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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 4, 2017 2:36:11 GMT -5
The last thing in the world I want to be is like a European country. yeah, those 3 month vacations are horrific. Not to mention the reasonably-priced child care, the good public schools, the maternity leaves, the affordable universities and health care for all. It's a veritable nightmare......
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 4, 2017 2:44:45 GMT -5
yeah, those 3 month vacations are horrific. Yes, why work if you don't have to. That works in a lot of countries. Oh, you mean like the massive welfare class in the USA? kind of like that?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 4, 2017 2:48:12 GMT -5
yeah, those 3 month vacations are horrific. Not to mention the reasonably-priced child care, the good public schools, the maternity leaves, the affordable universities and health care for all. It's a veritable nightmare...... the list doesn't end there, of course, but that is a good...i mean terrible start. the horrors.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 4, 2017 2:49:00 GMT -5
Yes, why work if you don't have to. That works in a lot of countries. Oh, you mean like the massive welfare class in the USA? kind of like that? even better: why work one job and live comfortably, when you can work three and barely make it?
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Post by dezailoooooo on Jan 4, 2017 5:12:26 GMT -5
You want specifics? Several relatives and numerous friends. Any more specific than that would be pointless as you don't know them anyway.
And yes, I know that they voted for Hillary "because, vagina" they ADMITTED it saying "I voted for Hillary because we need a female president!" or similar verbiage.
Looks like both you and Ms. T petered out before answering the key questions. Oh well.
Have no idea what your yapping about..yes, give me specifics and if your quoting some misdeeds some third cousin or friend was tattling about that u read about in one of the super market tabloids as u were waiting to check out...and I have got all kinds of real facts on folks there.. ...even called my daughter once with some news of non importance..then come on already.. and as far as voting because they feel it's time to have a woman in that office..hey, their business in the booth and yeah we are way over due on that one..and last...what key question...I don't peter...well I do but not in public...well not normally anyway.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 4, 2017 6:03:29 GMT -5
Yes, why work if you don't have to. That works in a lot of countries. Oh, you mean like the massive welfare class in the USA? kind of like that? Exactly
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 4, 2017 6:19:00 GMT -5
Yes, why work if you don't have to. That works in a lot of countries. because, giving up 1/3 of your life to corporations is what God put us here for? Aren't you supposedly an employer? How well would you function with an employee or several gone for three months at a time. I understand the employee attitude because being paid for not working is a great benefit.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 6:46:08 GMT -5
You want specifics? Several relatives and numerous friends. Any more specific than that would be pointless as you don't know them anyway.
And yes, I know that they voted for Hillary "because, vagina" they ADMITTED it saying "I voted for Hillary because we need a female president!" or similar verbiage.
Looks like both you and Ms. T petered out before answering the key questions. Oh well. Looks like your comprehension is lacking then. I answered the question you asked, as fully as needed for an internet chat board. If you'd like to have Congress subpoena me and put me under oath (if you have the authority/power) however, I will happily answer them once they prove the necessity of my answer when I ask them "Why do you need to know?" Do you have any relevant questions for me now... or are you going to continue to try and insult my intelligence and integrity? I answered several times too but my answer wasn't good enough so I gave up.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 4, 2017 6:48:59 GMT -5
Looks like your comprehension is lacking then. I answered the question you asked, as fully as needed for an internet chat board. If you'd like to have Congress subpoena me and put me under oath (if you have the authority/power) however, I will happily answer them once they prove the necessity of my answer when I ask them "Why do you need to know?" Do you have any relevant questions for me now... or are you going to continue to try and insult my intelligence and integrity? I answered several times too but my answer wasn't good enough so I gave up. They just like the attention.
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Post by dondub on Jan 4, 2017 11:13:41 GMT -5
There she goes again.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 4, 2017 11:49:45 GMT -5
because, giving up 1/3 of your life to corporations is what God put us here for? Aren't you supposedly an employer? How well would you function with an employee or several gone for three months at a time. I understand the employee attitude because being paid for not working is a great benefit. i would function just fine, if i had another employee. and if that were the case for every employer, just imagine how many more people would be employed. and yes, of course i understand the economics of what i just said, and they are an impossibility based on my current pricing structure. so that would have to change to accommodate it. and yes, the market i am reaching would bear that cost. but my business(es) are not the best example(s).
