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Post by swamp on Jan 25, 2016 15:14:44 GMT -5
No way. Somebody might take it away from you and hit you with it instead. You should never fight back...ever. Just passively accept whatever attack comes your way because fighting back may get you hurt.
Wait... I'll stick with my plan. I want to know where you're going where you find it necessary to draw your gun.
I deal with criminals and I've only had an issue once in 20 years. And it was at the jail, so it was a gun free zone. The CO's had the guy down in seconds.
There was one incident when I was prosecuting where I was approached by someone, chest bumped, and threatened. I laughed at her and walked away.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 25, 2016 15:24:17 GMT -5
I'll stick with my plan. I want to know where you're going where you find it necessary to draw your gun.
I deal with criminals and I've only had an issue once in 20 years. And it was at the jail, so it was a gun free zone. The CO's had the guy down in seconds.
There was one incident when I was prosecuting where I was approached by someone, chest bumped, and threatened. I laughed at her and walked away.
I stated this quite concisely in reply #44 if you really want to know.
I also have fire extinguishers in my home. This doesn't mean I'll be able to defeat a fire if I find one in my home, but it will improve my odds greatly. I don't expect a fire in my home, but like in self defense, I find it good to be prepared.
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Post by swamp on Jan 25, 2016 16:04:24 GMT -5
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 25, 2016 16:08:13 GMT -5
"Frying pans! Who knew?!" Flynn and the horse share a look. from Tangled
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Jan 25, 2016 16:14:13 GMT -5
I keep a golf club under my bed. I think I would have a better chance of using that effectively after being woken from sleep than a gun. Also, at my former job where a previous employee made threats, none of us could do our jobs while staying locked and loaded. I am not anti-gun, but it annoys me when people treat them like a security blanket.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 25, 2016 16:18:32 GMT -5
What are you prying at, exactly?
1)I was riding a 4wheeler on a desolate, country gravel road. I see a pickup parked in the road in front of me. A guy walks to the back of it with a rock over his head looking at me intently. A rock large enough you'd have trouble lifting it over your head. I hit the back brakes with my foot, and before I came to a stop, I unholstered my revolver and pointed it at him. He dropped the rock, got in the truck, and left in a hurry.
2)Walking from a mall back to our car in north Nashville,TN, there were 3 or 4 young black guys following us, and gaining ground. There was no other car remotely close to ours. I put my hand in my pocket, turn around, and they turn around and leave before I could draw.
3)Pumping gas at a station in Huntsville, Al. Late at night, and no one else around, except my wife in the car, and again, several young black gentlemen walking toward me from all directions. Again, I put my hand in my pocket, begin to draw on one of them, and they turn and leave in a hurried fashion before it escalated any further.
Not a word was spoken in any of these instances.
Perhaps I was hasty in my decisions, but in each case, these folks didn't appear to be asking for directions or wanting to discuss the weather.
As these events each happened many years ago, these are about as many details as I can recall.
You're free to tear them apart. If you do, I'd like you to inform me as to the proper way in which I should have handled them.
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Post by swamp on Jan 25, 2016 16:20:20 GMT -5
Those are the details I was looking for. Thank you.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 25, 2016 16:28:08 GMT -5
Those are the details I was looking for. Thank you. In the two instances where there were more than one person, I have no doubt that if they would have rushed me, I would have lost the confrontation. I firmly believe they knew somebody was getting shot if they pursued it any further, and they were correct. I still don't see any way I could have gotten out of it, however. Luckily, the threat of some of them getting shot was evidently enough to discourage whatever plans they had.
If you feel I was out of line on any of these, please feel free to say so. I actually enjoy these discussions and everyone's opinion.
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Post by swamp on Jan 25, 2016 16:34:28 GMT -5
You did what you thought was right. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you did. I wasn't there, and I'm not going to Monday morning quarterback you.
I will give you an example of a few times I've been threated:
Metro in Montreal. Some guy grabbed me by the backpack. I shook free, screamed loud enough to make a scene, and ran.
In DC, walking down a street I probably should not have been on. Not many people around. A few guys started following me. I stopped, turned, and yelled at them to go away. Made a scene. They went away.
