Actual healthcare costs of illegal Immigrants

[Value Buy]

The annual cost to taxpayers for illegal healthcare, which is actually against the law, is 18.5 billion dollars.

And Nancy Pelosi and Chuck cannot come up with five billion to keep them out of the country.

lidblog.com/illegal-immigrants-health-care/ 

[resolution]

In a paper we have just published in the International Journal of Health Services, we systematically reviewed all papers published after the year 2000 related to medical expenditures by immigrant populations. Overwhelmingly, each study came to the same conclusion: immigrants spend one-half to two-thirds as much as US born individuals. US-born individuals make up 90 percent of the population and 93 percent of health expenditures, whereas immigrants make up 12 percent of the population and only 8.6 percent of medical expenditures. And despite the fact that 5 percent of our population is comprised of undocumented immigrants, they make up only 1.4 percent of total expenditures.

Some may say that it is precisely because immigrants are uninsured that they spend less. But that’s not true either. Expenditures for insured immigrants are still 52 percent lower than those of insured US born individuals. Immigrants tend to be younger and healthier when they arrive to the United States, and because of this constitute a low-risk pool that subsidizes the insurance market for US-born individuals. Most surprising of all, two studies by Zallman and colleagues found that immigrants paid more to the Medicare Trust Fund than they withdraw and generated a yearly surplus of $11-$17 billion to Medicare (of which $2-$3 billion were contributed by undocumented immigrants) from 2002 to 2009 and thereby extended the life of Medicare.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/almost-addicted/201808/immigrants-cost-less-subsidize-health-costs-in-us

journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0020731418791963

[tbop77]

Dec 12, 2018 22:20:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The annual cost to taxpayers for illegal healthcare, which is actually against the law, is 18.5 billion dollars.

And Nancy Pelosi and Chuck cannot vome up with five billion to keep them out of the country.

lidblog.com/illegal-immigrants-health-care/ 

Let Mexico pay for it AS PROMISED!  

[billisonboard]

Good informative article that the blog linked to in the OP is talking about: www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#7497afd312c4

[NastyWoman]

Dec 12, 2018 22:20:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The annual cost to taxpayers for illegal healthcare, which is actually against the law, is 18.5 billion dollars.

And Nancy Pelosi and Chuck cannot come up with five billion to keep them out of the country.

lidblog.com/illegal-immigrants-health-care/ 

Actually your cronies haven't been willing to put that money up in the last 2 years when they had ALL the power. Just sayin'

[weltschmerz]

Dec 12, 2018 22:20:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The annual cost to taxpayers for illegal healthcare, which is actually against the law, is 18.5 billion dollars.

And Nancy Pelosi and Chuck cannot come up with five billion to keep them out of the country.

lidblog.com/illegal-immigrants-health-care/ 

Churches in the USA save $72 billion in tax exemptions. Where's your outrage about the annual cost to taxpayers?
That would certainly contribute plenty to the health care coffers.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 12, 2018 22:20:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The annual cost to taxpayers for illegal healthcare, which is actually against the law, is 18.5 billion dollars.

And Nancy Pelosi and Chuck cannot come up with five billion to keep them out of the country.

lidblog.com/illegal-immigrants-health-care/ 

Why should they come up with the five billion. After all, trump just said yet again Mexico would pay for the wall.

Trump again claims Mexico will pay for his wall. Democrats say it means Congress doesn't need to

Even as he threatens to shut down the government unless Congress funds his proposed border wall, President Donald Trump revived his claim that Mexico would pay for the barrier.

In a tweet Thursday, the president contended that his stance on America's southern neighbor funding the wall "has never changed." He claimed his replacement of the North American Free Trade Agreement would cause Mexico to pay for the barrier "just by the money we save." It is unclear how the new trade deal would fund the wall, which carries a price tag of up to $25 billion.

"Well, Mr. President, if you say Mexico is going to pay for the wall through NAFTA, which it certainly won't, then I guess we don't have to. Let's fund the government," the New York Democrat said Thursday on the Senate floor.

Trump again claims Mexico will pay for his wall. Democrats say it means Congress doesn't need to

[Value Buy]

Dec 13, 2018 17:57:52 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 12, 2018 22:20:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The annual cost to taxpayers for illegal healthcare, which is actually against the law, is 18.5 billion dollars.

And Nancy Pelosi and Chuck cannot come up with five billion to keep them out of the country.

lidblog.com/illegal-immigrants-health-care/ 

Why should they come up with the five billion. After all, trump just said yet again Mexico would pay for the wall.

Trump again claims Mexico will pay for his wall. Democrats say it means Congress doesn't need to

Even as he threatens to shut down the government unless Congress funds his proposed border wall, President Donald Trump revived his claim that Mexico would pay for the barrier.