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 4, 2017 11:59:35 GMT -5
Aren't you supposedly an employer? How well would you function with an employee or several gone for three months at a time. I understand the employee attitude because being paid for not working is a great benefit. i would function just fine, if i had another employee. and if that were the case for every employer, just imagine how many more people would be employed. and yes, of course i understand the economics of what i just said, and they are an impossibility based on my current pricing structure. so that would have to change to accommodate it. and yes, the market i am reaching would bear that cost. but my business(es) are not the best example(s). Neither are a lot of people's
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Post by Opti on Jan 4, 2017 12:04:45 GMT -5
i would function just fine, if i had another employee. and if that were the case for every employer, just imagine how many more people would be employed. and yes, of course i understand the economics of what i just said, and they are an impossibility based on my current pricing structure. so that would have to change to accommodate it. and yes, the market i am reaching would bear that cost. but my business(es) are not the best example(s). Neither are a lot of people's Yet elementary school through high school almost mimics that model. If you include winter and Easter breaks, many public and private school teachers in the US have roughly 3 months off of work now. While some do summer school, they are always the minority of the teachers.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 4, 2017 12:07:54 GMT -5
i would function just fine, if i had another employee. and if that were the case for every employer, just imagine how many more people would be employed. and yes, of course i understand the economics of what i just said, and they are an impossibility based on my current pricing structure. so that would have to change to accommodate it. and yes, the market i am reaching would bear that cost. but my business(es) are not the best example(s). Neither are a lot of people's i'm aware of that. i am also aware of entire nations that are built on this sort of structure, and they seem to be doing just fine. it would be a seachange for the US to do something like this, but to think it impossible is ludicrous. it would just need to become a "thing" and it would get done.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 4, 2017 12:11:22 GMT -5
You of course feel these people taking three months off should be paid, right? As well as their jobs guaranteed for when they come back? What if everyone wants the same months off? How do you deal with that? I've seen mostly the month of August off in Europe.
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Post by Opti on Jan 4, 2017 12:21:45 GMT -5
You of course feel these people taking three months off should be paid, right? As well as their jobs guaranteed for when they come back? What if everyone wants the same months off? How do you deal with that? I've seen mostly the month of August off in Europe. That's how some businesses in Europe deal with it. They close for significant periods of time or for bank holidays. Not sure if it still happens, but back around 2001 when I was shopping cars I found out the Volvo plant closed for about two months in July and August.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 4, 2017 12:24:03 GMT -5
You of course feel these people taking three months off should be paid, right? As well as their jobs guaranteed for when they come back? What if everyone wants the same months off? How do you deal with that? I've seen mostly the month of August off in Europe. employers have wide latitude on stuff like this, as a general rule. for example, at my company, you can say "NO" to someone's vacation plans, if they overlap with someone else's. it is up to production and HR to make sure that the company continues to function during these times. some entities can survive a fallow period without labor, and nobody seems to mind (or few, i should say). we have a major supplier in Germany, and we just KNOW that if we order stuff for delivery in December, it is just not going to happen. and, indeed, it did not happen when we did it this year. does it anger and upset us? not really. we just know to order in such a way that the timing works for us. there are other demands you can make on workers if you give them a lot of paid leave. for example, you can require that they produce more during the time they ARE there, and if they fail to do so, you can fire them for performance reasons. of course, you have to be reasonable. getting 20% more from someone who is a top producer may not be possible. but it may be.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 12:26:07 GMT -5
You of course feel these people taking three months off should be paid, right? As well as their jobs guaranteed for when they come back? What if everyone wants the same months off? How do you deal with that? I've seen mostly the month of August off in Europe. That's how some businesses in Europe deal with it. They close for significant periods of time or for bank holidays. Not sure if it still happens, but back around 2001 when I was shopping cars I found out the Volvo plant closed for about two months in July and August. We are owned by a company in Europe. they shut down the entire month of August. It's bizarre to me. And pisses me off because I do NOT get to shut down!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 12:26:51 GMT -5
Neither are a lot of people's Yet elementary school through high school almost mimics that model. If you include winter and Easter breaks, many public and private school teachers in the US have roughly 3 months off of work now. While some do summer school, they are always the minority of the teachers.
And how would that work in the real world? There is no way my company could shut down for 25% of the year.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 4, 2017 12:28:35 GMT -5
That's how some businesses in Europe deal with it. They close for significant periods of time or for bank holidays. Not sure if it still happens, but back around 2001 when I was shopping cars I found out the Volvo plant closed for about two months in July and August. We are owned by a company in Europe. they shut down the entire month of August. It's bizarre to me. And pisses me off because I do NOT get to shut down! who wouldn't? who would not REJOICE in the prospect of spending time with your family, with your beloved friends, or traveling once a year? American's attitudes toward work are kind of bizarre, imo. but it works out great for me, as a business guy, to have workers that think it is normal to work 50 weeks a year.
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Post by Opti on Jan 4, 2017 12:29:10 GMT -5
Neither are a lot of people's i'm aware of that. i am also aware of entire nations that are built on this sort of structure, and they seem to be doing just fine. it would be a seachange for the US to do something like this, but to think it impossible is ludicrous. it would just need to become a "thing" and it would get done. Things would change and be staffed differently. Somehow Europe has figured how to do this even for places that never close like hospitals and grocery stores that rarely do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 4, 2017 12:30:48 GMT -5
i'm aware of that. i am also aware of entire nations that are built on this sort of structure, and they seem to be doing just fine. it would be a seachange for the US to do something like this, but to think it impossible is ludicrous. it would just need to become a "thing" and it would get done. Things would change and be staffed differently. Somehow Europe has figured how to do this even for places that never close like hospitals and grocery stores that rarely do. they stagger hours. they work together as a TEAM, rather than a bunch of atomized individuals. what a concept.
