Attention Hillary backers: this one is for you!

[Gardening Grandma]

Dec 30, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 30, 2016 16:01:49 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Tell me again how the sore losers here keep whining about the election??   

 I am simply trying to stop some of the whining on the boards. 
I am just showing a reason she lost. It was not Putin.
She believed her own headlines as far as where she was in the polls, and went on automatic pilot.
Especially with ten days to go, and she still holding private fundraisers in California, rather than being on the campaign trail.
Since no one was donating to Trump/Pence, they were hitting six to seven states a day chasing votes.
Guess which tactic worked.

By starting a new thread about it. Riiiiiiight.

[tallguy]

Dec 31, 2016 13:58:23 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

Dec 31, 2016 12:25:38 GMT -5 tallguy said:

That may be more optimistic than should be considered reasonable, given how little thought the man puts into things....   

He'll be gone in 21 days though!

   Wrong guy.  The INCOMING one.  

[Value Buy]

Dec 31, 2016 14:00:45 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Dec 30, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

 I am simply trying to stop some of the whining on the boards. 
I am just showing a reason she lost. It was not Putin.
She believed her own headlines as far as where she was in the polls, and went on automatic pilot.
Especially with ten days to go, and she still holding private fundraisers in California, rather than being on the campaign trail.
Since no one was donating to Trump/Pence, they were hitting six to seven states a day chasing votes.
Guess which tactic worked.

By starting a new thread about it. Riiiiiiight.

I can only hope a few of you would get the message.
He won.
It's over for two more years before Warren starts the run.

[Deleted]

Dec 31, 2016 12:18:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 30, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

 I am simply trying to stop some of the whining on the boards. 
I am just showing a reason she lost. It was not Putin.

it might have been.  in an election decided by less than 1% popular vote, THE WEATHER can determine the outcome.

She believed her own headlines as far as where she was in the polls, and went on automatic pilot.
Especially with ten days to go, and she still holding private fundraisers in California, rather than being on the campaign trail.
Since no one was donating to Trump/Pence, they were hitting six to seven states a day chasing votes.
Guess which tactic worked.

it is hard to say what lost her the election.  the safest thing to say is "a variety of deciding factors".  if ONE of them doesn't happen, she wins.

personally, i think it is smart for campaigns to agonize over their losses.  you can laugh about it if you like tho.  Democrats laughed for 8 years, so it is your turn. 

No it's not. SHE lost her the election.

The only thing that could not have happened to let a Democrat win was it not be Hillary.

[Deleted]

Dec 31, 2016 12:25:38 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Dec 31, 2016 12:22:10 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I'm not laughing but I'm not crying either. I survived obama I can survive Trump

That may be more optimistic than should be considered reasonable, given how little thought the man puts into things....   

I'd say he puts as much thought into things as Obama did...

[tallguy]

Dec 31, 2016 21:19:20 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 31, 2016 12:25:38 GMT -5 tallguy said:

That may be more optimistic than should be considered reasonable, given how little thought the man puts into things....   

I'd say he puts as much thought into things as Obama did...

Nowhere close.  One of the criticisms of Obama is that he is too deliberate.  Trump is likely the most rash and volatile person we have ever had in that office.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 31, 2016 14:00:12 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 31, 2016 12:18:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it is hard to say what lost her the election.  the safest thing to say is "a variety of deciding factors".  if ONE of them doesn't happen, she wins.

personally, i think it is smart for campaigns to agonize over their losses.  you can laugh about it if you like tho.  Democrats laughed for 8 years, so it is your turn. 

I thought the weather was a non factor this year. Considering more and more votes are made before election day,

that is a 

is "can" absent from your vocabulary?

[djAdvocate]

Dec 31, 2016 21:18:19 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 31, 2016 12:18:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it is hard to say what lost her the election.  the safest thing to say is "a variety of deciding factors".  if ONE of them doesn't happen, she wins.

personally, i think it is smart for campaigns to agonize over their losses.  you can laugh about it if you like tho.  Democrats laughed for 8 years, so it is your turn. 

No it's not. SHE lost her the election.

