Here is a realistic picture of the caravan in Mexico.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 12, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 9, 2018 11:07:21 GMT -5 bean29 said:

The illegal immigrant is not receiving the benefits, the WIC is for the child as are the food stamps they are collecting.

If you believe all the wic and food stamp money is spent just on the children, and not the adults, you are really not going to accept any argument on illegal immigration.

You want to ket American children go hungry unless their parents can prove citizenship?

[Value Buy]

Nov 12, 2018 10:49:47 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 12, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If you believe all the wic and food stamp money is spent just on the children, and not the adults, you are really not going to accept any argument on illegal immigration.

You want to ket American children go hungry unless their parents can prove citizenship?

That is not what I stated and you know that.
I am welling to let the parents fend for theirselves and not on government handouts.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 12, 2018 10:57:58 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 12, 2018 10:49:47 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

You want to ket American children go hungry unless their parents can prove citizenship?

That is not what I stated and you know that.
I am welling to let the parents fend for theirselves and not on government handouts.

I didn’t assert anything. I adked a question.
WIC is SPECIFICALLY for babies, toddlers and their (often nursing) mothers. Do you want a citizenship test for the parents in order for thise children to qualify?

[Value Buy]

Nov 12, 2018 11:17:50 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 12, 2018 10:57:58 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

That is not what I stated and you know that.
I am welling to let the parents fend for theirselves and not on government handouts.

I didn’t assert anything. I adked a question.
WIC is SPECIFICALLY for babies, toddlers and their (often nursing) mothers. Do you want a citizenship test for the parents in order for thise children to qualify?

And again I did not say that.
I want a litmus test that the parents do not eat one bite of food going to an illegal adult alien that the government pays for.
Yes, I know this is impossible, and yet the government enforces so many laws on citizens that we must commit to, that illegals ignore? They are treated more humanely than legal citizens by our government.

[Iggy aka IG]

Because some of our children come to school hungry, our district now offers free breakfasts in addition to lunches.  Our school district also has (Had?  Not sure if they still do it) what they call a backpack program.  On Thursday's (we have a 4 day school week here), qualifying children are given a backpack full of food to last them the weekend.  The issue is some parents trade the food for meth and other drugs.

Or free lunch program now serves 60% of the elementary kids.

Recently my agency donated $$ toward elementary lunch balances.  (You know, because I'm so mean  ) A list of parents who haven't paid for their children's lunches was shown to me.  It was all Spanish names.  Of course I don't know how many are here illegally...?  And I also don't know why they just don't try and qualify for the free program...?

[zibazinski]

Nov 12, 2018 11:46:54 GMT -5 Iggy aka IG said:

Because some of our children come to school hungry, our district now offers free breakfasts in addition to lunches.  Our school district also has (Had?  Not sure if they still do it) what they call a backpack program.  On Thursday's (we have a 4 day school week here), qualifying children are given a backpack full of food to last them the weekend.  The issue is some parents trade the food for meth and other drugs.

Or free lunch program now serves 60% of the elementary kids.

Recently my agency donated $$ toward elementary lunch balances.  (You know, because I'm so mean  ) A list of parents who haven't paid for their children's lunches was shown to me.  It was all Spanish names.  Of course I don't know how many are here illegally...?  And I also don't know why they just don't try and qualify for the free program...?

Probably can't understand English. I'm surprised you're not required to have a Spanish speaking person to explain their "rights" to them.

[zibazinski]

Nov 12, 2018 11:21:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 12, 2018 11:17:50 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

I didn’t assert anything. I adked a question.
WIC is SPECIFICALLY for babies, toddlers and their (often nursing) mothers. Do you want a citizenship test for the parents in order for thise children to qualify?

And again I did not say that.
I want a litmus test that the parents do not eat one bite of food going to an illegal adult alien that the government pays for.
Yes, I know this is impossible, and yet the government enforces so many laws on citizens that we must commit to, that illegals ignore? They are treated more humanely than legal citizens by our government.

I'll say it then. Illegals who drop a baby in this country should not be able to get anything for that baby. This would be one of the easiest ways of deporting illegals but no one does it. 

