quince
Senior Member
Joined: Sept 23, 2011 17:51:12 GMT -5
Posts: 2,699
|
Post by quince on Jan 26, 2016 12:15:28 GMT -5
My husband HAS been mugged. At gunpoint, so no chance he misinterpreted the dude's intentions. He doesn't think the world would be better if everyone just carried all the time, and we don't own a gun. I think he would have preferred being robbed at knife point- those things go off accidentally a lot less. He is also not particularly anti-gun, and neither am I. Probably anti THAT guy having a gun. He's not anxious when approached by people despite that experience. Don't know how he's not.
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 12:17:36 GMT -5
How about someone turning around? I never back in places, but according to the boards here, lots of people back in everywhere. And it's possible with looting going on you are correct and they had other intentions... But the idea that most people wouldn't run, even if they had no evil intent, when being approached with a shotgun, isn't really accurate. Back before the proliferation of cell phones, I came upon a bad wreck one night. I drove to the nearest house and knocked on the door. I was greeted by a very grumpy looking man in his tighty whiteys holding a deer rifle. I didn't drive away. I asked him to call police and an ambulance. I didn't fear him. He had a gun handy to protect himself in case the need arose. We just live in different places I suppose.
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 12:19:30 GMT -5
Green Eyed Lady, while I understand what you are saying, the fact remains that many people who carry guns seem to mistake 'escape' from just went about their daily business. The statistics show that people who carry weapons are more likely to die. I'm not saying don't carry them. Just that it isn't an end all situation. It requires thought and planning and frankly disposition. The fact is that people who carry guns are more likely to escalate a situation which would not normally have ended in violence/death. They are more likely to die than they are to save themselves or anyone else with the gun. That is just numbers, no injection of opinion. And what I saw in this thread seems to back that up. The first instinct to reach for a gun when its perfectly possible that there was in reality NO risk... is problematic and indicative of the statistics.
I'll ask again. If one is statistically better off being unarmed, why do police carry guns?
|
|
quince
Senior Member
Joined: Sept 23, 2011 17:51:12 GMT -5
Posts: 2,699
|
Post by quince on Jan 26, 2016 12:24:07 GMT -5
(Psst. In countries without guns being super prevalent, police don't always carry guns.)
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 12:26:44 GMT -5
(Psst. In countries without guns being super prevalent, police don't always carry guns.) They all do here in the U.S. as far as I know.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,912
|
Post by zibazinski on Jan 26, 2016 12:51:49 GMT -5
Don't know and don't care what the young man's reason for approaching me was. I felt threatened and realized my own stupidity had caused the entire situation. I had too much on my mind and could have very well ended up being asked for directions, to buy magazines, or been assaulted. Not willing to deal with either of the three options.
|
|
Cookies Galore
Senior Associate
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 18:08:13 GMT -5
Posts: 10,892
|
Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 26, 2016 12:59:09 GMT -5
How about someone turning around? I never back in places, but according to the boards here, lots of people back in everywhere. And it's possible with looting going on you are correct and they had other intentions... But the idea that most people wouldn't run, even if they had no evil intent, when being approached with a shotgun, isn't really accurate. Back before the proliferation of cell phones, I came upon a bad wreck one night. I drove to the nearest house and knocked on the door. I was greeted by a very grumpy looking man in his tighty whiteys holding a deer rifle. I didn't drive away. I asked him to call police and an ambulance. I didn't fear him. He had a gun handy to protect himself in case the need arose. We just live in different places I suppose. Good thing you weren't Renisha McBride. This thread makes me more afraid of paranoid gun nuts than petty criminals. thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/07/3468759/homeowner-who-shot-dead-a-girl-on-his-porch-found-guilty-of-murder/
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,592
|
Post by happyhoix on Jan 26, 2016 13:08:06 GMT -5
Green Eyed Lady, while I understand what you are saying, the fact remains that many people who carry guns seem to mistake 'escape' from just went about their daily business. The statistics show that people who carry weapons are more likely to die. I'm not saying don't carry them. Just that it isn't an end all situation. It requires thought and planning and frankly disposition. The fact is that people who carry guns are more likely to escalate a situation which would not normally have ended in violence/death. They are more likely to die than they are to save themselves or anyone else with the gun. That is just numbers, no injection of opinion. And what I saw in this thread seems to back that up. The first instinct to reach for a gun when its perfectly possible that there was in reality NO risk... is problematic and indicative of the statistics.
