Parkland, FL school shooting

[thyme4change]

Feb 26, 2018 9:11:36 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

You might not notice them. Technology has improved somewhat since the first vests came out. Most are worn underneath their uniform shirts now. They aren't as bulky as the old ones and you probably wouldn't even notice them.  At least that's how it is around here. The tactical teams - you may notice vests on them because they are usually on the outside of their clothing but most law enforcement officers wear them under their uniform shirts.

That is probably it. I retract everything I said. Except that the guys in the courthouse aren't wearing vests. They admit they are not wearing body armor. They might have it close at hand and can throw it on as they are running to a situation, but they don't wear it during normal duties in the courthouse my husband works in.

[swamp]

Feb 26, 2018 10:18:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Feb 26, 2018 9:11:36 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

You might not notice them. Technology has improved somewhat since the first vests came out. Most are worn underneath their uniform shirts now. They aren't as bulky as the old ones and you probably wouldn't even notice them.  At least that's how it is around here. The tactical teams - you may notice vests on them because they are usually on the outside of their clothing but most law enforcement officers wear them under their uniform shirts.

That is probably it. I retract everything I said. Except that the guys in the courthouse aren't wearing vests. They admit they are not wearing body armor. They might have it close at hand and can throw it on as they are running to a situation, but they don't wear it during normal duties in the courthouse my husband works in.

Is it a federal courthouse?

That's weird.  Little upstate NY county here, all the security wear vests.   They're NYS officers, and it's mandated by the state. 

[Virgil Showlion]

In India, Mongolia, Afghanistan, Nepal, and Northern China all, peace officers are required to wear claw-, teeth-, and acid-proof vests.

By now even the lot of you should be able to figure out why.

[steff]

I can't find which thread it was on & I'm not going hunting for it.    But the father of the student that claimed his question was "altered" by CNN has admitted to "leaving off words" that altered the emails & he shopped those around.   In other words, CNN didn't change his question, didn't stage the questions, and didn't do what they were accused of on Fox News or by a couple of posters here.  The father altered the email exchange to make it appear as if the questions were staged.  Claims he didn't do it on purpose, but I think that can be questioned now considering how he & his son tried to run with their version of the story which was....wait for it....FAKE NEWS! 

www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/27/shooting-survivors-father-admits-email-changes-in-cnn-spat/

[tallguy]

It is on the "fourteen year old responds....) thread. 

Sounds like, 'I didn't mean to cut out the words that prove I was lying!  Really!'  

I for one believe him.  I mean, how could you not?  

[steff]

Thank you!

[OldCoyote]

Feb 16, 2018 12:06:57 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Abdicating their responsibility to actually do something" is your (Tallguy's) assessment. While it's undoubtedly true in some cases, it's a baseless accusation. When no solution whose benefits outweigh its costs exists, doing nothing is the only responsible thing to do.

Nope the has been a assault weapons ban before which ran out in 2004. (in response to a School massacre) During that the the number of kids dying in School shootings dropped significantly


some would like this to be looked at again.

The "right to bear arms" isn't infinite anyway....... You cant have a helicopter gunship or a cruise missile.
Its about finding what is right for society and enacting it under the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act

benefits outweigh its costs

What price do you put on the life of those kids? ...or the next lot of dead kids when it inevitably happens again.

Doing "nothing" would be negligent.

It was during Clinton's gun ban that Columbine took place.
www.truthrevolt.org/news/flashback-cbs-reported-clintons-94-assault-weapons-ban-didnt-prevent-columbine

[tallguy]

Feb 27, 2018 22:50:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Feb 16, 2018 12:06:57 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Nope the has been a assault weapons ban before which ran out in 2004. (in response to a School massacre) During that the the number of kids dying in School shootings dropped significantly


some would like this to be looked at again.

The "right to bear arms" isn't infinite anyway....... You cant have a helicopter gunship or a cruise missile.
Its about finding what is right for society and enacting it under the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act

What price do you put on the life of those kids? ...or the next lot of dead kids when it inevitably happens again.