In a tweet Thursday, the president contended that his stance on America's southern neighbor funding the wall "has never changed." He claimed his replacement of the North American Free Trade Agreement would cause Mexico to pay for the barrier "just by the money we save." It is unclear how the new trade deal would fund the wall, which carries a price tag of up to $25 billion.

"Well, Mr. President, if you say Mexico is going to pay for the wall through NAFTA, which it certainly won't, then I guess we don't have to. Let's fund the government," the New York Democrat said Thursday on the Senate floor.

Trump again claims Mexico will pay for his wall. Democrats say it means Congress doesn't need to

And I bet you have no problem that Nancy and Chuck both told Trump he has to comromise with them and yet both have said he gets nothing for the wall. Talk about compromise.

[Value Buy]

Dec 13, 2018 14:31:02 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 12, 2018 22:20:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The annual cost to taxpayers for illegal healthcare, which is actually against the law, is 18.5 billion dollars.

And Nancy Pelosi and Chuck cannot come up with five billion to keep them out of the country.

lidblog.com/illegal-immigrants-health-care/ 

Churches in the USA save $72 billion in tax exemptions. Where's your outrage about the annual cost to taxpayers?
That would certainly contribute plenty to the health care coffers.

Not that it matters to you, but I do not believe any religious institution should receive tax breaks for anything other the actual church building and any school property they may have. Let them pay all taxes, state and Federal, on all other landholdings that are gifted to the church by members, or any land/building they have purchased for their investment portfolios.
I am neutral where those taxes should go other than the general fund where all tax receipts go.

[ednkris]

Russian probe against Trump...failure
The Daca issue ...failure
Hooker gate...failure
Trying to use his bloviation as lying ....failure


He keeps making the liberals and dems heads explode. Just look at this board whine, complain, bitch saying oh Trump this and Trump that ooooh another bad thing yet he is not going anywhere and most likely serve a 2nd term ( thank god ). 

[billisonboard]

Dec 14, 2018 8:10:03 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Russian probe against Trump...failure
The Daca issue ...failure
Hooker gate...failure
Trying to use his bloviation as lying ....failure

.... 

10% tax cut would come into effect before the midterms link ...failure

[Tennesseer]

Dec 14, 2018 7:59:10 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 13, 2018 17:57:52 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Why should they come up with the five billion. After all, trump just said yet again Mexico would pay for the wall.

Trump again claims Mexico will pay for his wall. Democrats say it means Congress doesn't need to

Even as he threatens to shut down the government unless Congress funds his proposed border wall, President Donald Trump revived his claim that Mexico would pay for the barrier.

In a tweet Thursday, the president contended that his stance on America's southern neighbor funding the wall "has never changed." He claimed his replacement of the North American Free Trade Agreement would cause Mexico to pay for the barrier "just by the money we save." It is unclear how the new trade deal would fund the wall, which carries a price tag of up to $25 billion.

"Well, Mr. President, if you say Mexico is going to pay for the wall through NAFTA, which it certainly won't, then I guess we don't have to. Let's fund the government," the New York Democrat said Thursday on the Senate floor.

Trump again claims Mexico will pay for his wall. Democrats say it means Congress doesn't need to

And I bet you have no problem that Nancy and Chuck both told Trump he has to comromise with them and yet both have said he gets nothing for the wall. Talk about compromise.

Why should Nancy and Chuck compromise when trump said Mexico was paying for the wall?

[hurley1980]

Dec 14, 2018 8:10:03 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Russian probe against Trump...failure
The Daca issue ...failure
Hooker gate...failure
Trying to use his bloviation as lying ....failure


He keeps making the liberals and dems heads explode. Just look at this board whine, complain, bitch saying oh Trump this and Trump that ooooh another bad thing yet he is not going anywhere and most likely serve a 2nd term ( thank god ). 

Thanks for this, I needed a good laugh today!

By the way......  we're laughing at you, not with you.

[ednkris]

Dec 14, 2018 13:48:30 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Dec 14, 2018 8:10:03 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Russian probe against Trump...failure
The Daca issue ...failure
Hooker gate...failure
Trying to use his bloviation as lying ....failure


He keeps making the liberals and dems heads explode. Just look at this board whine, complain, bitch saying oh Trump this and Trump that ooooh another bad thing yet he is not going anywhere and most likely serve a 2nd term ( thank god ). 

Thanks for this, I needed a good laugh today!

By the way......  we're laughing at you, not with you.

