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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 17:02:55 GMT -5
For anyone interested this is a pretty good explanation of the Canadian national parties.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 18:13:32 GMT -5
who do you support? Of the other Canadians here, who would you think they support?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 6, 2015 19:58:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, laterbloomer! Good opportunity to learn a bit more about our neighbor to the north. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 20:02:32 GMT -5
I will vote NDP, I'm the left wing nut of the bunch. Weltz probably votes Liberal (she doesn't strike me as the Bloc Quebecois type), Virgil is Progressive Conservative. SL is probably Liberal. It's hard to tell with Apple...I'm thinking PC, it plays out differently out west than here in the east and I just don't see her as a Trudeau supporter. I can't think of other Canadians right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 20:07:55 GMT -5
I will vote NDP, I'm the left wing nut of the bunch. Weltz probably votes Liberal (she doesn't strike me as the Bloc Quebecois type), Virgil is Progressive Conservative. SL is probably Liberal. It's hard to tell with Apple...I'm thinking PC, it plays out differently out west than here in the east and I just don't see her as a Trudeau supporter. I can't think of other Canadians right now. Do you guys stick with the same families too? I thought you were smarter then us.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 6, 2015 20:08:28 GMT -5
If only our campaign season was this short. One can only dream.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 20:13:04 GMT -5
I will vote NDP, I'm the left wing nut of the bunch. Weltz probably votes Liberal (she doesn't strike me as the Bloc Quebecois type), Virgil is Progressive Conservative. SL is probably Liberal. It's hard to tell with Apple...I'm thinking PC, it plays out differently out west than here in the east and I just don't see her as a Trudeau supporter. I can't think of other Canadians right now. Do you guys stick with the same families too? I thought you were smarter then us. Generally we don't, I don't know if we will now. This is the son of Pierre Trudeau who's term as PM ended in 1984. He seemed to be on a different career track and suddenly did a left turn to go into politics. It's kinda odd.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Aug 6, 2015 20:40:14 GMT -5
Not even close - never have been, never will be.
I'm a card-carrying Progressive Conservative - provincially & federally.
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Post by dondub on Aug 6, 2015 22:53:17 GMT -5
Progressive Conservative...finally an oxymoron from north of the border! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 9, 2015 3:29:48 GMT -5
I will vote NDP, I'm the left wing nut of the bunch . Weltz probably votes Liberal (she doesn't strike me as the Bloc Quebecois type), Virgil is Progressive Conservative. SL is probably Liberal. It's hard to tell with Apple...I'm thinking PC, it plays out differently out west than here in the east and I just don't see her as a Trudeau supporter. I can't think of other Canadians right now. Nope. NDP. I'd never vote Bloc. I'd rather vote for the Rhinoceros Party than vote for Harper...and THEY declared war on Belgium.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 9, 2015 7:56:32 GMT -5
I will vote NDP, I'm the left wing nut of the bunch. Weltz probably votes Liberal (she doesn't strike me as the Bloc Quebecois type), Virgil is Progressive Conservative. SL is probably Liberal. It's hard to tell with Apple...I'm thinking PC, it plays out differently out west than here in the east and I just don't see her as a Trudeau supporter. I can't think of other Canadians right now. I don't vote. Who to vote for, anyway? The Conservatives haven't balanced the budget, support the TPP, are gung-ho on sending Canadian troops into the Ukraine and the ISIS quagmire ( thank you, Uncle Sam), and are pushing expansion of federal surveillance powers at every junction, none of which I support. Young Mr. Trudeau is a progressive idealist with zero economic sense (thus, slightly more economic sense than his father, who single-handedly ran up 60% of the gross debt held by Canada today). The Liberals traditionally haven't been that bad as a federal power, but Mr. Trudeau has made it clear he intends to change that. The NDP under Mr. Mulcair? It's a crapshoot. The NDP brought some stability to Saskatchewan under Romanow, but destroyed Ontario under Rae. "Brain drain" (as it applies to professionals flocking out of NDP-led provinces into non-NDP-led ones) was practically invented by the party. I give them as much chance of balancing a budget as Jack Layton rising from the dead as a zombie. Fiscal discipline was traditionally the bulwark of the Conservatives and Liberals, but they've failed miserably at the task in recent years as well. The Greens? If they were focused on any environmental issues besides carbon and climate change, they might get my hypothetical vote. The Bloc? Mama! Regarde! Un dinosaure vivant! My guess is a narrow NDP minority with the Conservatives in opposition. At this point, that's as good as any other outcome.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Aug 9, 2015 9:40:26 GMT -5
I was going to mention the other day, that Justin Trudeau's father {Pierre Elliot Trudeau) was the person who sent Canada into a downward spiral a long time ago.
