Attention Hillary backers: this one is for you!

[weltschmerz]

I guess all the men voted for Trump because he has a prostate.

[mroped]

There are many that voted for Trump because he wants to "get rid of the Muslims" or even less, things like " Make America Great Again" and I don't believe that one of them had a clue of how he is gonna do those things. They just said it because they heard it over and over and in their idiocy they believed it.
Id realy love to find out how many would be offended by the above statement. That would give an idea how far we sank as a nation and our ideals.

[dondub]

  I guess I can accept that a primary vote might go for a woman versus a socialist, but I was really referring to the real deal. And I will

continue to posit that very few conservatives voted for Hillary because of the vagina and that very few liberals voted for her because of the vagina.

 

  In fact, I bet more liberal women chose not to vote for Hillary than the total number of women that only voted for her because of the vagina.

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 2, 2017 22:42:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2017 22:31:58 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

So voting for someone based on sex or race is ok?

i think it is predictable.  people tend to vote with candidates that they can either identify with, or that share their positions and values.  the less time a person has to engage with a candidate, the more superficial that identifying becomes.  when you boil that down to the nut, reduce it to the extreme, they vote for people that look like them.

i am not saying it is GOOD.  i am saying it is natural to do this.  particularly when faced with otherwise equal choices (bad or good).

But we should be consistent with accepting this. Because men voted for trump they were clearly sexist and not willing to vote for a woman (said by posters on this board).  So in that case, whether it was true or not, it was a huge negative. But then we say women do the same thing and it's natural and accepted

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 2, 2017 23:16:02 GMT -5 dondub said:

  I guess I can accept that a primary vote might go for a woman versus a socialist, but I was really referring to the real deal. And I will

continue to posit that very few conservatives voted for Hillary because of the vagina and that very few liberals voted for her because of the vagina.

 

  In fact, I bet more liberal women chose not to vote for Hillary than the total number of women that only voted for her because of the vagina.

I never said ALL women voted for her because she had a vagina. I even said that not a majority of women voted for her because she had a vagina. But I do believe that there were plenty of women who did.

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 2, 2017 23:12:41 GMT -5 mroped said:

There are many that voted for Trump because he wants to "get rid of the Muslims" or even less, things like " Make America Great Again" and I don't believe that one of them had a clue of how he is gonna do those things. They just said it because they heard it over and over and in their idiocy they believed it.
Id realy love to find out how many would be offended by the above statement. That would give an idea how far we sank as a nation and our ideals.

I believe we lost our ideals the minute we allowed men to choose which bathroom/locker room they wanted to use. 

[dondub]

Ms. T,

  My post that you just responded too didn't use the words ALL or majority.

  But please, if you will, describe why a woman would vote for Hillary ONLY because she has a vagina. Who? What's their deal? Remember, liberal Demo women would vote

for her because she is the Demo candidate. I'm thinking plenty of the 'Bernie progressives' women didn't vote for her. Do you think there were conservative/Repo women that

voted for her simply because she was a woman? Right leaning centrists that didn't do it as an anti-trump vote? Just who the hell was it?

 I still find it urban mythy.

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 2, 2017 23:51:34 GMT -5 dondub said:

Ms. T,

  My post that you just responded too didn't use the words ALL or majority.

  But please, if you will, describe why a woman would vote for Hillary ONLY because she has a vagina. Who? What's their deal? Remember, liberal Demo women would vote

for her because she is the Demo candidate. I'm thinking plenty of the 'Bernie progressives' women didn't vote for her. Do you think there were conservative/Repo women that

voted for her simply because she was a woman? Right leaning centrists that didn't do it as an anti-trump vote? Just who the hell was it?

 I still find it urban mythy.

