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Post by dezii on Oct 28, 2018 1:10:18 GMT -5
I don't feel strongly about them coming in. They are already here, you are kidding yourself if you think you are going to keep them out. I don't like the idea our country is changing either, but it already has. Your hero reagon started it, if he hadn't given amnesty back then and if through the years the laws against employers had been enforced by both parties we would not be where were are now. We lived in Texas for 30 years, I saw the mess, I saw the problems. but the rich wanted that cheap labor. They left us all to deal with their problem they created, they made enough money off them to live above it. We moved back because of his mom but that wasn't the total reason, I didn't like how it was either. But instead of legally doing what needs to be done to fix it, they are just blustering and going on. Tell me how you are going to fix it? None of you are doing it, employer sanctions is the way, no jobs, no draw. Then yoy have to get Americans to work at those jobs that pay little and live 10 to a house, good luck with that. You see........the problem is American's have given up the spirit of self sufficiency and holding elected representatives acountable for their actions. This is what MAGA is all about. It is not racism as claimed. It is to recapture what is, or was good about America. If you do not follow laws, you have no country. You expect our state and federal government agencies to pay the migrants because they are poor and pay for their healthccare at the hospitals, while ignoring the citizens, and yet you also demand our government help the citizens when you know there is not enough money to take care of our citizens let alone illegal migrants. You know they are coming illegally and you throw your hands up and say oh well, what can we do it about it? We can not stop them so let them in. Sorry, we send troops to protect foreign country's borders and yet you say we cannot protect our own borders because it is not fair to anyone who thinks they can move here. Kruschev was correct, we are soft and will be buried. Khrushchev was a commissar [political leader] during WW2 , or as they like to call it, the patriotic war... He gave the direction for the NKVD [Secret police] to machine gun down Russian conscripts if they retreated...he also was from the time of the Soviet Union where millions of Russians , thought to be dissidents, if not killed, where sent off to slave labor camps in Siberia.. As where thousands and thousands of Russian former POW's returned to Russia after the war, after surviving the POW camps, so many didn't, were sent off to those Siberian camps because Stalin ..and the commissars...were suspicious of how contaminated those POW's were from contact with those in the West.[Germans and Western allies] So u are suggesting we toughen up ,like Khrushchev suggested...The machine gunning or the prison camps or both?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2018 1:11:33 GMT -5
I don't like what has happened and is happening. But no one wanted to fix it, everybody kept pushing it down the road. The fix trump has isn't going to do sh**. It's just going to waste more money. The people reaping the money off them don't want to change it, they are getting rich. They have already sold their souls, they can live in enclaves or in another country with people paid to keep the secure, what do they care. We are seeing that now. Our country is in a world of hurt. I told hubs the other day if it wasn't so cold there I would actually consider moving to Canada but at our age we just need to finish this out. I never thought I would live to see the day we have people supporting someone like trump. We have already lost our democracy and our goodness I think. To see people at those rallys is very disturbing, maybe we really are in the end times. I thought that was silly, now I'm starting to wonder. He is actually evil and they seem to not even see it but lap it up. We just had past presidents, members of the free press, and representatives threatened with death and then a lot of jewish people killed and he just acts like its nothing. No sympathy, back screaming his venom again tonight. How is anything going to get better. I worry even if we vote for dems will they actually be counted. They said a president doesn't make that much difference, now maybe people will see it does. Will we continue as a democracy or will he actually turn us over to putin. I just cannot put forth the seriousness of this situation. If the dems don't take over at least the house I will start stocking up big time. If they do they may be able to slow this mess down and fix a little of it. Let's hope. Pick up and move to Canada? You think people can just move to Canada if they feel like it? I hate to break it to you, but it's not that easy. Canada would probably not accept you, sorry to say.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2018 1:17:47 GMT -5
You see........the problem is American's have given up the spirit of self sufficiency and holding elected representatives acountable for their actions. This is what MAGA is all about. It is not racism as claimed. It is to recapture what is, or was good about America. If you do not follow laws, you have no country. You expect our state and federal government agencies to pay the migrants because they are poor and pay for their healthccare at the hospitals, while ignoring the citizens, and yet you also demand our government help the citizens when you know there is not enough money to take care of our citizens let alone illegal migrants. You know they are coming illegally and you throw your hands up and say oh well, what can we do it about it? We can not stop them so let them in. Sorry, we send troops to protect foreign country's borders and yet you say we cannot protect our own borders because it is not fair to anyone who thinks they can move here. Kruschev was correct, we are soft and will be buried. Khrushchev was a commissar [political leader] during WW2 , or as they like to call it, the patriotic war... He gave the direction for the NKVD [Secret police] to machine gun down Russian conscripts if they retreated...he also was from the time of the Soviet Union where millions of Russians , thought to be dissidents, if not killed, where sent off to slave labor camps in Siberia.. A s where thousands and thousands of Russian former POW's returned to Russia after the war, after surviving the POW camps, so many didn't, were sent off to those Siberian camps because Stalin ..and the commissars...were suspicious of how contaminated those POW's were from contact with those in the West.[Germans and Western allies] So u are suggesting we toughen up ,like Khrushchev suggested...The machine gunning or the prison camps or both? Yeah, that's why my parents, after being rescued from German labour camps, refused to go back to Russia. They chose to come to Canada, even though they knew virtually NOTHING about it. Zip.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Oct 28, 2018 1:34:15 GMT -5
I'm sure that is correct, I believe you have to be healthy, younger, and have a lot of money.
