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Post by weltschmerz on May 26, 2016 14:55:21 GMT -5
It kind of made me laugh at how sadly true some of this is for some people. They'll cry out about the top three but not say a word or care about the last ones. Of course, not for everyone but the top three seem to be their biggest complaints and biggest uproars. You know whats funny, all the transgender people who want to kill children. Are we just writing insulting lies about those we disagree with now? Ummmm....what? What nonsense are you posting about now?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 14:58:25 GMT -5
You know whats funny, all the transgender people who want to kill children. Are we just writing insulting lies about those we disagree with now? Ummmm....what? What nonsense are you posting about now? Have you ever in your life understood the post of someone you thought you disagreed with? Ever, even once? Isn't there some anti-christian hate you could be spewing elsewhere?
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Post by weltschmerz on May 26, 2016 15:07:46 GMT -5
Ummmm....what? What nonsense are you posting about now? Have you ever in your life understood the post of someone you thought you disagreed with? Ever, even once? Isn't there some anti-christian hate you could be spewing elsewhere? Well, why don't you elaborate on these transgenders who want to kill children?
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on May 27, 2016 1:31:19 GMT -5
You know whats funny, all the transgender people who want to kill children. Are we just writing insulting lies about those we disagree with now? Ummmm....what? What nonsense are you posting about now? I read it as a cynical mash up of all of them, but, then, I tend to assume the best in folks...
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 28, 2016 11:56:20 GMT -5
No, the fact is the first three have been cried out about and people are running around in protest. Yet, do we see the outcry for the rest? Maybe, the last two. But it's often people defending transgender and gays that are outcrying about the last two. It seems to me that the people that are outcrying about the first three are often not outcrying about the last two or any of the other ones. -- This also wasn't writing "insulting lies" this is just the way society seems to be right now, they're crying out the first three but not crying out about the other ones. "All transgender people want to kill children" really, hickle? That's what you're going to use to prove a point? This wasn't directed at any one set of people. It's saying that it's crazy that this is what people are trying to protect their children from where there's more serious things to protect children from that happen WAY MORE often than someone gay doing something to their children or a transgender person. I however don't know the statistics on abortion but I think their's kids out their dying, already alive that are having to fear police, being shot by a mass shooter, not being fed, and yes have been molested in church...statistics show that's a bigger cry and more unsafe than being attacked by gays or transgender people but that seems to be the cry. A child has a bigger chance of being molested at church than being molested in a bathroom. The point of that post isn't direction at any one set of people like you felt the need to direct something at transgender people it's saying "Hey public open up your dang eyes and look at statistics and the world around you start shouting out about these things, that happen way more often to children." You completely missed the point. This wasn't directed at all Christians, or all Conservatives, or any certain class. It was directed at people that feel the need to shout out about protecting children from these things while failing to shout out about what statistics are showing to be the real issue. You're the one that took it offensively toward yourself. Kolt! I have a serious question for you. How do you view being a transgender individual? Do you view it as a mental health issue that needs more understanding and accommodation or do you view it something that should be seen as being part of the "normal" spectrum (which is broad spectrum) of human behavior. It's an honest question and not meant to be insulting or anything of the sort because I think a lot of the discussion differences might be how people view it...and because of your history, I was curious about your view on it. ,
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Post by billisonboard on May 28, 2016 12:28:51 GMT -5
... Kolt! I have a serious question for you. How do you view being a transgender individual? Do you view it as a mental health issue that needs more understanding and accommodation or do you view it something that should be seen as being part of the "normal" spectrum (which is broad spectrum) of human behavior. It's an honest question and not meant to be insulting or anything of the sort because I think a lot of the discussion differences might be how people view it...and because of your history, I was curious about your view on it. , You addressed this to one person but I am going to jump in. I see gender identity as a "mental health issue". It has been one in my life. Fortunately for me, my body parts matched up with my general sense of gender identity but I have struggled with some of the finer points of what it means to be male in our current society. Whether it is not wanting to play with trucks as a kid or transgender, more understanding and accommodation will lead to better mental health for all involved.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 12:39:47 GMT -5
Does mental health issue = mental illness? How is the term being used?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 28, 2016 13:04:16 GMT -5
Does mental health issue = mental illness? How is the term being used? While the terminology was softened and broadened to include both short and long term issues, the term mental illness is usually referring more to longer-term mental health issues and in this case, gender dysphoria would fall into that long-term category.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 13:25:19 GMT -5
So what you are really asking is do we consider transgenderism to be a mental illness. Which I find a different question than whether or not issues of gender contribute to quality of mental health.