In a convenience store in Albany. It became clear that some guys were casing the cashier. Don't know if they were armed. I was with some male friends who are rather large. They told me to leave. I did. They stood by the cashier and glared at the guys, and when one of the guys walked by again, they told him they knew what he was up to and they need to leave. They did.
A woman came up to me in a convenience store and said i better leave her sister alone, then she chest bumped me. I was a prosecutor at the time. I laughed at her and told her if she hits me, she better make it a good shot because it would be the last punch she got in and i would wipe the floor with her ass. Then i walked away. She did nothing.
Maybe i just meet pansy criminals?
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 25, 2016 17:00:42 GMT -5
Those are the details I was looking for. Thank you. In the two instances where there were more than one person, I have no doubt that if they would have rushed me, I would have lost the confrontation. I firmly believe they knew somebody was getting shot if they pursued it any further, and they were correct. I still don't see any way I could have gotten out of it, however. Luckily, the threat of some of them getting shot was evidently enough to discourage whatever plans they had.
If you feel I was out of line on any of these, please feel free to say so. I actually enjoy these discussions and everyone's opinion.
I wouldn't say you were out of line. I wasn't there to see what you saw.
However, you can't prove what those guys might have done. Can't prove something that didn't happen.
I can prove, even though I went to college in a kind of scruffy urban area and was stupid enough to walk around campus at night by myself sometimes, and even though I took trains through Europe with just another female friend, I've never been in a situation that running away or ducking into a building/driving off in a car didn't resolve. I'm 100% certain I haven't needed to carry a weapon so far in my life, because I've never been robbed or attacked.
Not to say there aren't people who have dangerous jobs, or people who live in dangerous areas and who might need to carry a weapon, but I'm willing to bet most of middle class America can get by without having a pistol strapped to our leg at all times.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 25, 2016 17:29:27 GMT -5
In the two instances where there were more than one person, I have no doubt that if they would have rushed me, I would have lost the confrontation. I firmly believe they knew somebody was getting shot if they pursued it any further, and they were correct. I still don't see any way I could have gotten out of it, however. Luckily, the threat of some of them getting shot was evidently enough to discourage whatever plans they had.
If you feel I was out of line on any of these, please feel free to say so. I actually enjoy these discussions and everyone's opinion.
I wouldn't say you were out of line. I wasn't there to see what you saw.
However, you can't prove what those guys might have done. Can't prove something that didn't happen.
I can prove, even though I went to college in a kind of scruffy urban area and was stupid enough to walk around campus at night by myself sometimes, and even though I took trains through Europe with just another female friend, I've never been in a situation that running away or ducking into a building/driving off in a car didn't resolve. I'm 100% certain I haven't needed to carry a weapon so far in my life, because I've never been robbed or attacked.
Not to say there aren't people who have dangerous jobs, or people who live in dangerous areas and who might need to carry a weapon, but I'm willing to bet most of middle class America can get by without having a pistol strapped to our leg at all times.
You're correct. I can't say what any of those people would have done otherwise. I can say in each case I was glad I had some means to protect myself. You are also correct in saying that the vast majority of Americans will never be the victim of a violent crime. As there are violent crimes, however, someone is the victim. I intend to do everything in my power to try and prevent my family and myself from being a statistic.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 25, 2016 17:31:24 GMT -5
You did what you thought was right. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you did. I wasn't there, and I'm not going to Monday morning quarterback you.
I will give you an example of a few times I've been threated:
Metro in Montreal. Some guy grabbed me by the backpack. I shook free, screamed loud enough to make a scene, and ran.
In DC, walking down a street I probably should not have been on. Not many people around. A few guys started following me. I stopped, turned, and yelled at them to go away. Made a scene. They went away.
In a convenience store in Albany. It became clear that some guys were casing the cashier. Don't know if they were armed. I was with some male friends who are rather large. They told me to leave. I did. They stood by the cashier and glared at the guys, and when one of the guys walked by again, they told him they knew what he was up to and they need to leave. They did.