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Post by dezii on Oct 28, 2018 2:08:24 GMT -5
Khrushchev was a commissar [political leader] during WW2 , or as they like to call it, the patriotic war... He gave the direction for the NKVD [Secret police] to machine gun down Russian conscripts if they retreated...he also was from the time of the Soviet Union where millions of Russians , thought to be dissidents, if not killed, where sent off to slave labor camps in Siberia.. A s where thousands and thousands of Russian former POW's returned to Russia after the war, after surviving the POW camps, so many didn't, were sent off to those Siberian camps because Stalin ..and the commissars...were suspicious of how contaminated those POW's were from contact with those in the West.[Germans and Western allies] So u are suggesting we toughen up ,like Khrushchev suggested...The machine gunning or the prison camps or both? Yeah, that's why my parents, after being rescued from German labour camps, refused to go back to Russia. They chose to come to Canada, even though they knew virtually NOTHING about it. Zip. Smart Parents
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Post by bean29 on Oct 28, 2018 4:20:09 GMT -5
You see........the problem is American's have given up the spirit of self sufficiency and holding elected representatives acountable for their actions. This is what MAGA is all about. It is not racism as claimed. setting aside your assertion that anyone claimed MAGA is "about racism" for a minute, how about this for a suggestion:
it is not about either of those things. i will also add this: "self sufficiency" is very different when you are Trump than when you are somebody who was raised in a ghetto by a single parent. $1M is not a "small loan" for most of us. i know, because i got a "small loan". i worked like hell to get a "small loan" for $25k so that i could buy marketing materials for my first business. it was guaranteed by a state agency because my credit sucked. and mind you, i came from a relatively privileged background. anyone with less of a background would never have got that loan. and that, in essence, is the issue. "self sufficiency" is coded language, imo. it makes one feel good about their fortune. and it allows you to disparage those who have none.
Yes I do see MAGA as a dog whistle for Racism. He is using Mexicans to rile up his base and stirring hatred an racism against Mexicans. We pay taxes just like everyone else. Even if Mexicans use Unemployment Insurance or some form of healthcare or food stamps available to them, that is a benefit they are qualified to receive. Last I knew there were no racial qualifications for these programs, they are only financial. I know lots of Mexicans and they all Work. It is not really willingness to work for low wages that makes them desirable workers. They work hard, for decent wages, and they show up every day. The Mexicans I know are pretty much like other white/black/brown/rich/poor/in-between families, all seem to have a member here or there that is an alcoholic/drug addict or mentally ill. Trump likes to throw them all in a pot and call them criminal illegals. And now republicans are calling Democrats Socialists and calling us a Mob. That is just insulting, and just shows that they will not work across the isle to solve any issues. Their attitude is my way or the highway.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2018 5:16:18 GMT -5
I'm sure that is correct, I believe you have to be healthy, younger, and have a lot of money. You have to be fleeing civil war, famine, genocide, homophobia, FGM, etc. Or you have to have a Canadian sponsor, or have a skill set we desperately need, or can start a business which will employ Canadians. Otherwise, you're out of luck. The best you can do is come up here for six months at a time. Not a day longer.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 28, 2018 11:51:27 GMT -5
How many millions are spent on illegals vs what they supposedly pay in taxes? billions. how much economic benefit is derived from them being here? NOTE: i am NOT an advocate for illegal labor. i am adamantly opposed to it. just keeping it real.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 28, 2018 11:53:56 GMT -5
do you think that people just stand around and guess?
there are about (10) different ways of figuring it out. if you don't buy this article, i can find a really thoughtful analysis from a guy at a Libertarian think tank that backs me up: side note: please ask Google first. you are wasting my time with these readily provable facts.