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Post by Kolt! on May 28, 2016 14:04:38 GMT -5
No, the fact is the first three have been cried out about and people are running around in protest. Yet, do we see the outcry for the rest? Maybe, the last two. But it's often people defending transgender and gays that are outcrying about the last two. It seems to me that the people that are outcrying about the first three are often not outcrying about the last two or any of the other ones. -- This also wasn't writing "insulting lies" this is just the way society seems to be right now, they're crying out the first three but not crying out about the other ones. "All transgender people want to kill children" really, hickle? That's what you're going to use to prove a point? This wasn't directed at any one set of people. It's saying that it's crazy that this is what people are trying to protect their children from where there's more serious things to protect children from that happen WAY MORE often than someone gay doing something to their children or a transgender person. I however don't know the statistics on abortion but I think their's kids out their dying, already alive that are having to fear police, being shot by a mass shooter, not being fed, and yes have been molested in church...statistics show that's a bigger cry and more unsafe than being attacked by gays or transgender people but that seems to be the cry. A child has a bigger chance of being molested at church than being molested in a bathroom. The point of that post isn't direction at any one set of people like you felt the need to direct something at transgender people it's saying "Hey public open up your dang eyes and look at statistics and the world around you start shouting out about these things, that happen way more often to children." You completely missed the point. This wasn't directed at all Christians, or all Conservatives, or any certain class. It was directed at people that feel the need to shout out about protecting children from these things while failing to shout out about what statistics are showing to be the real issue. You're the one that took it offensively toward yourself. Kolt! I have a serious question for you. How do you view being a transgender individual? Do you view it as a mental health issue that needs more understanding and accommodation or do you view it something that should be seen as being part of the "normal" spectrum (which is broad spectrum) of human behavior. It's an honest question and not meant to be insulting or anything of the sort because I think a lot of the discussion differences might be how people view it...and because of your history, I was curious about your view on it. , I don't know how I view it to be honest. I just know how I felt. I knew that I had two choices A. be miserable how I was knowing something was off with who I was. I felt so many things that society doesn't deem normal and I hated it. or B. risk being miserable and transitioning but also risk seeing if this could make me more happy. In both situations I risked being miserable but in situation A I'd never know if transitioning could help. However in my personal experience now that I pass my life just feels so much better, and I'm happier. The feelings I had prior that didn't feel normal actually aren't here now that I pass. Therefore, even if it is a mental illness my "drug" to help me was transitioning. There are no other "drugs" deemed to make these thoughts or these feelings go away if this is a mental illness. I could not live the way I was living anymore. Essentially once I started passing and my brain matched my body everything in my life started to align better for me. I don't care if it is a "mental illness." if it is who really cares. Even if it is I think it still needs to be accepted. Because the people my age that have transitioned and passed are all a lot happier after they have done. In my opinion, it still makes us human. In my opinion, us being happier with who we are matters more than if it is a "mental illness." there is nothing in this world that has been proven to help someone not be trans or gay for that matter. Nothing. I think it's selfish to ask a transgender person to not transition simply because society deems it not right. Also with scientific evidence it's becoming more and more common that studies are showing it's not down to a dick and vagina what determines someones gender but in their brains. It explains why someone not born male or female will sometimes pick a particular gender to be. One female who was born with both female and male parts said that she knew she was female from a very young age and went on living life as a female. She was a female lesbian and people often questioned her because they'd ask why she didn't just choose to be male when she "technically" had a choice. And she very clearly said she didn't have a choice