Attention Hillary backers: this one is for you!

[zibazinski]

Uh huh.

[zibazinski]

So these social programs that you advocate you don't follow?

[dondub]

What's so hard to understand about being fiscally responsible yet in support of a safety net?

[zibazinski]

The safety net of having months of vacation, not being a slave to your job and even more interesting, a slave to your employer.

[dondub]

Who gets months of vacation anywhere?

[zibazinski]

The Europeans whose model we should embrace unless of course we own a business. 😜

[Deleted]

It's hard to pick a piece of another system without looking at the whole structure. I had two foreign exchange students who loved us lower tax system, until they needed some medical/dental thing and then they were appalled at the cost. People like to quote irelands low corporate tax rate, but not their correspondingly higher individual rate, etc...

[dondub]

Austria has a the longest vacation day guarantees in the EU with 22 paid days and 13 paid holidays.

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Jan 8, 2017 13:16:16 GMT -5 dondub said:

Of course you didn't We all know that truth is hard for you to believe.
 

Whatever you say....such as Solyndra was a govt. program.

Never said Solyndra was a government program. The UNSECURED government LOANS  that they defaulted on, however... they WERE a government program.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 8, 2017 20:22:01 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

So these social programs that you advocate you don't follow?

what social programs are those?

[zibazinski]

They were mentioned in previous posts

[djAdvocate]

Jan 8, 2017 22:30:00 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

They were mentioned in previous posts

yes, they were.  are you still all pushed out of shape about the 3 month vacation?

[zibazinski]

Not me. I think it's ridiculous but you seemed all fired up about it so I thought you might want to implement it.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 8, 2017 22:37:03 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Not me. I think it's ridiculous but you seemed all fired up about it so I thought you might want to implement it.

the only one that is fired up is you, zib.

edit: but thanks, at least i know what point you are obsessing over, now.

[zibazinski]

I see. Talk the talk but don't walk the walk. 👏🏻

[djAdvocate]

Jan 8, 2017 22:40:21 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I see. Talk the talk but don't walk the walk. 👏🏻

let's cut to the chase: would you or would you NOT want (3) months of vacation if it were offered you?

[Value Buy]

Back to the thread premise of bad polling COSTING Hillary the election.....
from the article:


That, it seemed, was that. The poll was the “gold standard” for Wisconsin, having nailed the results of the 2012 and 2014 elections. A planned Trump rally in Wisconsin was canceled; the candidate stumped in Minnesota instead. 


When Trump did win it, Franklin was not in Wisconsin. He was in New York, aiding ABC News on its election decision desk, and watched the entire Midwest swing toward Donald Trump by a greater margin than any poll had suggested. In most of Wisconsin, Trump was outperforming the poll by six points; in the Milwaukee suburbs, where he was supposed to be unusually weak, he ran ahead of the poll by 10 points.



“No one will ever say the Marquette poll is 'never wrong' ever again,” Franklin said in an interview this week. “We've now been wrong. It's that simple.”



It was a different story in the states, where a half-dozen pollsters, seen as rock-solid for their command of the local numbers, saw a Clinton win that never materialized. In Ohio, which seemed to have slipped away from Clinton in the summer, the Columbus Dispatch's unique mail poll — praised by Silver as the country's most accurate — seemed to find late movement her way. Its final numbers, released on the Sunday before the election, found Clinton and Trump deadlocked. Two days later, Trump triumphed in Ohio by eight points, the biggest Republican victory in the state since 1988.



“I realized that our poll, which showed Clinton leading by one point the weekend before the election, was going to be 'wrong' as I was monitoring results from across Ohio showing her underperforming in urban counties and Trump rolling up extraordinary margins in more rural areas,” said Darrell Rowland, the Dispatch reporter who runs the poll. “Our presidential poll has never been that far off in my memory nor that of my predecessor, who started at the Dispatch in the early 1970s.”



In Michigan, which went red for the first time in 28 years, the final EPIC/MRA poll found Clinton clinging to a four-point lead over Trump. Unlike in Wisconsin, neither Trump's nor Clinton's campaign responded like the state was deadlocked. Nonetheless, that poll — and all but one Michigan poll conducted in 2016 — pointed to a Clinton victory that never happened.

[zibazinski]

Well, when voters were harassed, beaten, and vilified for not supporting Hillary it's no wonder they didn't come out!

[Value Buy]

Jan 8, 2017 22:45:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 8, 2017 22:40:21 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I see. Talk the talk but don't walk the walk. 👏🏻

want to get personal? would you or would you NOT want (3) months of vacation if it were offered you?

My father earned 12 week vacations while at USS. 
I forget how often he earned them. It was part of the union contract for senior members and it came every couple of years if I remember correctly. The other years it was about four weeks.
He never took more than four weeks at a time. He would go stir crazy, even if he took us on a three week vacation by car.
Even then he wondered how the company could do that and make money.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 8, 2017 22:50:45 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 8, 2017 22:45:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

want to get personal? would you or would you NOT want (3) months of vacation if it were offered you?

My father earned 12 week vacations while at USS. 
I forget how often he earned them. It was part of the union contract for senior members and it came every couple of years if I remember correctly. The other years it was about four weeks.
He never took more than four weeks at a time. He would go stir crazy, even if he took us on a three week vacation by car.
Even then he wondered how the company could do that and make money.

could you find things to do?  i know i could.

[dondub]

Never said Solyndra was a government program. 

Well you actually did. I even posted the reply #'s for you but you ignored them as that would have revealed truth and fact that would be like 68=100. Can't have that.

[Deleted]

Jan 8, 2017 23:28:55 GMT -5 dondub said:

Never said Solyndra was a government program. 

Well you actually did. I even posted the reply #'s for you but you ignored them as that would have revealed truth and fact that would be like 68=100. Can't have that.

NO. I actually didn't. Quit posting damn lies about me.

If I posted "Solyndra was Obama's issue" it wasn't referring to Solyndra being a government program It was referring to the problems with Solyndra's loans is Obama's issue/fault.

If you can't understand simple sentences and phrases, don't blame your failings on me.

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 8, 2017 21:06:23 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

The Europeans whose model we should embrace unless of course we own a business. 😜

As examples to follow......Greece, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal as examples u say??

[Value Buy]

Jan 8, 2017 22:55:37 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 8, 2017 22:50:45 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

My father earned 12 week vacations while at USS. 
I forget how often he earned them. It was part of the union contract for senior members and it came every couple of years if I remember correctly. The other years it was about four weeks.
He never took more than four weeks at a time. He would go stir crazy, even if he took us on a three week vacation by car.
Even then he wondered how the company could do that and make money.

could you find things to do?  i know i could.

I was in middle management level. In charge of about 120 associates at my location. Family owned business.
I probably would think things would collapse at work if I were out for 12 weeks, or upper management would realize I was not necessary for the success of the business if it continued on without me successfully for 12 weeks

Could I find things to do?
Oh, heck yes.