I googled , How many Illegals does the lawn service that I use,, employ,, Hmmmm, it didn't know the answer,, neither does your expert! one of the signs of good academic work is the failure to employ anecdotes. you are not going to win an argument against such work by doing so.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 28, 2018 13:29:40 GMT -5
I'm sure that is correct, I believe you have to be healthy, younger, and have a lot of money. Canada has very specific immigration requirements, which are even more onerous than those used to get into the US. Even with my husband a dual citizen, I'd have hoops to jump through and would be stuck in Canada for years until my paperwork was through if I decided to do so. TD has a cousin whose wife has been waiting for 7 years to get her final paperwork. She's not been allowed to leave Canada during this time, not even to attend the family reunion this year, which happened to be on this side of the border. I do think it's interesting when people in the US just think that they can immigrate to Canada without jumping through all their hoops. Also, there are areas of Canada that are much warmer than where you are in Indiana.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2018 13:48:13 GMT -5
I'm sure that is correct, I believe you have to be healthy, younger, and have a lot of money. Canada has very specific immigration requirements, which are even more onerous than those used to get into the US. Even with my husband a dual citizen, I'd have hoops to jump through and would be stuck in Canada for years until my paperwork was through if I decided to do so. TD has a cousin whose wife has been waiting for 7 years to get her final paperwork. She's not been allowed to leave Canada during this time, not even to attend the family reunion this year, which happened to be on this side of the border. I do think it's interesting when people in the US just think that they can immigrate to Canada without jumping through all their hoops. Also, there are areas of Canada that are much warmer than where you are in Indiana.This is true. There are palm trees in British Columbia.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Oct 28, 2018 22:14:52 GMT -5
We went to Lemmingon, Canada I believe was the name, it was a really nice area. They were building miles and miles of greenhouses. There were tons of Hispanics that must have just come in. They were walking and riding bikes, I'm sure they were there to work in those greenhouses. Now I'm seeming produce coming in from there in the stores. How can they produce it cheaper then here and import it. I got in the wrong line coming over the border and there were semis far as the eye could see bringing stuff in here. And we wonder where the jobs have gone. Look at all the semi trailers on the trains. Everything is made everywhere but here.
We are so dependent on other countries if they cut us off for a couple of months we would be in dire straits. I'm not sure we could run a war anymore if they did. I guess its a good thing everyone is so greedy and puts money over everything else or we would be done for.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 28, 2018 22:25:00 GMT -5
We went to Lemmingon, Canada I believe was the name, it was a really nice area. They were building miles and miles of greenhouses. There were tons of Hispanics that must have just come in. They were walking and riding bikes, I'm sure they were there to work in those greenhouses. Now I'm seeming produce coming in from there in the stores. How can they produce it cheaper then here and import it. I got in the wrong line coming over the border and there were semis far as the eye could see bringing stuff in here. And we wonder where the jobs have gone. Look at all the semi trailers on the trains. Everything is made everywhere but here. We are so dependent on other countries if they cut us off for a couple of months we would be in dire straits. I'm not sure we could run a war anymore if they did. I guess its a good thing everyone is so greedy and puts money over everything else or we would be done for. Leamington, in Ontario? It's the tomato capital of Canada.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Oct 28, 2018 22:30:50 GMT -5
Yes that was the name, met a bunch of RVers up there at a park. We had a great time, I think it was summer before last as I haven't been able to go this year or last because of my foot problem darn it.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 29, 2018 0:22:03 GMT -5
Seriously, this is actually a point I understand.
