I'm having my new son circumcised

[rick]

Dec 31, 2010 19:06:53 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

"Im going to have to get me one of them Govt grants and do a study, but I will only be able to judge one side of the study"

I know this was said in a joking manner, but just can't wrap my head around this: how would you test this in real life? full,partial, and no circumcision? It is the partial one that would give the best data if it were possible at all: does it feel better on the left or the right side dear?

Really, why cut a newborn without any reason other than "he'll look the same as others" and then go around telling that same child while growing up how special he is compared to others??? I am rather confused by this...

I personally, think its more about hygiene that looks

[jax]

Know what my husband says to that? "Take a *^%#@ bath!" (as he grabs his crotch yet again and grimaces)

LOL

There's no problem with hygiene. I'm seriously not trying to bash you at all, you do what you feel is right, regardless of whether or not some random stranger on an internet message board agrees with you.

It's just really not necessary. Think of every non-American male you've ever met or seen in the movies or TV (unless of course they were Jewish or Muslim) - not circumsized. Every Brit, Irishman, Asian, Italian, etc... None of them. And thus far, in the entire history of history, there have been no mass plagues of unhygienic penis disease.

In another few generations, it just won't happen unless it's for religious reasons. I have girls but if I were to have a boy tomorrow (unjinx unjinx unjinx) I wouldn't even consider this.

But I do hope all goes well with your boy, and he's up to fighting shape in no time.

Dec 31, 2010 22:01:21 GMT -5 @rick said:

Dec 31, 2010 19:06:53 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

"Im going to have to get me one of them Govt grants and do a study, but I will only be able to judge one side of the study"

I know this was said in a joking manner, but just can't wrap my head around this: how would you test this in real life? full,partial, and no circumcision? It is the partial one that would give the best data if it were possible at all: does it feel better on the left or the right side dear?

Really, why cut a newborn without any reason other than "he'll look the same as others" and then go around telling that same child while growing up how special he is compared to others??? I am rather confused by this...

I personally, think its more about hygiene that looks

[rick]

Jan 1, 2011 0:44:06 GMT -5 @jax said:

Know what my husband says to that? "Take a *^%#@ bath!" (as he grabs his crotch yet again and grimaces)

LOL

There's no problem with hygiene. I'm seriously not trying to bash you at all, you do what you feel is right, regardless of whether or not some random stranger on an internet message board agrees with you.

It's just really not necessary. Think of every non-American male you've ever met or seen in the movies or TV (unless of course they were Jewish or Muslim) - not circumsized. Every Brit, Irishman, Asian, Italian, etc... None of them. And thus far, in the entire history of history, there have been no mass plagues of unhygienic penis disease.

In another few generations, it just won't happen unless it's for religious reasons. I have girls but if I were to have a boy tomorrow (unjinx unjinx unjinx) I wouldn't even consider this.

But I do hope all goes well with your boy, and he's up to fighting shape in no time.

Dec 31, 2010 22:01:21 GMT -5 @rick said:

I personally, think its more about hygiene that looks

But you know as well as I do, little boys dont wash up like they should, or at least until they realize how good it feels







Ohhh the thought of head cheese, gross

[Archiethedragon2]

The American board of pediatrics no longer recommends circs for hygiene purposes. That is an old fashioned thought process.

[Artemis Windsong]

The Muslim religion does the circ at 8 y.o.

I watched from behind a window and quite a ways away and damn near fainted just watching my screamng son. That was 40 years ago and not a good memory.

[rick]

Jan 1, 2011 14:58:08 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

The Muslim religion does the circ at 8 y.o.

I watched from behind a window and quite a ways away and damn near fainted just watching my screamng son. That was 40 years ago and not a good memory.

Thats why you dont wait, new born and its easy

[973beachbum]

RJ there has been a lot of studies on circumcising as a way to stop a man from being infected with HIV/AIDS

DURBAN, South Africa -- More than half of all HIV infections in some groups of men might have been prevented by circumcision, a U.S. researcher told an international AIDS conference on Monday.
His findings add to a growing body of evidence that being circumcised somehow helps protect a man not only from becoming infected with HIV, but from passing it on.

Robert Bailey of the University of Illinois, Chicago joined other researchers at the 13th International AIDS Conference in saying it may be time for health officials to think about promoting circumcision in Africa as a way of helping to prevent the spread of HIV.