in her gender, she is female regardless of her being born with both that's how she always felt...female. I also have a friend that was born with both female and male parts and his parents brought him up to be female but his entire life he wanted to be brought up a male but his parents wouldn't let him as they'd already chosen to make him be a female but when he turned 18 and left their home he changed everything he could to become a male because he always felt male. And transgender doesn't mean someone likes boy things or girls things, that's now why they feel that way. As I personally love to cook and read which are more known female traits But I love to play and watch football. I love to watch romance movies and action movies. I love reading gore but reading sob stories. Also some transgender people still like the sex they were assigned at birth. A transgender male may only want to date men which goes to also show it's nothing to do with sexuality preference. A transgender male isn't going to go through the process of transitioning just because of a sexual preference when in a female body they could date men without judgement. But they transition to a male and continued to date men. So in short I guess I don't care how someone feels the need to classify me being transgender all that should matter to them is that transitioning meant I was a lot less depressed. After transitioning I was able to be around people and feel like me. Before I transitioned I could hardly talk around people I sat in groups of people or in class feeling like a robot, feeling like I wasn't existent. I didn't know how to interact with people. I had so much social anxiety and I'd get home from school and shut the door behind me throw on a baseball hat and change into baggy clothes because I couldn't bare to be beneath my own skin. I wouldn't do anything other than go to school and I could hardly make friends because of the way I felt. The thought of dying was an occurrence every single day for me. After I transitioned and started to pass I joined school clubs. I can be around people now and make eye contact, I'm more confident. I have friends now and even a significant other. I'm on a local football team. I haven't had a thought about ending my life in two years. I literally feel like this was how it was supposed to be my entire life. My body connects with my mind. I feel like I didn't really know how to live until I was able to be in the body I felt like I needed this entire time. No amount of therapy or medicine would have let me feel okay in the previous body I felt trapped in. No amount of praying was going to help me either. No amount of wishing at 11:11 or on the two shooting stars I saw were going to help me be okay with that. I went from praying to be okay with being female to praying to let me wake up male. I spent every night praying and wishing at 11:11 for nearly fifteen years before I just decided I needed to do something or risk being miserable forever. Like why would someone feel the need to shun someone that just wanted to try to find a way to live their life to the best they knew how. What does it matter if it's a mental illness because that medicine for me and many others was transitioning. What does it matter when after transitioning I felt alive. So for me or not, mental illness or not, after transitioning I don't feel like I have much of a mental illness personally. I live my life like any other cismale out there. There's nothing I'm doing that's out of the ordinary in my life now except for that weekly shot but heck people have to take meds, and shots for all sorts of things. So I just think it should be accepted and transgender people should be treated just the same as the person behind them no matter if it's a mental illness or not. If their only crime is switching genders it's a lot better than many other crimes committed in the world. Because other than that... a lot of transgender people in this world people won't even know they're trans, a lot my age because they transitioned at an earlier age. Nobody would know. They're out there living in the world just as anyone else would do and they're not sticking out because their not acting crazy or anything. They're probably taking a pee. Playing a game. Eating donuts. Reading a book.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 28, 2016 14:08:52 GMT -5
So what you are really asking is do we consider transgenderism to be a mental illness. Which I find a different question than whether or not issues of gender contribute to quality of mental health. and in my opinion it is not a mental illness. To put this in another perspective: I see this more along the lines of something that happened to me a long time ago. Someone asked me whether I thought it added extra pressure on me to proof I was better than the males in my team. My answer then was no, just irritating because I AM better. I think this is true for a transgender person as well: they just ARE. Now if society would just accept this we could all get on with the bussiness of life and be the happier for it (and that includes both transgender as well as those who can't accept this)