He has to rank right up there as one of the WORST prime ministers we ever had.
It all started with his forced bilingualism - among other things he screwed up royally in this land.
He was like a tyrant dictator and we still haven't recovered from his reign..
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 9, 2015 11:15:54 GMT -5
Wow! Thank you, laterbloomer, for starting this thread! It's really great to read different poster's feelings on political matters in Canada. The US is so darned insular (read as "head up its own arse" unless it involves starting a war with brown folks) it's difficult to get a clear understanding of another country's "works". I'm really enjoying this opportunity and hope all you Canooks will continue to participate! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2015 13:27:44 GMT -5
I will vote NDP, I'm the left wing nut of the bunch. Weltz probably votes Liberal (she doesn't strike me as the Bloc Quebecois type), Virgil is Progressive Conservative. SL is probably Liberal. It's hard to tell with Apple...I'm thinking PC, it plays out differently out west than here in the east and I just don't see her as a Trudeau supporter. I can't think of other Canadians right now. Do you guys stick with the same families too? I thought you were smarter then us. give us a break. i think this is an accident of history. prior to W, it had not happened since FDR.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2015 14:00:13 GMT -5
"anyone other than Harper" gets my vote, if i were there. that man is an ass.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 9, 2015 15:16:23 GMT -5
"anyone other than Harper" gets my vote, if i were there. that man is an ass. How so?
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Post by Jaguar on Aug 9, 2015 15:31:09 GMT -5
I'm tired of Harper, unsure of Trudeau so I'll probably vote NDP in this Federal Election. I switch around, I've never been a one party person.
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Post by mroped on Aug 9, 2015 15:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2015 16:27:53 GMT -5
"anyone other than Harper" gets my vote, if i were there. that man is an ass. How so? in the ways he reminds me of Bush, of course, which are too extensive to mention here.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 9, 2015 16:51:13 GMT -5
in the ways he reminds me of Bush, of course, which are too extensive to mention here. You realize that our involvement in the Ukraine was due to a request by the present (Obama) administration, our involvement in fighting ISIS is due to a request by the Obama administration, our involvement in the TPP was due to a request by the Obama administration, our ramping up the surveillance machine was due in large part to repeated criticisms by the Obama administration that Canada is a vector for terrorism, our economic policies have mirrored those of the US Treasury Dept. and the Fed under (no surprises here) the Obama administration. Pres. Bush was a lousy President, but he hasn't led the US for seven years now, and he was a lame duck for two years before that. Time to get into the present, my friend. As many others have pointed out, your obsession with Pres. Bush is a liability. You're missing the bigger (ongoing) picture. To address your specific criticism of P.M. Harper, his Bushishness boils down to him being too accepting of US requests. Many Canadians (especially in Quebec) agree with you. It's unfortunate that the US federal government has gone so far off the rails that acting as a US ally is increasingly contrary to the interests of Canadians.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Aug 9, 2015 16:55:17 GMT -5
Bring Jean Cretien back! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) Pull him out of wherever he is, retirement home or grave! As long as he still keeps his lips crooked when he speaks, then you are good to go. Oh, Puleeeze ! He was equally as bad for the country as P.E.T. was. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2015 16:56:49 GMT -5
in the ways he reminds me of Bush, of course, which are too extensive to mention here. You realize that our involvement in the Ukraine was due to a request by the present (Obama) administration, our involvement in fighting ISIS is due to a request by the Obama administration, our involvement in the TPP was due to a request by the Obama administration, our ramping up the surveillance machine was due in large part to repeated criticisms by the Obama administration that Canada is a vector for terrorism, our economic policies have mirrored those of the US Treasury Dept. and the Fed under (no surprises here) the Obama administration. Pres. Bush was a lousy President, but he hasn't led the US for seven years now, and he was a lame duck for two years before that. Time to get into the present, my friend. As many others have pointed out, your obsession with Pres. Bush is a liability. You're missing the bigger (ongoing) picture. To address your specific criticism of P.M. Harper, his Bushishness boils down to him being too accepting of US requests. Many Canadians (especially in Quebec) agree with you. It's unfortunate that the US federal government has gone so far off the rails that acting as a US ally is increasingly contrary to the interests of Canadians. Obama also resembles Bush CONSIDERABLY. in fact, i believe you will recall that i have said that he is virtually IDENTICAL in terms of foreign policy. that does not absolve your Prime Minister, however. cozying up to the US is a CHOICE, not a necessity.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2015 19:24:53 GMT -5