I can only explain to you the experience that I had. Trust me, I don't understand a woman voting for someone just because they have a vagina (I'm a staunch conservative but would not vote for Palin!). These women were not uneducated women. Bu.t these are the women who see everyone trying to keep women down. Very strong Feminists (and I don't mean that as a compliment).  These were women who said they more aligned with Bernie (hence me saying they were very liberal) but had to vote with their vagina.  Others have posted videos of women who basically said the same thing. I am not sure what else you want me to tell you.  I'm sure it happened more in the primary when there were other liberal options

It just bothered me that anyone would "vote with their vagina" and I have one!  Don't get me wrong,  I am glad they did because I dont' think trump could have beat Bernie (I don't align at all with Bernie but I find him to be the most credible out of the 3 of them, by wide margins).  But it gets old hearing women whining that Hillary lost because she had a vagina (again, look back in threads here. It was said on here!) when women voted for her (in the primary where is counted) because she had one.  I find it very hypocritical.

[dondub]

  Remember, this was the primary and not the general as you explained earlier. I admitted I can see that in the primary a woman vs. a socialist.

  However, those were not the real, final vote.

 Ask them now if in the Trump~Hillary showdown they only voted for her because of the vagina.

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 3, 2017 0:06:45 GMT -5 dondub said:

  Remember, this was the primary and not the general as you explained earlier. I admitted I can see that in the primary a woman vs. a socialist.

  However, those were not the real, final vote.

 Ask them now if in the Trump~Hillary showdown they only voted for her because of the vagina.

But you are missing the point. They preferred the socialist but voted for the woman because she had a vagina. I'm sorry but I disagree with that. 

[dondub]

You never said that earlier, nor have you answered my questions about what voters would have voted for her in the general election.

 In the meantime perhaps ratchets and zibizinzski can kindly name the members here that went on the record that they only voted for Hillary because of the vagina.

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 2, 2017 22:31:58 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 2, 2017 22:22:31 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Doesn't make it wrong either...and it isn't wrong to at least think raciest or sexist if your man is egging those types on by tweet, at mob rallies, encouraging them in the chants.." lock her up, lock her up , lock her up, seig heil, lock her up, seig...."

Not all of those folks at rallies in Nuremburg long ago were really active in the happenings of the camps and round ups but their attitudes and participations in other ways definitly didn't put up ant road blocks to what was carried out...same in some ways here too..we'll have to see how things work out....hopefully we stay a land of rules, of legal happenings  no matter what those now in power may want....also what some supporters ..see here too...might want to see as far as over looking those laws and rules...

So voting for someone based on sex or race is ok?

Sure why not ..even better if the ones u are supporting also seem to have qualities in their make up that are similer in many ways as your own and I will suggest that in both these cases they did..and more so then say one quirk against one was the fact that they were not 110% in favor of doing extreme stuff because of border concerns..possible only on that one say 50%...

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 3, 2017 0:22:36 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Jan 2, 2017 22:31:58 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

So voting for someone based on sex or race is ok?

Sure why not ..even better if the ones u are supporting also seem to have qualities in their make up that are similer in many ways as your own and I will suggest that in both these cases they did..and more so then say one quirk against one was the fact that they were not 110% in favor of doing extreme stuff because of border concerns..possible only on that one say 50%...

Is it ok to vote against someone because of sex or race? 

[Deleted]

Jan 2, 2017 23:36:31 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 2, 2017 23:16:02 GMT -5 dondub said:

  I guess I can accept that a primary vote might go for a woman versus a socialist, but I was really referring to the real deal. And I will

continue to posit that very few conservatives voted for Hillary because of the vagina and that very few liberals voted for her because of the vagina.

 

  In fact, I bet more liberal women chose not to vote for Hillary than the total number of women that only voted for her because of the vagina.

I never said ALL women voted for her because she had a vagina. I even said that not a majority of women voted for her because she had a vagina. But I do believe that there were plenty of women who did.

Don't try and confuse some people with facts.

(I know many that voted for her for that very same reason {ETA: and I'm referring to the "General Election", NOT the primaries})

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 3, 2017 0:26:57 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 3, 2017 0:22:36 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Sure why not ..even better if the ones u are supporting also seem to have qualities in their make up that are similer in many ways as your own and I will suggest that in both these cases they did..and more so then say one quirk against one was the fact that they were not 110% in favor of doing extreme stuff because of border concerns..possible only on that one say 50%...

Is it ok to vote against someone because of sex or race? 

If that is the only reason...no consideration given to their  feelings on issues...whether they are similer or different then the one deciding and voting...well if a person wants to act idiotic and stupid in the privacy of the voting booth , there really not much one can do about that is it....