[thyme4change]

It is like some people's compassion is bound by human kindness instead of randomly drawn lines on a map. Sheesh!

[andi9899]

Nov 12, 2018 11:46:54 GMT -5 Iggy aka IG said:

Because some of our children come to school hungry, our district now offers free breakfasts in addition to lunches.  Our school district also has (Had?  Not sure if they still do it) what they call a backpack program.  On Thursday's (we have a 4 day school week here), qualifying children are given a backpack full of food to last them the weekend.  The issue is some parents trade the food for meth and other drugs.

Or free lunch program now serves 60% of the elementary kids.

Recently my agency donated $$ toward elementary lunch balances.  (You know, because I'm so mean  ) A list of parents who haven't paid for their children's lunches was shown to me.  It was all Spanish names.  Of course I don't know how many are here illegally...?  And I also don't know why they just don't try and qualify for the free program...?

Pretty sure that's probably against some type of privacy law. And how do you know some of them aren't other than Hispanic? One could be a single white woman who at one time was married to a Hispanic person who didn't change their name again after the divorce. What if they were---> l l that much Hispanic, but because the distant Hispanic relative was on their father's side, the name survived? And who makes you as a person who is other than Hispanic (IIRC) an expert on who is of Hispanic decent and who isn't. And if the people on that list that you probably weren't even supposed to be looking at in the first place were American citizens, what is your point? It would then be moot, wouldn't it? Unlike another poster (not you) claimed on another thread, you can't tell a person's citizenship status simply by looking at them or at their name.

[andi9899]

Nov 12, 2018 12:21:43 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Nov 12, 2018 11:46:54 GMT -5 Iggy aka IG said:

Because some of our children come to school hungry, our district now offers free breakfasts in addition to lunches.  Our school district also has (Had?  Not sure if they still do it) what they call a backpack program.  On Thursday's (we have a 4 day school week here), qualifying children are given a backpack full of food to last them the weekend.  The issue is some parents trade the food for meth and other drugs.

Or free lunch program now serves 60% of the elementary kids.

Recently my agency donated $$ toward elementary lunch balances.  (You know, because I'm so mean  ) A list of parents who haven't paid for their children's lunches was shown to me.  It was all Spanish names.  Of course I don't know how many are here illegally...?  And I also don't know why they just don't try and qualify for the free program...?

Probably can't understand English. I'm surprised you're not required to have a Spanish speaking person to explain their "rights" to them.

Every year when my kids would get the beginning of the year papers sent home, there was always an application for free or reduced lunch included. The forms were in English and Spanish. I got one even though I have never received assistance. Try again.

[andi9899]

Nov 12, 2018 12:23:32 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Nov 12, 2018 11:21:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And again I did not say that.
I want a litmus test that the parents do not eat one bite of food going to an illegal adult alien that the government pays for.
Yes, I know this is impossible, and yet the government enforces so many laws on citizens that we must commit to, that illegals ignore? They are treated more humanely than legal citizens by our government.

I'll say it then. Illegals who drop a baby in this country should not be able to get anything for that baby. This would be one of the easiest ways of deporting illegals but no one does it. 

The baby born on US soil is just as much an American citizen as you are. I know that you don't like it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to come up with a thought out articulate argument to all of the short sighted hate sentences you've been throwing out and then leaving since this thread's inception. Well?

[Iggy aka IG]

Nov 12, 2018 12:33:13 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Nov 12, 2018 11:46:54 GMT -5 Iggy aka IG said:

Because some of our children come to school hungry, our district now offers free breakfasts in addition to lunches.  Our school district also has (Had?  Not sure if they still do it) what they call a backpack program.  On Thursday's (we have a 4 day school week here), qualifying children are given a backpack full of food to last them the weekend.  The issue is some parents trade the food for meth and other drugs.

Or free lunch program now serves 60% of the elementary kids.

Recently my agency donated $$ toward elementary lunch balances.  (You know, because I'm so mean  ) A list of parents who haven't paid for their children's lunches was shown to me.  It was all Spanish names.  Of course I don't know how many are here illegally...?  And I also don't know why they just don't try and qualify for the free program...?