I'll ask again. If one is statistically better off being unarmed, why do police carry guns? Police are trained professionals. They have to do annual training and pass vision tests. If they are suspended, or if they might be drunks or drug addicts, they get their weapon taken away from them.
They aren't granny who can't see the side of a barn who has a weapon. Or Don who gets drunk every night and leaves his pistol on the coffee table where his five year old can get it. Or Mitch the meth addict who thinks snakes are in the wall and his neighbor is an alien. They aren't Debbie who got a gun for protection but never took a class, never fired it at a firing range, and who will freeze if ever confronted by an attacker, allowing the attacker to snatch her gun away and kill her with it. Or Hank who gets mad at his wife, loads his pistol and puts it to her head.
If all gun owners were responsible gun owners who did the kind of training and vetting that the police do, I think the statistics would show that gun ownership helped people avoid being injured or killed. Unfortunately, almost any idiot who wants a gun can own one, no matter how blind, mentally impaired, irresponsible or violent they are. Which makes it more likely, especially for women married to violent men with guns, that they'll be injured.
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 13:09:23 GMT -5
Back before the proliferation of cell phones, I came upon a bad wreck one night. I drove to the nearest house and knocked on the door. I was greeted by a very grumpy looking man in his tighty whiteys holding a deer rifle. I didn't drive away. I asked him to call police and an ambulance. I didn't fear him. He had a gun handy to protect himself in case the need arose. We just live in different places I suppose. Good thing you weren't Renisha McBride. This thread makes me more afraid of paranoid gun nuts than petty criminals. thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/07/3468759/homeowner-who-shot-dead-a-girl-on-his-porch-found-guilty-of-murder/Other than to post a baseless insult toward someone who doesn't share your opinion, what makes you say this?
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 13:12:55 GMT -5
I'll ask again. If one is statistically better off being unarmed, why do police carry guns? Police are trained professionals. They have to do annual training and pass vision tests. If they are suspended, or if they might be drunks or drug addicts, they get their weapon taken away from them.
They aren't granny who can't see the side of a barn who has a weapon. Or Don who gets drunk every night and leaves his pistol on the coffee table where his five year old can get it. Or Mitch the meth addict who thinks snakes are in the wall and his neighbor is an alien. They aren't Debbie who got a gun for protection but never took a class, never fired it at a firing range, and who will freeze if ever confronted by an attacker, allowing the attacker to snatch her gun away and kill her with it. Or Hank who gets mad at his wife, loads his pistol and puts it to her head.
If all gun owners were responsible gun owners who did the kind of training and vetting that the police do, I think the statistics would show that gun ownership helped people avoid being injured or killed. Unfortunately, almost any idiot who wants a gun can own one, no matter how blind, mentally impaired, irresponsible or violent they are. Which makes it more likely, especially for women married to violent men with guns, that they'll be injured.
Many police are not "gun people", and this is all the experience they ever have with a firearm. Police manage to shoot themselves as well as unintended targets with alarming regularity. Shall I start posting links? You can find more examples than you care to read with a quick google search. I just don't find it logical that you don't worry about these folks, but are somehow terrified I have a gun.
|
|
Cookies Galore
Senior Associate
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 18:08:13 GMT -5
Posts: 10,892
|
Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 26, 2016 13:21:26 GMT -5
Other than to post a baseless insult toward someone who doesn't share your opinion, what makes you say this? There is a long history of what I perceive to be paranoia of others, it just shows up again here. Just my personal observation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,592
|
Post by happyhoix on Jan 26, 2016 13:22:44 GMT -5
Police are trained professionals. They have to do annual training and pass vision tests. If they are suspended, or if they might be drunks or drug addicts, they get their weapon taken away from them.
They aren't granny who can't see the side of a barn who has a weapon. Or Don who gets drunk every night and leaves his pistol on the coffee table where his five year old can get it. Or Mitch the meth addict who thinks snakes are in the wall and his neighbor is an alien. They aren't Debbie who got a gun for protection but never took a class, never fired it at a firing range, and who will freeze if ever confronted by an attacker, allowing the attacker to snatch her gun away and kill her with it. Or Hank who gets mad at his wife, loads his pistol and puts it to her head.