The only thing that could not have happened to let a Democrat win was it not be Hillary.

i already said that on another thread, Richard.  Sanders or Biden could have won this easily, imo.

[Deleted]

Dec 31, 2016 21:28:49 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Dec 31, 2016 21:19:20 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

I'd say he puts as much thought into things as Obama did...

Nowhere close.  One of the criticisms of Obama is that he is too deliberate.  Trump is likely the most rash and volatile person we have ever had in that office.

My apologies... I should have been more precise.

I'd say he puts as much thought into what's best for the country as Obama did. I agree that Obama was too deliberate... thinking of deliberate ways to screw up and embarrass the country. He did put a lot of thought (and action) into that.

[Deleted]

Dec 31, 2016 22:10:10 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 31, 2016 21:18:19 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

No it's not. SHE lost her the election.

The only thing that could not have happened to let a Democrat win was it not be Hillary.

i already said that on another thread, Richard.  Sanders or Biden could have won this easily, imo.

I know.

I was kind of curious why you said "it is hard to say what lost her the election." when you already knew what the issue was.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 31, 2016 14:04:56 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

Dec 31, 2016 11:01:51 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Did the FBI report,   The Russian email release,   the polls,   Change anyone's mind here? 

Did anyone that was going to vote for Hillary before these things, change their mind, vote  for Trump?

I wasn't going to vote for Hillary anyway, her policy stances and mine are pretty far apart.

I wasn't going to vote for Trump either - and didn't in the primary - even though his policy stances and mine are close on the majority of things.  That was based off of ethical reasons, which is an important aspect of an election in my opinion, it's not all about the policy stance.  But then the reality of either Clinton or Trump being our next resident hit, since both have ethical flaws I'd rather have the one who most falls in line with my view on policies.

There are many other minor reasons, like the fact that the pendulum swung way too far to the left over the last few years and needs to swing back a bit, and also the Democrats tactics were so swarmy that they deserved to lose just out of principle.  His views closely reflecting mine was the big decider though.

This is me. Politically I do not align with Hillary. Once the "grab em by the " tape came out I was going to go third party. but a vote for third party is essentially a vote
For Hillary. Trumps views align more with mine so I got over the idiotic things he said

[Deleted]

Dec 31, 2016 23:43:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 31, 2016 14:04:56 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

I wasn't going to vote for Hillary anyway, her policy stances and mine are pretty far apart.

I wasn't going to vote for Trump either - and didn't in the primary - even though his policy stances and mine are close on the majority of things.  That was based off of ethical reasons, which is an important aspect of an election in my opinion, it's not all about the policy stance.  But then the reality of either Clinton or Trump being our next resident hit, since both have ethical flaws I'd rather have the one who most falls in line with my view on policies.

There are many other minor reasons, like the fact that the pendulum swung way too far to the left over the last few years and needs to swing back a bit, and also the Democrats tactics were so swarmy that they deserved to lose just out of principle.  His views closely reflecting mine was the big decider though.

This is me. Politically I do not align with Hillary. Once the "grab em by the cat" tape came out I was going to go third party. but a vote for third party is essentially a vote For Hillary. Trumps views align more with mine so I got over the idiotic things he said

Funny thing, that.

I've got someone else on another forum saying the exact opposite ("A vote for anyone but Hillary is a vote for Trump!"). I tell him honestly that I voted for a write-in (which I did), and he always comes back with some variation of: "Yeah, a Trump vote".

I keep countering his fantasy with the reality of: "a vote is for the person the vote was cast for... nothing more, nothing less."

[dezailoooooo]

Dec 31, 2016 23:43:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 31, 2016 14:04:56 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

I wasn't going to vote for Hillary anyway, her policy stances and mine are pretty far apart.

I wasn't going to vote for Trump either - and didn't in the primary - even though his policy stances and mine are close on the majority of things.  That was based off of ethical reasons, which is an important aspect of an election in my opinion, it's not all about the policy stance.  But then the reality of either Clinton or Trump being our next resident hit, since both have ethical flaws I'd rather have the one who most falls in line with my view on policies.

There are many other minor reasons, like the fact that the pendulum swung way too far to the left over the last few years and needs to swing back a bit, and also the Democrats tactics were so swarmy that they deserved to lose just out of principle.  His views closely reflecting mine was the big decider though.