"I believe the evidence is now compelling enough to consider adding circumcision to the limited armament we already have against HIV/AIDS," Bailey told the conference.

He studied the Luo, a tribe of 3 million in Kenya who do not practice circumcision and who have an unusually high prevalence of HIV infection -- around 30 percent in women and 25 percent in men.

"This is two to three times higher than other areas," Bailey said.

Previous research has shown that circumcision helps hygiene by preventing the buildup of bacteria behind the foreskin.

[973beachbum]

His team found 60 percent of Luo men would prefer to be circumcised and 62 percent of women would prefer for their men to be circumcised. Both men and women also believed that being circumcised made sex more pleasurable, Bailey said.

This I find just hysterical! Everyone is touting other countries people's their decision not to circumcise as proof that they are right. But if you ask the people, they wish they were. They probably didn't ever have the option one way or the other.

And the last part proves people always think the grass really is always greener!

[The J]

Just FYI ~ Have any of you who are pro-circumcision actually been in the same room when your newborn son IS circumcised? I had a friend who had her son circumcised when he was a newborn. This was in the 1980's when the practice was widespread. The doctor strapped the infant to a "circ" board by leather straps--arms and legs. Her husband was in the room, but she chose to stand immediately outside the door. The doctor provided no local either.

It's called a brisque.

[Deleted]

If we have a son he will be circumsized. Cased closed.

[Peace Of Mind]

I want my man circumcised and if I had a son he'd be circumcised.

[Cass]

The only difference is when flaccid, otherwise they look and work the same. As to hygiene, pull back the foreskin before washing- no more effort than raising your arm to clean underneath. Some studies have suggested that uncircumsized men experience more pleasure, as the glans is protected from rubbing against shorts, etc.

[rick]

As to hygiene, pull back the foreskin before washing

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Well I guess you will have to spend some time with that little boy until he is around 14 to make sure he cleans himself properly. I know my # 1 son would take a shower and the towel would be dry after he was done. So you can preach all you want. Little boys have better things to do that was. And when they do learn to pull the foreskin back their momas are going to yell at them for doing it to fast

[Deleted]

I am going to start a campaign to see if we can sew infants sphincters closed. Their butts would be more hygienic if that became standard practice.

[jax]

Once again, heresay reigns supreme. If not circumsizing is such a good thing, it's more hygienic, then why doesn't the rest of the entire world do it to their infant sons? Why does the majority of the male population of our planet seem to get along ok without this? Why has there never been a rampant plague of icky little boy penis disease? Everybody else seems to have figured this out quite nicely over the course of mankind.

Yes, little boys would prefer to remain icky. That's why you toss the little buggers in the bath, and teach them to bathe. They won't die if they don't, but nobody's going to want to be their friend.

Again, you want to do it, do it. But there is no reason to. It's not more hygienic, and it doesn't prevent disease if you are already taking the proper precautions when called for.

p.s. don't ever pull back the foreskin of your uncirc'd son; you can hurt him. Just do your homework and leave it the heck alone. It's there for a reason.

[verrip1]

Jan 1, 2011 18:55:25 GMT -5 The J said:

Just FYI ~ Have any of you who are pro-circumcision actually been in the same room when your newborn son IS circumcised? I had a friend who had her son circumcised when he was a newborn. This was in the 1980's when the practice was widespread. The doctor strapped the infant to a "circ" board by leather straps--arms and legs. Her husband was in the room, but she chose to stand immediately outside the door. The doctor provided no local either.

It's called a brisque.

Actually, it's a Bris. It is the ceremony which celebrates joining the male baby's body and soul.

You were thinking maybe of brisket of beef? Nope. The latter is a much larger cut of meat.

[rick]

Once again, heresay reigns supreme. If not circumsizing is such a good thing, it's more hygienic, then why doesn't the rest of the entire world do it to their infant sons?

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Heresay or not, you as a woman should not be making a choice for a son. You have no forskin to contend with. Im sure if I were to give you my choice on Hygene would would tell me I had no idea what I was talking about. My whole here is the decission was mine to make based on what I thought was right. If you want to not have your son cut and its a dession you and the boys father makes together then thats great. But if the father would rather have him cut you should sit back and let the father rule

[rick]

Again, you want to do it, do it. But there is no reason to. It's not more hygienic, and it doesn't prevent disease if you are already taking the proper precautions when called for

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There are plenty of reasons to do it,and if you choise to ignore the facts then fine. And as I said. It should not be a womans place to make that call. Its no different than me as a man telling you how a daughter should be pierced, and where. Thats a choice left up to a mother

[sunshinegal1981]

I am female, and I have a STRONG preference for uncut men.

