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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2017 14:43:25 GMT -5
From a male perspective, getting naked in a dressing room means keeping your eyes up and showering or changing as quickly as possible. The guys parading around naked are showing off above average parts. Maybe we should compliment them. BTW in the Navy they had a saying "don't bend over to pick up the soap." hahahaha
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 29, 2017 15:03:18 GMT -5
Personally, I'd rather be in a room full of naked men than women, but that's just me... That all depends on said men, I don't wanna see grandpa naked, thanks anyway.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 29, 2017 15:05:56 GMT -5
Personally, I'd rather be in a room full of naked men than women, but that's just me... MPL gets it.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 29, 2017 15:15:23 GMT -5
Is there anyone who really likes getting naked in a locker room?
I think we need to regulate that more than we regulate who can see whose naughty bits. People who want to get naked in front of strangers are the weirdos. The bathrooms at the park don't have stall doors and I really had to go before Ben's game on Tuesday and this little girl was washing her hands right in front of my stall and her Grandma kept saying don't stare honey. Lol. I was like whatever I'm hunched over so no one could see anything but it took a while to go that way.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 29, 2017 15:15:50 GMT -5
It's important to realize that if someone doesn't agree with you, it does not mean they aren't listening. It means they listened and think you are full of shit!
Ok...that was just kidding, but it's sort of true. I'm a good listener. That's the way I learn. If I disagree with what you are saying, it doesn't mean I wasn't listening. It means I listened and I don't agree. Because I didn't change my mind doesn't mean I didn't listen. It means I listened and nothing you said changed my mind. It's really as simple as that.
I absolutely agree we all need to listen more. I also think we all need to examine what we say before it comes out of our mouth, just to make sure we aren't accusing others of the exact things we are guilty of ourselves.
To the point of the OP...it's easy to assume others don't care about people because they don't want to pay out the nose for each and everything that, for whatever reason, people can't get for themselves. It's easy...until you remember what it was like to live paycheck to paycheck. Remember what it was like to work your ass off and have maybe $50.00 as disposable income for the month. Yeah...that will make it ok to pay 17 more cents for a Big Mac, but when you add the Big Mac onto the 900 other things people who work are supposed to pay for, suddenly you and your kids are going without. It's not because people don't care - most of the time anyway. It's because they have to take care of the people they are responsible for first.
It's easy to set around taking jabs at people and calling them heartless when those few cents don't make a damn bit of difference to the one insinuating others are selfish. But for some people, those few cents make a big difference.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jun 29, 2017 15:24:05 GMT -5
I remember when we needed about $15 more a week to make ends meet so I got a part time job. I had a full time job and reserve duty 1 weekend a month. I bought gas with quarters. OK gas was only 35 cents a gallon. Our portfolio is now $2.3 M and we have no debt and own 2 houses so I think we did well.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 29, 2017 15:24:10 GMT -5
"Do you seriously think there is any chance that Roe v Wade will be reversed and abortions will somehow become illegal? I'm very much pro-life but that doesn't even enter my thought process when voting because I know that I am in the minority. I'm not going to waste my vote to change what I cannot change. I will vote against tax dollars being used to pay for abortio"
It may not get overturned, but on a state level it has become increasingly difficult to obtain one even a medically necessary abortion. Missouri now has legislation in the works that would allow employers and landlords to discriminate if you had one. I had friends who at the time lived in Memphis that had an uncertain prenatal diagnosis. They were advised that if they wanted to terminate the pregnancy they would have to go to Atlanta. I hear people talk about just going out and getting an abortion like it is easy and you can get one anywhere and I don't think that is true based on my limited research/anecdotal evidence.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jun 29, 2017 15:31:39 GMT -5
I remember when abortions were illegal and women died or were mutilated in unhealthy places. People sin all the time. Let the woman make the decision and deal with her God. I'm sure it isn't an easy decision, but why do we let men decide for her? Especially men of God who have their own sins to deal with.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2017 15:38:01 GMT -5
I remember when we needed about $15 more a week to make ends meet so I got a part time job. I had a full time job and reserve duty 1 weekend a month. I bought gas with quarters. OK gas was only 35 cents a gallon. Our portfolio is now $2.3 M and we have no debt and own 2 houses so I think we did well. But see the difference? You needed money so you got another job and took on that responsibility of providing for your family. Anymore it seems that people would rather rely on taxpayer handouts than work a little harder. I'm sure it sucked at the time but you went on to become very successful