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 28, 2016 14:52:55 GMT -5
So what you are really asking is do we consider transgenderism to be a mental illness. Which I find a different question than whether or not issues of gender contribute to quality of mental health. Yes that was the question.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 28, 2016 15:07:26 GMT -5
So what you are really asking is do we consider transgenderism to be a mental illness. Which I find a different question than whether or not issues of gender contribute to quality of mental health. and in my opinion it is not a mental illness. To put this in another perspective: I see this more along the lines of something that happened to me a long time ago. Someone asked me whether I thought it added extra pressure on me to proof I was better than the males in my team. My answer then was no, just irritating because I AM better. I think this is true for a transgender person as well: they just ARE. Now if society would just accept this we could all get on with the bussiness of life and be the happier for it (and that includes both transgender as well as those who can't accept this) Then you can't classify anything as a mental illness. We can have different discussions like if it is a mental health issue, the best results come from allowing the transition and as a society we need to find the best way to help in this transition; but to outright deny it as a mental health issue is part of the issue with the whole discussion. Any other time that a person's perception of reality is so opposed to actual reality, we have no issue calling it a mental health issue...sometimes it shows itself in the form of depression, anxiety issues, schizophrenia, multiple personality syndromes, narcissism, anorexia, bulimia, PTSD...the only difference is that none of them have a large enough lobby group to try to make people afraid to call them what they are. I'm not trying to be combative here, but if you can't even admit it is a mental health issue, then we can't even have a real discussion about the best approach to help people dealing with it. People have done it throughout history, postpartum depression used to be called the "baby blues," PTSD was called a variety of different things, other mental health issues were called different things too...none of these things were helped by ignoring what they were and only by at least admitting it was an issue could we even start to try and help people dealing with them. You have to admit something is an issue before you can work on figuring out the best approach to something.
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Post by Kolt! on May 28, 2016 15:14:47 GMT -5
It's the stigma with the word mental issue.
It makes it sound like it's an issue and being transgender isn't really an issue. People hate the stigma on mental issues because it makes it sound like it is an issue when a lot of times it may not be an issue if people were to just accept people that were transgender.
Like if we lived in a world where nobody bulled transgender people as in called them disgusting, and killed them for being trans, and were just downright awful to them and they just accepted them, and they were able to transition without judgement it wouldn't be much of an issue.
I think this is why some people don't like to call it a mental issue because for a lot of transgender people and others believe them being trans isn't an issue and shouldn't be looked at as such.
But as I said, I don't really care what someone considers it as long as they treat me the same as the guy in line behind me, and accept what I want to be referred as, and they don't start trying to make it a law I can't take T and such.
Honestly I truly believe everyone has a little bit of a mental illness inside them. Almost everyone has some sort of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder to them as well. Just some deal with it more than others.
Nobody is completely mental issue free. Some are just easier to live with than others.
But other's also don't want to call it a mental issue because science is now providing more evidence that the brain is what dictates someone's gender.
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Post by Kolt! on May 28, 2016 15:17:34 GMT -5
People a lot of times are afraid of therapy too. A bad look at therapy. I know my parents used to look at it as awful.
But people should go searching for ways to make them the happiest they can be, and live life to the best of their ability. If therapy can help this than they should certainly seek therapy. If rehab can help this they can see therapy, ect.
