Are the liberals beginning to shudder over the election?

[Value Buy]

For the Nervous Nellie's of the liberal left here, are we repeating 2016 election results?         www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nervous-democrats-ask-could-election-day-disaster-strike-again/ar-BBOe3je?li=BBnb7Kz

[billisonboard]

Reasonable concern against becoming complacent.

[djAdvocate]

yep, it is the worst danger for Democrats- loss of motivation.

[dezii]

Oct 13, 2018 11:22:59 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

For the Nervous Nellie's of the liberal left here, are we repeating 2016 election results?         www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nervous-democrats-ask-could-election-day-disaster-strike-again/ar-BBOe3je?li=BBnb7Kz

"But even some of them acknowledge the similarities between the current and previous election: President Trump is unpopular and beset by scandal, Democrats hold leads in the polls, and some Republicans are openly pessimistic.

FiveThirtyEight gives Democrats a 76.9 percent chance of winning the House one month before Election Day. Its odds for Clinton's victory two years ago was 71.4 percent"
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Not bad odds....I'd take those at the track, wouldn't u...Vegas too. 

election could go the other way..understand that too...but with history on my side on midterms...even a outside shot at the Senate....if the Dems pulled it off...it would be interesting in hearing your feelings on the results...

[Gardening Grandma]

I'd much rather see liberals concerned and working to get out the vote than sitting back complacently waiting for things to "just happen"

[kadee79]

Not in Ga., we are fighting the crooked GOP in this state...Kemp in particular trying to subvert eligible voters!

[mroped]

The day of elections huge numbers of liberals are gonna find an excuse not to go and vote.
Conservatives on the other hand...and that’s because most of the conservatives are retired people and they look forward to doing something every day!😂
Thats how polls become irrelevant.

[billisonboard]

Oct 13, 2018 21:22:11 GMT -5 mroped said:

The day of elections huge numbers of liberals are gonna find an excuse not to go and vote.
Conservatives on the other hand...and that’s because most of the conservatives are retired people and they look forward to doing something every day!😂
Thats how polls become irrelevant.

Quality polls take that into account.

[kadee79]

I'm retired, I vote, I DON'T vote GOP!  And I have to work that time into my already busy days.  Don't think that retired folks have nothing to do, we have 16+ acres that needs our attention every day in one way or another.

[oped]

Enthusiasm will definitely be the thing. I was reading the details of the poll (as i like to do) on Cruz/Beto the other day where Cruz was up 9. When you just looked at those who stated they were SURE they were going to vote... Beto was up 3. 

The other thing will be how much new registrations are weighted, as likely voter polls usually include some measure of voting history. 

But as to the emotion in the original post... no shudder. i'm resigned to the Republicans winning. I've been adjusting to the end of the republic for almost two years now. Heck some days i even wish they would win... so they could be in for their own crash and be forced to deal with the fallout from their own freaking mess for once in their lives. 

But contrary to those sentiments i will work against them for as long as it is possible. 

[dezii]

Oct 13, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

I'd much rather see liberals concerned and working to get out the vote than sitting back complacently waiting for things to "just happen"

I don't see them sitting back....they just don't have someone like Trump who can put together rallies of his base and get media coverage..

I believe even with his loyal base, the more liberal and non committed plus woman, those minorities, those of color.. outnumber the Trump base by 2/3 ..now will they get out and vote..either in person or by mail...thats the big question. If they do , then there will be changes..if not...well...... …. ……. …….. ………………….. ………..

[teen persuasion]

Oct 14, 2018 7:40:49 GMT -5 oped said:

Enthusiasm will definitely be the thing. I was reading the details of the poll (as i like to do) on Cruz/Beto the other day where Cruz was up 9. When you just looked at those who stated they were SURE they were going to vote... Beto was up 3. 

The other thing will be how much new registrations are weighted, as likely voter polls usually include some measure of voting history. 

But as to the emotion in the original post... no shudder. i'm resigned to the Republicans winning. I've been adjusting to the end of the republic for almost two years now. Heck some days i even wish they would win... so they could be in for their own crash and be forced to deal with the fallout from their own freaking mess for once in their lives. 

But contrary to those sentiments i will work against them for as long as it is possible. 