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jun 29, 2017 15:43:45 GMT -5
Miss T I see the difference. I won't take up for lazy people. I do believe in giving people a hand to help themselves. You may have started out behind me but I still had to work for what I have as you have.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2017 15:46:18 GMT -5
Miss T I see the difference. I won't take up for lazy people. I do believe in giving people a hand to help themselves. You may have started out behind me but I still had to work for what I have as you have. Exactly
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2017 15:49:48 GMT -5
"Do you seriously think there is any chance that Roe v Wade will be reversed and abortions will somehow become illegal? I'm very much pro-life but that doesn't even enter my thought process when voting because I know that I am in the minority. I'm not going to waste my vote to change what I cannot change. I will vote against tax dollars being used to pay for abortio" It may not get overturned, but on a state level it has become increasingly difficult to obtain one even a medically necessary abortion. Missouri now has legislation in the works that would allow employers and landlords to discriminate if you had one. I had friends who at the time lived in Memphis that had an uncertain prenatal diagnosis. They were advised that if they wanted to terminate the pregnancy they would have to go to Atlanta. I hear people talk about just going out and getting an abortion like it is easy and you can get one anywhere and I don't think that is true based on my limited research/anecdotal evidence. Fair point. I actually just did a quick google search because I'm not exactly up on how easy it is to get an abortion (like I said earlier, abortion does not come into play when I vote so I have no reason to research it....I have no uterus ). It does look like the Midwest in particular, does not have a lot of options.
I'm torn on this, to be honest. I am 100% pro-life but on the other hand, my side lost. If abortions are legal shouldn't they not be that difficult to get? I can't even freaking believe I just said that...what the fuck have you all done to me??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:54:06 GMT -5
Women should be able to just get an abortion at their regular hospital with their regular OB. They shouldn't have to drive hundreds of miles to some back alley clinic with protesters out front (and yes, a lot of them are still very much back alley, run down dives).
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Post by movingforward on Jun 29, 2017 15:54:23 GMT -5
"Do you seriously think there is any chance that Roe v Wade will be reversed and abortions will somehow become illegal? I'm very much pro-life but that doesn't even enter my thought process when voting because I know that I am in the minority. I'm not going to waste my vote to change what I cannot change. I will vote against tax dollars being used to pay for abortio" It may not get overturned, but on a state level it has become increasingly difficult to obtain one even a medically necessary abortion. Missouri now has legislation in the works that would allow employers and landlords to discriminate if you had one. I had friends who at the time lived in Memphis that had an uncertain prenatal diagnosis. They were advised that if they wanted to terminate the pregnancy they would have to go to Atlanta. I hear people talk about just going out and getting an abortion like it is easy and you can get one anywhere and I don't think that is true based on my limited research/anecdotal evidence. Fair point. I actually just did a quick google search because I'm not exactly up on how easy it is to get an abortion (like I said earlier, abortion does not come into play when I vote so I have no reason to research it....I have no uterus ). It does look like the Midwest in particular, does not have a lot of options.
I'm torn on this, to be honest. I am 100% pro-life but on the other hand, my side lost. If abortions are legal shouldn't they not be that difficult to get? I can't even freaking believe I just said that...what the fuck have you all done to me??
Seriously though...this is a prime example of people actually having a rational discuss about something
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Post by giramomma on Jun 29, 2017 15:56:41 GMT -5
Shoot. I had a whole big post and I lost it.
To Sum up: Oberlin's had unisex bathrooms in the dorms 20+ years ago. People dealt. A good friend of mine went there for undergrad. She found it to be no big deal. Unisex rooms are not all that new-fangled.
Gender fluidity:
I have a boy that does not act very boyish: not into sports until really late (and not very good at sports), at 13 he's not into porn/girls/taking 30 minute showers, building things, anything mechanical. Hates science and math. He's sensitive as all hell and doesn't like to touch gross thing.
I have a girl that is not very girlish: won't wear a dress except for 20 minutes once a year, won't play with dolls, but will play with all the neat boy toys her brother never did. She doesn't mind touching gross things. She's interested in using tools and all things mechanical. And she's going to be my sporty kid.
It would not surprise me, at some point if my DS and the peanut come out as gay or identify with different genders than their sex organs. It's just not who they are. DS talks about getting married and having kids and I'm like, really...are you sure?
And as a parent, I don't have many choices. I mean my choices are to accept my kids for who they are or drive them away because they aren't clinging to gender stereo-types.