I did seek out therapy and I was on depression medication but it didn't take away me being transgender. So I sought out other ways to find a way to become the best me that I can. The best me for myself. And right now I feel like I'm the best me that I can be at this point in my life.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 29, 2016 7:06:44 GMT -5
Kolt! I have a serious question for you. How do you view being a transgender individual? Do you view it as a mental health issue that needs more understanding and accommodation or do you view it something that should be seen as being part of the "normal" spectrum (which is broad spectrum) of human behavior. It's an honest question and not meant to be insulting or anything of the sort because I think a lot of the discussion differences might be how people view it...and because of your history, I was curious about your view on it. , I don't know how I view it to be honest. I just know how I felt. I knew that I had two choices A. be miserable how I was knowing something was off with who I was. I felt so many things that society doesn't deem normal and I hated it. or B. risk being miserable and transitioning but also risk seeing if this could make me more happy. In both situations I risked being miserable but in situation A I'd never know if transitioning could help. However in my personal experience now that I pass my life just feels so much better, and I'm happier. The feelings I had prior that didn't feel normal actually aren't here now that I pass. Therefore, even if it is a mental illness my "drug" to help me was transitioning. There are no other "drugs" deemed to make these thoughts or these feelings go away if this is a mental illness. I could not live the way I was living anymore. Essentially once I started passing and my brain matched my body everything in my life started to align better for me. I don't care if it is a "mental illness." if it is who really cares. Even if it is I think it still needs to be accepted. Because the people my age that have transitioned and passed are all a lot happier after they have done. In my opinion, it still makes us human. In my opinion, us being happier with who we are matters more than if it is a "mental illness." there is nothing in this world that has been proven to help someone not be trans or gay for that matter. Nothing. I think it's selfish to ask a transgender person to not transition simply because society deems it not right. Also with scientific evidence it's becoming more and more common that studies are showing it's not down to a dick and vagina what determines someones gender but in their brains. It explains why someone not born male or female will sometimes pick a particular gender to be. One female who was born with both female and male parts said that she knew she was female from a very young age and went on living life as a female. She was a female lesbian and people often questioned her because they'd ask why she didn't just choose to be male when she "technically" had a choice. And she very clearly said she didn't have a choice in her gender, she is female regardless of her being born with both that's how she always felt...female. I also have a friend that was born with both female and male parts and his parents brought him up to be female but his entire life he wanted to be brought up a male but his parents wouldn't let him as they'd already chosen to make him be a female but when he turned 18 and left their home he changed everything he could to become a male because he always felt male. And transgender doesn't mean someone likes boy things or girls things, that's now why they feel that way. As I personally love to cook and read which are more known female traits But I love to play and watch football. I love to watch romance movies and action movies. I love reading gore but reading sob stories. Also some transgender people still like the sex they were assigned at birth. A transgender male may only want to date men which goes to also show it's nothing to do with sexuality preference. A transgender male isn't going to go through the process of transitioning just because of a sexual preference when in a female body they could date men without judgement. But they transition to a male and continued to date men. So in short I guess I don't care how someone feels the need to classify me being transgender all that should matter to them is that transitioning meant I was a lot less depressed. After transitioning I was able to be around people and feel like me. Before I transitioned I could hardly talk around people I sat in groups of people or in class feeling like a robot, feeling like I wasn't existent. I didn't know how to interact with people. I had so much social anxiety and I'd get home from school and shut the door behind me throw on a baseball hat and change into baggy clothes because I couldn't bare to be beneath my own skin. I wouldn't do anything other than go to school and I could hardly make friends because of the way I felt. The thought of dying was an occurrence every single day for me. After I transitioned and started to pass I joined school clubs. I can be around people now and make eye contact, I'm more confident. I have friends now and even a significant other. I'm on a local football team. I haven't had a thought about ending my life in two years. I literally feel like this was how it was supposed to be my entire life. My body connects with my mind. I feel like I didn't really know how to live until I was able to be in the body I felt like I needed this entire time. No amount of therapy or medicine would have let me feel okay in the previous body I felt trapped in. No amount of praying was going to help me either. No amount of wishing at 11:11 or on the two