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Post by steff on Feb 15, 2018 18:40:28 GMT -5
You do know that he is the one who did away with the regulations on people with mental health issues not being able to purchase a gun right? He is part of the conversation along with mental health issues. Telling, isn't it, that he signed that one with no press or photo op. For someone as addicted to attention as he is, that is tantamount to saying, "Yeah, I know everyone will think this sucks, but the NRA wants it, so...." Meh, clearly it doesn't matter to most people or rather, his supporters. The rest of us are just "over informed" or something along those lines. The one thing I've realized so far is that those that support him just don't care. So be it. Dead kids for NRA dollars is just the price that has to be paid.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 18:49:09 GMT -5
There you go again! Cussing at the table hoping to get some attention. Lol! I don't think you know what cussing means. I do know this. You're allowed to say peoples' opinions are just noise, but god forbid someone say the same thing back to you. Then you get all butthurt. Prayer never solved anything. If it did, there would be no more school shootings with all these "thoughts and prayers" going out.
I'm not in the least bit hurt. It makes me laugh that you are so scared it just might help that you do your best to huff and puff against the possibility. What I'm seeking is real solutions. And no. I don't believe prayer is the only and real solution. I've said on multiple occasions that people are offering what they can. And you have no right to pooh-pooh the beliefs they hold dear. Well, you have the right, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Adults know that. All of us wish we could do more but other than voting for those who can really make the changes, our options are limited.. What are you doing that so all mighty helpful that you have any right to degrade others' efforts? Bitching and spitting on a message board? I also know blaming Trump is just stupid. This happened long before he came onto the scene. It's just another excuse to spit and sputter and I'm going to say so. I'm sorry if you get all upset at that, but it's not going to stop.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2018 18:52:58 GMT -5
Lol! I don't think you know what cussing means. I do know this. You're allowed to say peoples' opinions are just noise, but god forbid someone say the same thing back to you. Then you get all butthurt. Prayer never solved anything. If it did, there would be no more school shootings with all these "thoughts and prayers" going out.
I'm not in the least bit hurt. It makes me laugh that you are so scared it just might help that you do your best to huff and puff against the possibility. What I'm seeking is real solutions. And no. I don't believe prayer is the only and real solution. I've said on multiple occasions that people are offering what they can. And you have no right to pooh-pooh the beliefs they hold dear. Well, you have the right, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Adults know that. All of us wish we could do more but other than voting for those who can really make the changes, our options are limited.. What are you doing that so all mighty helpful that you have any right to degrade others' efforts? Bitching and spitting on a message board? I also know blaming Trump is just stupid. This happened long before he came onto the scene. It's just another excuse to spit and sputter and I'm going to say so. I'm sorry if you get all upset at that, but it's not going to stop.
...says the woman who is bitching and spitting on a message board. You're cute. I'm scared? Scared of what, exactly?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 15, 2018 18:55:47 GMT -5
Why? I know nothing about diabetes Virgil. Is this a diversion tactic or what? I hope you are wrong. DT says keeping School kids safe will be his focus...... Lets see if he comes up with something and is not just playing for time, hoping it blows over. Until next time.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 18:59:24 GMT -5
I'm not in the least bit hurt. It makes me laugh that you are so scared it just might help that you do your best to huff and puff against the possibility. What I'm seeking is real solutions. And no. I don't believe prayer is the only and real solution. I've said on multiple occasions that people are offering what they can. And you have no right to pooh-pooh the beliefs they hold dear. Well, you have the right, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Adults know that. All of us wish we could do more but other than voting for those who can really make the changes, our options are limited.. What are you doing that so all mighty helpful that you have any right to degrade others' efforts? Bitching and spitting on a message board? I also know blaming Trump is just stupid. This happened long before he came onto the scene. It's just another excuse to spit and sputter and I'm going to say so. I'm sorry if you get all upset at that, but it's not going to stop.
