Are the liberals beginning to shudder over the election?

[Tennesseer]

Oct 17, 2018 12:33:33 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 17, 2018 11:48:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump tells AP he won't accept blame if GOP loses House

WASHINGTON — Facing the prospect of bruising electoral defeat in congressional elections, President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he won't accept the blame if his party loses control of the House in November, arguing his campaigning and endorsements have helped Republican candidates.

In a wide-ranging interview three weeks before Election Day, Trump told The Associated Press he senses voter enthusiasm rivaling 2016 and he expressed cautious optimism that his most loyal supporters will vote even when he is not on the ballot. He dismissed suggestions that he might take responsibility, as his predecessor did, for midterm losses or view the outcome as a referendum on his presidency.

"No, I think I'm helping people," Trump said. "I don't believe anybody's ever had this kind of an impact."

Complete article here: Trump tells AP he won't accept blame if GOP loses House

The majority of Republican politicians (not the Republican voters) are not Trump backers. The Republican voters understand this. We are still in the process of draining the swamp in our party. Until then, we know he does not truly head the Party. I do not disagree with Trump on this issue. When we actually have a majority of politicians in DC actually backing the President on his program proposals, then we will hold the President responsible for it's success or failures, as head of the party, as well all voters.

Then these must be the folks which trump and most of his true supporters are hoping to fill Washington with after they drain the 'swamp' of establishment Republicans because they sure do support trump and his policies:

White nationalist leader is plotting to 'take over the GOP'

Patrick Casey blended in easily with the buttoned-up crowd at the Conservative Political Action Conference held outside Washington D.C. earlier this year.

His boyish face was clean-shaven. His brown hair was close-cropped. And he shuffled between the networking breakfasts and panel discussions wearing a maroon sweater, matching collared shirt and crisp khaki pants.

But despite all outward appearances, Casey, 29, wasn't like all of the other Republicans at CPAC, the largest annual gathering of conservative activists in the U.S.

He wasn't there only to champion conservative causes. Casey had ulterior motives: to covertly spread the message of the white nationalist group he leads.

As the executive director of Identity Evropa, Casey is on a bold mission. "To take over the GOP as much as possible," he told NBC News.

Complete article here:  White nationalist leader is plotting to 'take over the GOP'

[happyhoix]

Oct 17, 2018 16:01:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 17, 2018 12:33:33 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The majority of Republican politicians (not the Republican voters) are not Trump backers. The Republican voters understand this. We are still in the process of draining the swamp in our party. Until then, we know he does not truly head the Party. I do not disagree with Trump on this issue. When we actually have a majority of politicians in DC actually backing the President on his program proposals, then we will hold the President responsible for it's success or failures, as head of the party, as well all voters.

Then these must be the folks which trump and most of his true supporters are hoping to fill Washington with after they drain the 'swamp' of establishment Republicans because they sure do support trump and his policies:

White nationalist leader is plotting to 'take over the GOP'

Patrick Casey blended in easily with the buttoned-up crowd at the Conservative Political Action Conference held outside Washington D.C. earlier this year.

His boyish face was clean-shaven. His brown hair was close-cropped. And he shuffled between the networking breakfasts and panel discussions wearing a maroon sweater, matching collared shirt and crisp khaki pants.

But despite all outward appearances, Casey, 29, wasn't like all of the other Republicans at CPAC, the largest annual gathering of conservative activists in the U.S.

He wasn't there only to champion conservative causes. Casey had ulterior motives: to covertly spread the message of the white nationalist group he leads.

As the executive director of Identity Evropa, Casey is on a bold mission. "To take over the GOP as much as possible," he told NBC News.

Complete article here:  White nationalist leader is plotting to 'take over the GOP'

Shouldn't be to hard to convert the GOP to the white nationalists.  All the white nationalists in the country already belong to the GOP.

You just have to clear out the remaining crazies who still think the races should live together in equality and harmony.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 13, 2018 14:17:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

yep, it is the worst danger for Democrats- loss of motivation.

I think you just helped me name my political consulting firm-- D3

Demoralizing Democrats Daily.

[dondub]

Except you don't.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 15, 2018 14:46:13 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

I'm 71, not a liberal and not shuddering. Early voting starts Oct 25 and Trump should be shuddering. 

I don't think Trump is the slightest bit worried.

Trump rally with Ted Cruz moved to far bigger 18,000-seat arena in Houston

www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/10/18/trump-rally-ted-cruz-moved-far-bigger-18000-seat-arena-houston

Democrats Are Blowing It Again - NYT
www.nytimes.com/2018/10/12/opinion/liberals-trump-midterms-2020-election.html

Don't Expect A Big Democratic Wave This Fall - CNBC
www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/mixed-signals-for-democrat-blue-wave-in-november-cnbc-survey-says.html
The poll of 800 Americans across the country, with a margin of error of 3.5 percent, found a six-point Democratic lead on the question of who voters will choose in the November congressional elections.