shooting stars I saw were going to help me be okay with that. I went from praying to be okay with being female to praying to let me wake up male. I spent every night praying and wishing at 11:11 for nearly fifteen years before I just decided I needed to do something or risk being miserable forever. Like why would someone feel the need to shun someone that just wanted to try to find a way to live their life to the best they knew how. What does it matter if it's a mental illness because that medicine for me and many others was transitioning. What does it matter when after transitioning I felt alive. So for me or not, mental illness or not, after transitioning I don't feel like I have much of a mental illness personally. I live my life like any other cismale out there. There's nothing I'm doing that's out of the ordinary in my life now except for that weekly shot but heck people have to take meds, and shots for all sorts of things. So I just think it should be accepted and transgender people should be treated just the same as the person behind them no matter if it's a mental illness or not. If their only crime is switching genders it's a lot better than many other crimes committed in the world. Because other than that... a lot of transgender people in this world people won't even know they're trans, a lot my age because they transitioned at an earlier age. Nobody would know. They're out there living in the world just as anyone else would do and they're not sticking out because their not acting crazy or anything. They're probably taking a pee. Playing a game. Eating donuts. Reading a book. Thank you for your response.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 29, 2016 7:19:13 GMT -5
It's the stigma with the word mental issue. It makes it sound like it's an issue and being transgender isn't really an issue. People hate the stigma on mental issues because it makes it sound like it is an issue when a lot of times it may not be an issue if people were to just accept people that were transgender. Like if we lived in a world where nobody bulled transgender people as in called them disgusting, and killed them for being trans, and were just downright awful to them and they just accepted them, and they were able to transition without judgement it wouldn't be much of an issue. I think this is why some people don't like to call it a mental issue because for a lot of transgender people and others believe them being trans isn't an issue and shouldn't be looked at as such. But as I said, I don't really care what someone considers it as long as they treat me the same as the guy in line behind me, and accept what I want to be referred as, and they don't start trying to make it a law I can't take T and such. Honestly I truly believe everyone has a little bit of a mental illness inside them. Almost everyone has some sort of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder to them as well. Just some deal with it more than others. Nobody is completely mental issue free. Some are just easier to live with than others. But other's also don't want to call it a mental issue because science is now providing more evidence that the brain is what dictates someone's gender. Any other situation where a person's perception of reality and reality are as far apart, there is an societal effort to help those people in some way...but it doesn't make sense to have no issue calling those things mental health issues and then acting like being transgender doesn't fit that same criteria. It's not intended to be an insult, it is what it is...but on the same note, it is because of the understanding that people with these many different issues are just people who are struggling; that society has changed how they view different things (i.e. PTSD, postpartum, etc). You don't get rid of stigmas and you don't encourage people to seek help when they need it by being afraid to call things what they are because all that does in the long run is discourage people struggling with different things to avoid seeking the help they could use because people have made them afraid of being labeled as having a "mental health issue." When people get a physical illness, we encourage them to go to the doctor to get help and have no problem calling it an illness...however, there isn't a stigma attached to it, and as long as people are afraid of labeling something or having something labeled as a mental health issue, that stigma won't go away. Mental health issues aren't the problem, people stigmatizing them and being afraid of calling them that is the problem. Just my 2 cents anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 7:41:55 GMT -5
There is biological evidence for transgender. Sex organs are not the only 'reality' attached to gender.
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Post by Kolt! on May 29, 2016 8:15:30 GMT -5
There is biological evidence for transgender. Sex organs are not the only 'reality' attached to gender. And there's this too as a reason behind people not wanting to call it a mental illness. Science is dragging up more evidence that it isn't really a mental illness. One born with two different parts wouldn't be considered a mental illness either. I'm just the type of person that doesn't really care what someone wants to call it as long as they respect me and my friends that are transgender. I personally do believe in what science is researching and coming to conclusion with though. I believe someday maybe I won't be alive to see it though that it will be realized that gender is not determined by the vagina and dick. The occurrences of people born not completely male or female but can still sometimes feel a particular gender as well helps me put this to better perspective. The research as well.