I won't even consider having my sons circumsized, when I have kids.

My current bf is uncut. There is NO issue with hygiene.

[The J]

Jan 1, 2011 22:40:11 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

Actually, it's a Bris. It is the ceremony which celebrates joining the male baby's body and soul.

You were thinking maybe of brisket of beef? Nope. The latter is a much larger cut of meat.

So I don't know how to spell it. Sue me

[rick]

Jan 2, 2011 13:05:02 GMT -5 sunshinegal1981 said:

I am female, and I have a STRONG preference for uncut men.

I won't even consider having my sons circumsized, when I have kids.

My current bf is uncut. There is NO issue with hygiene.

You know I guess thats why God made people look so different, I know I dont care for blonde, I wont even give them a second look

[rick]

Jan 2, 2011 21:06:03 GMT -5 Apple said:

Jan 2, 2011 14:49:22 GMT -5 @rick said:

You know I guess thats why God made people look so different, I know I dont care for blonde, I wont even give them a second look

but....but....but....I'm blonde

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Dec 29, 2010 11:03:02 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

I had my sons circumcised but I wonder how many people still are doing that? In retrospect, I wouldn't have done it. They didn't have any problems, but I really don't see the point.

Same here...

[The J]

Jan 2, 2011 21:06:03 GMT -5 Apple said:

Jan 2, 2011 14:49:22 GMT -5 @rick said:

You know I guess thats why God made people look so different, I know I dont care for blonde, I wont even give them a second look

but....but....but....I'm blonde

I'll look

[mmkad4]

I was born in Brazil where circumcision is only performed if there is a problem. I have 3 younger brothers who are also uncircumcised. We have never had problems with our penises.

As far as the hygiene argument, I don't get it. Do circumcised men not shower? Is getting circumcised an excuse for showering less? All you women who are pro-circumcision, would you rather work with a circumcised penis that hasn't been washed in God knows how many days (because, oh, they don't have to wash it as often) and has been sitting in a pee-stained underwear OR a circumcised penis that HAS to be cleaned regularly? If the excuse is not to shower less, than what's the difference? If you shower regularly, you can wash it whether it is circumcised or not. Right!?

Also, the penis has a foreskin for a reason. What's next? Are we going to find that ear wax is unsanitary and everyone should get their ears cut off? The rectum is unsanitary. We don't see anyone "circumcising" their rectums now, do we? It's a ridiculous procedure and what remains of a very antiquated mentality! Circumcision when done for non-religious reasons is pointless and barbaric (I think it is also barbaric when done for religious reasons, but at least there's a reason).

Nothing against my circumcised fellas out there since they most likely didn't have a choice. But if you have one, why would you put your son(s) through something that is completely aesthetic? "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!"

[mmkad4]

Oh, and to the person who said that her ex was a clean freak but the smell never went away, he needs to see a doctor about that. That's not normal.

[rick]

If you shower regularly, you can wash it whether it is circumcised or not. Right!?



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And really really enjoy it Right

[bean29]

Sometimes I listen to talk radio, and Dr Dean O'Dell is very anti circumcisim. He says it reduces a man's sexual pleasure.

The above comment is exactly why I could not bring myself to make this decision for my Son 17 years ago. If he wants to have it done, he can be responsible for making the decision himself - as an Adult.

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[NomoreDramaQ1015]

That is an old fashioned thought process

I just read a book Sex at Dawn. Circumcision became widespread, especially in the United States as an attempt to curtail masturbation. It was thought if you removed the boys foreskin (especially at an older age without anathesia) that would cure them of wanting to masturbate.

That's where the original mandate that all boys be circumcised came from.

The health benefits for us are pretty much nil. The health benefits come into play in countries like Africa with rampant STDs but condom use is seen as taboo.

The thinking is that maybe they can get men to go along with circumcision a lot easier than condom useage which would lead to at least some reduction in the STD rate in those countries.

Unless it is for religious purposes the procedure is pretty much just a comestic one in the United States.

[rick]

Sometimes I listen to talk radio, and Dr Dean O'Dell is very anti circumcisim. He says it reduces a man's sexual pleasure.

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WOW< I wonder what I have been missing all my life, and you know. I wonder how they can rate the difference. Well back to that study I talked about