If all gun owners were responsible gun owners who did the kind of training and vetting that the police do, I think the statistics would show that gun ownership helped people avoid being injured or killed. Unfortunately, almost any idiot who wants a gun can own one, no matter how blind, mentally impaired, irresponsible or violent they are. Which makes it more likely, especially for women married to violent men with guns, that they'll be injured.
Many police are not "gun people", and this is all the experience they ever have with a firearm. Police manage to shoot themselves as well as unintended targets with alarming regularity. Shall I start posting links? You can find more examples than you care to read with a quick google search. I just don't find it logical that you don't worry about these folks, but are somehow terrified I have a gun. I'm aware of all the accidental police shootings - this DESPITE all their training and vetting.
How much worse is it for civilians who don't have to do that training and aren't evaluated for their mental or physical fitness to have a gun, if we have all these police accidents?
Let me make it clear - if you are a responsible gun owner, I have no problem with you owning a gun. I don't know if you are one or not. It's all those people out there who are NOT responsible gun owners that scares me, and I live in the South so I am surrounding with plenty of people who do foolish things with their weapons. We average at least 2 children killed every year in our little county because momma or grandpa kept a loaded weapon in the living room where the kids play. One of my coworkers shot himself through his hand trying to clean his weapon. Lucky he didn't shoot his daughter who was in the room with him. I have a neighbor who likes to fire some big rapid fire weapon from his back deck into the woods behind his house, where neighbor kids like to play. Then there are the rednecks next door who get drunk and party most Saturday nights - I'm 100% more concerned that one of them will fire a weapon through the side of my house into my bedroom when I'm sleeping than I am that some cop will accidentally shoot me because he thinks I'm a criminal.
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 13:23:28 GMT -5
Other than to post a baseless insult toward someone who doesn't share your opinion, what makes you say this? There is a long history of what I perceive to be paranoia of others, it just shows up again here. Just my personal observation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Is it paranoia of they're really out to get ya? Sorry, I couldn't resist.
|
|
Cookies Galore
Senior Associate
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 18:08:13 GMT -5
Posts: 10,892
|
Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 26, 2016 13:24:26 GMT -5
There is a long history of what I perceive to be paranoia of others, it just shows up again here. Just my personal observation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Is it paranoia of they're really out to get ya? Sorry, I couldn't resist. Lol, they're all out to get ya!
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 13:29:03 GMT -5
Many police are not "gun people", and this is all the experience they ever have with a firearm. Police manage to shoot themselves as well as unintended targets with alarming regularity. Shall I start posting links? You can find more examples than you care to read with a quick google search. I just don't find it logical that you don't worry about these folks, but are somehow terrified I have a gun. I'm aware of all the accidental police shootings - this DESPITE all their training and vetting.
How much worse is it for civilians who don't have to do that training and aren't evaluated for their mental or physical fitness to have a gun, if we have all these police accidents?
Let me make it clear - if you are a responsible gun owner, I have no problem with you owning a gun. I don't know if you are one or not. It's all those people out there who are NOT responsible gun owners that scares me, and I live in the South so I am surrounding with plenty of people who do foolish things with their weapons. We average at least 2 children killed every year in our little county because momma or grandpa kept a loaded weapon in the living room where the kids play. One of my coworkers shot himself through his hand trying to clean his weapon. Lucky he didn't shoot his daughter who was in the room with him. I have a neighbor who likes to fire some big rapid fire weapon from his back deck into the woods behind his house, where neighbor kids like to play. Then there are the rednecks next door who get drunk and party most Saturday nights - I'm 100% more concerned that one of them will fire a weapon through the side of my house into my bedroom when I'm sleeping than I am that some cop will accidentally shoot me because he thinks I'm a criminal.
If you'll do a bit of research, you'll find that carry permit holders are, as a whole, the most conscientious, law abiding, and least dangerous group of people available. When my state first passed the law regarding carry permits, I recall all the news heads screaming there will be blood in the streets. Never happened. Years later, they passed a law where these folks could carry inside establishments that served alcohol. "It'll be wild west shootouts in every bar!" was the cry. Didn't happen. These are law abiding citizens with an interest in self preservation. Nothing more.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,592
|
Post by happyhoix on Jan 26, 2016 15:18:05 GMT -5
I'm aware of all the accidental police shootings - this DESPITE all their training and vetting.