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Post by Kolt! on May 29, 2016 8:17:13 GMT -5
As some people would call gay and lesbians a mental illness as well.
I guess I'm just in the mindset that I personally don't care if it is a mental illness but I'm not in the mindset where I 100 percent believe that is what it is either.
I know how I felt after transitioning and I passed. The thing is I don't experience any normal mental illness thoughts now like I had before transitioning.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 29, 2016 11:10:26 GMT -5
There is biological evidence for transgender. Sex organs are not the only 'reality' attached to gender. Not really, there is suggestive evidence that brain chemistry (which controls hormones and pretty much everything else) plays a role in how a person perceives themselves and most of the time that matches up with biological sex organs. However, in the cases where it doesn't having an understanding of brain chemistry can help in figuring out the best way to approach it (i.e. transitioning) and how society can best approach it. Understanding how brain chemistry works has helped in figuring out how to help a lot of people through medications and other forms of therapy have helped a large number of people with varying degrees of issues. The irony of this whole conversation is that if the "T" wasn't part of a larger LGBTQ alliance, you very likely wouldn't be making this same argument and we very likely wouldn't be having a conversation about the threat to remove federal funding to institutions that don't allow full access to locker rooms and bathrooms. It wouldn't even be a question of if it should be considered a mental health issue. It's not disrespectful to call something what it is and it's not disrespectful to try and figure out the best approach to helping people with whatever...it is however disrespectful that people want to treat things differently because there is a large enough lobby group or that they don't care about it until there is a large enough lobby group.
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Post by billisonboard on May 29, 2016 11:17:42 GMT -5
... ...it is however disrespectful that people want to treat things differently because there is a large enough lobby group or that they don't care about it until there is a large enough lobby group. I want to treat things differently when I become aware there is a need to treat things differently. The "large enough lobby group" simply creates enough noise to get my attention in my busy world.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 29, 2016 11:26:35 GMT -5
It's the stigma with the word mental issue. It makes it sound like it's an issue and being transgender isn't really an issue. People hate the stigma on mental issues because it makes it sound like it is an issue when a lot of times it may not be an issue if people were to just accept people that were transgender. Like if we lived in a world where nobody bulled transgender people as in called them disgusting, and killed them for being trans, and were just downright awful to them and they just accepted them, and they were able to transition without judgement it wouldn't be much of an issue. I think this is why some people don't like to call it a mental issue because for a lot of transgender people and others believe them being trans isn't an issue and shouldn't be looked at as such. But as I said, I don't really care what someone considers it as long as they treat me the same as the guy in line behind me, and accept what I want to be referred as, and they don't start trying to make it a law I can't take T and such. Honestly I truly believe everyone has a little bit of a mental illness inside them. Almost everyone has some sort of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder to them as well. Just some deal with it more than others. Nobody is completely mental issue free. Some are just easier to live with than others. But other's also don't want to call it a mental issue because science is now providing more evidence that the brain is what dictates someone's gender. Any other situation where a person's perception of reality and reality are as far apart, there is an societal effort to help those people in some way...but it doesn't make sense to have no issue calling those things mental health issues and then acting like being transgender doesn't fit that same criteria. It's not intended to be an insult, it is what it is...but on the same note, it is because of the understanding that people with these many different issues are just people who are struggling; that society has changed how they view different things (i.e. PTSD, postpartum, etc). You don't get rid of stigmas and you don't encourage people to seek help when they need it by being afraid to call things what they are because all that does in the long run is discourage people struggling with different things to avoid seeking the help they could use because people have made them afraid of being labeled as having a "mental health issue." When people get a physical illness, we encourage them to go to the doctor to get help and have no problem calling it an illness...however, there isn't a stigma attached to it, and as long as people are afraid of labeling something or having something labeled as a mental health issue, that stigma won't go away. Mental health issues aren't the problem, people stigmatizing them and being afraid of calling them that is the problem. Just my 2 cents anyway. Now you sound just like Trump... "I'm not going to call her a bimbo, but she's a bimbo" "I'm not going to call her goofy, but she's goofy." I'm not going to call him a liar, but he's a liar."