Only that one will know right unless they are stupid enough to let it be known publickly after the fact that that is what they did and why...depending on thats persons friends and aquaintences..the feelings of their fellow co workers and most importantly the beliefs,  feelings and interest of that persons employer...

There just might be some positive ...but probably the other way is more likely..reaction in promotions, lay offs or in extreme cases possible termination..naturally for other reasons given but bottom line...possible termination.

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 3, 2017 0:45:11 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

Jan 3, 2017 0:26:57 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Is it ok to vote against someone because of sex or race? 

If that is the only reason...no consideration given to their  feelings on issues...whether they are similer or different then the one deciding and voting...well if a person wants to act idiotic and stupid in the privacy of the voting booth , there really not much one can do about that is it....

Only that one will know right unless they are stupid enough to let it be known publickly after the fact that that is what they did and why...depending on thats persons friends and aquaintences..the feelings of their fellow co workers and most importantly the beliefs,  feelings and interest of that persons employer...

There just might be some positive ...but probably the other way is more likely..reaction in promotions, lay offs or in extreme cases possible termination..naturally for other reasons given but bottom line...possible termination.

Why is it idiotic to vote against someone because of sex or race but not idiotic to vote for them for the same reason?

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[billisonboard]

Jan 2, 2017 20:56:26 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 2, 2017 11:27:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

As long as it isn't like a Waffle House.

Why not? ...

ymam.proboards.com/thread/51608/waffle-house-waitress-shooting-robbery[

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 3, 2017 0:49:55 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 3, 2017 0:45:11 GMT -5 dezailoooooo said:

If that is the only reason...no consideration given to their  feelings on issues...whether they are similer or different then the one deciding and voting...well if a person wants to act idiotic and stupid in the privacy of the voting booth , there really not much one can do about that is it....

Only that one will know right unless they are stupid enough to let it be known publickly after the fact that that is what they did and why...depending on thats persons friends and aquaintences..the feelings of their fellow co workers and most importantly the beliefs,  feelings and interest of that persons employer...

There just might be some positive ...but probably the other way is more likely..reaction in promotions, lay offs or in extreme cases possible termination..naturally for other reasons given but bottom line...possible termination.

Why is it idiotic to vote against someone because of sex or race but not idiotic to vote for them for the same reason?

For sake of others...think we have carried this as far as we need to publickly...want to continue why not just PM me and will continue when have time.... after midnight now..time for some ZZZZZZZ'S night all.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 2, 2017 23:34:52 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 2, 2017 22:42:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i think it is predictable.  people tend to vote with candidates that they can either identify with, or that share their positions and values.  the less time a person has to engage with a candidate, the more superficial that identifying becomes.  when you boil that down to the nut, reduce it to the extreme, they vote for people that look like them.

i am not saying it is GOOD.  i am saying it is natural to do this.  particularly when faced with otherwise equal choices (bad or good).

But we should be consistent with accepting this. Because men voted for trump they were clearly sexist and not willing to vote for a woman (said by posters on this board).  So in that case, whether it was true or not, it was a huge negative. But then we say women do the same thing and it's natural and accepted

i don't recall mentioning gender or race in my reply, if you examine it closely.  and trust me on this, i put it PRECISELY how i meant it.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 2, 2017 23:36:31 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 2, 2017 23:16:02 GMT -5 dondub said:

  I guess I can accept that a primary vote might go for a woman versus a socialist, but I was really referring to the real deal. And I will

continue to posit that very few conservatives voted for Hillary because of the vagina and that very few liberals voted for her because of the vagina.

 

  In fact, I bet more liberal women chose not to vote for Hillary than the total number of women that only voted for her because of the vagina.

I never said ALL women voted for her because she had a vagina. I even said that not a majority of women voted for her because she had a vagina. But I do believe that there were plenty of women who did.

your post implies that this is all they have in common with her.  but almost all women are subjected to harassment at one point or another.  almost all women are treated as inferiors at some point.  almost all women are compared based on the size and shape of their bodies, the color and texture of their features, and the clothes they wear.  almost all women have been subjected to traditional roles at some point or another: housecleaner, maid, cook.  it is a sense of common purpose, destiny, and experience that draws women together, far more than vaginas, imo. 

tell me i am wrong.