A woman came up to me in a convenience store and said i better leave her sister alone, then she chest bumped me. I was a prosecutor at the time. I laughed at her and told her if she hits me, she better make it a good shot because it would be the last punch she got in and i would wipe the floor with her ass. Then i walked away. She did nothing.
Maybe i just meet pansy criminals?
Maybe I'm a pansy. I'm a fair sized guy, but I don't like my odds in hand to hand combat, especially as I age. My odds are near zero if multiple people are involved. That's all assuming the criminals aren't armed.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 25, 2016 17:33:36 GMT -5
Well, I was day dreaming leaving publix today. Broad daylight, 9 am. I was approached by a young man. My own fault. I'm usually more aware of my surroundings and was dawdling putting the groceries in my car. I was damn lucky I "woke up" before he got too close and jumped in my car and locked the door. Wished like hell my gun had been in the car just in case but he walked away. I totally blame myself for thinking broad daylight and a public parking lot in a good neighborhood was safe. But my real guilt was in not being aware of my surroundings and dawdling while putting away stuff. I learned years ago a woman's most vulnerable time was messing with the kids in the car seats. I put myself in the same situation today. I was just damn lucky it didn't end badly for me. I don't need to get into race because mayhem comes in all colors.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 25, 2016 17:37:57 GMT -5
Well, I was day dreaming leaving publix today. Broad daylight, 9 am. I was approached by a young man. My own fault. I'm usually more aware of my surroundings and was dawdling putting the groceries in my car. I was damn lucky I "woke up" before he got too close and jumped in my car and locked the door. Wished like hell my gun had been in the car just in case but he walked away. I totally blame myself for thinking broad daylight and a public parking lot in a good neighborhood was safe. But my real guilt was in not being aware of my surroundings and dawdling while putting away stuff. I learned years ago a woman's most vulnerable time was messing with the kids in the car seats. I put myself in the same situation today. I was just damn lucky it didn't end badly for me. I don't need to get into race because mayhem comes in all colors. Being aware of my surroundings has no doubt gotten me out of far more trouble than a firearm ever will. Also, I'd like to add the guy in the 4 wheeler incident was a white guy. You're right. Trouble definitely does come in all colors. I unintentionally left that fact out of my earlier post. Although I've yet to be attacked by a female, I did have an old lady threaten to shoot me once. She didn't follow through, but hell, you never know.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 25, 2016 18:00:33 GMT -5
gregintenn I can see in your examples it was good that you were armed. Many of us will never be in that situation thank God. So what's on the menu?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 18:10:56 GMT -5
Well, I was day dreaming leaving publix today. Broad daylight, 9 am. I was approached by a young man. My own fault. I'm usually more aware of my surroundings and was dawdling putting the groceries in my car. I was damn lucky I "woke up" before he got too close and jumped in my car and locked the door. Wished like hell my gun had been in the car just in case but he walked away. I totally blame myself for thinking broad daylight and a public parking lot in a good neighborhood was safe. But my real guilt was in not being aware of my surroundings and dawdling while putting away stuff. I learned years ago a woman's most vulnerable time was messing with the kids in the car seats. I put myself in the same situation today. I was just damn lucky it didn't end badly for me. I don't need to get into race because mayhem comes in all colors. zib, I'm just confused by the description. Did you do something that scared him off?
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 25, 2016 18:35:19 GMT -5
Nope. I jumped in my car and locked the door. I think that when he became aware that I was now aware of him, he went his own way. I was lucky he wasn't armed. I was a sitting duck in my car. I know better. I know to throw my stuff in the car, get in, and drive off. I know this. I also know not to day dream and not pay attention to my surroundings. I forgot and I could have paid for it. Just stupid on my part.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 25, 2016 19:32:47 GMT -5
Nope. I jumped in my car and locked the door. I think that when he became aware that I was now aware of him, he went his own way. I was lucky he wasn't armed. I was a sitting duck in my car. I know better. I know to throw my stuff in the car, get in, and drive off. I know this. I also know not to day dream and not pay attention to my surroundings. I forgot and I could have paid for it. Just stupid on my part. A car is a much more formidable weapon than a firearm if used properly.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 25, 2016 19:55:35 GMT -5
I'll stick with my plan. I want to know where you're going where you find it necessary to draw your gun.