The 42 percent to 36 percent margin is not far from what pollsters would expect given the greater percentage of Democratic registered voters.

Working in the Republicans' favor is not only record-high optimism about the economy but also about the stock market and near-record high optimism about wage growth.

My Opinion: My prediction remains that the long-term trend of Democrats losing will continue unabated in the mid-terms. There's nothing to indicate a shift in sentiment for Democrat issues. Nobody cares about abortion or climate change. Opinions on Trump haven't changed- except that his approval has risen slightly and remains higher than his predecessors- including Reagan, Clinton, and Obama- at this same point (and with the caveat that his predecessors began with MUCH higher approval ratings, and slid- in fact, Obama was at 67% after his election and slid to 42%. Whereas Trump began at 39% and has risen to 44% to 51% depending on the poll (average right now is 47%). There's no massive anti-Trump sentiment save for on the far left.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The official election results are going to look like this- so save this and let's refer to it

US House: GOP +13

I'm watching 10 races very closely that are tossups- this number could rise.

US Senate: GOP +7

My Senate prediction was going to be +6, but I'm putting Heller in the win column which bumps the net to 7. There are three races to watch right now which I do not expect the GOP to win, but which have shown some signs the are going to get swept up in the #RedTsunami-- Manchin in WV, McCaskill in MO, and Rick Scott in FL. I'm not confident enough to put them in the win column yet- but it's not looking bad, that I can tell you.

Rick Scott has the advantage of having a radical socialist Gillum running for governor. It is likely that Gillum will hang like a millstone around the necks of the entire Democratic Party ticket in Florida.

Manchin helped himself with the Kavanaugh vote- but it may not be enough.

The McCaskill Campaign is reeling from being outed as Obama liberals reliant on St. Louis so they can ignore the rest of the state-- She is in polling freefall right now and may not recover-- but I'm watching closely.

FWIW- there are a couple Democrats fantasies which are coming apart at the seams right now-- Dick "Beto" O'Rourke in Texas was always going to lose by 20 points and Bredersen never had a shot in TN. 

[teen persuasion]

Are any of the people in that pic actually on the ballot in November?

I know Shumer is not - it's Gillibrand this cycle.
Don't think Hillary or either of the Obamas are running for anything.

[moon/Laura]

AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP - what part of the "no photoshopped images of political figures" do you not understand? It's a rule you consistently seem to ignore. Your photo - and only the photo - was removed from your post above.

~moon/admin

[dezii]

Oct 17, 2018 12:33:33 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 17, 2018 11:48:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump tells AP he won't accept blame if GOP loses House

WASHINGTON — Facing the prospect of bruising electoral defeat in congressional elections, President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he won't accept the blame if his party loses control of the House in November, arguing his campaigning and endorsements have helped Republican candidates.

In a wide-ranging interview three weeks before Election Day, Trump told The Associated Press he senses voter enthusiasm rivaling 2016 and he expressed cautious optimism that his most loyal supporters will vote even when he is not on the ballot. He dismissed suggestions that he might take responsibility, as his predecessor did, for midterm losses or view the outcome as a referendum on his presidency.

"No, I think I'm helping people," Trump said. "I don't believe anybody's ever had this kind of an impact."

Complete article here: Trump tells AP he won't accept blame if GOP loses House

The majority of Republican politicians (not the Republican voters) are not Trump backers. The Republican voters understand this. We are still in the process of draining the swamp in our party. Until then, we know he does not truly head the Party. I do not disagree with Trump on this issue. When we actually have a majority of politicians in DC actually backing the President on his program proposals, then we will hold the President responsible for it's success or failures, as head of the party, as well all voters.

So let me get this straight...We spend the $ to elect these folks to Congress and those of the party of who ever / what ever,  the party in power is there souly   to rubberstamp / agree to what ever proposal that particular POTUS puts forward...whether they agree, disagree, find fault with...that is their job..just push and agree to the proposal..and they earn salary, expenses a pension too right?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Just for that- you're getting a bonus link: 

Uncertainty over a blue wave: NBC News finds Democratic and GOP voter registrations at same level as past election cycles
www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/uncertainty-over-blue-wave-nbc-news-finds-democratic-voter-registrations-n920691

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

So let me get this straight...We spend the $ to elect these folks to Congress and those of the party of who ever / what ever, the party in power is there souly to rubberstamp / agree to what ever proposal that particular POTUS puts forward...whether they agree, disagree, find fault with...that is their job..just push and agree to the proposal..and they earn salary, expenses a pension too right?