Your welcome back at ya...I chuckle at liberals all day everyday...like I said liberal heads explode over nothing...but but but Trump Trump this Trump that but but but ....I think I will go watch the election night videos again

[Gardening Grandma]

Dec 14, 2018 8:10:03 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Russian probe against Trump...failure
The Daca issue ...failure
Hooker gate...failure
Trying to use his bloviation as lying ....failure


He keeps making the liberals and dems heads explode. Just look at this board whine, complain, bitch saying oh Trump this and Trump that ooooh another bad thing yet he is not going anywhere and most likely serve a 2nd term ( thank god ). 

Your pronouncements are a bit premature...  

[weltschmerz]

Dec 14, 2018 16:51:07 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 14, 2018 13:48:30 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Thanks for this, I needed a good laugh today!

By the way......  we're laughing at you, not with you.

Your welcome back at ya...I chuckle at liberals all day everyday...like I said liberal heads explode over nothing...but but but Trump Trump this Trump that but but but ....I think I will go watch the election night videos again

You do that. 
And try not to think about what a clusterfuck Trump's reign has been.

[ednkris]

Dec 14, 2018 17:06:58 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Dec 14, 2018 8:10:03 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Russian probe against Trump...failure
The Daca issue ...failure
Hooker gate...failure
Trying to use his bloviation as lying ....failure


He keeps making the liberals and dems heads explode. Just look at this board whine, complain, bitch saying oh Trump this and Trump that ooooh another bad thing yet he is not going anywhere and most likely serve a 2nd term ( thank god ). 

Your pronouncements are a bit premature...  

Oh I'm sure you will let me have it if I'm wrong

[ednkris]

Dec 14, 2018 17:09:46 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 14, 2018 16:51:07 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Your welcome back at ya...I chuckle at liberals all day everyday...like I said liberal heads explode over nothing...but but but Trump Trump this Trump that but but but ....I think I will go watch the election night videos again

You do that. 
And try not to think about what a clusterfuck Trump's reign has been.

that's just it there is no clusterfuck,  my head don't explode over trivial crap. He's doing the job he was sent there to do. Get rid of the last 8 years of liberal garbage and build the economy. All the so called wrong doings is blown up bullshit that's why we smile ...bam another liberal lost their mind

[weltschmerz]

Dec 14, 2018 17:32:18 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 14, 2018 17:09:46 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

You do that. 
And try not to think about what a clusterfuck Trump's reign has been.

that's just it there is no clusterfuck,  my head don't explode over trivial crap. He's doing the job he was sent there to do. Get rid of the last 8 years of liberal garbage and build the economy. All the so called wrong doings is blown up bullshit that's why we smile ...bam another liberal lost their mind

Lol!

If it's all the same to you, I'd rather not take the word of someone who thinks that Chicago and Detroit are in the same state.
Enjoy the inauguration videos. Trump DID say he likes the poorly educated, and you're a prime example.

Make sure your head don't [sic] explode.

[ednkris]

Dec 14, 2018 17:46:43 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 14, 2018 17:32:18 GMT -5 ednkris said:

that's just it there is no clusterfuck,  my head don't explode over trivial crap. He's doing the job he was sent there to do. Get rid of the last 8 years of liberal garbage and build the economy. All the so called wrong doings is blown up bullshit that's why we smile ...bam another liberal lost their mind

Lol!

If it's all the same to you, I'd rather not take the word of someone who thinks that Chicago and Detroit are in the same state.
Enjoy the inauguration videos. Trump DID say he likes the poorly educated, and you're a prime example.

Make sure your head don't [sic] explode.

...if that makes me poorly educated I'll wear that sign....  cheers

[Gardening Grandma]

Dec 14, 2018 17:32:18 GMT -5 ednkris said:

Dec 14, 2018 17:09:46 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

You do that. 
And try not to think about what a clusterfuck Trump's reign has been.

that's just it there is no clusterfuck,  my head don't explode over trivial crap. He's doing the job he was sent there to do. Get rid of the last 8 years of liberal garbage and build the economy. All the so called wrong doings is blown up bullshit that's why we smile ...bam another liberal lost their mind

“trival crap”.  You mean like depriving a 7 year old from water until she dies? Or tear gassing infants and toddlers?  
That must really have you chuckling. 

[jkapp]

Dec 13, 2018 14:31:02 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dec 12, 2018 22:20:00 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The annual cost to taxpayers for illegal healthcare, which is actually against the law, is 18.5 billion dollars.

And Nancy Pelosi and Chuck cannot come up with five billion to keep them out of the country.

lidblog.com/illegal-immigrants-health-care/ 

Churches in the USA save $72 billion in tax exemptions. Where's your outrage about the annual cost to taxpayers?
That would certainly contribute plenty to the health care coffers.

Medicare and Medicaid waste $80 billion every year...where's the outrage about that annual cost to taxpayers?