I'm tired of Harper, unsure of Trudeau so I'll probably vote NDP in this Federal Election. I switch around, I've never been a one party person. Have you ever been a one party person? just curious: do you actually read posts you reply to?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 11, 2015 19:30:40 GMT -5
I can't testify to all of them. Of the first fifteen, 1, 4, 11, 13, and 14 are non-issues blown up to ridiculous proportions by the opposition. Especially the Mike Duffy "scandal". That one is just pathetic. 7, 8, 9, 10 don't involve P.M. Harper. They involve Conservative MPs, and are amassed over 159 MPs for 6 years. 2 and 15 I've never heard of, hence can't comment on. 3, 5, 6, and 12 are genuinely worrisome, and one of the main reasons broader support for the PCs is waning. Browsing through the rest, I'm seeing a lot of redundancy, a lot of non-issues. There's some truth in there, but the analysis is obviously hit or miss. And again, they've got hundreds of MPs over a decade of PC rule to choose from. Filter the 70 down to 10, and make them count.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 11, 2015 20:32:00 GMT -5
I can't testify to all of them. Of the first fifteen, 1, 4, 11, 13, and 14 are non-issues blown up to ridiculous proportions by the opposition. Especially the Mike Duffy "scandal". That one is just pathetic. 7, 8, 9, 10 don't involve P.M. Harper. They involve Conservative MPs, and are amassed over 159 MPs for 6 years. 2 and 15 I've never heard of, hence can't comment on. 3, 5, 6, and 12 are genuinely worrisome, and one of the main reasons broader support for the PCs is waning. Browsing through the rest, I'm seeing a lot of redundancy, a lot of non-issues. There's some truth in there, but the analysis is obviously hit or miss. And again, they've got hundreds of MPs over a decade of PC rule to choose from. Filter the 70 down to 10, and make them count. love this reply, Virgil! thanks!
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 12, 2015 8:23:09 GMT -5
So which party, or person is going to take care of the Canadian Indian's desire to be made whole again from the transgressions of the English and French and are treated as Negroes are in the U.S.A.?
I only bring this up because some posters from Canada continue to point out how bad we are south of the border here in race relations, as if Canada is lilly white in race relations.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 12, 2015 9:20:15 GMT -5
So which party, or person is going to take care of the Canadian Indian's desire to be made whole again from the transgressions of the English and French and are treated as Negroes are in the U.S.A.? I only bring this up because some posters from Canada continue to point out how bad we are south of the border here in race relations, as if Canada is lilly white in race relations. The PC term is "First Nations" (FN) People. Many FN people live in squalor on reservations under the supervision of fantastically corrupt tribal chiefs and tribal councils. Circa 2015, the only way Canada's warriors for social justice will let any government deal with them is through the tried-and-guaranteed-to-fail five point strategy: - Throw more money at the problem, which invariably goes to the corrupt tribal leadership who do nothing but service their own interests with it.
- Pay lip service to the deplorable conditions on the reservations in Parliament. Also to the cultural treasure constituted by Canada's First Nations, and our need to preserve it.
- Negotiate with legions of angry, often violent, FN protesters as they block major commerce routes, bridges, highways, etc., which is no small part of why many Canadians resent them.
- Shoot down any and all attempts at cultural assimilation that might lead to integration with broader society, which is now labeled as "cultural genocide".
- See no evil; hear no evil; speak no evil. Especially when it comes to the root cause of the racism, which categorically originates from repeated offenses perpetrated by FN individuals against non-FN Canadians that the non-FNs generalize to all FN people. Examples in the invective of my friends/family include accidental fires burning down rural townships, attempted rape, rampant alcoholism, abuses of Canada's equivalent of Affirmative Action, racist and misogynistic attitudes, worksite disasters, trespassing, overfishing, and random drunk crazy people.