Hold on. I was trying to quote VB.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Oct 29, 2018 0:28:22 GMT -5
I don't feel strongly about them coming in. They are already here, you are kidding yourself if you think you are going to keep them out. I don't like the idea our country is changing either, but it already has. Your hero reagon started it, if he hadn't given amnesty back then and if through the years the laws against employers had been enforced by both parties we would not be where were are now. We lived in Texas for 30 years, I saw the mess, I saw the problems. but the rich wanted that cheap labor. They left us all to deal with their problem they created, they made enough money off them to live above it. We moved back because of his mom but that wasn't the total reason, I didn't like how it was either. But instead of legally doing what needs to be done to fix it, they are just blustering and going on. Tell me how you are going to fix it? None of you are doing it, employer sanctions is the way, no jobs, no draw. Then yoy have to get Americans to work at those jobs that pay little and live 10 to a house, good luck with that. You see........the problem is American's have given up the spirit of self sufficiency and holding elected representatives acountable for their actions. This is what MAGA is all about. It is not racism as claimed. It is to recapture what is, or was good about America. If you do not follow laws, you have no country. You expect our state and federal government agencies to pay the migrants because they are poor and pay for their healthccare at the hospitals, while ignoring the citizens, and yet you also demand our government help the citizens when you know there is not enough money to take care of our citizens let alone illegal migrants. You know they are coming illegally and you throw your hands up and say oh well, what can we do it about it? We can not stop them so let them in. Sorry, we send troops to protect foreign country's borders and yet you say we cannot protect our own borders because it is not fair to anyone who thinks they can move here. Kruschev was correct, we are soft and will be buried. This. This makes sense to me.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 29, 2018 8:04:35 GMT -5
setting aside your assertion that anyone claimed MAGA is "about racism" for a minute, how about this for a suggestion:
it is not about either of those things. i will also add this: "self sufficiency" is very different when you are Trump than when you are somebody who was raised in a ghetto by a single parent. $1M is not a "small loan" for most of us. i know, because i got a "small loan". i worked like hell to get a "small loan" for $25k so that i could buy marketing materials for my first business. it was guaranteed by a state agency because my credit sucked. and mind you, i came from a relatively privileged background. anyone with less of a background would never have got that loan. and that, in essence, is the issue. "self sufficiency" is coded language, imo. it makes one feel good about their fortune. and it allows you to disparage those who have none.
Yes I do see MAGA as a dog whistle for Racism. He is using Mexicans to rile up his base and stirring hatred an racism against Mexicans. We pay taxes just like everyone else. Even if Mexicans use Unemployment Insurance or some form of healthcare or food stamps available to them, that is a benefit they are qualified to receive. Last I knew there were no racial qualifications for these programs, they are only financial. I know lots of Mexicans and they all Work. It is not really willingness to work for low wages that makes them desirable workers. They work hard, for decent wages, and they show up every day. The Mexicans I know are pretty much like other white/black/brown/rich/poor/in-between families, all seem to have a member here or there that is an alcoholic/drug addict or mentally ill. Trump likes to throw them all in a pot and call them criminal illegals. And now republicans are calling Democrats Socialists and calling us a Mob. That is just insulting, and just shows that they will not work across the isle to solve any issues. Their attitude is my way or the highway. MAGA absolutely IS a racist dog whistle.... Not just Hispanics, but Blacks, Jews, Muslims, anyone who isn’t a white “Christian”.... Make America the way it Used to be - when it was OK to be openly bigoted..... That is what is really means and who it is speaking to.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 29, 2018 8:25:23 GMT -5
You see........the problem is American's have given up the spirit of self sufficiency and holding elected representatives acountable for their actions. This is what MAGA is all about. It is not racism as claimed. It is to recapture what is, or was good about America. If you do not follow laws, you have no country. You expect our state and federal government agencies to pay the migrants because they are poor and pay for their healthccare at the hospitals, while ignoring the citizens, and yet you also demand our government help the citizens when you know there is not enough money to take care of our citizens let alone illegal migrants. You know they are coming illegally and you throw your hands up and say oh well, what can we do it about it? We can not stop them so let them in. Sorry, we send troops to protect foreign country's borders and yet you say we cannot protect our own borders because it is not fair to anyone who thinks they can move here. Kruschev was correct, we are soft and will be buried. Let me clue you in on a few things...like who is it that keeps hiring the illegals? Who do YOU think hires them? Why aren't the employers being arrested & prosecuted instead of just rounding up illegals for deportation?....oh yeh, it's cause most of them are WHITE MEN! It's because it is the farmers who hire them, the chicken & other meat processing plants, it's all aspects of ag and the associated industries that follow that...why?...cause they can pay them less than they would have to pay an actual US citizen and often get away with not providing any health care either cause if an illegal needs medical attention...just send them to the local ER & let the tax payers pick up the tab since hospitals are legally required to treat them whether they get payment or not. Why do you think so many small, rural hospitals have closed down in recent years...making it more difficult for the rest of us rural residents to get proper medical care...or having to drive distances...like 40-50 mi. for good care! If you want to stop illegal entries...GO AFTER THOSE WHO HIRE THEM...STOP IT AT THE TOP, NOT THE BOTTOM! PUT THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS IN JAIL! How much you want to bet nearly all illegals would stop coming here or the numbers would go down tremendously!