How much worse is it for civilians who don't have to do that training and aren't evaluated for their mental or physical fitness to have a gun, if we have all these police accidents?
Let me make it clear - if you are a responsible gun owner, I have no problem with you owning a gun. I don't know if you are one or not. It's all those people out there who are NOT responsible gun owners that scares me, and I live in the South so I am surrounding with plenty of people who do foolish things with their weapons. We average at least 2 children killed every year in our little county because momma or grandpa kept a loaded weapon in the living room where the kids play. One of my coworkers shot himself through his hand trying to clean his weapon. Lucky he didn't shoot his daughter who was in the room with him. I have a neighbor who likes to fire some big rapid fire weapon from his back deck into the woods behind his house, where neighbor kids like to play. Then there are the rednecks next door who get drunk and party most Saturday nights - I'm 100% more concerned that one of them will fire a weapon through the side of my house into my bedroom when I'm sleeping than I am that some cop will accidentally shoot me because he thinks I'm a criminal.
If you'll do a bit of research, you'll find that carry permit holders are, as a whole, the most conscientious, law abiding, and least dangerous group of people available. When my state first passed the law regarding carry permits, I recall all the news heads screaming there will be blood in the streets. Never happened. Years later, they passed a law where these folks could carry inside establishments that served alcohol. "It'll be wild west shootouts in every bar!" was the cry. Didn't happen. These are law abiding citizens with an interest in self preservation. Nothing more. That sounds very nice, on a message board, but I'm telling you, the people where I live are not law abiding citizens with an interest in self preservation. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many accidental deaths, suicides, children shooting other people, gun owners shooting themselves on accident, or mad husbands shooting wives/GF's.
I don't know, maybe I live in the stupidest county in the South. It's a possibility. Or maybe there's a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and you don't want to admit that.
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 15:22:59 GMT -5
If you'll do a bit of research, you'll find that carry permit holders are, as a whole, the most conscientious, law abiding, and least dangerous group of people available. When my state first passed the law regarding carry permits, I recall all the news heads screaming there will be blood in the streets. Never happened. Years later, they passed a law where these folks could carry inside establishments that served alcohol. "It'll be wild west shootouts in every bar!" was the cry. Didn't happen. These are law abiding citizens with an interest in self preservation. Nothing more. That sounds very nice, on a message board, but I'm telling you, the people where I live are not law abiding citizens with an interest in self preservation. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many accidental deaths, suicides, children shooting other people, gun owners shooting themselves on accident, or mad husbands shooting wives/GF's.
I don't know, maybe I live in the stupidest county in the South. It's a possibility. Or maybe there's a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and you don't want to admit that.
I'll freely admit there's no shortage of stupid people, and some of them happen to own guns. To legally carry a gun on your person, at least in my state, you need a valid carry permit. The people who have went through the time, expense, and trouble to acquire these are among the very best folks my state has to offer. There are always exceptions, but not many in this case. You know the media would be an a carry permit holder who screwed up like a duck on a june bug!
The undeniable fact remains, however, that criminals will ALWAYS have guns available.
|
|
|
Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 26, 2016 15:58:14 GMT -5
If you'll do a bit of research, you'll find that carry permit holders are, as a whole, the most conscientious, law abiding, and least dangerous group of people available. When my state first passed the law regarding carry permits, I recall all the news heads screaming there will be blood in the streets. Never happened. Years later, they passed a law where these folks could carry inside establishments that served alcohol. "It'll be wild west shootouts in every bar!" was the cry. Didn't happen. These are law abiding citizens with an interest in self preservation. Nothing more. That sounds very nice, on a message board, but I'm telling you, the people where I live are not law abiding citizens with an interest in self preservation. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many accidental deaths, suicides, children shooting other people, gun owners shooting themselves on accident, or mad husbands shooting wives/GF's.
I don't know, maybe I live in the stupidest county in the South. It's a possibility. Or maybe there's a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and you don't want to admit that.
The problem is that these are not the people who have gotten the guns through legal means. The rest of us jump through the necessary hoops, take the training, practice regularly and don't do the stupid things (like use the laser pointer on a gun as a cat toy). You have stupid people get behind the wheel too.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Oct 13, 2024 13:25:30 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 16:53:39 GMT -5
Actually most of them have gotten them legally.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,592
|
Post by happyhoix on Jan 27, 2016 7:53:38 GMT -5
That sounds very nice, on a message board, but I'm telling you, the people where I live are not law abiding citizens with an interest in self preservation. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many accidental deaths, suicides, children shooting other people, gun owners shooting themselves on accident, or mad husbands shooting wives/GF's.