I deal with criminals and I've only had an issue once in 20 years. And it was at the jail, so it was a gun free zone. The CO's had the guy down in seconds.
There was one incident when I was prosecuting where I was approached by someone, chest bumped, and threatened. I laughed at her and walked away.
Ice storm of 1998 in upstate NY. My dad had a cocked rifle sitting next to the door. There had been looting on the street and the generator that was keeping his and his neighbor's house habitable while there was no power was sitting in an open garage between the 2 houses. A truck backed into the driveway, a truck that didn't live on his road. My dad had noted the truck trolling the road and this was about the third trip down it (it's a dead end road that ends at the lake). My dad met the guy at the truck with his rifle. Guy drove away, not a shot was fired but just the appearance of the gun was sufficient for him to realize that he wasn't getting away with stealing the generator.
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Post by violagirl on Jan 25, 2016 21:03:54 GMT -5
I must not live in a very crime filled area or something because some of those incidents seem kind of scary. Although there seems to be more break in type crime than in the past. I think mostly due to drug use, most violent crime is either domestic - ie. you know the perpetrator or drug related. Like if there is a stabbing, unless a domestic, it will be in certain neighbourhoods or on a certain street downtown. 99% of the time.
While I keep my eyes open and walk confidently, I have never encountered anything or anybody unpleasant. Of course, I also don't live in a bad part of town or hang out downtown at 3am.
There was a weird abduction a few years ago. An H&R tax person who was working tax season at a local mall was kidnapped at knifepoint in the parking lot as she left work. Weirdo kept her locked in his basement for like 2 months until she finally escaped and was rescued by a UPS guy. In fact it was such an unusual occurance that the police pretty much thought she must have just taken off on her own.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 25, 2016 21:39:40 GMT -5
Something that was pointed out to me was that robbers look for nice areas to rob because there will be nice stuff and those looking for opportunity will go to a nice area, like I was in today, and look for someone not paying attention, like me. From now on, I'll be smarter and day dream once I'm safely inside the apartment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:55:26 GMT -5
Something that was pointed out to me was that robbers look for nice areas to rob because there will be nice stuff and those looking for opportunity will go to a nice area, like I was in today, and look for someone not paying attention, like me. From now on, I'll be smarter and day dream once I'm safely inside the apartment. That's sad. I know what you mean though because the city I grew up in, work in now, and spend most of my time in has a lot of criminal activity. Even the joy of riding my bike alone on some of the trails in the city got ruined because the criminals realized that people out enjoying the peaceful scenery of the woods and parks were easy pickings. It's a sad way to live, constantly on the alert for danger while you're just trying to live your life and not bother anybody. It doesn't really feel like freedom to me.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 25, 2016 21:55:44 GMT -5
I must not live in a very crime filled area or something because some of those incidents seem kind of scary. Although there seems to be more break in type crime than in the past. I think mostly due to drug use, most violent crime is either domestic - ie. you know the perpetrator or drug related. Like if there is a stabbing, unless a domestic, it will be in certain neighbourhoods or on a certain street downtown. 99% of the time. You don't have to live in a crime filled area. My example was a bad storm that had power knocked out for a few weeks. Otherwise, it is a very safe area.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 26, 2016 8:09:54 GMT -5
Well, I was day dreaming leaving publix today. Broad daylight, 9 am. I was approached by a young man. My own fault. I'm usually more aware of my surroundings and was dawdling putting the groceries in my car. I was damn lucky I "woke up" before he got too close and jumped in my car and locked the door. Wished like hell my gun had been in the car just in case but he walked away. I totally blame myself for thinking broad daylight and a public parking lot in a good neighborhood was safe. But my real guilt was in not being aware of my surroundings and dawdling while putting away stuff. I learned years ago a woman's most vulnerable time was messing with the kids in the car seats. I put myself in the same situation today. I was just damn lucky it didn't end badly for me. I don't need to get into race because mayhem comes in all colors. OK, maybe I had to be there, but I'm not understanding why a young man approaching you in a grocery store parking lot at 9 AM is threatening.