A few days ago was the last day to register to vote in the Nov election in NY.  The local news station ran a piece about how unusually busy the board of election offices were due to new sign ups.  They said there had been an uptick in registration in the last few years, but especially this year.  Many were young people who wanted to be a part of the process and make their voices heard.  Those especially felt the internet made it much easier to get information on candidates and their positions.  They recognized not everything on the internet was fact, so they had to checkout multiple sources and evaluate claims.

The last bit of info was very interesting: even bigger than the numbers of new signups were the numbers of people signing up for third parties, or independent, or no party, added to the existing registered voters doing the same.  Given NY's closed primaries, you can't vote in the primaries if you are not registered for a party something like a year in advance.  So there's a disadvantage to not being registered for a major party; a sudden  deliberate switch away from the major party affiliations seems to me to be a signal.

[weltschmerz]

Oct 14, 2018 10:13:13 GMT -5 dezii said:

Oct 13, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

I'd much rather see liberals concerned and working to get out the vote than sitting back complacently waiting for things to "just happen"

I don't see them sitting back....they just don't have someone like Trump who can put together rallies of his base and get media coverage..

I believe even with his loyal base, the more liberal and non committed plus woman, those minorities, those of color.. outnumber the Trump base by 2/3 ..now will they get out and vote..either in person or by mail...thats the big question. If they do , then there will be changes..if not...well...... …. ……. …….. ………………….. ………..

Dems don't have someone like Trump LYING to them, over and over again, whipping up fear.
Last year, Trump was praising the health care system of countries like Scotland, Australia and Canada. Praised it to high heaven.
At the campaign rally in Kentucky the other day, he was slamming it as socialist and horrible.
Of course they're going to vote for him! When he scares his moron supporters about the horrors of "socialism", what do you expect?

[dezii]

Oct 14, 2018 14:37:36 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Oct 14, 2018 10:13:13 GMT -5 dezii said:

I don't see them sitting back....they just don't have someone like Trump who can put together rallies of his base and get media coverage..

I believe even with his loyal base, the more liberal and non committed plus woman, those minorities, those of color.. outnumber the Trump base by 2/3 ..now will they get out and vote..either in person or by mail...thats the big question. If they do , then there will be changes..if not...well...... …. ……. …….. ………………….. ………..

Dems don't have someone like Trump LYING to them, over and over again, whipping up fear.
Last year, Trump was praising the health care system of countries like Scotland, Australia and Canada. Praised it to high heaven.
At the campaign rally in Kentucky the other day, he was slamming it as socialist and horrible.
Of course they're going to vote for him! When he scares his moron supporters about the horrors of "socialism", what do you expect?

His base really don't care that he lies...he says what they want to hear at the moment...they are satisfied..

I watched one of the late Bournine  shows last night...he was in West Virginia...very pro Donald State...was blue at one time......they know all the stories of Donald...when Hillery came to campaign she said, correctly, going to do away with coal....

Trump said the opposite and while we use much less coal here  places like India can't get enough of it...Miners make 60% more in wages then average workers salaries and while Miners don't want their sons mining...as their fathers didn't for them...if they do go into the mines..it's ok...in fact as one showed..his hard hat, lunch pail, thermos, coffee cup was his fathers or grand fathers ..and IF his kid follows him into the mines..he will pass the stuff on to him. Also...big firearm state...

[countrygirl2]

If it doesn't go blue then we will see a decline with tariffs and all.  The prosperity carrying over from the Obama years won't continue for ever.  And the farmers next  year, well, many will be bankrupt, never to return.  If it continues and dems have a decent candidate we will be ok. If we lose in November the fabric of this country will never be the same and we will be the worse for it.  It's possible if the repubs are in again then 2020 may never happen, he may just declare himself supreme leader and elections be damned.  Would anyone rise up?  Be mighty hard too.
 

[ednkris]

Oct 14, 2018 18:38:01 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

If it doesn't go blue then we will see a decline with tariffs and all.  The prosperity carrying over from the Obama years won't continue for ever.  And the farmers next  year, well, many will be bankrupt, never to return.  If it continues and dems have a decent candidate we will be ok. If we lose in November the fabric of this country will never be the same and we will be the worse for it.  It's possible if the repubs are in again then 2020 may never happen, he may just declare himself supreme leader and elections be damned.  Would anyone rise up?  Be mighty hard too.
 