Pretty sure that's probably against some type of privacy law. And how do you know some of them aren't other than Hispanic? One could be a single white woman who at one time was married to a Hispanic person who didn't change their name again after the divorce. What if they were---> l l that much Hispanic, but because the distant Hispanic relative was on their father's side, the name survived? And who makes you as a person who is other than Hispanic (IIRC) an expert on who is of Hispanic decent and who isn't. And if the people on that list that you probably weren't even supposed to be looking at in the first place were American citizens, what is your point? It would then be moot, wouldn't it? Unlike another poster (not you) claimed on another thread, you can't tell a person's citizenship status simply by looking at them or at their name.

My point is people having kids then not taking care of them and/or expecting the system to take care of them.  And I said that in my second to last sentence:  I don't know who many are here illegally. 

[weltschmerz]

Nov 12, 2018 12:23:32 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Nov 12, 2018 11:21:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And again I did not say that.
I want a litmus test that the parents do not eat one bite of food going to an illegal adult alien that the government pays for.
Yes, I know this is impossible, and yet the government enforces so many laws on citizens that we must commit to, that illegals ignore? They are treated more humanely than legal citizens by our government.

I'll say it then. Illegals who drop a baby in this country should not be able to get anything for that baby. This would be one of the easiest ways of deporting illegals but no one does it. 

You want the babies to go hungry and receive no medical care?
Why does that not surprise me?

[andi9899]

Nov 12, 2018 13:13:50 GMT -5 Iggy aka IG said:

Nov 12, 2018 12:33:13 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Pretty sure that's probably against some type of privacy law. And how do you know some of them aren't other than Hispanic? One could be a single white woman who at one time was married to a Hispanic person who didn't change their name again after the divorce. What if they were---> l l that much Hispanic, but because the distant Hispanic relative was on their father's side, the name survived? And who makes you as a person who is other than Hispanic (IIRC) an expert on who is of Hispanic decent and who isn't. And if the people on that list that you probably weren't even supposed to be looking at in the first place were American citizens, what is your point? It would then be moot, wouldn't it? Unlike another poster (not you) claimed on another thread, you can't tell a person's citizenship status simply by looking at them or at their name.

My point is people having kids then not taking care of them and/or expecting the system to take care of them.  And I said that in my second to last sentence:  I don't know who many are here illegally. 

So never mind the fact that you were looking at something that invades someone's privacy so long as you get to pass judgment?

How do you know that these people aren't doing their absolute best to take care of their children? Or does that matter? No one should have children unless they could never in any way qualify for any aid? What about people who were solvent when they had children and then one or both parents died or lost their job and now the child's guardian is just trying to keep the kid fed? Perhaps the name on that list is the child's older brother or sister who didn't even have the kid, but got stuck caring for them when the parents died?

What about someone who works at least one if not multiple jobs to keep the lights on but yet makes just a hair above the cutoff to get assistance?

What about an accidental pregnancy? Should all of those be aborted so we're absolutely sure we're never going to have to buy a kid a $1.30 lunch?

You don't know anything about those people or their situations or citizenship. Yet you feel free to pass judgment on people you don't know and are likely never to condescend to speak to because an organization you work or volunteer at donated some money. Money that didn't come out of your pocket, yet you think you should have a say in? Unreal.

[andi9899]

Nov 12, 2018 13:29:12 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Nov 12, 2018 12:23:32 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I'll say it then. Illegals who drop a baby in this country should not be able to get anything for that baby. This would be one of the easiest ways of deporting illegals but no one does it. 

You want the babies to go hungry and receive no medical care?
Why does that not surprise me?

Because racist people who pass judgment on others simply based on their skin color or ethnic sounding name don't generally give a rat's ass about anybody but themselves.

[Iggy aka IG]

Nov 12, 2018 13:29:27 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Nov 12, 2018 13:13:50 GMT -5 Iggy aka IG said:

My point is people having kids then not taking care of them and/or expecting the system to take care of them.  And I said that in my second to last sentence:  I don't know who many are here illegally. 