...says the woman who is bitching and spitting on a message board. You're cute. I'm scared? Scared of what, exactly? I'll leave that for you to figure out but since you don't seem to understand the "cussing" reference, I don't hold out much hope.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2018 19:02:44 GMT -5
You know what GEL? I have as much right to post here as you do, and I don't need you flying in on your broomstick to accuse me of attention-seeking or cussing every time I open my mouth. I can post my opinions until the CoC says "no foreigners allowed." If you don't like what I say, put me on ignore. Simple.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2018 19:03:10 GMT -5
ohhkay, let's get back to talking about the actual incident and not each other's beliefs or the definition of the word "cuss"
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 19:05:51 GMT -5
You know what GEL? I have as much right to post here as you do, and I don't need you flying in on your broomstick to accuse me of attention-seeking or cussing every time I open my mouth. I can post my opinions until the CoC says "no foreigners allowed." If you don't like what I say, put me on ignore. Simple. Why would I put you on ignore? You are an intelligent, informed woman. I don't stop hoping you might, at some point, offer something other than vitriol. I never said anything about you not having a right to post. You are making stuff up now. Anger can make one do that.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 15, 2018 19:07:51 GMT -5
Simply praying for a solution isn't a good enough plan. God helps those who help themselves..... So action will solve those prayers.. Yay
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 15, 2018 19:09:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure what part of " If you don't consider this situation analogous to gun control, we'll get to that shortly. For now, I'd like to know how you (or anyone else who cares to answer) answer the above two questions." is confusing you, but: no, I don't want you to say why, and yes, we will debate this point later. That part was not confusing, hence why i did not say why already. What WAS confusing was why you would consider this even tangentially relevant or analogous to gun control. The only factor that really matters is totally lacking. If you're not willing to answer the questions, I have no interest in your criticisms of the analogy. Hence, with due respect: If you're going answer them, answer them, and I'll address your criticisms later. If not, find somebody else's time to waste.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2018 19:10:39 GMT -5
ohhkay, let's get back to talking about the actual incident and not each other's beliefs or the definition of the word "cuss" thanks for your attention. -chiver mod Funny how you only step in when she starts getting it back instead of just being able to run around spouting insulting crap without being confronted on it. Delete it if you want - ban me if you want - but I'm not letting it go any longer. Up to you. You are the boss. I'm sorry, I'm at work. I am not on here all day, every day. pardon me for not being your personal backup. all of it stops, now. posts will be going poof if it continues. -chiver mod
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 19:12:55 GMT -5
Simply praying for a solution isn't a good enough plan. God helps those who help themselves..... So action will solve those prayers.. Yay I don't think anybody said it was a "good enough" plan. I'm sorry but I don't understand the rest of your post. I don't know what action solving prayers means.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2018 19:18:30 GMT -5
it means actually DOING something to change the current policies we have in place regarding gun access, control, and why so many people that shouldn't have guns do.
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Post by Jaguar on Feb 15, 2018 19:20:30 GMT -5
There's 17 families hurting something awful. There's bunches of friends screaming for their lost friends. There's 17 innocent victims that won't get to reach their potential. No more sunsets, sunrises, coffee, tea, friends, kisses, hugs or love ever going to happen.
Those 17 and their families are in my heart. I hurt for their families.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 15, 2018 19:21:06 GMT -5
The two are equivalent. Unless you can fathom a ban that reduces child deaths due to diabetes without curbing child diabetes, ... Banning teacher and childcare worker ignorance (by requiring properly documented education) of the warning signs of diabetes ketoacidosis will reduce child deaths due to diabetes without curing child diabetes. Type 1 diabetes in childrenNext. Curbing, not curing. Calling education a "ban on ignorance" is a stretch and a half, and even if I give it to you, unless ignorance is sold from vending machines, I stand by my claim of equivalence. Are you going to answer the questions?
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Post by steff on Feb 15, 2018 19:22:04 GMT -5
Funny how you only step in when she starts getting it back instead of just being able to run around spouting insulting crap without being confronted on it. Delete it if you want - ban me if you want - but I'm not letting it go any longer. Up to you. You are the boss. I'm not saying anything different than any American Democrat here says. They all "spout vitriol" against the current administration. They're all pissed off with Trump, as am I. You have issues with me...I get that. You want to keep attacking just me? Knock yourself out. I'll do my best to ignore you from here on in. Yes we're pissed & we are doing something about it. We're gathering up voters, young voters who haven't paid attention or voted before. We are going to vote these money grubbing, NRA money pocketing, bullshit artists, trump fuckers OUT of office. Enough is Enough. Theses fuckers keep telling us to love it or leave it. Fuck that, I'm going to do what I need to take MY country back from the religious bullshit artists and money grubbing fuckers. and personally, I LOVE to cuss. It's the best way to relieve the blinding anger at those that don't give two shits & will defend pieces of shit no matter what.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 19:22:54 GMT -5
it means actually DOING something to change the current policies we have in place regarding gun access, control, and why so many people that shouldn't have guns do. Nobody said you shouldn't do something else. I don't think there are many people who don't agree big changes in our gun laws are needed. But you don't need to get all butthurt and hysterical when somebody mentions praying. It might not help, but it certainly can't hurt. And don't give me that shit about it can hurt if that's ALL you do. Nobody is saying that either.
I think people - at least I - are saying changes in gun laws isn't the do all/end all answer - anymore than people are saying that praying is the do all/end all.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 19:24:42 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything different than any American Democrat here says. They all "spout vitriol" against the current administration. They're all pissed off with Trump, as am I. You have issues with me...I get that. You want to keep attacking just me? Knock yourself out. I'll do my best to ignore you from here on in. Yes we're pissed & we are doing something about it. We're gathering up voters, young voters who haven't paid attention or voted before. We are going to vote these money grubbing, NRA money pocketing, bullshit artists, trump fuckers OUT of office. Enough is Enough. Theses fuckers keep telling us to love it or leave it. Fuck that, I'm going to do what I need to take MY country back from the religious bullshit artists and money grubbing fuckers. and personally, I LOVE to cuss. It's the best way to relieve the blinding anger at those that don't give two shits & will defend pieces of shit no matter what. Go ahead. How'd that work out for you last election? People don't respond well to that sort of nonsense. All it accomplishes is making them look like some sort of lunatic nobody wants to associate with or share values with. You'd think people would learn from their mistakes. Guess not. I surely wish they would because I don't look forward to another 4 years of this after this term.
