Attention Hillary backers: this one is for you!

[Value Buy]

No, it wasn't Putin that cost Hillary the election.
It was the pollsters who kept telling her she had the election bagged and gift wrapped.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/state-pollsters-pummeled-by-2016-analyze-what-went-wrong/ar-BBxJqgn?li=BBnb7Kz

I will add  for all of you!

[zibazinski]

[Deleted]

Dewey wins !

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Tell me again how the sore losers here keep whining about the election??   

[Value Buy]

Dec 30, 2016 16:01:49 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Tell me again how the sore losers here keep whining about the election??   

 I am simply trying to stop some of the whining on the boards. 
I am just showing a reason she lost. It was not Putin.
She believed her own headlines as far as where she was in the polls, and went on automatic pilot.
Especially with ten days to go, and she still holding private fundraisers in California, rather than being on the campaign trail.
Since no one was donating to Trump/Pence, they were hitting six to seven states a day chasing votes.
Guess which tactic worked.

[Deleted]

Dec 30, 2016 16:01:49 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Tell me again how the sore losers here keep whining about the election??   

Gracious winning is a lost art, back in the day all we had to say was "scoreboard" when the loser was whining.

[zibazinski]

I honestly don't think it'd have made any difference. I thought she had it in the bag, too, although I didn't want her anywhere near the presidency. I think people just made up their minds that there was going to be no more status quo politicians. She had horrible baggage as well.  So many good women who could have run and even men but the Pubs ran a bunch of status quo jerks as well so Trump got the nomination then the presidency. 

[ken a.k.a OMK]

The FBI director was also a major factor so close to the end. Trump didn't need to raise money because he saw how his nasty name calling got free air time. Yes Clinton's team underestimated some currents in the voters. They could pick Trump for one thing he supported while ignoring the mans massive flaws. If they realized he was a pathological liar they may have voted differently. I'm not saying for Clinton, who the despised, but not voting a "anyone but Hillary" would have made a difference.

[billisonboard]

Dec 30, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 30, 2016 16:01:49 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Tell me again how the sore losers here keep whining about the election??   

 I am simply trying to stop some of the whining on the boards. 
I am just showing a reason she lost. It was not Putin.
She believed her own headlines as far as where she was in the polls, and went on automatic pilot.
Especially with ten days to go, and she still holding private fundraisers in California, rather than being on the campaign trail.
Since no one was donating to Trump/Pence, they were hitting six to seven states a day chasing votes.
Guess which tactic worked.

How much personal appearances would have increased her vote totals in the end is something fun to speculate about. Or maybe not.

[zibazinski]

Nothing would have changed the voters minds. It didn't matter about the FBI director either. 

[Value Buy]

Dec 30, 2016 16:46:22 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 30, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

 I am simply trying to stop some of the whining on the boards. 
I am just showing a reason she lost. It was not Putin.
She believed her own headlines as far as where she was in the polls, and went on automatic pilot.
Especially with ten days to go, and she still holding private fundraisers in California, rather than being on the campaign trail.
Since no one was donating to Trump/Pence, they were hitting six to seven states a day chasing votes.
Guess which tactic worked.

How much personal appearances would have increased her vote totals in the end is something fun to speculate about. Or maybe not.

Yes.
No visits to Wisconsin surely did not add to her voter turnout    But tell me how many visits raising money in California where the state was wrapped up 12 years ago
Why someone did not say to her or Podesta, we might want to wonder why Trump is spending so much time in the midwest, if he is really truly losing as bad as they tell us he is.
iden certainly discussed the issue, although I think he waited til it was over.

[Value Buy]

I cannot make this stuff up.
Here are the last two paragraphs of the article. Granted it does not mirror the article. It just makes excuses of why they were wrong, but check out the name of the person quoted for giggles.



For other pollsters, 2018 represented a fresh start, without a Democratic candidate whose post-State Department unpopularity and negative story lines scrambled the electorate.



“Were it not for hacking, WikiLeaks, and the Comey letter, she would have won,” said EPIC-MRA's Bernie Porn. “If she had stuck to the economic message instead the of all-attack-ad approach, based on Trump's comments, she might have won. And if the Democrats had nominated anyone else, they probably would have won. Joe Biden would have won. Bernie would have won.” 


