just a bit and will be viable for many voters.

I have hope that this will change. Activists are getting younger and younger all the time. Young people are starting to see the importance of voting, which is exactly why the GOP is trying to keep them stupid by banning books and banning voting on college campuses. They're scared, and they should be.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 14, 2023 14:57:46 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

my mom gifted "Betrayal" to a few of us. last year, I think? it was fresh hardcover.

do these people read?

i am serious about that.

[happyhoix]

Now Gaetz and MTG are fighting about who got McCarthy to announce the impeachment inquiry.

Gaetz said he posted a scathing comment to Twitter that did it, Greene claimed she posted impeachment articles against Biden on his very first day in office.

Two mules fighting over a turnip.

[chiver78]

Sept 15, 2023 6:23:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 14, 2023 14:57:46 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

my mom gifted "Betrayal" to a few of us. last year, I think? it was fresh hardcover.

do these people read?

i am serious about that.

actually, yes. we pass books around all the time. my mom was just so excited about the book that she wanted us all to have our own copy. I still haven't gotten around to reading it. 

[tbop77]

Kevin sold his soul to the MAGA's for power.  They are going to eat him alive.  They can't even bring a bi-partisan bill to the floor.  When the government shuts down, hopefully the American public will see what MAGA's are all about.  They do not want to govern.  Just create chaos like their leader.  

[andi9899]

Kevin McCarthy is a joke. That is all.

[countrygirl2]

Ever time the repubs have shut down the government they lose again. It has never made it better for them far as I know. They always seem to have to capitulate, but will they this time? It's crazy time up there.

[djAdvocate]

let's hope so.  losing big is the only way this gets fixed.

[hurley1980]

Sept 14, 2023 12:41:25 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Sept 14, 2023 11:09:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Describe “barely hanging on”. I would love to believe it is true, but in truth, a significant amount of voters still believe in whatever they think the GOP’s policies are, or should be. They could make a few changes and get the majority back fairly quickly.

Only about 30% of the country believes the crap they spew. They know they can't win in a fair election so they're trying to suppress votes for the demographics that vote blue such as POC, young people, etc. At the same time they drum up boogie men for the older uneducated white people to think that they are protecting them from. Their target demographic is dying off, so they're basically trying anything they can to hang onto what little power they have left.

I don't actually think this is true.  There are plenty of younger, straight white people that are YUGE trump supporters.  You could see it from J6. Political beliefs of uneducated people are very similar to racial or economic beliefs...it is passed down from older generations telling the younger ones to be mad about "this or that" and spewing the conspiracy theories that their kids and grandkids will believe because "why would Grandpa lie to me?!?!" 

So we end up with red rural counties where 3+ generations have been voting GOP because that's what they have been told is best for them. Just like they are told the brown folks will take their jobs, and the black folks will get them hooked on drugs. 

I've seen it first hand with people I know in very red Northern California...a lot of my HS classmates to be exact! They are in their late 30s/early 40s and have no clue at all about the complexities of politics at any level, but grandad is a lifelong republican who has taught them exactly how to think. 

[scgal]

Sept 13, 2023 10:06:17 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 13, 2023 9:46:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

wow how far have we gone down the racist bulshit rabbit hole that now just saying I'm not racist is a racist remark. Don't accept that it's the dumbest, easiest cop-out, cry. Immigration should not be easy but harder alot harder. I only mentioned the shooting of wall jumpers to take this to a deeper level obviously you only like to pass along the racist victim card
Sorry not with me play with the other liberal victim criers

Not sure what "deeper level" you are looking for here. You haven't responded to my post #120 which addressed the logistics of your proposal. Please let me know what "level"you are looking for and I will discuss it there.

I didn't reply because the post wasn't about further exploring that issue rather than showing a off the wall (no pun intended) possibility and that maybe if the wall is not the answer and the current way of doing things are not the answer then what is. I actually thought you, and DJ would have understood where I was going with it. The rest no so much too far down the left field

[dondubble]

Sept 15, 2023 17:20:49 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2023 10:06:17 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Not sure what "deeper level" you are looking for here. You haven't responded to my post #120 which addressed the logistics of your proposal. Please let me know what "level"you are looking for and I will discuss it there.