Dysfunctional FN reserves in Canada are miniature versions of Ferguson. The people can't help themselves. Nobody else has any idea how to help them. "Handling" them consists of keeping them segregated (consistent with their declared wishes, I might add), throwing money at their leaders, and preventing them from disrupting commerce. Which party is responsible for this strategy? All of them. It's been the same for 40+ years now, though governments of every colour and stripe. Which party will continue with this strategy? All of them. Cutting off the flow of funds is unthinkable. Cultural assimilation is unthinkable. Dismantling the reservations, handing the residents cheques, and giving them a year to find houses and jobs in the same pool as the rest of us is unthinkable. Community action projects don't work. "Give back to your community" initiatives for the successful individuals who escape the cycle of poverty have proven effective but are relatively rare. The only option left is the guaranteed-to-fail five-point strategy, and you can bet it will be the go-to strategy for many a decade yet. The main difference between FN conflicts and US black/white conflicts would be the scale. Even relative to our population, FN issues affect far fewer Canadians per capita than the black/white conflict in the US. I daresay the vast majority of Canadians will never interact with on-reservation FN people. The conflicts are largely manifest in a handful of towns and cities. The city of Winnipeg is the biggest, and worst (conflict-wise).
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Aug 12, 2015 11:34:25 GMT -5
I don't vote. Who to vote for, anyway? The Conservatives haven't balanced the budget, support the TPP, are gung-ho on sending Canadian troops into the Ukraine and the ISIS quagmire (thank you, Uncle Sam), and are pushing expansion of federal surveillance powers at every junction, none of which I support. Young Mr. Trudeau is a progressive idealist with zero economic sense (thus, slightly more economic sense than his father, who single-handedly ran up 60% of the gross debt held by Canada today). The Liberals traditionally haven't been that bad as a federal power, but Mr. Trudeau has made it clear he intends to change that. The NDP under Mr. Mulcair? It's a crapshoot. The NDP brought some stability to Saskatchewan under Romanow, but destroyed Ontario under Rae. "Brain drain" (as it applies to professionals flocking out of NDP-led provinces into non-NDP-led ones) was practically invented by the party. I give them as much chance of balancing a budget as Jack Layton rising from the dead as a zombie. Fiscal discipline was traditionally the bulwark of the Conservatives and Liberals, but they've failed miserably at the task in recent years as well. The Greens? If they were focused on any environmental issues besides carbon and climate change, they might get my hypothetical vote. The Bloc? Mama! Regarde! Un dinosaure vivant! My guess is a narrow NDP minority with the Conservatives in opposition. At this point, that's as good as any other outcome. You gotta vote for PM Harper, just like last time Virg. The budget is technically balanced as we are projected to run a surplus this year. Now, I know this won't come to fruition most likely, however, this isn't the PM fault as he has essentially zero control over the price of oil - nor does he have much control over the global economy. The PM was the reason that the TPP didn't go through as he wasn't about to allow full access to our Dairy, and I know you know that regardless of who is in power the TPP talks are going to continue. Who do you want in there someone who has proven that he is looking out for Canada's best interests on the global stage or.....? War: the liberals sent us into Afghanistan. PM Harper brought our men and women home. To say that is gung-ho on sending troops into the Ukraine and the ISIS quagmire is an embellishment. He wants to support the Ukraine because there is a massive Ukrainian population in Canada, especially in his home province. As far as the ISIS situation... This war is going global.... So there again regardless of who is in power we are looking at a growing surveillance issue. Again, who do you want in power for what comes next? The NDP in Saskatchewan: as someone who was born, raised, and continues to live and raise their family here, I can assure you that the NDP did nothing to help the Saskatchewan economy. It was Brad Wall and the Saskatchewan Party that brought stability to this province and put it on the map over the last 6-7 years. The NDP drove people out of this province for years, there is a reason that for the longest time the Riders had as much support in Calgary and Edmonton as the Stamps and Eskis had. As far as the NDP nationally goes, they have already been found to be misappropriating funds! You got to do what's right for you Virg. But I think it's pretty clear where my vote is. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 12, 2015 11:35:29 GMT -5
^^^ This. (Virgil's post)
How much more money are we supposed to throw at them? We give them millions and millions. The chiefs pocket the money while the residents on the reservations live in squalor with no running water. When we ask for an accounting of the money we're told "None of your business."
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