I've had people come up to me in public parking lots before - one person to return something that dropped out of my cart, one person to return my toddler's shoe that fell off, the cart guys who come get my cart from me if they happen to be in the lot (sometimes you see their work uniform, sometimes they're wearing a jacket over it so you don't know right away if they're an employee). It didn't occur to me in any of those incidents that the guy had hostile intentions. And they didn't. Could this guy have had completely innocent intentions?
This reminds me of when my DH came with me on a business trip to Chicago back in the 80's. He was 29, our DS was a baby, and DH wanted to go to a baseball game while I was working. He was standing on the train platform, DS in a swaddle carrier on his chest, holding a big blue diaper bag with kid supplies, and he attempted to walk up to a middle age woman to ask her what train he should get on. The woman looked horrified and ran away from him. He felt bad for frightening her, but there he was, in the middle of the day, on a busy subway platform, carrying both a baby and a big bag - how was that threatening?
This is my problem with stories people tell about how they saved themselves with their guns. I have to wonder if they were actually threatened at all, or just assumed they were threatened but were wrong. Impossible to know for sure.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 26, 2016 8:30:53 GMT -5
A young male does not approach a lone woman in a parking lot just for shits and giggles. I'd rather be safe than sorry. There's a bit more to it but I felt threatened. That's what matters.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 26, 2016 8:45:39 GMT -5
Well, I was day dreaming leaving publix today. Broad daylight, 9 am. I was approached by a young man. My own fault. I'm usually more aware of my surroundings and was dawdling putting the groceries in my car. I was damn lucky I "woke up" before he got too close and jumped in my car and locked the door. Wished like hell my gun had been in the car just in case but he walked away. I totally blame myself for thinking broad daylight and a public parking lot in a good neighborhood was safe. But my real guilt was in not being aware of my surroundings and dawdling while putting away stuff. I learned years ago a woman's most vulnerable time was messing with the kids in the car seats. I put myself in the same situation today. I was just damn lucky it didn't end badly for me. I don't need to get into race because mayhem comes in all colors. OK, maybe I had to be there, but I'm not understanding why a young man approaching you in a grocery store parking lot at 9 AM is threatening.
I've had people come up to me in public parking lots before - one person to return something that dropped out of my cart, one person to return my toddler's shoe that fell off, the cart guys who come get my cart from me if they happen to be in the lot (sometimes you see their work uniform, sometimes they're wearing a jacket over it so you don't know right away if they're an employee). It didn't occur to me in any of those incidents that the guy had hostile intentions. And they didn't. Could this guy have had completely innocent intentions?
This reminds me of when my DH came with me on a business trip to Chicago back in the 80's. He was 29, our DS was a baby, and DH wanted to go to a baseball game while I was working. He was standing on the train platform, DS in a swaddle carrier on his chest, holding a big blue diaper bag with kid supplies, and he attempted to walk up to a middle age woman to ask her what train he should get on. The woman looked horrified and ran away from him. He felt bad for frightening her, but there he was, in the middle of the day, on a busy subway platform, carrying both a baby and a big bag - how was that threatening?
This is my problem with stories people tell about how they saved themselves with their guns. I have to wonder if they were actually threatened at all, or just assumed they were threatened but were wrong. Impossible to know for sure.
You will never know. But I am pretty sure that when someone you don't know backs into your driveway, then guns away (pun intended) when you approach their vehicle with a rifle, they aren't there to ask directions to the highway. My shooting instructor is a strong supporter of that hinky feeling you get when someone is up to no good. He is also a strong supporter of getting the hell out of dodge rather than pulling your firearm, if the option is there. About you husband on the subway platform, you have no idea why she felt threatened. It could have been so simple in that she just lost her child and absolutely nothing to do with your DH, but the infant he was carrying.