Let's see another term for Trump, 8 years of Pence then maybe one of Trumps kids will follow suit. It slim to none but one can dream

[countrygirl2]

If they stay in we will lose medicare and everything, they will kill off a bunch of us old folks, by design I'm sure.  I just lost my drug coverage under medicare, sigh.  Right when I really started having to use it. I do have a good compounded drug for my foot its diclofenac 1.4% and lidocaine .333% of course topical, it really helps, but its cash out of pocket.  Hope all mine wont' be.

[happyhoix]

Oct 14, 2018 19:34:01 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

If they stay in we will lose medicare and everything, they will kill off a bunch of us old folks, by design I'm sure.  I just lost my drug coverage under medicare, sigh.  Right when I really started having to use it. I do have a good compounded drug for my foot its diclofenac 1.4% and lidocaine .333% of course topical, it really helps, but its cash out of pocket.  Hope all mine wont' be.

Ryan has already promised cuts to SS and medicare after the midterms - have to do something about that huge deficient.....

So don't get real comfortable with whatever you're getting now.

[happyhoix]

I don't know how worried the libs are. 

I wonder how worried the GOPers are in Texas though - seems like some of the female evangelical voters are lining up behind O'Rouke.

www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/us/politics/texas-beto-orourke-evangelicals-women.html

I especially liked the young woman who put an O'Rouke bumper sticker on her car and defiantly drove it to her church, expecting to get scolded, and then finding another car in the lot that also had an O'Rourke bumper sticker.

[countrygirl2]

I hope that young guy gets in, he sounds smart and he has really worked that's for sure.  It's time for these old timers to go, they need some fresh new people, hopefully people that will work together for the country instead of seeing what they can tear apart.

Trump may do something for this country afterall, he may make people so disgusted they actually want change and will get out and vote.  We can only hope.  But I fear it won't happen till the next election.  He has done so much damage in 2 years, what will he do in 2 more.  

[happyhoix]

The thing about Beto is that Cruz has assumed all the evangelicals were in his pocket. Evangelicals are often one issue voters (abortion). However, if some segment of evangelicals have decided (like the woman in the article I linked in my previous post) that she doesn't want to vote for an anti-abortion party that pursues a policy of separating kids from parents at the border, then Cruz' math may be all wrong.

Maybe evangelicals aren't going to vote as a block anymore - that's not good for the GOP.

[OldCoyote]

Beto is toast.

[dezii]

Oct 14, 2018 18:38:01 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

If it doesn't go blue then we will see a decline with tariffs and all.  The prosperity carrying over from the Obama years won't continue for ever.  And the farmers next  year, well, many will be bankrupt, never to return.  If it continues and dems have a decent candidate we will be ok. If we lose in November the fabric of this country will never be the same and we will be the worse for it.  It's possible if the repubs are in again then 2020 may never happen, he may just declare himself supreme leader and elections be damned.  Would anyone rise up?  Be mighty hard too.
 

I've said if anyone remembered if he lost a election in 2020 he wouldn't go quietly...possible true...might call on courts to decide over some trivial nonsense but more I think about it...whoever it was would be sworn in somewhere and then go into white house and the Donald would be carried out and if dumped outside the gate..now that would be cool.

Probably retreat to the Trunp Washington Hotel and call it the new white house..

As far as his base marching...if so, would be quickly brought to heel by Federal Forces...Federalized National Guard I would expect.

[happyhoix]

Oct 15, 2018 9:42:34 GMT -5 dezii said:

Oct 14, 2018 18:38:01 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

If it doesn't go blue then we will see a decline with tariffs and all.  The prosperity carrying over from the Obama years won't continue for ever.  And the farmers next  year, well, many will be bankrupt, never to return.  If it continues and dems have a decent candidate we will be ok. If we lose in November the fabric of this country will never be the same and we will be the worse for it.  It's possible if the repubs are in again then 2020 may never happen, he may just declare himself supreme leader and elections be damned.  Would anyone rise up?  Be mighty hard too.
 

I've said if anyone remembered if he lost a election in 2020 he wouldn't go quietly...possible true...might call on courts to decide over some trivial nonsense but more I think about it...whoever it was would be sworn in somewhere and then go into white house and the Donald would be carried out and if dumped outside the gate..now that would be cool.

Probably retreat to the Trunp Washington Hotel and call it the new white house..

As far as his base marching...if so, would be quickly brought to heel by Federal Forces...Federalized National Guard I would expect.

I heard some talking head suggesting the possibility that Trump might refuse to leave the White House if he loses in 2020, but the other talking heads on the show insisted that both Republicans and Democrats respect the process enough they would form a bipartisian committee to unceremoniously physically remove him from the WH grounds.