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i'm aware of that. i am also aware of entire nations that are built on this sort of structure, and they seem to be doing just fine. it would be a seachange for the US to do something like this, but to think it impossible is ludicrous. it would just need to become a "thing" and it would get done. Things would change and be staffed differently. Somehow Europe has figured how to do this even for places that never close like hospitals and grocery stores that rarely do. Exactly, staffing levels are adjusted appropriately in my experience. I've actually been hiring for a position Europe that will be reporting to me and it's really strange to get resumes with pictures, DOB and marital status. Those are all a huge nono on resumes in the USA.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 12:36:45 GMT -5
We are owned by a company in Europe. they shut down the entire month of August. It's bizarre to me. And pisses me off because I do NOT get to shut down! who wouldn't? who would not REJOICE in the prospect of spending time with your family, with your beloved friends, or traveling once a year? American's attitudes toward work are kind of bizarre, imo. but it works out great for me, as a business guy, to have workers that think it is normal to work 50 weeks a year. I agree with you. I do get a month off but I could never take a month straight. I take mine in one week increments.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 12:37:24 GMT -5
Things would change and be staffed differently. Somehow Europe has figured how to do this even for places that never close like hospitals and grocery stores that rarely do. Exactly, staffing levels are adjusted appropriately in my experience. I've actually been hiring for a position Europe that will be reporting to me and it's really strange to get resumes with pictures, DOB and marital status. Those are all a huge nono on resumes in the USA. That's how the resumes were that I received in Brazil. I was nervous knowing some of the information!
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Post by Opti on Jan 4, 2017 12:38:31 GMT -5
Yet elementary school through high school almost mimics that model. If you include winter and Easter breaks, many public and private school teachers in the US have roughly 3 months off of work now. While some do summer school, they are always the minority of the teachers.
And how would that work in the real world? There is no way my company could shut down for 25% of the year. That's a number that was tossed out. Its not accurate. I'm not sure what is but here's a Wiki page with policies from 2013. USA today and Huffington had articles on it as well. It only talks about minimums, not medians, or maximums so its an incomplete picture. In the table, for example, Germany has a total leave minimum of 36 days a year, much less than the discussed 90 days. When I worked with workers in India, I learned because of all the holidays, some workers in India would have as much as 100 days off!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 12:40:59 GMT -5
And how would that work in the real world? There is no way my company could shut down for 25% of the year. That's a number that was tossed out. Its not accurate. I'm not sure what is but here's a Wiki page with policies from 2013. USA today and Huffington had articles on it as well. It only talks about minimums, not medians, or maximums so its an incomplete picture. In the table, for example, Germany has a total leave minimum of 36 days a year, much less than the discussed 90 days. When I worked with workers in India, I learned because of all the holidays, some workers in India would have as much as 100 days off!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country
But Germany's policies come at a price. We have a sister company in Germany and the costs to run mostly because of people costs. It was "this close" to being shut down. The only thing that saved it was it is also expensive to shut a company down in Germany. So this pass it got saved but I don't know what will happen in the future.
I'm not saying the German way is wrong, just that it is much more expensive to produce there (at least based on my experience).
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 4, 2017 12:53:10 GMT -5
We are owned by a company in Europe. they shut down the entire month of August. It's bizarre to me. And pisses me off because I do NOT get to shut down! who wouldn't? who would not REJOICE in the prospect of spending time with your family, with your beloved friends, or traveling once a year? American's attitudes toward work are kind of bizarre, imo. but it works out great for me, as a business guy, to have workers that think it is normal to work 50 weeks a year. No one is stopping you from doing this.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 4, 2017 12:54:49 GMT -5
And how would that work in the real world? There is no way my company could shut down for 25% of the year. That's a number that was tossed out. Its not accurate.
it wasn't intended to be. it was an example. here is another one. severance pay. in Costa Rica, you are required to give one month of severance pay for each year of service, up to (8) years. so, after (8) years, you can quit your job, and get paid for (8) months. i could go down the list of the labor laws there, and the social services, but they are equally jaw droppingly worker oriented.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 4, 2017 12:54:57 GMT -5
I have to admit that you bastards are turning me liberal...I looked at the annual leave by country and am floored that shit hole places have mandatory leave and we don't. Granted, I didn't spend a ton of time researching (I AM at work!lol) so I don't know the percentage of people who get vacations not, how much of the "not getting any" are people who only work part time, etc.
I'm torn because I am a firm believer in "if you dont' get the benefits that you like at work, change where you work"...but maybe as a country we need to stop being workaholics!
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