[Deleted]

Jan 3, 2017 1:04:09 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 2, 2017 20:56:26 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Why not? ...

ymam.proboards.com/thread/51608/waffle-house-waitress-shooting-robbery[

O.k. ... and? How is that Waffle House's fault?

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 3, 2017 1:13:46 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2017 23:34:52 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

But we should be consistent with accepting this. Because men voted for trump they were clearly sexist and not willing to vote for a woman (said by posters on this board).  So in that case, whether it was true or not, it was a huge negative. But then we say women do the same thing and it's natural and accepted

i don't recall mentioning gender or race in my reply, if you examine it closely.  and trust me on this, i put it PRECISELY how i meant it.

Then what did you mean when you said "people tend to vote for people that look like them?

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 3, 2017 1:19:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2017 23:36:31 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I never said ALL women voted for her because she had a vagina. I even said that not a majority of women voted for her because she had a vagina. But I do believe that there were plenty of women who did.

your post implies that this is all they have in common with her.  but almost all women are subjected to harassment at one point or another.  almost all women are treated as inferiors at some point.  almost all women are compared based on the size and shape of their bodies, the color and texture of their features, and the clothes they wear.  almost all women have been subjected to traditional roles at some point or another: housecleaner, maid, cook.  it is a sense of common purpose, destiny, and experience that draws women together, far more than vaginas, imo. 

tell me i am wrong.

I can't agree or disagree with you. I don't see myself as a victim and never have, so I don't look at the examples you gave and align myself with other women that experienced the same. And I certainly wouldn't choose a candidate just because she had similar life experiences. Perhaps you are correct but I can't say one way or the other

[billisonboard]

Jan 3, 2017 1:19:05 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jan 3, 2017 1:04:09 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

ymam.proboards.com/thread/51608/waffle-house-waitress-shooting-robbery[

O.k. ... and? How is that Waffle House's fault?

They have a no gun policy, they did not hire a security guard, and/or the fired the waitress.

O.k., here it is spelled out. I find it interesting when people express the idea that it would be better if government were run like a business but express how badly businesses are run.

[Deleted]

Right. So you voted for the candidate that reminded you more of you... proving the point, not contradicting it...

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2017 6:03:46 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 3, 2017 1:13:46 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i don't recall mentioning gender or race in my reply, if you examine it closely.  and trust me on this, i put it PRECISELY how i meant it.

Then what did you mean when you said "people tend to vote for people that look like them?

that ABSENT ALL OTHER FACTORS, people tend to vote with those who they most closely resemble.

was that unclear?

[dondub]

(I know many that voted for her for that very same reason {ETA: and I'm referring to the "General Election", NOT the primaries})

 Same questions for you that Ms. T didn't answer. Who are these people? As you personally know so many how about some examples? Demos that would not have voted except for the vagina? Repos that crossed over and voted for Hillary because she was a woman? Those that normally don't vote but did this time because it was a woman?

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 3, 2017 8:07:16 GMT -5 oped said:

Right. So you voted for the candidate that reminded you more of you... proving the point, not contradicting it...

I have no idea who that is directed towards since you didn't quote anyone. But if it is directed at me, I am not sure how trump reminds me of me.  We sure as hell didn't share the same life experiences (DJ's point, not mine).

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2017 11:47:14 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Jan 3, 2017 8:07:16 GMT -5 oped said:

Right. So you voted for the candidate that reminded you more of you... proving the point, not contradicting it...

I have no idea who that is directed towards since you didn't quote anyone. But if it is directed at me, I am not sure how trump reminds me of me.  We sure as hell didn't share the same life experiences (DJ's point, not mine).

i really think what i said was absolutely clear.  if you are well informed, you vote based on information.  the less information you have, the less you have to vote for.  the voter who has almost no information votes on appearances.  in that situation, a voter will TEND (not an absolute) to vote for the candidate with which they have the most in common.  i posit that this is actually rational.  we are kind of herd animals at a certain level.