Sure there would be a cohort of his supporters who would attempt to rally to his defense, but I suspect in the end he would hole up in Mar a Lago, the King of South Florida, while the rest of the government continued on without him.

[dezii]

Oct 13, 2018 21:22:11 GMT -5 mroped said:

The day of elections huge numbers of liberals are gonna find an excuse not to go and vote.
Conservatives on the other hand...and that’s because most of the conservatives are retired people and they look forward to doing something every day!😂
Thats how polls become irrelevant.

hmmm...so your suggesting that there are no liberal / moderate seniors...once they hit 65 they just vanish ...poof ...like that?  Interesting...….

[Gardening Grandma]

Oct 15, 2018 10:42:35 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Oct 15, 2018 9:42:34 GMT -5 dezii said:

I've said if anyone remembered if he lost a election in 2020 he wouldn't go quietly...possible true...might call on courts to decide over some trivial nonsense but more I think about it...whoever it was would be sworn in somewhere and then go into white house and the Donald would be carried out and if dumped outside the gate..now that would be cool.

Probably retreat to the Trunp Washington Hotel and call it the new white house..

As far as his base marching...if so, would be quickly brought to heel by Federal Forces...Federalized National Guard I would expect.

I heard some talking head suggesting the possibility that Trump might refuse to leave the White House if he loses in 2020, but the other talking heads on the show insisted that both Republicans and Democrats respect the process enough they would form a bipartisian committee to unceremoniously physically remove him from the WH grounds.

Sure there would be a cohort of his supporters who would attempt to rally to his defense, but I suspect in the end he would hole up in Mar a Lago, the King of South Florida, while the rest of the government continued on without him.

While I would hope that would be the case, the last two years have shown me that Republicans value power over process.  I have zero confidence in them to do the right thing.

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2018 18:38:01 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

If it doesn't go blue then we will see a decline with tariffs and all.  The prosperity carrying over from the Obama years won't continue for ever.  And the farmers next  year, well, many will be bankrupt, never to return.  If it continues and dems have a decent candidate we will be ok. If we lose in November the fabric of this country will never be the same and we will be the worse for it.  It's possible if the repubs are in again then 2020 may never happen, he may just declare himself supreme leader and elections be damned.  Would anyone rise up?  Be mighty hard too.
 

Isn't this the same claim you and others here made in October of 2016?
I think it is time you give this President an atta boy and admit to everyone the country has not declined or fallen into anarchy with his election.

Unless you count the democrats and socialists who are flailing towards anarchy by trying to destroy the country today.

[Value Buy]

Oct 14, 2018 19:34:01 GMT -5 countrygirl2 said:

If they stay in we will lose medicare and everything, they will kill off a bunch of us old folks, by design I'm sure.  I just lost my drug coverage under medicare, sigh.  Right when I really started having to use it. I do have a good compounded drug for my foot its diclofenac 1.4% and lidocaine .333% of course topical, it really helps, but its cash out of pocket.  Hope all mine wont' be.

Can you explain how you lost drug coverage under Medicare?
I do not understand your statement.
Did you lose drug coverage under Medicare, or your supplemental policy, or did the policy drop a specific drug you are on, and you now have to pay out of pocket?
Losing drug coverage and losing a prescription because it has been dropped from a plan are two distinct and separate things.

[Value Buy]

Oct 15, 2018 10:57:44 GMT -5 dezii said:

Oct 13, 2018 21:22:11 GMT -5 mroped said:

The day of elections huge numbers of liberals are gonna find an excuse not to go and vote.
Conservatives on the other hand...and that’s because most of the conservatives are retired people and they look forward to doing something every day!😂
Thats how polls become irrelevant.

hmmm...so your suggesting that there are no liberal / moderate seniors...once they hit 65 they just vanish ...poof ...like that?  Interesting...….

According to another poster on this thread it is a Republican plan in place to kill them off.

[dezii]

Oct 15, 2018 14:10:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 15, 2018 10:57:44 GMT -5 dezii said:

hmmm...so your suggesting that there are no liberal / moderate seniors...once they hit 65 they just vanish ...poof ...like that?  Interesting...….

According to another poster on this thread it is a Republican plan in place to kill them off.

I am not interested in what might or might not be posted some where...just answering a specific post by a poster.