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Post by swamp on Oct 29, 2018 8:49:40 GMT -5
You see........the problem is American's have given up the spirit of self sufficiency and holding elected representatives acountable for their actions. This is what MAGA is all about. It is not racism as claimed. It is to recapture what is, or was good about America. If you do not follow laws, you have no country. You expect our state and federal government agencies to pay the migrants because they are poor and pay for their healthccare at the hospitals, while ignoring the citizens, and yet you also demand our government help the citizens when you know there is not enough money to take care of our citizens let alone illegal migrants. You know they are coming illegally and you throw your hands up and say oh well, what can we do it about it? We can not stop them so let them in. Sorry, we send troops to protect foreign country's borders and yet you say we cannot protect our own borders because it is not fair to anyone who thinks they can move here. Kruschev was correct, we are soft and will be buried. Let me clue you in on a few things...like who is it that keeps hiring the illegals? Who do YOU think hires them? Why aren't the employers being arrested & prosecuted instead of just rounding up illegals for deportation?....oh yeh, it's cause most of them are WHITE MEN! It's because it is the farmers who hire them, the chicken & other meat processing plants, it's all aspects of ag and the associated industries that follow that...why?...cause they can pay them less than they would have to pay an actual US citizen and often get away with not providing any health care either cause if an illegal needs medical attention...just send them to the local ER & let the tax payers pick up the tab since hospitals are legally required to treat them whether they get payment or not. Why do you think so many small, rural hospitals have closed down in recent years...making it more difficult for the rest of us rural residents to get proper medical care...or having to drive distances...like 40-50 mi. for good care! If you want to stop illegal entries...GO AFTER THOSE WHO HIRE THEM...STOP IT AT THE TOP, NOT THE BOTTOM! PUT THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS IN JAIL! How much you want to bet nearly all illegals would stop coming here or the numbers would go down tremendously! I don't understand why enforcement focuses on the workers, not the employers. Well, I do. The economy is based on the cheap labor provided by illegals. Taking the measures required to stop employers from hiring illegals would result in a huge spike in food prices. People don't want that, and it would cause a backlash towards the government. So, in the meantime, we pretend we are doing something (rounding up the illegals and sending them back home), it looks good, the corporations are happy, people get their cheap food, and life goes on.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 29, 2018 10:27:46 GMT -5
Let me clue you in on a few things...like who is it that keeps hiring the illegals? Who do YOU think hires them? Why aren't the employers being arrested & prosecuted instead of just rounding up illegals for deportation?....oh yeh, it's cause most of them are WHITE MEN! It's because it is the farmers who hire them, the chicken & other meat processing plants, it's all aspects of ag and the associated industries that follow that...why?...cause they can pay them less than they would have to pay an actual US citizen and often get away with not providing any health care either cause if an illegal needs medical attention...just send them to the local ER & let the tax payers pick up the tab since hospitals are legally required to treat them whether they get payment or not. Why do you think so many small, rural hospitals have closed down in recent years...making it more difficult for the rest of us rural residents to get proper medical care...or having to drive distances...like 40-50 mi. for good care! If you want to stop illegal entries...GO AFTER THOSE WHO HIRE THEM...STOP IT AT THE TOP, NOT THE BOTTOM! PUT THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS IN JAIL! How much you want to bet nearly all illegals would stop coming here or the numbers would go down tremendously! I don't understand why enforcement focuses on the workers, not the employers. Well, I do. The economy is based on the cheap labor provided by illegals. Taking the measures required to stop employers from hiring illegals would result in a huge spike in food prices. People don't want that, and it would cause a backlash towards the government. So, in the meantime, we pretend we are doing something (rounding up the illegals and sending them back home), it looks good, the corporations are happy, people get their cheap food, and life goes on. If they went after the employers, they wouldn’t have tbe easy scapegoat to point to.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 30, 2018 8:18:10 GMT -5
We tried, but that mother fucker Sheriff Joe decided it was better to break a bunch of laws instead of enforce them.
