Why don't voters like Joe Biden?

[andi9899]

Sept 12, 2023 15:12:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 12, 2023 11:05:08 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Definitely not racist but let's just shoot innocent brown people. Make that make sense.

Why is it when anyone says anything that involves something against brown or black people its racist. I dated black men, I encouraged my daughters to date whomever they want color or nationality. I have an Indian grandchild whom I love dearly. I can honestly day i'm color blind when I see people. I think people need to stop using the race card every time they hear something they don't like

Things racists say. "I have black friends" "I'm color blind". I don't recall you ever saying anything about protecting the US/Canada border. I also don't see anywhere where you suggest making immigration more accessible/easier for anyone. You sure are quick to suggest shooting the brown people though regardless of immigration status.

Unless you are native American, which I'm guessing you're not, guess what. Your ancestors immigrated here. This country belonged to indigenous people before the white people came and stole it from them. If anything, we should be wandering around picking off the white people for stealing land from indigenous people.

[billisonboard]

Sept 13, 2023 8:27:22 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Don’t feed the trolls.

How not to do that: Have you ever seen the buffet table after trolls have feasted? All of the light sugary treats are gone and the sustaining foods are left untouched.

[scgal]

Sept 13, 2023 8:49:06 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Sept 12, 2023 15:12:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

Why is it when anyone says anything that involves something against brown or black people its racist. I dated black men, I encouraged my daughters to date whomever they want color or nationality. I have an Indian grandchild whom I love dearly. I can honestly day i'm color blind when I see people. I think people need to stop using the race card every time they hear something they don't like

Things racists say. "I have black friends" "I'm color blind". I don't recall you ever saying anything about protecting the US/Canada border. I also don't see anywhere where you suggest making immigration more accessible/easier for anyone. You sure are quick to suggest shooting the brown people though regardless of immigration status.

Unless you are native American, which I'm guessing you're not, guess what. Your ancestors immigrated here. This country belonged to indigenous people before the white people came and stole it from them. If anything, we should be wandering around picking off the white people for stealing land from indigenous people.

[scgal]

Sept 13, 2023 9:40:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2023 8:49:06 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Things racists say. "I have black friends" "I'm color blind". I don't recall you ever saying anything about protecting the US/Canada border. I also don't see anywhere where you suggest making immigration more accessible/easier for anyone. You sure are quick to suggest shooting the brown people though regardless of immigration status.

Unless you are native American, which I'm guessing you're not, guess what. Your ancestors immigrated here. This country belonged to indigenous people before the white people came and stole it from them. If anything, we should be wandering around picking off the white people for stealing land from indigenous people.

wow how far have we gone down the racist bulshit rabbit hole that now just saying I'm not racist is a racist remark. Don't accept that it's the dumbest, easiest cop-out, cry. Immigration should not be easy but harder alot harder. I only mentioned the shooting of wall jumpers to take this to a deeper level obviously you only like to pass along the racist victim card
Sorry not with me play with the other liberal victim criers

[billisonboard]

Sept 13, 2023 9:46:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2023 9:40:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

wow how far have we gone down the racist bulshit rabbit hole that now just saying I'm not racist is a racist remark. Don't accept that it's the dumbest, easiest cop-out, cry. Immigration should not be easy but harder alot harder. I only mentioned the shooting of wall jumpers to take this to a deeper level obviously you only like to pass along the racist victim card
Sorry not with me play with the other liberal victim criers

Not sure what "deeper level" you are looking for here. You haven't responded to my post #120 which addressed the logistics of your proposal. Please let me know what "level"you are looking for and I will discuss it there.

[andi9899]

Sept 13, 2023 9:46:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2023 9:40:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

wow how far have we gone down the racist bulshit rabbit hole that now just saying I'm not racist is a racist remark. Don't accept that it's the dumbest, easiest cop-out, cry. Immigration should not be easy but harder alot harder. I only mentioned the shooting of wall jumpers to take this to a deeper level obviously you only like to pass along the racist victim card
Sorry not with me play with the other liberal victim criers

Yet you still don't address most of what I said. You are literally the descent of an immigrant. So then you shouldn't be here then by your logic. This country was stolen from indigenous people by white people, so really it's the white people that are the problem. You can refuse to look past the nose on your face, but it doesn't change history.