So never mind the fact that you were looking at something that invades someone's privacy so long as you get to pass judgment?

How do you know that these people aren't doing their absolute best to take care of their children? Or does that matter? No one should have children unless they could never in any way qualify for any aid? What about people who were solvent when they had children and then one or both parents died or lost their job and now the child's guardian is just trying to keep the kid fed? Perhaps the name on that list is the child's older brother or sister who didn't even have the kid, but got stuck caring for them when the parents died?

What about someone who works at least one if not multiple jobs to keep the lights on but yet makes just a hair above the cutoff to get assistance?

What about an accidental pregnancy? Should all of those be aborted so we're absolutely sure we're never going to have to buy a kid a $1.30 lunch?

You don't know anything about those people or their situations or citizenship. Yet you feel free to pass judgment on people you don't know and are likely never to condescend to speak to because an organization you work or volunteer at donated some money. Money that didn't come out of your pocket, yet you think you should have a say in? Unreal.

It does.  Both from my hard earned commissions with donations I choose to make AND forced to via annual taxes.

I'm not passing judgement, just stating facts, as usual.    I understand you're too wound up to read what I initially wrote above about kids going hungry, and our school district attempting to remedy that problem.  I felt it in my heart to donate to the program.  It doesn't matter to me their status.  It obviously didn't, or I would have made that a point of conversation while at the school.

[andi9899]

Nov 12, 2018 13:39:11 GMT -5 Iggy aka IG said:

Nov 12, 2018 13:29:27 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

So never mind the fact that you were looking at something that invades someone's privacy so long as you get to pass judgment?

How do you know that these people aren't doing their absolute best to take care of their children? Or does that matter? No one should have children unless they could never in any way qualify for any aid? What about people who were solvent when they had children and then one or both parents died or lost their job and now the child's guardian is just trying to keep the kid fed? Perhaps the name on that list is the child's older brother or sister who didn't even have the kid, but got stuck caring for them when the parents died?

What about someone who works at least one if not multiple jobs to keep the lights on but yet makes just a hair above the cutoff to get assistance?

What about an accidental pregnancy? Should all of those be aborted so we're absolutely sure we're never going to have to buy a kid a $1.30 lunch?

You don't know anything about those people or their situations or citizenship. Yet you feel free to pass judgment on people you don't know and are likely never to condescend to speak to because an organization you work or volunteer at donated some money. Money that didn't come out of your pocket, yet you think you should have a say in? Unreal.

It does.  Both from my hard earned commissions with donations I choose to make AND forced to via annual taxes.

I'm not passing judgement, just stating facts, as usual.    I understand you're too wound up to read what I initially wrote above about kids going hungry, and our school district attempting to remedy that problem.  I felt it in my heart to donate to the program.  It doesn't matter to me their status.  It obviously didn't, or I would have made that a point of conversation while at the school.

If you willingly donated the money, then why are you judging them? Just don't donate. If you feel you should be donating, stop judging. Again, you don't know anything about those people.

And I meant every word I said about the subject. I'm not too wound up to not see something straight. I read what you posted before posting my reply.

[Iggy aka IG]

Nov 12, 2018 13:44:35 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Nov 12, 2018 13:39:11 GMT -5 Iggy aka IG said:

It does.  Both from my hard earned commissions with donations I choose to make AND forced to via annual taxes.

I'm not passing judgement, just stating facts, as usual.    I understand you're too wound up to read what I initially wrote above about kids going hungry, and our school district attempting to remedy that problem.  I felt it in my heart to donate to the program.  It doesn't matter to me their status.  It obviously didn't, or I would have made that a point of conversation while at the school.

If you willingly donated the money, then why are you judging them? Just don't donate. If you feel you should be donating, stop judging. Again, you don't know anything about those people.

And I meant every word I said about the subject. I'm not too wound up to not see something straight. I read what you posted before posting my reply.

[swamp]

Hey, I haven't seen a single thing in the news since 11/6 about this caravan.

How are they doing?   Are they here yet? 