To quote Obama, "Elections have consequences" and "We won. They lost".

The elected politicians are expected to implement the policies they campaign on. Period. When Democrats win- this is never in question. It only seems to be a concern when Republicans win and then don't immediately act like they lost by going along with Democrats.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Voter registration doesn't equate to voter turn out. Nor is an accurate indicator to predict results.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 19, 2018 12:32:37 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Voter registration doesn't equate to voter turn out. Nor is an accurate indicator to predict results.

You're absolutely correct. Democrats find this out every election- and each time it's like the first time they've discovered it.

[teen persuasion]

Oct 16, 2018 13:56:41 GMT -5 swamp said:

Paul Ryan is making an appearance in NYS to help some struggling republican congressmen, including mine.  

The Dem challenger has raised more money than the incumbent this quarter, and it's all personal donations, not corporate.    The R incumbent is running scared. 

Sounds very familiar, except that we are getting Steve Bannon to "help" the local Republican candidates, instead.

Not sure how much help he will be - locals have nixed at least one appearance by Bannon because they were afraid of the protests he might trigger (and collateral damage to historical sites).

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oct 19, 2018 19:32:09 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Oct 16, 2018 13:56:41 GMT -5 swamp said:

Paul Ryan is making an appearance in NYS to help some struggling republican congressmen, including mine.  

The Dem challenger has raised more money than the incumbent this quarter, and it's all personal donations, not corporate.    The R incumbent is running scared. 

Sounds very familiar, except that we are getting Steve Bannon to "help" the local Republican candidates, instead.

Not sure how much help he will be - locals have nixed at least one appearance by Bannon because they were afraid of the protests he might trigger (and collateral damage to historical sites).

Sad people have to live in fear of violent Democrat mob outbursts.

[happyhoix]

Oct 19, 2018 12:31:35 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

So let me get this straight...We spend the $ to elect these folks to Congress and those of the party of who ever / what ever, the party in power is there souly to rubberstamp / agree to what ever proposal that particular POTUS puts forward...whether they agree, disagree, find fault with...that is their job..just push and agree to the proposal..and they earn salary, expenses a pension too right?

To quote Obama, "Elections have consequences" and "We won. They lost".

The elected politicians are expected to implement the policies they campaign on. Period. When Democrats win- this is never in question. It only seems to be a concern when Republicans win and then don't immediately act like they lost by going along with Democrats.

Hmmm, you're saying the GOP accepted when Obama won - twice?

What was the TEA party and the whole birther movement about, then?

[dezii]

Oct 23, 2018 15:14:15 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Oct 19, 2018 12:31:35 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

To quote Obama, "Elections have consequences" and "We won. They lost".

The elected politicians are expected to implement the policies they campaign on. Period. When Democrats win- this is never in question. It only seems to be a concern when Republicans win and then don't immediately act like they lost by going along with Democrats.

Hmmm, you're saying the GOP accepted when Obama won - twice?

What was the TEA party and the whole birther movement about, then?

Ahh...well...…...duuuuuuuuuu

[teen persuasion]

Oct 23, 2018 15:05:40 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 19, 2018 19:32:09 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Sounds very familiar, except that we are getting Steve Bannon to "help" the local Republican candidates, instead.

Not sure how much help he will be - locals have nixed at least one appearance by Bannon because they were afraid of the protests he might trigger (and collateral damage to historical sites).

Sad people have to live in fear of violent Democrat mob outbursts.

I believe the local take is that it's sad people have to live in fear of fake Republican claims of planned violence (from mysterious people on the other side of the country). 


Turns out it was the Republican candidate that cancelled Bannon's appearance at the historical site (not the venue), and the Republican candidate that "claimed" to know about "calls" from the west coast threatening protests (mob violence was not threatened). 

The whole story is fishy - the venue has not said they received protest calls, and did not back out of the scheduled booking, the Republican candidate did.  Why would someone call from the other side of the country, and threaten to protest the use of that  small, local historical site for hosting Steve Bannon, by calling not the group that runs the historical site, but rather the candidate?

The Republican candidate is spinning a yarn, full of crazy, loaded phrases, just like your "violent Democrat mob outbursts". He realized Bannon wouldn't play well to voters here, he cancelled the event, the cancellation made the media and he needed an excuse to save face. Suddenly, he's cancelling the event because he'd hate to see anything happen to the Roycroft, you know, those threats that only he knows about.

[djAdvocate]

fear is all the GOP has left.  it is their only truth.

[happyhoix]

Oct 23, 2018 15:05:40 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 19, 2018 19:32:09 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Sounds very familiar, except that we are getting Steve Bannon to "help" the local Republican candidates, instead.