Also, why are you not in an uproar about the Canadian border? Is is because Canadians are usually white people?

Like it or not, POC literally are victims of white people. Refusing to see that makes you part of the problem. It means you're either too stupid to see facts, or you refuse to see them in order to further to perpetuate your hate and push it onto others.

[thyme4change]

In 25 years they will be raging about the Canadian border because someone will figure out how to get more latinos across that border.

[andi9899]

I'm really hoping that in 25 years that most of the republican party will be either dead or voted out. They're barely hanging on as is which is why they are trying so hard to suppress voting rights. They know that if they didn't, most of them wouldn't get reelected. Praying that Gen Z and Gen Alpha step up and get to voting!

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2023 15:12:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 12, 2023 11:05:08 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Definitely not racist but let's just shoot innocent brown people. Make that make sense.

Why is it when anyone says anything that involves something against brown or black people its racist. I dated black men, I encouraged my daughters to date whomever they want color or nationality. I have an Indian grandchild whom I love dearly. I can honestly day i'm color blind when I see people. I think people need to stop using the race card every time they hear something they don't like

Please stop with the "color blind" stuff.

Anti-racism Resources

Colorblindness is the racial ideology that posits the best way to end discrimination is by treating individuals as equally as possible, without regard to race, culture, or ethnicity (Williams, 2011).

At face value, this belief appears to not only amounts to a dismissal of the lived experiences of people of color, but also suggests that racism does not exist so long as one ignores it.
However, within the context of enduring structural and systematic racism, racial colorblindness serves as a device to disengage from conversations of race and racism entirely. (Asare, 2017)

Why Colorblindness Acts to Perpetuates Racism (Camp Kupugani, 2020)

The word "blind" means not being able to see. This means that in terms of racial colorblindness, a person is also choosing to not just see race or skin color, but also the racial disparities, inequities, history of violence and current trauma perpetuated within a racist society

BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and People of Color) will explain that race and ethnicity does matter, as it affects opportunities, perceptions, income, and so much more. Race is not something that BIOPOC person can not remove their skin color and racial identity. It is something the see and live with every day.

When race-related problems arise, colorblindness tends to individualize conflicts and shortcomings, rather than examining the larger picture with cultural differences, stereotypes, and values placed into context.

A colorblind approach allows us to deny uncomfortable cultural differences.

In a colorblind society, White people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society.

What Does Color Racial Colorblindness Look Like?

I don't see color. I just see people.
We're all just people.
I don't care if you're black, white, green, or purple-polka-dotted!
#AllLivesMatter

Anti-racism Resources

Also: Colorblind Ideology Is a Form of Racism

[bean29]

Sept 12, 2023 15:47:09 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Sept 12, 2023 15:12:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

Why is it when anyone says anything that involves something against brown or black people its racist. I dated black men, I encouraged my daughters to date whomever they want color or nationality. I have an Indian grandchild whom I love dearly. I can honestly day i'm color blind when I see people. I think people need to stop using the race card every time they hear something they don't like

but I know a bunch of gay people, and my cousin is trans. I can't possibly be prejudiced!  

you're generally tone deaf in the posts you make that aren't actively trying to incite responses. to quote an older former colleague, and I'm gonna bleach my keyboard after actually typing this - is your Indian grandchild a dot, or a feather? because you seem to have issues with people that aren't exactly just like you. 

please, just go back to your disgusting cave wherever you live, and take your hatred with you. it seethes from almost every post you make. 

-chiver, posting as a forum member, and not a mod right now. 

One wonders if the Parent of that child who is not related to her by Blood, often feels she is racist too.

[swamp]

Sept 13, 2023 10:42:03 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

In 25 years they will be raging about the Canadian border because someone will figure out how to get more latinos across that border.

They already have.  

And various other nationalities.   

I live on the border.  Human trafficking is huge. 

[chiver78]

Sept 13, 2023 11:09:30 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Sept 12, 2023 15:47:09 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

but I know a bunch of gay people, and my cousin is trans. I can't possibly be prejudiced!  

you're generally tone deaf in the posts you make that aren't actively trying to incite responses. to quote an older former colleague, and I'm gonna bleach my keyboard after actually typing this - is your Indian grandchild a dot, or a feather? because you seem to have issues with people that aren't exactly just like you. 

please, just go back to your disgusting cave wherever you live, and take your hatred with you. it seethes from almost every post you make. 