[buystoys]

From 11/9

link

[swamp]

so they're still 1700 miles away.

Assuming they walk 20 miles a day, it's 85 days before they get here.

Uh huh.  I see why this was crisis. 

[ken a.k.a OMK]

And we have 5,600 (soon to be 7,000) active duty military troops waiting for them. They can't arrest them, seize drugs or search them. 

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 12, 2018 14:56:58 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

And we have 5,600 (soon to be 7,000) active duty military troops waiting for them. They can't arrest them, seize drugs or search them. 

Well armed vigilantes are also on the way...

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 12, 2018 12:38:14 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Nov 12, 2018 12:23:32 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I'll say it then. Illegals who drop a baby in this country should not be able to get anything for that baby. This would be one of the easiest ways of deporting illegals but no one does it. 

The baby born on US soil is just as much an American citizen as you are. I know that you don't like it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to come up with a thought out articulate argument to all of the short sighted hate sentences you've been throwing out and then leaving since this thread's inception. Well?

Which is why people like me are against our lax stance on illegals in this country.  The minute that baby is born here, the parents are allowed to stay and we give all kinds of benefits to the baby and by default, the parents.  We are rewarding people for sneaking into our country. Hell, it is actually a business to bring over Chinese women about to give birth.  Strengthen our borders and I'm all for all babies born here being citizens. I am not ok with our system as it is now.

[andi9899]

Nov 12, 2018 15:34:09 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 12, 2018 12:38:14 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The baby born on US soil is just as much an American citizen as you are. I know that you don't like it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to come up with a thought out articulate argument to all of the short sighted hate sentences you've been throwing out and then leaving since this thread's inception. Well?

Which is why people like me are against our lax stance on illegals in this country.  The minute that baby is born here, the parents are allowed to stay and we give all kinds of benefits to the baby and by default, the parents.  We are rewarding people for sneaking into our country. Hell, it is actually a business to bring over Chinese women about to give birth.  Strengthen our borders and I'm all for all babies born here being citizens. I am not ok with our system as it is now.

I don't think anyone said that the system wasn't broken. But there are other ways to deal with things that don't involve separating children from their parents and putting them in dog cages. You know, like learning where the weaknesses in the system are and trying to fix it.

Building a wall isn't going to fix what's broken. Neither is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to send troops to the border to confront people who are asking for asylum which they have a right to do. Would that money not be better spent overhauling the broken system?

He's had over a year to start working on it. Some weaknesses could have been fixed by now. But you're right, let's instead go vigilante on innocent people and traumatize children.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 12, 2018 15:34:09 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 12, 2018 12:38:14 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

The baby born on US soil is just as much an American citizen as you are. I know that you don't like it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to come up with a thought out articulate argument to all of the short sighted hate sentences you've been throwing out and then leaving since this thread's inception. Well?

Which is why people like me are against our lax stance on illegals in this country.  The minute that baby is born here, the parents are allowed to stay and we give all kinds of benefits to the baby and by default, the parents.  We are rewarding people for sneaking into our country. Hell, it is actually a business to bring over Chinese women about to give birth.  Strengthen our borders and I'm all for all babies born here being citizens. I am not ok with our system as it is now.

The issue of birthright citizenship is a separate issue with arguments on both sides.  But the current law is what it is.  

However, the bolded part above simply is not true.  It's a falsehood bandied about by some conservatives sources and parroted by those who can't be bothered with actual facts.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/the-myth-of-the-anchor-baby-deportation-defense/?utm_term=.a7dea454f11f


www.quora.com/Can-parents-be-deported-even-if-their-child-is-a-citizen-under-US-law

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 12, 2018 15:41:29 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

Nov 12, 2018 15:34:09 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Which is why people like me are against our lax stance on illegals in this country.  The minute that baby is born here, the parents are allowed to stay and we give all kinds of benefits to the baby and by default, the parents.  We are rewarding people for sneaking into our country. Hell, it is actually a business to bring over Chinese women about to give birth.  Strengthen our borders and I'm all for all babies born here being citizens. I am not ok with our system as it is now.