This is me. Politically I do not align with Hillary. Once the "grab em by the cat" tape came out I was going to go third party. but a vote for third party is essentially a vote
For Hillary. Trumps views align more with mine so I got over the idiotic things he said

Also your fears of the border incursions if I remember correctly...trump is saying he will solve em..can't remember how the Hillery addressed it..probably continue Obamas policy.[he did deport more then oyjrer three Presidents combined} and try to come up with a policy of a way for those here could gain citizenship,...

Actually had a deal under Obama/ Republicans..bi partison .. but then GOP backed out..their mantra..no cooperation if at all possible with Obama administration...thus all those executive dicisions...think dems should do same with the Donald..? still could make it hard on getting action done quickly in the Senate..Hey turnabout should be fair play right..?

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 1, 2017 8:09:16 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 31, 2016 23:43:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

This is me. Politically I do not align with Hillary. Once the "grab em by the cat" tape came out I was going to go third party. but a vote for third party is essentially a vote For Hillary. Trumps views align more with mine so I got over the idiotic things he said

Funny thing, that.

I've got someone else on another forum saying the exact opposite ("A vote for anyone but Hillary is a vote for Trump!"). I tell him honestly that I voted for a write-in (which I did), and he always comes back with some variation of: "Yeah, a Trump vote".

I keep countering his fantasy with the reality of: "a vote is for the person the vote was cast for... nothing more, nothing less."

Yes and no. We all know that at this point there is no chance that anyone other than a dem or rep will win the presidency. in PA trump won by less than 50k votes. So if 50k people who voted for trump instead went third party, Hillary would have won. So while technically a vote is for the person you voted for and nothing more, in a state like PA any vote not for trump would have pushed Hillary to victory in my state.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

 It's a tough decision to vote 3rd party if you don't like either Dem or Rep. You are making a statement but does anyone listen?   

[dezailoooooo]

Jan 1, 2017 11:42:45 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

 It's a tough decision to vote 3rd party if you don't like either Dem or Rep. You are making a statement but does anyone listen?   

hmmmm........Naaaaaa


Truthfully....I don't even remember who third party folks were..a woman I believe and a guy..Johnson was the name......not sure what agenda he was pushing..Socialist was it...no matter...not important....For me, better to pick one of the two and keep fingers crossed..yep even the Donald..[gulp]..then third party....[I think anyway..]

[Value Buy]

Dec 31, 2016 22:02:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 31, 2016 14:00:12 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I thought the weather was a non factor this year. Considering more and more votes are made before election day,

that is a 

is "can" absent from your vocabulary?

Hey, your the one that mentioned the possibility
Just wanted to clarify and make sure it was not the actual excuse she lost!

[Value Buy]

Jan 1, 2017 11:42:45 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

 It's a tough decision to vote 3rd party if you don't like either Dem or Rep. You are making a statement but does anyone listen?   

According to Hillary, it takes a village, so if enough villagers make the vote, they eventually will listen. Just not in this election. It takes time, and a couple of more elecion cycles like this one.

The only question is, can we survive two more cycles like this one........

[djAdvocate]

Dec 31, 2016 23:21:05 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 31, 2016 22:10:10 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i already said that on another thread, Richard.  Sanders or Biden could have won this easily, imo.

I know.

I was kind of curious why you said "it is hard to say what lost her the election." when you already knew what the issue was.

i meant only that this election was close.  so any of her awful variables and awful campaigning could have cost her, as well as a host of other factors that had nothing to do with her.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 1, 2017 12:28:12 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 31, 2016 22:02:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

is "can" absent from your vocabulary?

Hey, your the one that mentioned the possibility
Just wanted to clarify and make sure it was not the actual excuse she lost!

no, of course not.  the weather was not a factor.  i was not talking about this election.  just elections in general.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 1, 2017 8:09:16 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 31, 2016 23:43:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

This is me. Politically I do not align with Hillary. Once the "grab em by the cat" tape came out I was going to go third party. but a vote for third party is essentially a vote For Hillary. Trumps views align more with mine so I got over the idiotic things he said

Funny thing, that.