-chiver, posting as a forum member, and not a mod right now. 

One wonders if the Parent of that child who is not related to her by Blood, often feels she is racist too.

for real, every time I start reading her garbage, I'm hearing it in the voice of the racist old guy who I quoted in the first place. every time. 

[billisonboard]

Sept 13, 2023 9:46:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 13, 2023 9:40:28 GMT -5 scgal said:

wow how far have we gone down the racist bulshit rabbit hole that now just saying I'm not racist is a racist remark. Don't accept that it's the dumbest, easiest cop-out, cry. Immigration should not be easy but harder alot harder. I only mentioned the shooting of wall jumpers to take this to a deeper level obviously you only like to pass along the racist victim card
Sorry not with me play with the other liberal victim criers

Been thinking about this and came up with a couple of ideas re" "deeper level":

1) US companies, frequently with the active support of the US government, worked to create underdeveloped economics in Central America countries. What responsibility do we have to help those currently unable to support themselves in those economies?

2) US demand for drugs is fueling much of the social and economic turmoil in Central America. What responsibility do we have to help those trying to survive in the hell we continue to help create?

Want to discuss either of those?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2023 12:25:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 13, 2023 9:46:25 GMT -5 scgal said:

wow how far have we gone down the racist bulshit rabbit hole that now just saying I'm not racist is a racist remark. Don't accept that it's the dumbest, easiest cop-out, cry. Immigration should not be easy but harder alot harder. I only mentioned the shooting of wall jumpers to take this to a deeper level obviously you only like to pass along the racist victim card
Sorry not with me play with the other liberal victim criers

Been thinking about this and came up with a couple of ideas re" "deeper level":

1) US companies, frequently with the active support of the US government, worked to create underdeveloped economics in Central America countries. What responsibility do we have to help those currently unable to support themselves in those economies?

2) US demand for drugs is fueling much of the social and economic turmoil in Central America. What responsibility do we have to help those trying to survive in the hell we continue to help create?

Want to discuss either of those?

Thank you, Bill.

[dondubble]

Naomi Klein: The Shock Doctrine

I can’t recommend this book enough.

Or this one.

John Perkins: Confessions of an Economic Hitman

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2023 10:53:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I'm really hoping that in 25 years that most of the republican party will be either dead or voted out. They're barely hanging on as is which is why they are trying so hard to suppress voting rights. They know that if they didn't, most of them wouldn't get reelected. Praying that Gen Z and Gen Alpha step up and get to voting!

i am thinking there is a third, more probable outcome.  that they will go the way of the Whigs.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 13, 2023 11:08:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2023 15:12:47 GMT -5 scgal said:

Why is it when anyone says anything that involves something against brown or black people its racist. I dated black men, I encouraged my daughters to date whomever they want color or nationality. I have an Indian grandchild whom I love dearly. I can honestly day i'm color blind when I see people. I think people need to stop using the race card every time they hear something they don't like

Please stop with the "color blind" stuff.

Anti-racism Resources

Colorblindness is the racial ideology that posits the best way to end discrimination is by treating individuals as equally as possible, without regard to race, culture, or ethnicity (Williams, 2011).

At face value, this belief appears to not only amounts to a dismissal of the lived experiences of people of color, but also suggests that racism does not exist so long as one ignores it.
However, within the context of enduring structural and systematic racism, racial colorblindness serves as a device to disengage from conversations of race and racism entirely. (Asare, 2017)

Why Colorblindness Acts to Perpetuates Racism (Camp Kupugani, 2020)

The word "blind" means not being able to see. This means that in terms of racial colorblindness, a person is also choosing to not just see race or skin color, but also the racial disparities, inequities, history of violence and current trauma perpetuated within a racist society

BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and People of Color) will explain that race and ethnicity does matter, as it affects opportunities, perceptions, income, and so much more. Race is not something that BIOPOC person can not remove their skin color and racial identity. It is something the see and live with every day.

When race-related problems arise, colorblindness tends to individualize conflicts and shortcomings, rather than examining the larger picture with cultural differences, stereotypes, and values placed into context.