I'm not interested in sinking time and energy into raising them only to behave in such a way that my adult kids tell me "Sure, you did some nice things for us, but you sure were an asshole. You kept pushing me to be someone I'm not because you couldn't accept the fact that I don't identify with my gender. I don't want to be around that, nor do I want my kids to be around that."
That means, I will have failed as a parent.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 29, 2017 16:00:19 GMT -5
Women should be able to just get an abortion at their regular hospital with their regular OB. They shouldn't have to drive hundreds of miles to some back alley clinic with protesters out front (and yes, a lot of them are still very much back alley, run down dives). there was supply chain job at a PP about 15 miles from me. I didn't even consider applying because I'd be afraid to go to work every day.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 29, 2017 16:03:55 GMT -5
"Do you seriously think there is any chance that Roe v Wade will be reversed and abortions will somehow become illegal? I'm very much pro-life but that doesn't even enter my thought process when voting because I know that I am in the minority. I'm not going to waste my vote to change what I cannot change. I will vote against tax dollars being used to pay for abortio" It may not get overturned, but on a state level it has become increasingly difficult to obtain one even a medically necessary abortion. Missouri now has legislation in the works that would allow employers and landlords to discriminate if you had one. I had friends who at the time lived in Memphis that had an uncertain prenatal diagnosis. They were advised that if they wanted to terminate the pregnancy they would have to go to Atlanta. I hear people talk about just going out and getting an abortion like it is easy and you can get one anywhere and I don't think that is true based on my limited research/anecdotal evidence. This actually is going a step further. Employers and landlords can also discriminate against single women who use birth control. I'm not sure how they'd get around HIPAA though.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 29, 2017 16:04:05 GMT -5
Shoot. I had a whole big post and I lost it. To Sum up: Oberlin's had unisex bathrooms in the dorms 20+ years ago. People dealt. A good friend of mine went there for undergrad. She found it to be no big deal. Unisex rooms are not all that new-fangled. Gender fluidity: I have a boy that does not act very boyish: not into sports until really late (and not very good at sports), at 13 he's not into porn/girls/taking 30 minute showers, building things, anything mechanical. Hates science and math. He's sensitive as all hell and doesn't like to touch gross thing. I have a girl that is not very girlish: won't wear a dress except for 20 minutes once a year, won't play with dolls, but will play with all the neat boy toys her brother never did. She doesn't mind touching gross things. She's interested in using tools and all things mechanical. And she's going to be my sporty kid. It would not surprise me, at some point if my DS and the peanut come out as gay or identify with different genders than their sex organs. It's just not who they are. DS talks about getting married and having kids and I'm like, really...are you sure? And as a parent, I don't have many choices. I mean my choices are to accept my kids for who they are or drive them away because they aren't clinging to gender stereo-types. I'm not interested in sinking time and energy into raising them only to behave in such a way that my adult kids tell me "Sure, you did some nice things for us, but you sure were an asshole. You kept pushing me to be someone I'm not because you couldn't accept the fact that I don't identify with my gender. I don't want to be around that, nor do I want my kids to be around that." That means, I will have failed as a parent. the problem is that we associate sports, bottling your emotions, math, and science with males and emotional expression, concern about cleanliness/smelling good/appearance, and "soft sciences" with females. I know men like your son and they are definitely straight. And I know some women like your daughter. People are into what they are into. I think it's just that simple.
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2017 16:07:42 GMT -5
Shoot. I had a whole big post and I lost it. To Sum up: Oberlin's had unisex bathrooms in the dorms 20+ years ago. People dealt. A good friend of mine went there for undergrad. She found it to be no big deal. Unisex rooms are not all that new-fangled. Gender fluidity: I have a boy that does not act very boyish: not into sports until really late (and not very good at sports), at 13 he's not into porn/girls/taking 30 minute showers, building things, anything mechanical. Hates science and math. He's sensitive as all hell and doesn't like to touch gross thing. I have a girl that is not very girlish: won't wear a dress except for 20 minutes once a year, won't play with dolls, but will play with all the neat boy toys her brother never did. She doesn't mind touching gross things. She's interested in using tools and all things mechanical. And she's going to be my sporty kid. It would not surprise me, at some point if my DS and the peanut come out as gay or identify with different genders than their sex organs. It's just not who they are. DS talks about getting married and having kids and I'm like, really...are you sure? And as a parent, I don't have many choices. I mean my choices are to accept my kids for who they are or drive them away because they aren't clinging to gender stereo-types. I'm not interested in sinking time and energy into raising them only to behave in such a way that my adult kids tell me "Sure, you did some nice things for us, but you sure were an asshole. You kept pushing me to be someone I'm not because you couldn't accept the fact that I don't identify with my gender. I don't want to be around that, nor do I want my kids to be around that." That means, I will have failed as a parent. the problem is that we associate sports, bottling your emotions, math, and science with males and emotional expression, concern about cleanliness/smelling good/appearance, and "soft sciences" with females. I know men like your son and they are definitely straight. And I know some women like your daughter. People are into what they are into. I think it's just that simple.