[Gardening Grandma]

Dec 15, 2018 9:58:20 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 13, 2018 14:31:02 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Churches in the USA save $72 billion in tax exemptions. Where's your outrage about the annual cost to taxpayers?
That would certainly contribute plenty to the health care coffers.

Medicare and Medicaid waste $80 billion every year...where's the outrage about that annual cost to taxpayers?

Link?

[Value Buy]

Dec 15, 2018 10:47:58 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Dec 15, 2018 9:58:20 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Medicare and Medicaid waste $80 billion every year...where's the outrage about that annual cost to taxpayers?

Link?

Ever try google?
Google "estimated annual medicare/medicaid fraud" and take your pick.
CBS SAYS 60 BILLION, on Sixty Minutes (that is ironic) and there was plenty of sources at higher numbers.

www.cbsnews.com/news/medicare-fraud-a-60-billion-crime-23-10-2009/

[Tennesseer]

Dec 15, 2018 11:35:03 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 15, 2018 10:47:58 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Link?

Ever try google?
Google "estimated annual medicare/medicaid fraud" and take your pick.
CBS SAYS 60 BILLION, on Sixty Minutes (that is ironic) and there was plenty of sources at higher numbers.

www.cbsnews.com/news/medicare-fraud-a-60-billion-crime-23-10-2009/

An October 23, 2009 article?

[billisonboard]

Dec 15, 2018 11:35:03 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 15, 2018 10:47:58 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Link?

Ever try google?
Google "estimated annual medicare/medicaid fraud" and take your pick.
CBS SAYS 60 BILLION, on Sixty Minutes (that is ironic) and there was plenty of sources at higher numbers.

www.cbsnews.com/news/medicare-fraud-a-60-billion-crime-23-10-2009/

The claim was "waste", not criminal fraud.

[thyme4change]

All other developed countries would be able to provide the same or better care for half the cost.

[weltschmerz]

Dec 15, 2018 9:58:20 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Dec 13, 2018 14:31:02 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Churches in the USA save $72 billion in tax exemptions. Where's your outrage about the annual cost to taxpayers?
That would certainly contribute plenty to the health care coffers.

Medicare and Medicaid waste $80 billion every year...where's the outrage about that annual cost to taxpayers?

Giving your fellow Americans health care is a waste?

[mroped]

I love it when Trump supporters make the claim “he is doing the job thta he was sent there to do!” 
What job exactly? Tweeting? Enriching his family and acolytes through exemptions from the very EO tha he is signing for the rest of the country? Making claims and promises that he would never keep?
The economy was headed this way, towards a boom. You don’t revive the biggest economy in the world overnight and expect positive results tomorrow morning! It takes years for benefits to show. The same, it takes years for damages to show.
What rubs me the wrong way is that right now we have this know nothing in office that rides the wave of the 8 years of hard work of the previous administration, in another year or so all will be in the crapper, people will get upset and switch over to support a democrat whom will promptly get to work and try to fix or revive things, 8 years will go by and all is good and we decide to shit in the middle of the room AGAIN and elect another moron for president that will again collect all the congratulations for the great job he is doing without doing a damned thing.
Rinse and repeat! And we still don’t learn!

Out of curiosity: what was Trump sent to do? Make everybody hate us? Make us despise each other? All this claims but no concrete example.
If you’d be so kind when you make such a claim, lay out for us the dummies an example of these “great achievements”
Much appreciated!

[Gardening Grandma]

Dec 15, 2018 20:10:31 GMT -5 mroped said:

I love it when Trump supporters make the claim “he is doing the job thta he was sent there to do!” 
What job exactly? Tweeting? Enriching his family and acolytes through exemptions from the very EO tha he is signing for the rest of the country? Making claims and promises that he would never keep?
The economy was headed this way, towards a boom. You don’t revive the biggest economy in the world overnight and expect positive results tomorrow morning! It takes years for benefits to show. The same, it takes years for damages to show.
What rubs me the wrong way is that right now we have this know nothing in office that rides the wave of the 8 years of hard work of the previous administration, in another year or so all will be in the crapper, people will get upset and switch over to support a democrat whom will promptly get to work and try to fix or revive things, 8 years will go by and all is good and we decide to shit in the middle of the room AGAIN and elect another moron for president that will again collect all the congratulations for the great job he is doing without doing a damned thing.
Rinse and repeat! And we still don’t learn!

Out of curiosity: what was Trump sent to do? Make everybody hate us? Make us despise each other? All this claims but no concrete example.
If you’d be so kind when you make such a claim, lay out for us the dummies an example of these “great achievements”
Much appreciated!

This.  A few months ago, trump and his trumpets were crowing about the bull market (which began under Obama).  The economy has been steadily growing since Obama pulled us back from the brink, but trump’s ignorant base pretends this know-nothing has actually accomplished something positive.