A colorblind approach allows us to deny uncomfortable cultural differences.

In a colorblind society, White people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society.

What Does Color Racial Colorblindness Look Like?

I don't see color. I just see people.
We're all just people.
I don't care if you're black, white, green, or purple-polka-dotted!
#AllLivesMatter

Anti-racism Resources

Also: Colorblind Ideology Is a Form of Racism

black people tell me this all the time.  failing to acknowledge that they are black doesn't help their situation.  they are disadvantaged by their skin color.  saying you are "color blind" is another way of saying "deal with it".  and because racism is systemic, that is not a solution.  that is a problem.

[tallguy]

I'm going to disagree here.  My experience with the term goes back decades, back to the UCLA basketball dynasty under John Wooden.  He is generally considered even today the best coach in history, and his teams absolutely dominated college basketball.  They won the national championship ten times in twelve years between 1964 and 1975, including seven straight from 1967-1973.  He famously treated everyone by the same rules, and if you didn't follow them, you didn't play.  The late '60s were a time of tremendous racial tensions all over the country, and college athletics were no different.  When a reporter asked one of Wooden's star black players, Curtis Rowe (a very tough, solid, and skilled player who later had an eight-year NBA career and was inducted into the UCLA Athletics Hall of Fame) about racial tensions on the UCLA team and whether Wooden was prejudiced against black players, Rowe answered, "Coach Wooden doesn't see color.  He sees players.”

I would contend that there is nothing about treating people the same, applying the same rules and standards for all, that is in any way dismissive of anyone's "lived experiences."  Nor does it in any way deny the existence of racism in other areas of life, or prevent anyone from fighting against it where they can.  What it does do is say, "There is no racism HERE.  I may not have any control over what happens in the rest of society or the world, but within this area that I do have any degree of control, racism does not and will not exist."  One can argue that sports may be different than the rest of the "real world" in that it is perhaps one of the few areas that can still be a true meritocracy, but I would really hate to think that was the case.  

[tbop77]

They know that America is responsible for most of the border crises:


Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said Wednesday that America's drug epidemic is as much the fault of Americans' demand for the product as it is the cartels smuggling the substances into the U.S., according to a DHS statement issued Thursday.


www.washingtonexaminer.com/dhs-chief-john-kelly-us-drug-demand-causing-central-america-to-suffer-terribly

But how will they rile their base up if the problem was explained or solved?  They would rather say this:


It’s the first time DeSantis, the most outspoken 2024 GOP presidential candidate when it comes to using military force at the border, has explicitly said he’d be open to using missiles against the southern neighbor. At the presidential debate in August, he said he would send U.S. special forces over the border — a statement that a campaign spokesperson later eased back to POLITICO.


www.politico.com/news/2023/09/13/desantis-missiles-against-mexico-00115646

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Sept 14, 2023 7:16:16 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

They know that America is responsible for most of the border crises:


Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said Wednesday that America's drug epidemic is as much the fault of Americans' demand for the product as it is the cartels smuggling the substances into the U.S., according to a DHS statement issued Thursday.


www.washingtonexaminer.com/dhs-chief-john-kelly-us-drug-demand-causing-central-america-to-suffer-terribly

But how will they rile their base up if the problem was explained or solved?  They would rather say this:


It’s the first time DeSantis, the most outspoken 2024 GOP presidential candidate when it comes to using military force at the border, has explicitly said he’d be open to using missiles against the southern neighbor. At the presidential debate in August, he said he would send U.S. special forces over the border — a statement that a campaign spokesperson later eased back to POLITICO.


www.politico.com/news/2023/09/13/desantis-missiles-against-mexico-00115646

Well yeah look what happened in the 1930s with booze.   Instead of keeping people from drinking it gave birth to some of the most legendary criminals ever like Capone and Lucky Luciano.

Once alcohol was legal again the bottom fell out of black market demand.

[chiver78]

exactly. any time this comes up, I point out the success story that is Portugal. I had a bunch of links in a post, but the stupid site ate the post. there's a lot of articles out there, in publications from Time to various medical and legal journals.

my point being - it would mirror the aftermath of the fall of Prohibition.

[tbop77]

If we'd spent half as much money on drug treatment as we have the war on drugs, think what a country this would be.  