I don't think anyone said that the system wasn't broken. But there are other ways to deal with things that don't involve separating children from their parents and putting them in dog cages. You know, like learning where the weaknesses in the system are and trying to fix it.

Building a wall isn't going to fix what's broken. Neither is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to send troops to the border to confront people who are asking for asylum which they have a right to do. Would that money not be better spent overhauling the broken system?

He's had over a year to start working on it. Some weaknesses could have been fixed by now. But you're right, let's instead go vigilante on innocent people and traumatize children.

Huh?  Please show me where I said anywhere that we need to go vigilante.

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 12, 2018 15:46:32 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 12, 2018 15:34:09 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Which is why people like me are against our lax stance on illegals in this country.  The minute that baby is born here, the parents are allowed to stay and we give all kinds of benefits to the baby and by default, the parents.  We are rewarding people for sneaking into our country. Hell, it is actually a business to bring over Chinese women about to give birth.  Strengthen our borders and I'm all for all babies born here being citizens. I am not ok with our system as it is now.

The issue of birthright citizenship is a separate issue with arguments on both sides.  But the current law is what it is.  

However, the bolded part above simply is not true.  It's a falsehood bandied about by some conservatives sources and parroted by those who can't be bothered with actual facts.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/the-myth-of-the-anchor-baby-deportation-defense/?utm_term=.a7dea454f11f


www.quora.com/Can-parents-be-deported-even-if-their-child-is-a-citizen-under-US-law

Under former President Barack Obama, Capps said, immigrants facing deportation had more of an incentive to disclose that they had citizen children because the administration followed a policy of “prosecutorial discretion.” In practice, that meant that ICE officials during the Obama presidency were less interested in locating and deporting people with strong ties to the United States if they had no serious criminal record.

Before Trump, former presidents George W. Bush, a Republican, and Obama, a Democrat, had both urged Congress to pass legislation that would have created a path to earned legal status for some undocumented immigrants with deep roots.

www.publicintegrity.org/2018/10/12/22333/ice-data-tens-thousands-deported-parents-have-us-citizen-kids

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 12, 2018 16:16:48 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 12, 2018 15:46:32 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

The issue of birthright citizenship is a separate issue with arguments on both sides.  But the current law is what it is.  

However, the bolded part above simply is not true.  It's a falsehood bandied about by some conservatives sources and parroted by those who can't be bothered with actual facts.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/the-myth-of-the-anchor-baby-deportation-defense/?utm_term=.a7dea454f11f


www.quora.com/Can-parents-be-deported-even-if-their-child-is-a-citizen-under-US-law

Under former President Barack Obama, Capps said, immigrants facing deportation had more of an incentive to disclose that they had citizen children because the administration followed a policy of “prosecutorial discretion.” In practice, that meant that ICE officials during the Obama presidency were less interested in locating and deporting people with strong ties to the United States if they had no serious criminal record.

Before Trump, former presidents George W. Bush, a Republican, and Obama, a Democrat, had both urged Congress to pass legislation that would have created a path to earned legal status for some undocumented immigrants with deep roots.

www.publicintegrity.org/2018/10/12/22333/ice-data-tens-thousands-deported-parents-have-us-citizen-kids

Nothing there says having a citizen child is a "get in free" card. 

[andi9899]

Nov 12, 2018 16:07:24 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Nov 12, 2018 15:41:29 GMT -5 andi9899 said:

I don't think anyone said that the system wasn't broken. But there are other ways to deal with things that don't involve separating children from their parents and putting them in dog cages. You know, like learning where the weaknesses in the system are and trying to fix it.

Building a wall isn't going to fix what's broken. Neither is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to send troops to the border to confront people who are asking for asylum which they have a right to do. Would that money not be better spent overhauling the broken system?

He's had over a year to start working on it. Some weaknesses could have been fixed by now. But you're right, let's instead go vigilante on innocent people and traumatize children.

Huh?  Please show me where I said anywhere that we need to go vigilante.

This is exactly what DT is doing. By supporting him, you're agreeing with him at least in part. Stop playing semantics.