I've got someone else on another forum saying the exact opposite ("A vote for anyone but Hillary is a vote for Trump!"). I tell him honestly that I voted for a write-in (which I did), and he always comes back with some variation of: "Yeah, a Trump vote".

I keep countering his fantasy with the reality of: "a vote is for the person the vote was cast for... nothing more, nothing less."

i think both are right.  if you go back and look at what happened in the 1996 election, with Perot getting 20% of the vote, it is widely believed that he cost the GOP the election.  but if you look at the exit polling data, what it shows is that the votes were split evenly along party lines.  in other words, he drew just as much from Democrats as Republicans.  and i think that was generally the case this time.  if you look at the 2-way -vs- 4-way polling, Clinton's lead narrowed slightly in the 4 way polling.  but when i say slightly, i mean "less than 1%", and i would argue that it was the presence of Stein, not Johnson that skewed it slightly negatively for her.

what this tells us is that we should vote 3rd party, if we believe in the 3rd party candidates.  the reason is that it won't change the outcome if not enough people do it, but it WILL change the outcome IN FAVOR OF THAT CANDIDATE, if people get off their fucking duffs and DO IT.

[zibazinski]

I wrote in a candidate. Never have before. Still happy I did. 

[tallguy]

Good for you.  

[Deleted]

Jan 1, 2017 14:04:38 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I wrote in a candidate. Never have before. Still happy I did. 

I've done write-ins before... but never for President. This was my first write-in for President.

And I'm still happy that I did. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if I'd've voted for either of the two scum that were "most likely to win" (one of whom did win).

[zibazinski]

It was DJ's idea

[mollyanna58]

Jan 1, 2017 11:42:45 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

 It's a tough decision to vote 3rd party if you don't like either Dem or Rep. You are making a statement but does anyone listen?   

I voted third party. I could not stomach voting for either Clinton or Trump.

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 1, 2017 11:42:45 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

 It's a tough decision to vote 3rd party if you don't like either Dem or Rep. You are making a statement but does anyone listen?   

Exactly.

[mroped]

Dec 31, 2016 23:43:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 31, 2016 14:04:56 GMT -5 Ratchets said:

This is me. Politically I do not align with Hillary. Once the "grab em by the cat" tape came out I was going to go third party. but a vote for third party is essentially a vote
For Hillary. Trumps views align more with mine so I got over the idiotic things he said

What if the idiotic things he said will turn into idiotic things he does? Doesn't seem to be a stretch with him!
Wanted or not, we now have to live with the idiotic choices he's gonna make in the next 4 years.
Not that Hillary would've made great choices!

[Miss Tequila]

Jan 2, 2017 10:34:36 GMT -5 mroped said:

Dec 31, 2016 23:43:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

This is me. Politically I do not align with Hillary. Once the "grab em by the cat" tape came out I was going to go third party. but a vote for third party is essentially a vote
For Hillary. Trumps views align more with mine so I got over the idiotic things he said

What if the idiotic things he said will turn into idiotic things he does? Doesn't seem to be a stretch with him!
Wanted or not, we now have to live with the idiotic choices he's gonna make in the next 4 years.
Not that Hillary would've made great choices!

Well, if he actually grabs someone by the then he gets impeached and prosecuted. I don't believe he will so I am ok taking that chance on him.

Hillary's vision for my country doesn't align with my vision so I couldn't have voted for her...even though she had that vagina that everyone wanted to vote for!

[Value Buy]

Jan 2, 2017 10:34:36 GMT -5 mroped said:

Dec 31, 2016 23:43:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

This is me. Politically I do not align with Hillary. Once the "grab em by the cat" tape came out I was going to go third party. but a vote for third party is essentially a vote
For Hillary. Trumps views align more with mine so I got over the idiotic things he said

What if the idiotic things he said will turn into idiotic things he does? Doesn't seem to be a stretch with him!
Wanted or not, we now have to live with the idiotic choices he's gonna make in the next 4 years.
Not that Hillary would've made great choices!

what if?
what if?
what if?
Now you sound like the Republicans in 2008
Trump is just playing with the media right now.
Teaching them they have to be fair and balanced....