Bernie Porn

[zibazinski]

Somehow the "anybody but Hillary" didn't dawn on the DNC

[dezailoooooo]

Dec 30, 2016 16:37:19 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

The FBI director was also a major factor so close to the end. Trump didn't need to raise money because he saw how his nasty name calling got free air time. Yes Clinton's team underestimated some currents in the voters. They could pick Trump for one thing he supported while ignoring the mans massive flaws. If they realized he was a pathological liar they may have voted differently. I'm not saying for Clinton, who the despised, but not voting a "anyone but Hillary" would have made a difference.

Personally I thought no contest..Hillery next and first female POTUS...could not see the unhappiness in the country..guess because I am not unhappy..my life, eVen after suffering a stroke this year..it's ok, my kids and grand kids lifes are very good..two grandkids doing great at USC and DREW university...investments just keep growing and also..had no clue that so many folks would actually vote for this loud mouth, woman grabbing , accused rapist,,[four times]..sleeze ball for POTUS.

[zibazinski]

I don't think she'd have gotten away with another.

[billisonboard]

Yeah, after that FBI agent who was investigating her.

[Deleted]

Hillary lost simply because the candidate was Hillary.

[OldCoyote]

Did the FBI report,   The Russian email release,   the polls,   Change anyone's mind here? 

Did anyone that was going to vote for Hillary before these things, change their mind, vote  for Trump?

[zibazinski]

Dec 31, 2016 11:01:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Did the FBI report,   The Russian email release,   the polls,   Change anyone's mind here? 

Did anyone that was going to vote for Hillary before these things, change their mind, vote  for Trump?

Nope.

[Value Buy]

Dec 31, 2016 11:01:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Did the FBI report,   The Russian email release,   the polls,   Change anyone's mind here? 

Did anyone that was going to vote for Hillary before these things, change their mind, vote  for Trump?

According to the Clinton campaign at the time, she was never hurt by the FBI investigation.
According to all the polling at the time she was not hurt by the investigation.

Did they all lie to us?

[zibazinski]

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I don't think anyone here was undecided. We all did our research and made up our minds. Yes we disagreed but never changed anyone's mind. I can't understand people who go to the polls undecided. What do they expect to happen while there?   Maybe they toss a coin. 

[zibazinski]

No clue. All I know was Florida was extremely careful with my vote. I think they were determined to not make national news for screwing up again

[zibazinski]

Btw, I had to show ID to vote

[zibazinski]

Of course illegals can obtain driver license

[zibazinski]

Does anyone live in one of the states that in another year won't use DL's as ID for flying?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 30, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 30, 2016 16:01:49 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Tell me again how the sore losers here keep whining about the election??   

 I am simply trying to stop some of the whining on the boards. 
I am just showing a reason she lost. It was not Putin.

it might have been.  in an election decided by less than 1% popular vote, THE WEATHER can determine the outcome.

She believed her own headlines as far as where she was in the polls, and went on automatic pilot.
Especially with ten days to go, and she still holding private fundraisers in California, rather than being on the campaign trail.
Since no one was donating to Trump/Pence, they were hitting six to seven states a day chasing votes.
Guess which tactic worked.

it is hard to say what lost her the election.  the safest thing to say is "a variety of deciding factors".  if ONE of them doesn't happen, she wins.

personally, i think it is smart for campaigns to agonize over their losses.  you can laugh about it if you like tho.  Democrats laughed for 8 years, so it is your turn. 

[zibazinski]

I'm not laughing but I'm not crying either. I survived obama I can survive Trump

[tallguy]

Dec 31, 2016 12:22:10 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I'm not laughing but I'm not crying either. I survived obama I can survive Trump

That may be more optimistic than should be considered reasonable, given how little thought the man puts into things....   

[Value Buy]

Dec 31, 2016 12:18:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 30, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

 I am simply trying to stop some of the whining on the boards. 
I am just showing a reason she lost. It was not Putin.

it might have been.  in an election decided by less than 1% popular vote, THE WEATHER can determine the outcome.

She believed her own headlines as far as where she was in the polls, and went on automatic pilot.
Especially with ten days to go, and she still holding private fundraisers in California, rather than being on the campaign trail.
Since no one was donating to Trump/Pence, they were hitting six to seven states a day chasing votes.
Guess which tactic worked.

it is hard to say what lost her the election.  the safest thing to say is "a variety of deciding factors".  if ONE of them doesn't happen, she wins.

personally, i think it is smart for campaigns to agonize over their losses.  you can laugh about it if you like tho.  Democrats laughed for 8 years, so it is your turn. 

I thought the weather was a non factor this year. Considering more and more votes are made before election day,

that is a