Doing "nothing" would be negligent.

It was during Clinton's gun ban that Columbine took place.
www.truthrevolt.org/news/flashback-cbs-reported-clintons-94-assault-weapons-ban-didnt-prevent-columbine

Did the Columbine shooters legally buy any of their guns themselves?

[ken a.k.a OMK]

No they bought them from friends who bought them at a gun show.

In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. Their friend, Robyn Anderson, had inadvertently[29] bought a rifle and the two shotguns used in the massacre at the Tanner Gun Show in December 1998.[30] Through Philip Duran,[31] another friend, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500. After the massacre, Manes and Duran were prosecuted for their roles in supplying guns to Harris and Klebold.[32][33] Each was charged with supplying a handgun to a minor and possession of a sawed-off shotgun. Manes and Duran were sentenced to a total of six years and four-and-a-half years in prison, respectively.[34]

[tallguy]

Feb 28, 2018 14:12:51 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

No they bought them from friends who bought them at a gun show.

In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. Their friend, Robyn Anderson, had inadvertently[29] bought a rifle and the two shotguns used in the massacre at the Tanner Gun Show in December 1998.[30] Through Philip Duran,[31] another friend, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500. After the massacre, Manes and Duran were prosecuted for their roles in supplying guns to Harris and Klebold.[32][33] Each was charged with supplying a handgun to a minor and possession of a sawed-off shotgun. Manes and Duran were sentenced to a total of six years and four-and-a-half years in prison, respectively.[34]

   Yes, I know.  I'm wondering if the other poster does?  

[OldCoyote]

Feb 28, 2018 13:55:47 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Feb 27, 2018 22:50:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

It was during Clinton's gun ban that Columbine took place.
www.truthrevolt.org/news/flashback-cbs-reported-clintons-94-assault-weapons-ban-didnt-prevent-columbine

Did the Columbine shooters legally buy any of their guns themselves?

It does not matter if they were legally bought or not. they still killed a bunch of people!

Hell they made bombs also, I doubt if they were legal.

It is the people that kill others, those guns don't shoot people by themselves.
 

[tallguy]

Feb 28, 2018 19:26:58 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Feb 28, 2018 13:55:47 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Did the Columbine shooters legally buy any of their guns themselves?

It does not matter if they were legally bought or not. they still killed a bunch of people!

Hell they made bombs also, I doubt if they were legal.

It is the people that kill others, those guns don't shoot people by themselves.
 

It matters if you are equating Columbine with all of the mass shootings that have occurred since the ban ended.  And the one weapon that was subject to the ban we don't really know (as far as I am aware) how many of the 13 deaths can be attributed.

[thyme4change]

At lunch today, there were 5 police officers at the table next to us. One was wearing a visible vest, 3 were in uniform, but did not appear to be wearing a vest, and the 5th guy was in khakis and a polo shirt with the police logo. The three in the uniforms might have been wearing something under their shirts, but they looked much less stiff than the guy who was wearing the vest on top of his clothes.

[OldCoyote]

In the Parkland shooting where just about every one from the Sheriff's deputy, school officials, FBI, and the local police dept. fail in their jobs!

Now I see that the emergency medical teams were hindered in doing their jobs!

Wonder if the medical examiner's report will be released showing how many of these kids were allowed to bleed out because of the delays??

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-paramedics-delayed-by-chaos-at-school-new-audio-recordings-reveal/ar-AAvPOXF?ocid=spartandhp

[billisonboard]

Apr 13, 2018 6:19:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

In the Parkland shooting where just about every one from the Sheriff's deputy, school officials, FBI, and the local police dept. fail in their jobs!

Now I see that the emergency medical teams were hindered in doing their jobs!

Wonder if the medical examiner's report will be released showing how many of these kids were allowed to bleed out because of the delays??

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-paramedics-delayed-by-chaos-at-school-new-audio-recordings-reveal/ar-AAvPOXF?ocid=spartandhp

Hmmmm?

At some point, some vehicles were blocking others.