I don't know, maybe I live in the stupidest county in the South. It's a possibility. Or maybe there's a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and you don't want to admit that.
I'll freely admit there's no shortage of stupid people, and some of them happen to own guns. To legally carry a gun on your person, at least in my state, you need a valid carry permit. The people who have went through the time, expense, and trouble to acquire these are among the very best folks my state has to offer. There are always exceptions, but not many in this case. You know the media would be an a carry permit holder who screwed up like a duck on a june bug!
The undeniable fact remains, however, that criminals will ALWAYS have guns available.
I agree, criminals and stupid people will always have guns.
And what they do with them overshadows what the cops and the well trained, responsible gun owners do with their weapons.
It's kind of like pit bulls. Pit bulls owned by responsible dog owners are well behaved, well adjusted, good family dogs. Unfortunately a lot of stupid people want a pit bull because they want an aggressive attack dog. They abuse them and train them to be mean. You only ever hear about the horrible pit bull attacks in the media - never about the sweet family dog pit bulls - so now everyone is afraid of pit bulls, even the nice, sweet family dogs pit bulls.
Same thing with guns- if stupid people didn't own them and do stupid things with them, if only well trained, responsible people owned guns, very few people would have a problem with guns. The gun isn't bad, just like the pit bull isn't bad - it's just that crazy people and stupid people tend to want to own pit bulls and guns and do stupid things with both of them.
|
|
gregintenn
Senior Member
Resident hillbilly
Joined: Dec 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
Posts: 2,840
|
Post by gregintenn on Jan 27, 2016 8:13:47 GMT -5
I'll freely admit there's no shortage of stupid people, and some of them happen to own guns. To legally carry a gun on your person, at least in my state, you need a valid carry permit. The people who have went through the time, expense, and trouble to acquire these are among the very best folks my state has to offer. There are always exceptions, but not many in this case. You know the media would be an a carry permit holder who screwed up like a duck on a june bug!
The undeniable fact remains, however, that criminals will ALWAYS have guns available.
I agree, criminals and stupid people will always have guns.
And what they do with them overshadows what the cops and the well trained, responsible gun owners do with their weapons.
It's kind of like pit bulls. Pit bulls owned by responsible dog owners are well behaved, well adjusted, good family dogs. Unfortunately a lot of stupid people want a pit bull because they want an aggressive attack dog. They abuse them and train them to be mean. You only ever hear about the horrible pit bull attacks in the media - never about the sweet family dog pit bulls - so now everyone is afraid of pit bulls, even the nice, sweet family dogs pit bulls.
Same thing with guns- if stupid people didn't own them and do stupid things with them, if only well trained, responsible people owned guns, very few people would have a problem with guns. The gun isn't bad, just like the pit bull isn't bad - it's just that crazy people and stupid people tend to want to own pit bulls and guns and do stupid things with both of them.
I agree with your assessment.
We will never be able to idiot proof our country. Every time we try, a bigger idiot pops up. It's just one of life's problems we have to deal with.
|
|
milee
Senior Associate
Joined: Jan 17, 2012 13:20:00 GMT -5
Posts: 12,344
|
Post by milee on Jan 27, 2016 8:59:12 GMT -5
|
|
milee
Senior Associate
Joined: Jan 17, 2012 13:20:00 GMT -5
Posts: 12,344
|
Post by milee on Jan 27, 2016 9:03:15 GMT -5
And thinking more about it, I'm hoping that the people in my concealed weapons permit class didn't represent the best my state had to offer. The couple next to me was so old and frail that they ended up having to halt class to leave and buy a revolver and delaying class by almost an hour because neither of them could rack the slide on the standard, well maintained semi-automatic handgun used for the class, so weren't able to show the basic skill of loading and safe handling. In addition, they both were wearing very thick glasses but still seemed to have trouble seeing. When they mentioned they lived in a condo, all of us turned pale at the thought that one of them is likely to end up accidentally shooting a neighbor through the wall...