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 29, 2016 11:39:11 GMT -5
Any other situation where a person's perception of reality and reality are as far apart, there is an societal effort to help those people in some way...but it doesn't make sense to have no issue calling those things mental health issues and then acting like being transgender doesn't fit that same criteria. It's not intended to be an insult, it is what it is...but on the same note, it is because of the understanding that people with these many different issues are just people who are struggling; that society has changed how they view different things (i.e. PTSD, postpartum, etc). You don't get rid of stigmas and you don't encourage people to seek help when they need it by being afraid to call things what they are because all that does in the long run is discourage people struggling with different things to avoid seeking the help they could use because people have made them afraid of being labeled as having a "mental health issue." When people get a physical illness, we encourage them to go to the doctor to get help and have no problem calling it an illness...however, there isn't a stigma attached to it, and as long as people are afraid of labeling something or having something labeled as a mental health issue, that stigma won't go away. Mental health issues aren't the problem, people stigmatizing them and being afraid of calling them that is the problem. Just my 2 cents anyway. Now you sound just like Trump... "I'm not going to call her a bimbo, but she's a bimbo" "I'm not going to call her goofy, but she's goofy." I'm not going to call him a liar, but he's a liar." You meant that as an insult, but that's ok because in that instance, maybe he's right.
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Post by Kolt! on May 29, 2016 14:29:00 GMT -5
It's actually not 100% certain that it is a mental illness.
You keep insisting it is but it honestly is not 100 percent certain that it is. Science is starting to gather that it may not be, sure there isn't enough evidence that it isn't a mental illness but there isnt' enough evidence to say it is either.
People just want to claim it one in some regards because they deem the thoughts "not normal" therefore, any thoughts that seem not normal to certain people they automatically want to claim it a mental illness.
100 years down the road maybe that's what it'll be classified as but 100 years down the road maybe it won't be classified as that.
Point is there's no 100 percent guarantee with either sides of it being a mental illness or not supporting if it is or isn't one.
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Post by Kolt! on May 29, 2016 14:31:33 GMT -5
You're kind of asking for an opinion on what people think..as in if they believe it's a mental illness or not and when someone claims it isn't you're basically telling them they're wrong as it is a mental illness. >.>
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.
Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.
I honestly don't think their's enough research to back up the fact for either cases at this point in time.
I just know how I felt before and how I felt after.
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Post by jkapp on May 29, 2016 17:20:13 GMT -5
If having transgender students use the bathrooms of their choice is no big deal, then why not just make all bathrooms gender neutral? If there's no issue, then WTF wouldn't people go for that?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 7:30:13 GMT -5
I would go for that.
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Post by milee on May 30, 2016 9:36:45 GMT -5
If having transgender students use the bathrooms of their choice is no big deal, then why not just make all bathrooms gender neutral? If there's no issue, then WTF wouldn't people go for that? I would go for that and would support it at my kids' school. Make all the stalls private (none of this BS where there's a tiny partial door with large cracks between the door and sill) and make all bathrooms unisex... done. For the sake of efficiency at large venues, they could designate one room the "pissoir" with a row of non-private urinals, leaving the rest of the bathrooms unisex.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 9:49:34 GMT -5
If having transgender students use the bathrooms of their choice is no big deal, then why not just make all bathrooms gender neutral? If there's no issue, then WTF wouldn't people go for that? I think that is a horrible idea for certain age groups. It would end up with teachers having to monitor the bathrooms. The first time you had a sexual assault in a bathroom stall or not even a sexual assault, but just consensual sex at school, people would go nuts. Kids of a certain age need to be monitored if they cannot be trusted and you cannot trust every kid at a middle or jr high school.
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