I didn't reply because the post wasn't about further exploring that issue rather than showing a off the wall (no pun intended) possibility and that maybe if the wall is not the answer and the current way of doing things are not the answer then what is. I actually thought you, and DJ would have understood where I was going with it. The rest no so much too far down the left field

Or too banal.

[scgal]

Sept 13, 2023 10:26:35 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Sept 13, 2023 9:46:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

wow how far have we gone down the racist bulshit rabbit hole that now just saying I'm not racist is a racist remark. Don't accept that it's the dumbest, easiest cop-out, cry. Immigration should not be easy but harder alot harder. I only mentioned the shooting of wall jumpers to take this to a deeper level obviously you only like to pass along the racist victim card
Sorry not with me play with the other liberal victim criers

Yet you still don't address most of what I said. You are literally the descent of an immigrant. So then you shouldn't be here then by your logic. This country was stolen from indigenous people by white people, so really it's the white people that are the problem. You can refuse to look past the nose on your face, but it doesn't change history.

Also, why are you not in an uproar about the Canadian border? Is is because Canadians are usually white people?

Like it or not, POC literally are victims of white people. Refusing to see that makes you part of the problem. It means you're either too stupid to see facts, or you refuse to see them in order to further to perpetuate your hate and push it onto others.

We are immigrants. Mostly German and Italian. 

POC are "literally" victims of white people. You don't think white people are victims of POC? I love to see those numbers

[scgal]

Sept 13, 2023 8:49:06 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Sept 12, 2023 15:12:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

Why is it when anyone says anything that involves something against brown or black people its racist. I dated black men, I encouraged my daughters to date whomever they want color or nationality. I have an Indian grandchild whom I love dearly. I can honestly day i'm color blind when I see people. I think people need to stop using the race card every time they hear something they don't like

Things racists say. "I have black friends" "I'm color blind". I don't recall you ever saying anything about protecting the US/Canada border. I also don't see anywhere where you suggest making immigration more accessible/easier for anyone. You sure are quick to suggest shooting the brown people though regardless of immigration status.

Unless you are native American, which I'm guessing you're not, guess what. Your ancestors immigrated here. This country belonged to indigenous people before the white people came and stole it from them. If anything, we should be wandering around picking off the white people for stealing land from indigenous people.

Another dog whistle. How many Canadians are here illegally? 

[scgal]

Sept 13, 2023 11:08:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2023 15:12:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

Why is it when anyone says anything that involves something against brown or black people its racist. I dated black men, I encouraged my daughters to date whomever they want color or nationality. I have an Indian grandchild whom I love dearly. I can honestly day i'm color blind when I see people. I think people need to stop using the race card every time they hear something they don't like

Please stop with the "color blind" stuff.

Anti-racism Resources

Colorblindness is the racial ideology that posits the best way to end discrimination is by treating individuals as equally as possible, without regard to race, culture, or ethnicity (Williams, 2011).

At face value, this belief appears to not only amounts to a dismissal of the lived experiences of people of color, but also suggests that racism does not exist so long as one ignores it.
However, within the context of enduring structural and systematic racism, racial colorblindness serves as a device to disengage from conversations of race and racism entirely. (Asare, 2017)

Why Colorblindness Acts to Perpetuates Racism (Camp Kupugani, 2020)

The word "blind" means not being able to see. This means that in terms of racial colorblindness, a person is also choosing to not just see race or skin color, but also the racial disparities, inequities, history of violence and current trauma perpetuated within a racist society

BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and People of Color) will explain that race and ethnicity does matter, as it affects opportunities, perceptions, income, and so much more. Race is not something that BIOPOC person can not remove their skin color and racial identity. It is something the see and live with every day.

When race-related problems arise, colorblindness tends to individualize conflicts and shortcomings, rather than examining the larger picture with cultural differences, stereotypes, and values placed into context.

A colorblind approach allows us to deny uncomfortable cultural differences.

In a colorblind society, White people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society.

What Does Color Racial Colorblindness Look Like?

I don't see color. I just see people.
We're all just people.
I don't care if you're black, white, green, or purple-polka-dotted!
#AllLivesMatter

Anti-racism Resources

Also: Colorblind Ideology Is a Form of Racism

For the liberal in me I admit there is racism and would be stupid to say there isn't, but at the same time as much as I dislike racism I also see it is someone's right to be racis. I also believe systemic racism is a thing of the past. People like to hold on to these false narratives for seperation, or to play the victim card.