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Post by oped on Oct 30, 2018 8:36:49 GMT -5
Anyone ever watch Raising Hope... that show was so well written.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 30, 2018 8:59:01 GMT -5
Yes I do see MAGA as a dog whistle for Racism. He is using Mexicans to rile up his base and stirring hatred an racism against Mexicans. We pay taxes just like everyone else. Even if Mexicans use Unemployment Insurance or some form of healthcare or food stamps available to them, that is a benefit they are qualified to receive. Last I knew there were no racial qualifications for these programs, they are only financial. I know lots of Mexicans and they all Work. It is not really willingness to work for low wages that makes them desirable workers. They work hard, for decent wages, and they show up every day. The Mexicans I know are pretty much like other white/black/brown/rich/poor/in-between families, all seem to have a member here or there that is an alcoholic/drug addict or mentally ill. Trump likes to throw them all in a pot and call them criminal illegals. And now republicans are calling Democrats Socialists and calling us a Mob. That is just insulting, and just shows that they will not work across the isle to solve any issues. Their attitude is my way or the highway. MAGA absolutely IS a racist dog whistle.... Not just Hispanics, but Blacks, Jews, Muslims, anyone who isn’t a white “Christian”.... Make America the way it Used to be - when it was OK to be openly bigoted..... That is what is really means and who it is speaking to. Yes, those racist "White Christians" like the ones that took in the asylum seekers,,,
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 30, 2018 9:24:04 GMT -5
Anyone ever watch Raising Hope... that show was so well written. I watched it - not faithfully, but have seen many episodes. How does that relate here?
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 30, 2018 9:37:11 GMT -5
I'm sure that is correct, I believe you have to be healthy, younger, and have a lot of money. You have to be fleeing civil war, famine, genocide, homophobia, FGM, etc. Or you have to have a Canadian sponsor, or have a skill set we desperately need, or can start a business which will employ Canadians. Otherwise, you're out of luck. The best you can do is come up here for six months at a time. Not a day longer. Yea, kinda amazing ,, Canada has rules that are to be followed,, U.S. It's just let them in,,
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 30, 2018 9:39:54 GMT -5
How many millions are spent on illegals vs what they supposedly pay in taxes? billions. how much economic benefit is derived from them being here? NOTE: i am NOT an advocate for illegal labor. i am adamantly opposed to it. just keeping it real.
You said that where you live, there are lots of Dreamers,, do their Mom's and Dad's have papers?
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 30, 2018 9:52:21 GMT -5
We have rules.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 30, 2018 11:12:18 GMT -5
Let me clue you in on a few things...like who is it that keeps hiring the illegals? Who do YOU think hires them? Why aren't the employers being arrested & prosecuted instead of just rounding up illegals for deportation?....oh yeh, it's cause most of them are WHITE MEN! It's because it is the farmers who hire them, the chicken & other meat processing plants, it's all aspects of ag and the associated industries that follow that...why?...cause they can pay them less than they would have to pay an actual US citizen and often get away with not providing any health care either cause if an illegal needs medical attention...just send them to the local ER & let the tax payers pick up the tab since hospitals are legally required to treat them whether they get payment or not. Why do you think so many small, rural hospitals have closed down in recent years...making it more difficult for the rest of us rural residents to get proper medical care...or having to drive distances...like 40-50 mi. for good care! If you want to stop illegal entries...GO AFTER THOSE WHO HIRE THEM...STOP IT AT THE TOP, NOT THE BOTTOM! PUT THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS IN JAIL! How much you want to bet nearly all illegals would stop coming here or the numbers would go down tremendously! I don't understand why enforcement focuses on the workers, not the employers. Well, I do. The economy is based on the cheap labor provided by illegals. Taking the measures required to stop employers from hiring illegals would result in a huge spike in food prices. People don't want that, and it would cause a backlash towards the government. So, in the meantime, we pretend we are doing something (rounding up the illegals and sending them back home), it looks good, the corporations are happy, people get their cheap food, and life goes on. for the same reason that they prosecuted the GUARDS in Bagram, but not Rumsfeld.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 30, 2018 11:12:55 GMT -5
billions. how much economic benefit is derived from them being here? NOTE: i am NOT an advocate for illegal labor. i am adamantly opposed to it. just keeping it real.
You said that where you live, there are lots of Dreamers,, do their Mom's and Dad's have papers? i told you once, i will tell you again: Google is your friend. edit: i didn't say "where i live, there are lots of dreamers". i have no idea whether that is true or not. what i said is that i know more than a few dreamers PERSONALLY, and they speak perfect English. there are a lot of misconceptions about these kids. i feel it is my duty to dispel them when i can.
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