Of course, we wouldn't get to lock up a kid that has a small quantity of drugs while we let Perdue off with a slap on the wrist (financially speaking).  

[thyme4change]

Sept 13, 2023 10:53:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I'm really hoping that in 25 years that most of the republican party will be either dead or voted out. They're barely hanging on as is which is why they are trying so hard to suppress voting rights. They know that if they didn't, most of them wouldn't get reelected. Praying that Gen Z and Gen Alpha step up and get to voting!

Describe “barely hanging on”. I would love to believe it is true, but in truth, a significant amount of voters still believe in whatever they think the GOP’s policies are, or should be. They could make a few changes and get the majority back fairly quickly.

[grumpyhermit]

Sept 14, 2023 1:33:54 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I'm going to disagree here.  My experience with the term goes back decades, back to the UCLA basketball dynasty under John Wooden.  He is generally considered even today the best coach in history, and his teams absolutely dominated college basketball.  They won the national championship ten times in twelve years between 1964 and 1975, including seven straight from 1967-1973.  He famously treated everyone by the same rules, and if you didn't follow them, you didn't play.  The late '60s were a time of tremendous racial tensions all over the country, and college athletics were no different.  When a reporter asked one of Wooden's star black players, Curtis Rowe (a very tough, solid, and skilled player who later had an eight-year NBA career and was inducted into the UCLA Athletics Hall of Fame) about racial tensions on the UCLA team and whether Wooden was prejudiced against black players, Rowe answered, "Coach Wooden doesn't see color.  He sees players.”

I would contend that there is nothing about treating people the same, applying the same rules and standards for all, that is in any way dismissive of anyone's "lived experiences."  Nor does it in any way deny the existence of racism in other areas of life, or prevent anyone from fighting against it where they can.  What it does do is say, "There is no racism HERE.  I may not have any control over what happens in the rest of society or the world, but within this area that I do have any degree of control, racism does not and will not exist."  One can argue that sports may be different than the rest of the "real world" in that it is perhaps one of the few areas that can still be a true meritocracy, but I would really hate to think that was the case.  

At it's most benign, statements like this demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of the systemic nature of racism. At worst, they are used as a way to personally absolve oneself of doing the work of truly examining their own internalized biases. 

"Look, I'm not racist! I see people for people. Just because the vast majority of the people negatively impacted by my proposed policy would HAPPEN to be POC is a total coincidence."  Sure. 

[Tennesseer]

Sept 7, 2023 14:51:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 7, 2023 14:03:10 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Just show joe riding a bike juxtaposed to trump having to ride a golf cart when the rest of the g8 walked uphill in Sicily. Then ask who appears healthier. Easy and doesn’t require big words that typical voters can’t understand

looking at it all wrong. Trump would look at it like I'm the POUS why would I walk with other leaders they are beneath me. That is more like it

[happyhoix]

Sept 14, 2023 11:15:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 7, 2023 14:51:10 GMT -5 scgal said:

looking at it all wrong. Trump would look at it like I'm the POUS why would I walk with other leaders they are beneath me. That is more like it

This reminds me of Mitt Romneys book where he talks about attending a meeting with other Republicans. Trump came by to give one of his rambling bullshit speeches. As soon as he left, the room erupted in laughter behind him.

He’s a joke and even the GOP knows it. They’re just too chicken shit to say it to his face, usually.

[andi9899]

Sept 14, 2023 11:09:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Sept 13, 2023 10:53:02 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I'm really hoping that in 25 years that most of the republican party will be either dead or voted out. They're barely hanging on as is which is why they are trying so hard to suppress voting rights. They know that if they didn't, most of them wouldn't get reelected. Praying that Gen Z and Gen Alpha step up and get to voting!

Describe “barely hanging on”. I would love to believe it is true, but in truth, a significant amount of voters still believe in whatever they think the GOP’s policies are, or should be. They could make a few changes and get the majority back fairly quickly.

Only about 30% of the country believes the crap they spew. They know they can't win in a fair election so they're trying to suppress votes for the demographics that vote blue such as POC, young people, etc. At the same time they drum up boogie men for the older uneducated white people to think that they are protecting them from. Their target demographic is dying off, so they're basically trying anything they can to hang onto what little power they have left.