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 8:48:06 GMT -5
Well, I was day dreaming leaving publix today. Broad daylight, 9 am. I was approached by a young man. My own fault. I'm usually more aware of my surroundings and was dawdling putting the groceries in my car. I was damn lucky I "woke up" before he got too close and jumped in my car and locked the door. Wished like hell my gun had been in the car just in case but he walked away. I totally blame myself for thinking broad daylight and a public parking lot in a good neighborhood was safe. But my real guilt was in not being aware of my surroundings and dawdling while putting away stuff. I learned years ago a woman's most vulnerable time was messing with the kids in the car seats. I put myself in the same situation today. I was just damn lucky it didn't end badly for me. I don't need to get into race because mayhem comes in all colors. OK, maybe I had to be there, but I'm not understanding why a young man approaching you in a grocery store parking lot at 9 AM is threatening.
I've had people come up to me in public parking lots before - one person to return something that dropped out of my cart, one person to return my toddler's shoe that fell off, the cart guys who come get my cart from me if they happen to be in the lot (sometimes you see their work uniform, sometimes they're wearing a jacket over it so you don't know right away if they're an employee). It didn't occur to me in any of those incidents that the guy had hostile intentions. And they didn't. Could this guy have had completely innocent intentions?
This reminds me of when my DH came with me on a business trip to Chicago back in the 80's. He was 29, our DS was a baby, and DH wanted to go to a baseball game while I was working. He was standing on the train platform, DS in a swaddle carrier on his chest, holding a big blue diaper bag with kid supplies, and he attempted to walk up to a middle age woman to ask her what train he should get on. The woman looked horrified and ran away from him. He felt bad for frightening her, but there he was, in the middle of the day, on a busy subway platform, carrying both a baby and a big bag - how was that threatening?
This is my problem with stories people tell about how they saved themselves with their guns. I have to wonder if they were actually threatened at all, or just assumed they were threatened but were wrong. Impossible to know for sure.
One can gain a good idea of another's intentions by their movements, actions, and general demeanor. This doesn't show up well on an internet forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 8:57:48 GMT -5
This thread is actually very illuminating.
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Post by milee on Jan 26, 2016 8:58:58 GMT -5
OK, maybe I had to be there, but I'm not understanding why a young man approaching you in a grocery store parking lot at 9 AM is threatening.
I've had people come up to me in public parking lots before - one person to return something that dropped out of my cart, one person to return my toddler's shoe that fell off, the cart guys who come get my cart from me if they happen to be in the lot (sometimes you see their work uniform, sometimes they're wearing a jacket over it so you don't know right away if they're an employee). It didn't occur to me in any of those incidents that the guy had hostile intentions. And they didn't. Could this guy have had completely innocent intentions?
This reminds me of when my DH came with me on a business trip to Chicago back in the 80's. He was 29, our DS was a baby, and DH wanted to go to a baseball game while I was working. He was standing on the train platform, DS in a swaddle carrier on his chest, holding a big blue diaper bag with kid supplies, and he attempted to walk up to a middle age woman to ask her what train he should get on. The woman looked horrified and ran away from him. He felt bad for frightening her, but there he was, in the middle of the day, on a busy subway platform, carrying both a baby and a big bag - how was that threatening?
This is my problem with stories people tell about how they saved themselves with their guns. I have to wonder if they were actually threatened at all, or just assumed they were threatened but were wrong. Impossible to know for sure.
One can gain a good idea of another's intentions by their movements, actions, and general demeanor. This doesn't show up well on an internet forum. And by their color, right? Because I'm getting the strong subtext here of you (and possibly Zib with the mysterious "more to the story" comment) being threatened because the people approaching you are minorities.
As for the idea that young men don't approach older women in grocery store parking lots - ridiculous. Young men have approached me to talk in various parking lots and I've yet to be robbed.
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gregintenn
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Post by gregintenn on Jan 26, 2016 9:02:38 GMT -5
One can gain a good idea of another's intentions by their movements, actions, and general demeanor. This doesn't show up well on an internet forum. And by their color, right? Because I'm getting the strong subtext here of you (and possibly Zib with the mysterious "more to the story" comment) being threatened because the people approaching you are minorities.
As for the idea that young men don't approach older women in grocery store parking lots - ridiculous. Young men have approached me to talk in various parking lots and I've yet to be robbed.
LOL! This remark took longer to show up than I expected.
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