Not sure how much help he will be - locals have nixed at least one appearance by Bannon because they were afraid of the protests he might trigger (and collateral damage to historical sites).

Sad people have to live in fear of violent Democrat mob outbursts.

Is that like being afraid of far right pipebombs?

[Value Buy]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-slipping-away-as-dems-fight-to-preserve-blue-wave/ar-BBOO5pZ?li=BBnbcA1

[djAdvocate]

Democrats never had the Senate in their grasp. 

anything said OTHERWISE is OPINION, not fact.

edit: i double checked myself and yes, this is true.  the Democrats never had a better than 1/3 chance of taking the Senate in the last (12) months according to 538 (and most other oddsmakers).  anybody who says differently is either lying, or doesn't know the facts.

edit2: i read that article, and it is not accurately reflecting many of the races cited.

example: the Nevada race has never really been a tossup.  i have not even cited it as a race to watch recently.  the GOP has held a small but steady margin there, and i now rate this one at 60% for the GOP to take it.  in other words: if it WERE a "tossup", that would be good news for DEMOCRATS, which would rather undermine their entire thesis.

i could go down the list, race after race, but that is a really poor article with about (5) authors.

[countrygirl2]

I was reading where the photo the repubs were showing was one from a game in Houston, not his rally.  Don't know how many showed, but they can't put out anything honestly, I just don't understand why they have to lie about little things like that.


I doubt that ORourke wins, Texas isn't quite ready to go back blue again, but it will, just give it time, demographics are changing there.  If they can keep voter suppression down the dems will win again.  Can't say how many years that will take but it will.

[teen persuasion]

Oct 23, 2018 15:05:40 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Oct 19, 2018 19:32:09 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Sounds very familiar, except that we are getting Steve Bannon to "help" the local Republican candidates, instead.

Not sure how much help he will be - locals have nixed at least one appearance by Bannon because they were afraid of the protests he might trigger (and collateral damage to historical sites).

Sad people have to live in fear of violent Democrat mob outbursts.

And there it is!  Collins' newest TV ad using the talking points/code words "angry mob".  


ETA: As i was typing, another ad came on, a generic vote Republican ad. It hit every boogeyman: trash 2nd amendment rights, 100% socialized medicine, immediate higher taxes, Gov Cuomo, Hillary, Pelosi, on and on.  A vote for ANY Democrat = an end to civilization as we know it!  Followed by a super sped up legal disclaimer about who actually paid for this, impossible to catch.

[happyhoix]

Oct 25, 2018 0:33:32 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I was reading where the photo the repubs were showing was one from a game in Houston, not his rally.  Don't know how many showed, but they can't put out anything honestly, I just don't understand why they have to lie about little things like that.


I doubt that ORourke wins, Texas isn't quite ready to go back blue again, but it will, just give it time, demographics are changing there.  If they can keep voter suppression down the dems will win again.  Can't say how many years that will take but it will.

I figure 15  - 20 years, myself.

GOP demographics rely heavily on late middle aged white men, and as that generation begins to die off, politics will shift. The GOP will have to change to cultivate a different demographic, as there's only so much gerrymandering and voter suppression can do, when your largest voting block starts dying off.

[Gardening Grandma]

...When voter suppression is an aggressive national effort, it can do a lot to keep power in tne hands of the old white men..

In Georgia, Ohio and elsewhere, Republican officials are purging the voter rolls — taking away people’s registration, often for no good reason.
In Arizona, North Carolina, Texas and elsewhere, Republicans have closed polling places.
In Arkansas, Iowa and North Dakota, Republicans have added onerous new identification requirements.
And in Florida, Iowa and Kentucky, Republicans have tried to make it even harder for people previously convicted of felonies to vote.

[Value Buy]

Oct 25, 2018 0:33:32 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

I was reading where the photo the repubs were showing was one from a game in Houston, not his rally.  Don't know how many showed, but they can't put out anything honestly, I just don't understand why they have to lie about little things like that.


I doubt that ORourke wins, Texas isn't quite ready to go back blue again, but it will, just give it time, demographics are changing there.  If they can keep voter suppression down the dems will win again.  Can't say how many years that will take but it will.

Can you tell me what rally it was where they used the wrong photo?

[countrygirl2]

It was the one in Houston and they used one from a ball game there instead of his, someone put it on my facebook.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 25, 2018 18:34:40 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

It was the one in Houston and they used one from a ball game there instead of his, someone put it on my facebook.

Here you go, Countrygirl2:

Photo alleging large crowd at Texas Trump rally is actually from Cavs championship parade

[Tennesseer]

I think that same Cleveland picture was used to describe a pre-election trump rally too. The trump campaign got called out that time also.