|
|
milee
Senior Associate
Joined: Jan 17, 2012 13:20:00 GMT -5
Posts: 12,344
|
Post by milee on Jan 27, 2016 9:19:47 GMT -5
Have no idea how this could happen. It just defies all logic. How could someone possibly make a mistake in trusting their gut and end up shooting a Good Samaritan who tried to help rescue them from being stuck in the snow after a blizzard? Sheesh, the Good Samaritan was even a white guy - shouldn't the shooter have known it was OK if a white guy approached him after a snow storm? www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article56234845.html
(You can tell I'm on hold waiting for one of our vendors and have a few minutes to skim over HuffPo, something I rarely do but it seems oddly appropriate today.)
|
|
Green Eyed Lady
Senior Associate
Look inna eye! Always look inna eye!
Joined: Jan 23, 2012 11:23:55 GMT -5
Posts: 19,629
|
Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jan 27, 2016 9:40:19 GMT -5
The guy was apparently drunk as a skunk and doesn't remember anything about the incident. When police got there, he was passed out cold. I'm guessing that is what impaired his judgment. I have very limited ability to research anything here at work, but I can't find where the shooter was in legal possession of the gun. I can't find where he wasn't either, so I don't know.
|
|
MJ2.0
Senior Associate
Joined: Jul 24, 2014 10:27:09 GMT -5
Posts: 11,049
|
Post by MJ2.0 on Jan 27, 2016 10:12:16 GMT -5
some people....
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,566
|
Post by Tennesseer on Jan 27, 2016 10:35:16 GMT -5
The guy was apparently drunk as a skunk and doesn't remember anything about the incident. When police got there, he was passed out cold. I'm guessing that is what impaired his judgment. I have very limited ability to research anything here at work, but I can't find where the shooter was in legal possession of the gun. I can't find where he wasn't either, so I don't know. GEL- "According to state records, Lee purchased a permit to carry a concealed weapon in May 2012. It expires next year. Records indicate that the Claremont resident’s criminal history up to now consisted only of some driving offenses. Suspect in ‘Good Samaritan’ killing appears in court, held without bond
|
|
Green Eyed Lady
Senior Associate
Look inna eye! Always look inna eye!
Joined: Jan 23, 2012 11:23:55 GMT -5
Posts: 19,629
|
Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jan 27, 2016 10:54:08 GMT -5
Well? I suppose he couldn't be denied since he had no criminal history. Maybe we need breathalyzers on guns.
|
|
|
Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jan 27, 2016 11:15:28 GMT -5
I was just about to type up a post about how I am not totally anti-gun, but I would feel safer if guns were much harder to get and perhaps limited to people in rural areas (who can pass a background check) and need to defend themselves before assistance can arrive. Then I remembered this guy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_David_Smith_killingsI was interested in this case when it happened because I could totally see my former stepdad doing something like this. He thinks he is a very responsible gun owner and carries a gun with him at all times. I am glad my mom divorced him, and I wonder sometimes what he will be like if he ever develops dementia.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Oct 13, 2024 13:25:30 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 13:26:37 GMT -5
Well into my adult life, I thought I was afraid of guns. Then when I bought my own gun and started going to the firing ranges, I learned that I kind of liked shooting at paper targets and hitting the part of the target I was aiming for. And I realized I wasn't really afraid of guns themselves, I was actually afraid of careless people and bad people with guns.
I'd seen many people be careless with guns, with the excuse that it wasn't loaded, or the safety was on, and I know many people have been shot with guns that "didn't" have a bullet in them. In one gun shop, the guy that was showing me guns was handling one and kept pointing it in my direction as he was telling me about it. I asked him to please stop pointing the gun my way. He got kind of irritated and told me it didn't have any bullets in it, his tone implied that a "dummy" was left off the end of the sentence. I told him it's not suppose to have bullets in it, but still don't point it at me. Maybe I was being ridiculous since it was a new gun that was always locked away and only handled by the store's employees or under their supervision, but I didn't really care. That's not the worst thing I've seen though, just one where I really thought he should have respected my concern given the business he was in.
I don't think people should be able to own guns if they're careless or hot tempered, or if they think owning a gun makes them a bad ass that can handle any situation. And that's just the 'normal' people. I also don't want addicts, unstable individuals or people with criminal tendencies to have guns. But those are just my thoughts and wishes, and not the reality of gun ownership in the US.
|
|