[tallguy]

Sept 14, 2023 11:12:19 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

Sept 14, 2023 1:33:54 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I'm going to disagree here.  My experience with the term goes back decades, back to the UCLA basketball dynasty under John Wooden.  He is generally considered even today the best coach in history, and his teams absolutely dominated college basketball.  They won the national championship ten times in twelve years between 1964 and 1975, including seven straight from 1967-1973.  He famously treated everyone by the same rules, and if you didn't follow them, you didn't play.  The late '60s were a time of tremendous racial tensions all over the country, and college athletics were no different.  When a reporter asked one of Wooden's star black players, Curtis Rowe (a very tough, solid, and skilled player who later had an eight-year NBA career and was inducted into the UCLA Athletics Hall of Fame) about racial tensions on the UCLA team and whether Wooden was prejudiced against black players, Rowe answered, "Coach Wooden doesn't see color.  He sees players.”

I would contend that there is nothing about treating people the same, applying the same rules and standards for all, that is in any way dismissive of anyone's "lived experiences."  Nor does it in any way deny the existence of racism in other areas of life, or prevent anyone from fighting against it where they can.  What it does do is say, "There is no racism HERE.  I may not have any control over what happens in the rest of society or the world, but within this area that I do have any degree of control, racism does not and will not exist."  One can argue that sports may be different than the rest of the "real world" in that it is perhaps one of the few areas that can still be a true meritocracy, but I would really hate to think that was the case.  

At it's most benign, statements like this demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of the systemic nature of racism. At worst, they are used as a way to personally absolve oneself of doing the work of truly examining their own internalized biases. 

"Look, I'm not racist! I see people for people. Just because the vast majority of the people negatively impacted by my proposed policy would HAPPEN to be POC is a total coincidence."  Sure. 

And at its most benign, statements like this demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of...several things, including the English language.  Any conceivable "objection" on your part is already covered in my second paragraph.  There is no actual "blindness" in saying you are colorblind with respect to race.  It is not an overarching worldview saying that racism does not exist or that one cannot see it or fight it where they find it.  At its core, and taken properly, it is a statement of what one can do within their own circle of control, which means exactly that they are fighting it where they can.

I have said many times here that the two ideas that determine pretty much every one of my political positions and personal beliefs are the importance of individual rights and the equal treatment of every person under the law.  Both of those are incompatible with racism or bigotry in any form.  If I see it somewhere else I can still speak out against it, but it is even more powerful to eliminate it where I can.  My circle of control may be on a very small scale, but even person by person, case by case, that is one less case than before.  And nobody in the world can prevent me from eliminating those cases where I can. 

Your second paragraph is just insulting, and unworthy of this discussion.  Now, am I saying that everybody believes as I do, or that they have not co-opted the term to mean something other than I do, or are not simply using it as some facile justification?  No, but your response was to me, personally, and I think you should know who you are talking to before you insult them so easily.   

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 7, 2023 11:23:09 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

You guys certainly like your elder statesmen.

Yeah, Queen Elizabeth was 96 when she died.  King Charles is 74.  Both had/have the ability to step down to a younger generation, but did not. 

This is like the pot calling the kettle black.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 12, 2023 7:29:18 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Sept 12, 2023 6:33:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

what about people who are genuinely seeking asylum?  certainly you don't think THEY should be shot, do you?

also, that is how the current VISA system works.  if you are caught here on an expired Visa (or if your asylum claim fails), you get deported.  before Trump, Obama was the Deporter In Chief.  there is a good chance that Biden will deport more people than Trump.  meanwhile, our lack of net migration and low birth rate are starting to really hurt our ability to produce things.  how do you expect to resolve that problem?  by requiring us to have more kids or something?

No silly!  We are going to kick all these freeloading welfare rats to the curb and they will be happy to work for $7 bucks per hour.  We can put their kids to work too, they don't need an education.  We can have tax cuts for the rich and large corporations and it will trickle down.  Get rid of all the regulations and watch the economy grow~

I just want to know how the US is planning on feeding ourselves, considering no red blooded American is willing to work in slaughter houses or pick vegetables in the field.  There are jobs mostly done by the undocumented.  

What exactly do you think will happen then?