Yes, that sort of thing happens in these types of situations.

[billisonboard]

Apr 13, 2018 6:19:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

In the Parkland shooting where just about every one from the Sheriff's deputy, school officials, FBI, and the local police dept. fail in their jobs!

Now I see that the emergency medical teams were hindered in doing their jobs!

Wonder if the medical examiner's report will be released showing how many of these kids were allowed to bleed out because of the delays??

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/parkland-paramedics-delayed-by-chaos-at-school-new-audio-recordings-reveal/ar-AAvPOXF?ocid=spartandhp

Manhunt prevented rescue helicopter from helping injured

...

"We can't put the bird down yet due to an active hazard," a commander replied.

...

I think not creating a situation in which a pilot could be shot leading to a crash or giving access of a helicopter to someone attempting to escape a scene is a good idea.

[Tennesseer]

This Parkland teacher left his gun in a public bathroom. It was loaded, BSO says.

Not the most normal sight: a gun left in the bathroom stall.

But that's exactly what went down on Sunday in a men's room at the Deerfield Beach Pier.

The circumstances of how the Glock 9mm got there are unusual.


According to the Broward Sheriff's Office, the weapon was left by Sean Simpson. If his name sounds familiar, he's the teacher at Marjory Stoneman Douglas who said he'd be willing to arm himself while on duty.

According to the sheriff's office report, Simpson told deputies he'd left his gun by accident. By the time the chemistry teacher realized his mistake, the Glock was already in the hands of a drunk homeless man who had picked it up and fired. The bullet hit a wall.

Simpson was able to grab the gun away from the vagrant, Joseph Spataro, who was charged with firing a weapon while intoxicated and trespassing.

As for the MSD teacher, he was arrested and charged with failing to safely store a firearm, a second-degree misdemeanor. Simpson posted a $250 cash bond and was released.

Rest of article at below link.

Read more here: www.miamiherald.com/news/article208653029.html?via=newsletter&source=CSAMedition#storylink=cpy

[OldCoyote]

www.orlandosentinel.com/news/fl-reg-parkland-student-draws-fire-for-shooting-ar15-at-gun-range-20180425-story.html

We go from many parkland shooter run ins with the FBI , the Sheriffs office and the school officials. Cases where the kid showed some real problems,  nothing was done.

Now we have a young man at a shooting range, being taught how to properly use the weapon ,, brought in for interrogation. '

unlike the other, there were no threats, only fun at the gun range.

[OldCoyote]

I see David Hogg now has a book deal.

I have one question, in the Parkland shooting where exactly was David Hogg?
Does any one know?

[billisonboard]

Apr 28, 2018 9:42:54 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I see David Hogg now has a book deal.

I have one question, in the Parkland shooting where exactly was David Hogg?
Does any one know?

yes

[weltschmerz]

Apr 28, 2018 9:42:54 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I see David Hogg now has a book deal.

I have one question, in the Parkland shooting where exactly was David Hogg?
Does any one know?

Yes, of course. You don't?

[OldCoyote]

It appears that he was no where close ,,, he did hear an imaginary shot though!

[billisonboard]

Apr 28, 2018 20:26:20 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

It appears that he was no where close ,,, he did hear an imaginary shot though!

So maybe there is nothing for him to write about. Hmmmm? Hey I know. AC, why don't you buy the book and find out. I look forward to getting your book report.

[OldCoyote]

I might check out his book,
Did you follow his financial advice?

[billisonboard]

Apr 29, 2018 7:48:16 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I might check out his book,
Did you follow his financial advice?

l don't follow him the way that you do. Did he offer advice? Was it worth following?

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 28, 2018 9:42:54 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I see David Hogg now has a book deal.

Let me guess.

"High on the Hogg: How to Spin Tragedy into Pseudocelebrity in the 21st Century"

With a foreword by Cliven Bundy.

[Tennesseer]

Breaking news:

Jury in. Looks like Nicholas Cruz will be sentenced to life without possibility of parole.

News article to come.