DH and I joke about him "there's the man I fell in love with." I'm the one who likes sports and outdoorsy stuff. I'm the finance person at the house. He's the decorator.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 29, 2017 16:07:51 GMT -5
Is there anyone who really likes getting naked in a locker room?
I think we need to regulate that more than we regulate who can see whose naughty bits. People who want to get naked in front of strangers are the weirdos. LOL! But I do remember several posters saying changing in a group setting was no big deal (in one of the other arguments we had about this). I KNEW there was something wrong with them I think at least some of us had been lifelong athletes, so we never really found anything weird about it. personally, I snag the corner locker room spot and turn around at specific times as I work through my hockey gear. as to what the others around me are doing, I don't really pay attention.
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2017 16:12:14 GMT -5
LOL! But I do remember several posters saying changing in a group setting was no big deal (in one of the other arguments we had about this). I KNEW there was something wrong with them I think at least some of us had been lifelong athletes, so we never really found anything weird about it. personally, I snag the corner locker room spot and turn around at specific times as I work through my hockey gear. as to what the others around me are doing, I don't really pay attention. I've always played sports, and always changed in locker rooms. I do it, I don't think it's weird to do. But people who like to change in front of others, they're weird.
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Post by movingforward on Jun 29, 2017 16:20:09 GMT -5
There are people at my gym that have no problem with stripping down completely naked in the locker room. We actually have changing stalls, not bathroom stalls, that have curtains and are specifically there for changing clothes. I never have a problem finding an empty one to use because everyone else is just getting naked in the open area. That is fine if that is what they wish to do but it isn't my choice. Most of them are swimmers so they are ALL the way naked when changing after being in the pool. A lot are 85 year old women from the water aerobics class. When I am 85 I guess I might not give a crap either.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jun 29, 2017 16:20:23 GMT -5
I think at least some of us had been lifelong athletes, so we never really found anything weird about it. personally, I snag the corner locker room spot and turn around at specific times as I work through my hockey gear. as to what the others around me are doing, I don't really pay attention. I've always played sports, and always changed in locker rooms. I do it, I don't think it's weird to do. But people who like to change in front of others, they're weird. Half the reason I joined band in 6th grade was to get out of PE and to never have to change in the locker room. (back then you could actually get out of PE like that)
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2017 16:26:46 GMT -5
Women should be able to just get an abortion at their regular hospital with their regular OB. They shouldn't have to drive hundreds of miles to some back alley clinic with protesters out front (and yes, a lot of them are still very much back alley, run down dives). there was supply chain job at a PP about 15 miles from me. I didn't even consider applying because I'd be afraid to go to work every day. I received a call from a recruiter asking me if I would be interested in the CFO job at a PP...I thought I was being punked!lol. I politely declined
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 29, 2017 16:30:19 GMT -5
I think at least some of us had been lifelong athletes, so we never really found anything weird about it. personally, I snag the corner locker room spot and turn around at specific times as I work through my hockey gear. as to what the others around me are doing, I don't really pay attention. I've always played sports, and always changed in locker rooms. I do it, I don't think it's weird to do. But people who like to change in front of others, they're weird. right. I was commenting to Miss T saying that some of us had said it wasn't a big deal. I don't look forward to it, but I would prefer it to an invasive GYN visit, for example. but to me it isn't a huge deal. that's all.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2017 16:33:39 GMT -5
Shoot. I had a whole big post and I lost it. To Sum up: Oberlin's had unisex bathrooms in the dorms 20+ years ago. People dealt. A good friend of mine went there for undergrad. She found it to be no big deal. Unisex rooms are not all that new-fangled. Gender fluidity: I have a boy that does not act very boyish: not into sports until really late (and not very good at sports), at 13 he's not into porn/girls/taking 30 minute showers, building things, anything mechanical. Hates science and math. He's sensitive as all hell and doesn't like to touch gross thing. I have a girl that is not very girlish: won't wear a dress except for 20 minutes once a year, won't play with dolls, but will play with all the neat boy toys her brother never did. She doesn't mind touching gross things. She's interested in using tools and