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Post by steff on Feb 15, 2018 19:26:55 GMT -5
Yes we're pissed & we are doing something about it. We're gathering up voters, young voters who haven't paid attention or voted before. We are going to vote these money grubbing, NRA money pocketing, bullshit artists, trump fuckers OUT of office. Enough is Enough. Theses fuckers keep telling us to love it or leave it. Fuck that, I'm going to do what I need to take MY country back from the religious bullshit artists and money grubbing fuckers. and personally, I LOVE to cuss. It's the best way to relieve the blinding anger at those that don't give two shits & will defend pieces of shit no matter what. Go ahead. How'd that work out for you last election? People don't respond well to that sort of nonsense. All it accomplishes is making you look like some sort of lunatic nobody wants to associate with. You'd think people would learn from their mistakes. Guess not. I surely wish they would because I don't look forward to another 4 years of this after this term. 36 seats flipped since the last election.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2018 19:28:46 GMT -5
GEL, I think you're deliberately missing the point being made by a number of posters, where the loudest "thoughts and prayers" are offered as a false salve by those that COULD be making legislative changes to the policies we have now.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 15, 2018 19:31:22 GMT -5
seriously guys, posts are disappearing. can it.
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Post by steff on Feb 15, 2018 19:31:38 GMT -5
GEL, I think you're deliberately missing the point being made by a number of posters, where the loudest "thoughts and prayers" are offered as a false salve by those that COULD be making legislative changes to the policies we have now. The ones that offer "thoughts and prayers" the most are also the ones who pocket the most money from the NRA. Marco Rubio $3 million last year alone.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 15, 2018 19:31:50 GMT -5
Yep..your Country is ruled by Oligarchs....Get rid... only don't send them here like the Russians did.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 19:32:00 GMT -5
Go ahead. How'd that work out for you last election? People don't respond well to that sort of nonsense. All it accomplishes is making you look like some sort of lunatic nobody wants to associate with. You'd think people would learn from their mistakes. Guess not. I surely wish they would because I don't look forward to another 4 years of this after this term. 36 seats flipped since the last election. I hope you are right. I hate what's going on now.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 15, 2018 19:32:12 GMT -5
Why? I know nothing about diabetes Virgil. Is this a diversion tactic or what? It is a Socratic exercise to convince Tiny (and those who agree with her) that her statement, "[Offering thoughts and prayers] is rather insulting I think," is in error. The statement isn't insulting, it isn't intended to be insulting, and indeed it's one of the least insulting things a politician or lawmaker can say when (s)he disagrees with you about what can and needs to be done. The exercise is to prove this to you.
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Post by steff on Feb 15, 2018 19:32:54 GMT -5
36 seats flipped since the last election. I hope you are right. I hate what's going on now. somehow seeing how often you defend and/or excuse the indefensible, I seriously doubt that.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 19:33:57 GMT -5
GEL, I think you're deliberately missing the point being made by a number of posters, where the loudest "thoughts and prayers" are offered as a false salve by those that COULD be making legislative changes to the policies we have now. No. I'm not missing the point at all. Nobody has said that's ALL they do. It's just that some people see the word "prayer" and freak the hell out and start spouting crap that's just stupid. I would agree that if people are in a position to make change and ALL they do is pray, they could be doing more. But that's not the case and nobody has said that.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 15, 2018 19:35:02 GMT -5
I hope you are right. I hate what's going on now. somehow seeing how often you defend and/or excuse the indefensible, I seriously doubt that. I have to say...I don't really care what you think or believe. I'd ask for examples, but I know there aren't any....so....bye.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 15, 2018 19:35:04 GMT -5
That part was not confusing, hence why i did not say why already. What WAS confusing was why you would consider this even tangentially relevant or analogous to gun control. The only factor that really matters is totally lacking. If you're not willing to answer the questions, I have no interest in your criticisms of the analogy. Hence, with due respect: If you're going answer them, answer them, and I'll address your criticisms later. If not, find somebody else's time to waste. I would suggest that the one wasting everyone's time with this is not me, but if you manage to get a dozen responses I will reconsider.
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Post by steff on Feb 15, 2018 19:36:08 GMT -5
somehow seeing how often you defend and/or excuse the indefensible, I seriously doubt that. I have to say...I don't really care what you think or believe. I'd ask for examples, but I know there aren't any....so....bye. thoughts and prayers for you. Just like all the NRA owned Republicans are doing. Just thoughts and prayers.
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