[billisonboard]

Sept 15, 2023 17:20:49 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2023 10:06:17 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Not sure what "deeper level" you are looking for here. You haven't responded to my post #120 which addressed the logistics of your proposal. Please let me know what "level"you are looking for and I will discuss it there.

I didn't reply because the post wasn't about further exploring that issue rather than showing a off the wall (no pun intended) possibility and that maybe if the wall is not the answer and the current way of doing things are not the answer then what is. I actually thought you, and DJ would have understood where I was going with it. The rest no so much too far down the left field

The current way of doing things is the best answer we have at this point. Unless we significantly decrease demand for illegal drugs in this country and help Central American countries develop their economies, we will continue to see large numbers of human beings head our way to take advantage of the opportunities American employers provide them.

[Pink Cashmere]

In regards to the conversation about “not seeing color”, I am not as articulate as other posters here, so please bear with me. I think it’s only natural to notice what a person looks like. I am a Black woman, and maybe it’s because I have been constantly reminded of my color my whole life, but I do notice whether people are white, black, Asian, or any other things they could be. Me noticing that does not determine how I treat them, but I would be lying if I said I don’t see the differences in appearances. Because that doesn’t have anything to do with how I treat whoever, I don’t see that as being much different from the other things my brain automatically registers about the people I run into or interact with, like how they are dressed, how they act, and whatever else my unconscious identifies, that gives me clues about people. 

I feel like what I do with all that information my brain registers about a person, is more important than what I notice about their appearance. As long as neither poses a threat to me, I treat the person that appears to be homeless, with the same courtesy and respect I would treat a person that is well dressed and appears to be a successful business person. But with either one, I would be able to say after seeing them or interacting them, what race or ethnicity they appeared to be. 

That means that I am most definitely not color blind. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing. To me, noticing race or whatever, is not different than noticing what clothes a person is wearing. It’s just part of a physical description. Nothing more, and nothing less, unless somebody makes it be something more by using that person’s skin color or whatever, to judge how that person should be treated.

I’m not sure if I worded everything well enough to be properly understood, but that’s just my opinion on the subject. 

[dondubble]

Sept 15, 2023 17:35:56 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2023 10:26:35 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Yet you still don't address most of what I said. You are literally the descent of an immigrant. So then you shouldn't be here then by your logic. This country was stolen from indigenous people by white people, so really it's the white people that are the problem. You can refuse to look past the nose on your face, but it doesn't change history.

Also, why are you not in an uproar about the Canadian border? Is is because Canadians are usually white people?

Like it or not, POC literally are victims of white people. Refusing to see that makes you part of the problem. It means you're either too stupid to see facts, or you refuse to see them in order to further to perpetuate your hate and push it onto others.

We are immigrants. Mostly German and Italian. 

POC are "literally" victims of white people. You don't think white people are victims of POC? I love to see those numbers

Oh yes. Millions of white people have been enslaved by American Blacks. It’s so obvious.

[tallguy]

Sept 15, 2023 18:48:58 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

In regards to the conversation about “not seeing color”, I am not as articulate as other posters here, so please bear with me. I think it’s only natural to notice what a person looks like. I am a Black woman, and maybe it’s because I have been constantly reminded of my color my whole life, but I do notice whether people are white, black, Asian, or any other things they could be. Me noticing that does not determine how I treat them, but I would be lying if I said I don’t see the differences in appearances. Because that doesn’t have anything to do with how I treat whoever, I don’t see that as being much different from the other things my brain automatically registers about the people I run into or interact with, like how they are dressed, how they act, and whatever else my unconscious identifies, that gives me clues about people. 

I feel like what I do with all that information my brain registers about a person, is more important than what I notice about their appearance. As long as neither poses a threat to me, I treat the person that appears to be homeless, with the same courtesy and respect I would treat a person that is well dressed and appears to be a successful business person. But with either one, I would be able to say after seeing them or interacting them, what race or ethnicity they appeared to be. 

That means that I am most definitely not color blind. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing. To me, noticing race or whatever, is not different than noticing what clothes a person is wearing. It’s just part of a physical description. Nothing more, and nothing less, unless somebody makes it be something more by using that person’s skin color or whatever, to judge how that person should be treated.