all things mechanical. And she's going to be my sporty kid. It would not surprise me, at some point if my DS and the peanut come out as gay or identify with different genders than their sex organs. It's just not who they are. DS talks about getting married and having kids and I'm like, really...are you sure? And as a parent, I don't have many choices. I mean my choices are to accept my kids for who they are or drive them away because they aren't clinging to gender stereo-types. I'm not interested in sinking time and energy into raising them only to behave in such a way that my adult kids tell me "Sure, you did some nice things for us, but you sure were an asshole. You kept pushing me to be someone I'm not because you couldn't accept the fact that I don't identify with my gender. I don't want to be around that, nor do I want my kids to be around that." That means, I will have failed as a parent. When I was young I was not girly at all. I hated dolls, I hated dresses, etc. Then I hit puberty and turned boy crazy. I'm not high maintenance but I would I'm not low maintenance either My issue is that now a days we even wonder if our child isn't the gender they were born long before a child has any clue. I was probably a Tom boy in certain ways but that certainly didn't mean I wasn't a girl. Now it seems that parents push their kids to identify as other than what they are. I don't mean that about you. Just that I've read articles about very young kids taking on a different gender even before puberty. It seems to be the "in" thing now
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 17:17:33 GMT -5
Gender and sexuality are different. Most people who strongly identify with the gender opposite their physical construction know at a very young age.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 17:19:45 GMT -5
And I just hear Gira saying it isn't up to her and she's open to accepting her kids as they are...
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2017 17:34:43 GMT -5
I don't see anyone pushing their kid to be something they aren't. I do see a lot more acceptance of behaviors outside of "normal" gender line boundaries.
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Post by bean29 on Jun 29, 2017 18:03:09 GMT -5
Shoot. I had a whole big post and I lost it. To Sum up: Oberlin's had unisex bathrooms in the dorms 20+ years ago. People dealt. A good friend of mine went there for undergrad. She found it to be no big deal. Unisex rooms are not all that new-fangled. Gender fluidity: I have a boy that does not act very boyish: not into sports until really late (and not very good at sports), at 13 he's not into porn/girls/taking 30 minute showers, building things, anything mechanical. Hates science and math. He's sensitive as all hell and doesn't like to touch gross thing. I have a girl that is not very girlish: won't wear a dress except for 20 minutes once a year, won't play with dolls, but will play with all the neat boy toys her brother never did. She doesn't mind touching gross things. She's interested in using tools and all things mechanical. And she's going to be my sporty kid. It would not surprise me, at some point if my DS and the peanut come out as gay or identify with different genders than their sex organs. It's just not who they are. DS talks about getting married and having kids and I'm like, really...are you sure? And as a parent, I don't have many choices. I mean my choices are to accept my kids for who they are or drive them away because they aren't clinging to gender stereo-types. I'm not interested in sinking time and energy into raising them only to behave in such a way that my adult kids tell me "Sure, you did some nice things for us, but you sure were an asshole. You kept pushing me to be someone I'm not because you couldn't accept the fact that I don't identify with my gender. I don't want to be around that, nor do I want my kids to be around that." That means, I will have failed as a parent. When I was young I was not girly at all. I hated dolls, I hated dresses, etc. Then I hit puberty and turned boy crazy. I'm not high maintenance but I would I'm not low maintenance either My issue is that now a days we even wonder if our child isn't the gender they were born long before a child has any clue. I was probably a Tom boy in certain ways but that certainly didn't mean I wasn't a girl. Now it seems that parents push their kids to identify as other than what they are. I don't mean that about you. Just that I've read articles about very young kids taking on a different gender even before puberty. It seems to be the "in" thing now I agree with what Giramomma is saying, but I also agree with MT. When I read those articles, and people are encouraging/allowing their young children to start the gender reassignment process, I am scandalized. I can not help but think what if they are wrong...it just seems like a decision that should be made on a well thought out basis as an adult.
But like Girammomma, I had days when I looked at one of my kids and had my doubts about their sexuality. I decided I was horrified by the thought of them committing suicide b/c people were not accepting of who they are, so I try to maintain an accepting demeanor and have an open mind. I also feel very strongly about marriage equality.
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