I’m not sure if I worded everything well enough to be properly understood, but that’s just my opinion on the subject. 

You did fine, and you are exactly right.  You are also in perfect accord with what the term or phrase should actually mean.  You notice color or race, but you do not NOTE it.  It bears no relevance and has no impact in regard to how you act toward, react to, or treat someone else.  And that is exactly what I was trying to get across to people earlier.  "Not seeing color" has everything to do with your beliefs and your actions.  It has nothing to do with your vision. 

[pulmonarymd]

For the immigration problem, how about really enforcing ghe employment laws against corporations. Onerous fines and jail time for repeat offenders. Enforce the laws. Republicans are all for law and order. Couple that with a guest worker program for farm workers and other industries. If you reduce the benefit for coming here., we will decrease demand.

Couple that with immigration reform. That requires republicans to actually want to solve that problem, instead of trying to rile up their base and run on the “problem”.

Deal with the dreamers. This will require compromise. Something republicans no longer believe in.

This does not involve shooting people. I know that disappoints scgal

[Tennesseer]

Sept 15, 2023 18:48:58 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

In regards to the conversation about “not seeing color”, I am not as articulate as other posters here, so please bear with me. I think it’s only natural to notice what a person looks like. I am a Black woman, and maybe it’s because I have been constantly reminded of my color my whole life, but I do notice whether people are white, black, Asian, or any other things they could be. Me noticing that does not determine how I treat them, but I would be lying if I said I don’t see the differences in appearances. Because that doesn’t have anything to do with how I treat whoever, I don’t see that as being much different from the other things my brain automatically registers about the people I run into or interact with, like how they are dressed, how they act, and whatever else my unconscious identifies, that gives me clues about people. 

I feel like what I do with all that information my brain registers about a person, is more important than what I notice about their appearance. As long as neither poses a threat to me, I treat the person that appears to be homeless, with the same courtesy and respect I would treat a person that is well dressed and appears to be a successful business person. But with either one, I would be able to say after seeing them or interacting them, what race or ethnicity they appeared to be. 

That means that I am most definitely not color blind. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing. To me, noticing race or whatever, is not different than noticing what clothes a person is wearing. It’s just part of a physical description. Nothing more, and nothing less, unless somebody makes it be something more by using that person’s skin color or whatever, to judge how that person should be treated.

I’m not sure if I worded everything well enough to be properly understood, but that’s just my opinion on the subject. 

You did just fine.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 15, 2023 17:50:00 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2023 11:08:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Please stop with the "color blind" stuff.

Anti-racism Resources

Colorblindness is the racial ideology that posits the best way to end discrimination is by treating individuals as equally as possible, without regard to race, culture, or ethnicity (Williams, 2011).

At face value, this belief appears to not only amounts to a dismissal of the lived experiences of people of color, but also suggests that racism does not exist so long as one ignores it.
However, within the context of enduring structural and systematic racism, racial colorblindness serves as a device to disengage from conversations of race and racism entirely. (Asare, 2017)

Why Colorblindness Acts to Perpetuates Racism (Camp Kupugani, 2020)

The word "blind" means not being able to see. This means that in terms of racial colorblindness, a person is also choosing to not just see race or skin color, but also the racial disparities, inequities, history of violence and current trauma perpetuated within a racist society

BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and People of Color) will explain that race and ethnicity does matter, as it affects opportunities, perceptions, income, and so much more. Race is not something that BIOPOC person can not remove their skin color and racial identity. It is something the see and live with every day.

When race-related problems arise, colorblindness tends to individualize conflicts and shortcomings, rather than examining the larger picture with cultural differences, stereotypes, and values placed into context.

A colorblind approach allows us to deny uncomfortable cultural differences.

In a colorblind society, White people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society.

What Does Color Racial Colorblindness Look Like?

I don't see color. I just see people.
We're all just people.
I don't care if you're black, white, green, or purple-polka-dotted!
#AllLivesMatter

Anti-racism Resources

Also: Colorblind Ideology Is a Form of Racism

For the liberal in me I admit there is racism and would be stupid to say there isn't, but at the same time as much as I dislike racism I also see it is someone's right to be racis. I also believe systemic racism is a thing of the past. People like to hold on to these false narratives for seperation, or to play the victim card.

Is it ever not right for someone to be racist in your opinion and can you provide an example?